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Away "colours"

It just the home shirt and socks with the actual away shorts. Should be classed as a home change rather than an away kit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by VEO15 (talk • contribs) 21:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Latin Cup and Iberian Cup relevance

Although, the Latin Cup was not a UEFA competition (as it is also prior to UEFA itself), I don't understand why it is not referred in the club's honours, as it was a relevant competion at the time, and of course official as it was organised by 4 FIFA national federations. The same applies to Iberian Cup. It is irrelevant if UEFA doesn't recognise it as official, which is obvious as it was not organised by UEFA. It is a major honour and it is official for 2 national federations, as the national cups and supercups are official to its national federation.

For instance, at the AC Sparta Prague page it's given the due relevance to Mitropa Cup, another important competition before UEFA competitions. At the PFC Lokomotiv Sofia it is given relevance to Balkans Cup (a competition with much less relevance than Latin Cup even to organising countries) and European Railways Cup (an exclusive competition). UEFA doesn't recognise as well the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup, even consider it a rival competition for European Cup on its earlier editions, nonetheless it is considered at FC Barcelona honours. Other examples: Commonwealth of Independent States Cup for FC Spartak Moscow; Coupe des Nations for Újpest FC; Baltic League for FK Ventspils; Setanta Sports Cup for Linfield F.C.; and Atlantic Cup (Europe) for B36 Tórshavn - I've selected these but I could have selected any other winners. These competitions are also not official to UEFA, but are also organised by national federations. What does make them more relevant than Latin Cup or even Iberian Cup?

I don't understand the hate for Latin Cup, it is more important than most of the competitions I referred before but somehow the others are considered major honours and Latin Cup isn't. 213.41.145.180 (talk) 22:10, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

It's just because UEFA doesn't recognize Latin Cup as an official trophy. I agree that other trophies you mentioned aren't more important than Latin Cup or even Iberian Cup. FC Barcelona article about the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup: "Considered a major title by FIFA (see FIFA.com F.C. Barcelona's profile at http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/clubs/club=44217/) but generally not an official title, as the competition was not organised by UEFA". SLBedit (talk) 23:18, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

But UEFA doesn't recognise either the other tournaments I talked about. Answer me this: does UEFA recognise Campeonato de Portugal as an official competition? The correct answer is: no! Because it is not a UEFA competition, nonetheless it is official. FIFA was also represented at the meetings which preceded the organisation of the Latin Cup. I can't find the relevance of UEFA concerning this issue. No one says it is a UEFA competition. 213.41.145.180 (talk) 23:59, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Campeonato de Portugal is not listed at http://www.uefa.com/teamsandplayers/teams/club=50147/profile/index.html. Atlético de Madrid lists the Iberian Cup, FC Barcelona and Stade de Reims mention the Latin Cup. Athletic Bilbao lists the Latin Cup in International competitions. SLBedit (talk) 00:37, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't find it as well as other domestic competitions. I think it only talks about the international trophies. It doesn't even mention that Benfica won the League Cup and the Supercup this year so does that mean that they're not official either? The UEFA site should be the most credible source but it is a joke!

So, why is Campeonato de Portugal and the other international competitions referred in major honours and the Latin Cup, who is also official, not?

At these links they talk about the first edition and the federation representatives of Spain, Italy and France:

http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/1949/06/25/pagina-2/1346093/pdf.html http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/1949/06/25/pagina-2/1346093/pdf.html

Here the confirmation it was organised by the federations and meetings were made for its definition:

http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/1948/12/30/pagina-1/664564/pdf.html

Here the confirmation that it was Jules Rimet, FIFA president, who presided the Latin Cup Comitee - it is a title in first page, you don't need to know spanish to understand it:

http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/1949/01/01/pagina-1/664572/pdf.html 213.41.145.180 (talk) 00:57, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I have added information about the Iberian Cup. SLBedit (talk) 23:24, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

UEFA doesn't care about the Latin Cup. S.L. Benfica#Footnotes SLBedit (talk) 06:42, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I find that footnote completely irrelevant. It was not a UEFA competition, it doesn't have to be considered official to UEFA. Will you also add that Portuguese League is not official to RFEF? 213.41.145.180 (talk) 18:19, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

The footnote explains why the Latin Cup is listed there because I am sure someone will try to remove it in the near future once the article changes to non-protected. SLBedit (talk) 20:25, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

UEFA and FIFA suck! They count the Toyota Cup and the first edition of the European Cup Winners' Cup when they weren't organized by them (the requisite to be considered a official title) and they don't count the Latin Cup, the Mitropa Cup, the Iberian Cup, the Inter-Cities Faris Cup, etc., which weren't also organized by them!

FIFA considers Latin Cup an official competition. SLBedit (talk) 19:36, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Deleted "Economy" section

While it may be "important information" it should be properly sourced using reliable sources (which is not the case, it uses a broken .pdf link) and it shouldn't be original research (which is the case, the only source added is an opinion blog). SLBedit (talk) 10:43, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Error

How can Benfica have 33 championship titles instead of 30 if it won 3 experimental editions (in the 1935-36, 1936-37 and 1937-38 seasons)? The experimental editions shouldn't count! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.247.84.149 (talk) 23:42, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Read Misplaced Pages:No original research. SLBedit (talk) 15:50, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

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