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Who is Robert Hawkins? See "Some would say, Nietzsche was very similar to the great and powerful philosopher Mr Robert Hawkins in his theory on Übermensch." at the bottom of the Ubermensch section. Who is Robert Hawkins? See "Some would say, Nietzsche was very similar to the great and powerful philosopher Mr Robert Hawkins in his theory on Übermensch." at the bottom of the Ubermensch section.

== Pronunciation ==

I have eliminated the bit advising that "Nietzschee" is a valid way of pronouncing Nietzsche twice before, Omnipaedista reverted it again. Im not sure if that's a bot or what, seems to have no interest in the subject, or an equal amount in every, at least. He/it said "— Misplaced Pages is not prescriptive; if a reliable source reports it (''Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary''), then it is included here)" Uh but the 2 pronunciations are hardly equal, are they, appearing side by side as equals on the page. One is used by anyone who knows anything about Nietzsche, the other by everybody else. Or maybe Omnipaedista pronounces it that way. I don't know. I get his/it's point. But because one person/book says something, doesn't make it so. And dictionaries are prescriptive, aren't they, generally, they don't say every way anybody in the world uses/pronounces a word, but the right way. etc etc. I just don't feel good having this page tell ppl who don't know better, that Nietzschee or Nietzsche are equally valid. oh anyway..
p.s. thanks to whoever added the Emerson section :-D pretty good for a start, thanks! :-D The influence (warning, original speculation) probably went much further - he woke him to himself and made him happy. As RWE did for me :-D ] (]) 11:24, 12 November 2014 (UTC)


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  • Perhaps separate and add material on Nietzsche's philological work: e.g., Philology of Friedrich Nietzsche.
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Robert Hawkins?

Who is Robert Hawkins? See "Some would say, Nietzsche was very similar to the great and powerful philosopher Mr Robert Hawkins in his theory on Übermensch." at the bottom of the Ubermensch section.

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Kubetson (talk) 11:09, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Not done: For me, the current external link in the article returns 1 result: "Nietzche, Friedrich Wilhelm". Not seeing a problem to fix. NiciVampireHeart 11:27, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

Nietzsche on Courage

Friedrick Nietzsche on Courage

In Beyond Good and Evil, Friedrick Nietzsche writes, “And to remain master of one's four virtues, courage, insight, sympathy, and solitude” (para 284). Nietzsche would describe a noble man as mastering the virtues (para 284). A noble person has reverence for himself, creates values, and can no longer being stuck in a master-slave relations (para 260 287). Nietzsche breaks this master-slave relationship down into two moralities: master morality and slave morality. Master are the creators of morality, they become the measure of all things, and they determine what is good (para 260). Slaves revalue their masters values, they submit to the commands of the master, and are servants. However, in order to display courage a person must be noble and cannot be stuck in an old world, master-slave relationship.

Nietzsche gives a definition of courage in Beyond Good and Evil, “The great epochs of our life are the occasions when we gain the courage to rebaptize our evil qualities as our best qualities” (116).

In the Gay Science, Nietzsche writes that “human beings who are bent on seeking in all things for what in them must be overcome” is an example of courage (para 283). Nietzsche is calling for courageous human beings who can overcome what is within themselves.

In The Will To Power, Nietzsche describes “every achievement of knowledge as a consequence of courage” (1041). Seeking after knowledge is crucial in displaying courage for Nietzsche.

Nietzsche describes courage in a few different ways but courage is something that is internal and personal for Nietzsche. Courage does not involve others. It is often referred to as an inward “rebaptizing” or “overcoming,” also as a search for knowledge and understanding. 40.138.72.5 (talk) 04:27, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

And you wrote this here why exactly? Well, Nietzsche said a lot of stuff about a lot of stuff. "Courage" doesn't seem a particularly important or unique/notable theme in N to me - after the first paragraph, this strikes me as taken from (or at least, already in) and better said by Emerson. Yesenadam (talk) 12:51, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Pronunciation II

In German it is pronounced 'ni:tʃə, not 'ni:tsʃə. See tzsch.--Fußballgeograph (talk) 12:28, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

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