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Hi, thanks for you edits last year to pages about Maryam, Daud etc.

Please note that in Misplaced Pages, there is a difference between disambiguation pages and articles about names. The first are just a form of index, not articles, so it is not appropriate to include much background information there. MOS:DABNAME sets out some differences between these types of pages. I hope this is helpful.

Ramadan mubarak, and happy editing! - Fayenatic (talk) 08:32, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Copying within Misplaced Pages (Islam in India)

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January 2012

Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Misplaced Pages, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Jesus in Islam, did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Firstly, those changes have been disputed, so if you wish to change the naming used in the article, please discuss it on the Talk page first and get a consensus. Also, a blanker "find and replace" breaks a number of links, because the name occurs in those too -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:37, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, 'find and replace" was not used by me, I have tried to make broken links and supported some one's right intentions as I feel. If you feel those name change is still disputed, we may support these on talk page to represent Wiki better by all.--Md iet (talk) 05:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi. OK, maybe you made the changes one at a time then, but some of the links really were still broken. But such a large scale change, away from the names most usually used in the English speaking world (this is the English language Misplaced Pages, after all), would need a discussion and consensus on the Talk page first. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:36, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Dear Boing!, Very well, this is an English language Misplaced Pages, but "Maryam" is a personal Noun(which don't affected by language, name is after all a name) used by Millions of readers who also read English language Misplaced Pages and you can't neglect them in their specific article if you talk of international Misplaced Pages. Just think over again!--Md iet (talk) 12:00, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I'm just saying that you would need to discuss it on the Talk page first and get a consensus. If you do that, and the community supports you, that will be fine -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:02, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding the point, first tell me do you convinced with my argument and what is your reaction as genuine reader?--Md iet (talk) 05:38, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Discussion points at Talk:Dawoodi Bohra

Greetings, I've posted a few discussion points at Talk:Dawoodi Bohra to help us figure out how to improve the article. I'd appreciate your dropping by to provide input on how to move forward. I've also finally added a few long-overdue footnotes to the article, and have noted that there are plenty of materials on GoogleBooks covering the DBs, so really no excuse not to footnote this article while we're improving it. Looking forward to hearing from you on the Talk page. MatthewVanitas (talk) 16:01, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Your perspective would be valued

Hi there. I would appreciate it if you could visit Talk:Muhammad. The article, Muhammad, has changed in a significant way since it originally passed WP:GA several years ago. It now states in the opening paragraph that Mohammad is the Founder of Islam and has relegated to a note at the end of the article that Muslims, themselves don't believe this. I have started a discussion on the talk page concerning this and would value your input. Thanks so much. Veritycheck (talk) 21:46, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Muhammad

Do you realise you are ignoring a lengthy discussion on the article's talk page about this? The wording I put in was discussed at length and received the most support of any proposal. I suggest you self-revert and go to the talk page to discuss it. DeCausa (talk) 10:39, 5 July 2012 (UTC) I think there is no clear consensus reached on talk page for the matter you have added. We can't edit for the matter having different meaning then of cited reference please.--Md iet (talk) 12:28, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

First of all this is the version that has most support in the talk discussion. You have put in edits that either have NO support (your last two edits) ot has LESS support (your first edit). Secondly, if you had read the talk page carefully, you would have seen the difference between "Non-Muslims" and "generally" was discussed. "Generally" is an accurate summary of the source because it is counterbalanced by the statement that muslims don't accept it. You did not participate in the talk page discussion. The correct way for you to proceed is to open up a new thread and to put forward your proposal. If you continue to put in edits which have not been first discussed on the talk page that will be disruptive and edit-warring. DeCausa (talk) 05:46, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Reply on Your comment for RMs.

Hi, Md iet i have seen you agreement on RMs. I would be glad if you ask more and more peoples to participate in it that have Knowledge of Islam. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 08:36, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Moving disambiguation pages

I have re-created the page Nuh (name), and made a split between it and Nuh the disambiguation page, according to the guidance at MOS:DABNAME.

Please would you stop doing what you have recently done to Nuh, Maryam and Ishak? These were longstanding disambiguation pages, i.e. giving the alternative meanings that might have been intended by a link to them. Sometimes editors agreed that there is a primary topic, see WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, in which case the simple page name can be redirected to the article on that topic, and the disambiguation index can be moved to a name like Abraham (disambiguation).

Unfortunately you have made changes that were wrong in a few ways: (i) you decided that there was a primary topic, without discussion. (ii) You copied and pasted the content of pages to new or different pages. If a move had been agreed, the page should have been moved in order to keep the previous versions in the page history. See WP:MOVE. (iii) You have created pages with (name) in the title, but mixed up entries that are not about human names; see MOS:DABNAME.

I hope this is helpful. Let me know if it is confusing. – Fayenatic London 10:07, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

OK, Agreed, Thanks, You are very much right. We are proposing request move at various Islamic prophet pages where there is obvious justification of having primary topic on their Islamic name. Only thing is we have to formerly agree and decide action as you have cited for Abraham (disambiguation). Hope everybody will think rational and make Wiki really a better platform of information for all.--Md iet (talk) 04:58, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Mass moves

You seem not to understand why people objected to mass moves at Talk:Abraham in Islam#Requested move, Talk:Abraham in Islam##Requested Redirects, related to above, and Talk:Ibrahim (disambiguation)#Requested move.

People may support some of what you want to achieve, but still object to how you try to make it happen.

The point is simple. The case should be made individually for articles.--Toddy1 (talk) 21:25, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, i have just made a template Template:'Isa and had placed it at Jesus in Islam but was reverted can you look into the template and restore the template on the article. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 12:04, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

I guess i was a bit late to show up as the talk at Nuh has been closed but you can ask for me in any other discussion in the future. --Ibrahim ebi (talk) 14:36, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

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Move discussion

Hi, I'm responding to your message at Talk:Nuh.

To reiterate the maths: in the case of Ibrahim, total traffic to other meanings was less than half the traffic to the disambiguation page; therefore, a primary meaning was demonstrated for that one. In the case of Nuh, the total traffic to other meanings was large compared to the views of the disambiguation page, so the statistics did not demonstrate a primary meaning. None of your other arguments proved that there was a primary meaning either.

Please think about the points made on the page WP:FLOG, which is a reference to the expression "flogging a dead horse".

On your user page, you helpfully admit that you are not an expert in English. I sometimes have difficulty understanding your arguments, and suspect that other editors do too. Please understand that I do not mean any offence, but perhaps your contributions might be more useful on other Wikipedias in languages in which you are more fluent.

If you participate in any Muslim message boards, perhaps you could also help by encouraging some learned Muslims who are fluent in English to improve the articles in English Misplaced Pages about Islamic topics, using reliable sources. Kind regards – Fayenatic London 13:25, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind reply and advice,

I am participating in English Wiki not due to any language/religious criteria but my interest is that English Wiki being most popular having vast variety of topics and material in it, maximum people should benefit from it. In other languages number of topic are very limited and English is now becoming general language for network communication. Muslims have vast majority of population everywhere and they have started reading/understanding English. For their further upliftment and arousing interest Islam topics need proper identification so that they start taking interest in English wiki and know about world as general further.

I am sorry to all that you have problem in understanding me, but you all are here to help me make the further things to happen.

Regarding "Nuh" I understand that maths is not same as of "Ibrahim" else I could have put the same logic as I have given for "Ibrahim", but here the logic which you have narrated to make redirect of "Ibrahim" to "Abraham" rather than "Abraham in Islam' is important. There are many Christian also who know Prophet as 'Nuh' rather than 'Noah' and this makes total population who know that "Nuh" is prophet manifold than any other person by same name. This justifies ‘Nuh’ for prime topic rather than mathematical traffic figures. I am not flogging a dead horse but flogging a cause please.--Md iet (talk) 10:59, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Please can you advise

Is this person notable according to WP:BIO? – Fayenatic London 21:42, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Seems to be district level religious/political figure of Pakistan, having viewer traffic of about 300/month, may be counted as notable if this qualification fits Wiki standard.--Md iet (talk) 07:39, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

As he was a member of the Punjab Assembly he is notable. I have added information about him from a reliable source and deleted some of the uncited promotional stuff. The creator of the article appears to be a Misplaced Pages:Single-purpose account. Thanks for bringing this article to my attention. I have proposed the poster for deletion at Misplaced Pages:Files for deletion/2013 March 21--Toddy1 (talk) 09:03, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Good work! I'm glad you noticed this. – Fayenatic London 14:13, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Ruqayya Mashhad and copyright

Thank you all for the work you put into this article, and for your very valuable photographs of this important religious site. I did however want to point out that when we use a reference source such as ArchNet.org, we have to be very careful. We must not copy the text and just change the wording a little bit here and there in each sentence. That is not enough change to make the wording acceptable for WIkipedia. Instead we need to read the source text several times until we completely understand it, or until we understand most of it, or at least some of it, and then we must put the source aside, and rewrite the information in our own words as best as we can. This is certainly not easy, but it is possible. As it stands the text in the article is not acceptable for Misplaced Pages. I may have to cut out a lot of the text, but I wanted to give you a chance to completely rewrite it before I do that. Of course the same thing applies to any article that uses text from ArchNet.org or any other similar site. Thank you. 21:06, 5 June 2013 (UTC)Invertzoo (talk)

Your info and photos are now to be found at Mashhad of Sayyida Ruqayya. I tried to rewrite some of the info taken from ArchNet, but I was not able to understand all the architectural details. Invertzoo (talk) 21:10, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

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Requested moves

Your requested moves are incorrectly formulated. Please use

==Requested move==

{{subst:RMtalk|destination of page you're proposing to move|reason for moving it}}

Because right now, your requests appear to want to move the disambiguation page on top of "X in Islam" to replace the article with a disambiguation page. You should be entering "X (disambiguation)" into the template as that's what your request rationale says.

-- 65.94.79.6 (talk) 01:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Husayn ibn Ali article

Dear editor, There is a discussion going on here. Given your past contribution in the article, it would be nice of you to attend.--Kazemita1 (talk) 14:16, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Stampede Comment

As i stated on the previous editors talk page, no that is not justification to delete the sentence from Mohammed Burhanuddin. I can understand if his followers find it embarrassing that people died as a result of a stampede at his funeral. However, it has every right to be included, as it was widely reported in the news.Fotoriety (talk) 04:46, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

You asked me to discuss before my edit. Well i tell you i don't need to discuss with you or anyone else to include a highly reported event that occurred at the funeral of Mr Burhanuddin. If my edit affects your sensitivities because you are a follower of this man then that is unfortunate, but doesn't warrant your removal of information. If you revert your edit then i will request that senior editors block you from committing your reversion.Fotoriety (talk) 08:57, 30 January 2014 (UTC) Please give your comments on Talk page of the concerned topic.--Md iet (talk) 09:42, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

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Mufaddal is still a claimant the video does not contain any audible utterance as he was suffering from stroke

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Dear Summichum, Thanks for your kind advice. Please don't try to become administrator and remain within your rights. It is on 12th Feb 2014 you joined and it seems you have joined Wiki to create misunderstanding, partisan and to propagate and support this special propaganda. You are such a well wisher of Wiki where were you till then.

Regarding POV on claimant, there can be discussion and we may try to reach consensus, but restrain from removing material which is true and well sourced. All the written above is applicable to you first.--Md iet (talk) 04:37, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Mufaddal Saifuddin Article

• Since You have created and edited many Article I Kindly request you to Clean and Regularize this Article to Misplaced Pages Standards.Your Expertise in this matter is mostly required. Mufaddalqn (talk) 10:10, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Per Mufaddalqn, you should stick to this article. It has become battlefield. Crisco 1492 retreated from this page, and so it got harder. OccultZone (Talk) 10:17, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I would try my best to uphold the neutrality of Misplaced Pages, I request all editor to restrain from doing unwanted revisions. Neutral point of view and factual well reported matter of both side to be presented in best encyclopedic manner.

Please don't add Syedna title to Muffadal or Qutbuddin and write such matter which implicate that Wiki has endorsed any one. We can write about the factual views quoting the sources and groups as being done. If we can discuss matter regarding any specific information on talk page and have consensus before making correction, it would be nothing like it.--Md iet (talk) 12:02, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

• I have attempted to clear the article from citation overkill and other irregularities. I hope it is ok with you.if there is any thing I can do please let me know. further I think Mohammed Burhanuddin too should be reorganized.Mufaddalqn (talk) 07:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you for your support and guidance.Mufaddalqn (talk) 07:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

File:Appointed successor Dai syedi Muffadal BS saifuddin along side Dai Burhanuddin.pdf listed for deletion

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March 2014

Please do not remove maintenance templates from pages on Misplaced Pages, as you did to Mufaddal Saifuddin, without resolving the problem that the template refers to, or giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your removal of this template does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. I would like you to provide reliable sources for the alleged 22 June 2011 nass, and to explain the provenance of the jpg you have uploaded. Do you understand my requests? Sam Sailor 04:47, 12 March 2014 (UTC) I would surely try to, I have removed the template with understanding that I have complied the requirement, let me again check please. Anyway Thanks for advice, I would be better more careful next time.--Md iet (talk) 05:21, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I was concentrating on London instance and forgot to countercheck Mumbai ceremony inclusion, anyway it is now corrected, may pl. check again.--Md iet (talk) 09:58, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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Amirul Hajj

I have created the page for Amirul Hajj which has been cited to speedy deletion. I would like to know your view on the subject.Mufaddalqn (talk) 06:59, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

This is a statutory post having religious importance, held by various country vide dignitaries, justified for inclusion pl.--Md iet (talk) 06:33, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Sincere request for Qutbi Bohra article.

Hello Md Iet,

We both know the artcile is a hoax based on false allegations with misleading references.

You have edited the artcile at the begining :

https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Qutbi_Bohra&oldid=594319673

All the reference given are from discussion based on Progressive Bohra group. It is forcefully linked with new claimed Qutbi bohra , Please don’t include the matter without any specific proof

Can you please help me to act properly. I do not think this kind of fake article does any credit to a sincere Mufaddal Saifuddin's follower like you.

Best regards, Ftutocdg (talk) 19:59, 19 March 2014 (UTC) Thanks, for trusting on me. Let me clear, I am a Fatimid follower and I also do not think that new claimed Qutbi Bohra does any credit to anybody. On the basis of support of so called Qutbi Bohra, one party is claiming numbers on follower list, same time they don’t want to officially attach with Qutbi Bohra name to get advantage from Dawoodi Bohra, mainly control on properties. One can’t have ‘ laddus’ in both hands. Either they should be with Dawoodi Bohra+ follow legitimate Fatimid principles + have faith of mass Dawoodi Bohra+ get respect+ improve the system with due consensus OR be on your own+ call whatever you want with minor support+ get support of outsider like so called Qutbi Bohra (Progressive Bohra, who wants to take advantage, require leader for the name sake but no principals, rules of their own) and enjoy with property what you have. No body should tarnish the image of Fatimid culture. It is impossible to get the keys of properties of mass Dawoodi Bohra till you have their support. Sorry, I have given my personal POV, please don’t take it otherwise, truth will prevail.--Md iet (talk) 05:05, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

• The notices I deleted from here, have been read/acted upon by me and are not important.--Md iet (talk) 10:34, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Good work MD iet

After all, Summichum is blocked for two weeks. But after two weeks he will start putting wrong information again. We both can request admins to block him indefinitely.

Thanks for the support.

It is not me, it is because of support of all wiki lovers.--Md iet (talk) 05:14, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

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for moula mufaddal

hey please convince admins to put this photo in infobox..

here is the link : http://zeninfosys.net/zen/sites/default/files/styles/akhbar-popup/public/photos/akhbar/huzurala-tus/2012-11/17954/09-11-2012-250765-dsc0273.jpg?itok=kpaJYfdr — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.70.181.86 (talk) 17:34, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thanks for your support in SPI against me. but sadly I was blocked even when I had not done any sock puppetry. nevertheless thanks to youRukn950 (talk) 07:56, 20 May 2014 (UTC) Yeah you and me are blocked for no reason. They blocked my ID for indefinite time for SP for Rukn950. this really sucks.--122.168.217.189 (talk) 02:31, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, It is not a support to you but it is support for a healthy system of Wiki. In implementation of rules there can be some over judgment, but there are editors who can give their comments and there is group of admin which they can always relook at decision. I still feels that Rukn950 intentions are pro wiki, on rules we are beginner and good faith/fact editing is not allowing our conscience to allow nuisance being done on Wiki, but we have to remain within rules. This may be coincidence that Rukn950 and 122.168.217.189 editing could be matching and gave a impression of SP. There is nothing to be sad, rules are made for discipline and we have to honor it. Regarding 122.168.217.189, who is indefinitely blocked, I have suggestion that you put up your explanation desiring and pledging for honoring Wiki rules, Admin will definitely consider your case. Then give your identification name and contribute positively.--Md iet (talk) 03:08, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

My IP is not blocked , but my ID (Mark*****) is blocked indefinetely. I applied for unblock request, but they said you have to wait for 6 months according to our policy.--122.168.217.189 (talk) 04:53, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

What is your user ID, may I know?--Md iet (talk) 05:03, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Markdrows is my ID. But what will you do?--182.70.152.207 (talk) 11:21, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Markdrows, In the sock puppet matter I feel that you are clean. Please look at and similar editing by you in Wiki is not acceptable. Sorry for lecturing you, but this is public platform and feelings and anger to be restricted to a acceptable genuine limit here. This is free and fare encyclopedic platform, every genuine published information has its right to be presented here whether it is true or false. Good faith editing may also work here till you have full confidence of its trueness, and good intentions but there should not be any even minor genuine opposition. Then there will be third party and consensus is required. Reader will decide what is wrong or right and facts will surface one day, nobody can deny it. Your block seems to be a cumulative effects of your previous edits. One specific/mischievous editors committed to enforce his POV is trying to get involve genuine/good faith editors in his trap. Wiki follows rules and if you want to work with it you have to honor it first. we have to be polite/ disciplined/ and have to follow rules even to fight false presented in encyclopedic manner. There is nothing wrong in having particular POV, as all human being have his own, but there can be clash in POV and all pov is to presented here, becoming NPOV. I can not do much accept declaring you as clean of sock pupating, but you can all accept your past behavior openly, there can be mistakes from anybody, but there should be acceptance and desire to improve. Pledge for behaving in Wikepedian manner, Wiki admin will do best possible for you. Sorry again, and thanks for believing me.--Md iet (talk) 06:46, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

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Summary of 53rd Syedna succession controversy (Dawoodi Bohra)

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A "neutral" summary of 53rd Syedna succession controversy (Dawoodi Bohra) obviously cannot use mumineen.org factual statements, given its headline

"Bohras adhere to the Shia Fatimi tradition of Islam, headed by the 53rd Dai al-Mutlaq, Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS."

This is clearly a partisan website. I reverted your edit as I consider it a violation of WP:NPOV. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 10:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I find your revert, removing the Hindustan Times source in favor of a twisted representation of other sources, highly disruptive. Thanking me for introducing a neutral point of view and then undoing it only makes this worse. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 08:44, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, Dear Qwertyus, that was due to over sight, copy paste mistake. Detailed reply given there.--Md iet (talk) 10:27, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Please stop pushing your POV on Mohammed Burhanuddin#Succession controversy. As I've indicated before, I don't really care what you find important; I care what reliable third-party sources find important. You keep adding the phrase "Court proceedings indicates numbers of succession pronouncements", where the source only describes the lawyer of one party announcing to produce evidence of such pronouncements. Also, you've still not provided proof of this diary entry being important in any way, except it being announced as important by one side in the conflict. Since neither the veracity nor the importance of the diary entry is established by reliable sources (as you indicate in your own edits, which restore sources marked with {{verify credibility}}), it doesn't belong on the page (yet). My main quarrel is not with the readability of your edits, but with their verifiability and neutrality.

I suggest we resolve this issue on 53rd Syedna succession controversy (Dawoodi Bohra) and its talk page, instead of going into an edit war. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 10:18, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Ok, but the reader should be made aware of the important documetary information available in the relavent article please.--Md iet (talk) 10:26, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Then establish its importance. There has to have been some more recent coverage of the court case. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 10:27, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

The content of document itself speak about it's importance. Source 'describes the lawyer of one party announcing to produce evidence of such pronouncements' with even mention of all the specific years. These all are part of court proceeding hence the sentence "The court proceeding indicates numbers of succession pronouncements' is a well sourced statement. Only details of 1969 case is from the source affilated with one party hence we may call it from primary source. We may doubt on story but copy of 'written document' presented is a written proof from primary source and as per WP:WPNOTRS it claims space in the related article. --Md iet (talk) 10:53, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure which document specifically you're referring to, but your reading of WP:PRIMARY is off. It explicitly states (and this is policy): "Unless restricted by another policy, reliable primary sources may be used in Misplaced Pages; but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them", adding in a footnote, "Any exceptional claim would require exceptional sources." Given the existing dispute over 53rd Syedna succession controversy (Dawoodi Bohra) I say that both the veracity and the importance of the diary entry represent exceptional claims.

Of course, the statement that one side of the dispute has produced a document that they say is a diary entry by the late Syedna etc. is not an exceptional claim; I see no reason to doubt the reporting on that. But then WP:UNDUE comes into play: in what is supposed to be a short summary of a dispute, you shouldn't present one side's arguments but not the other's, and when you go into detail on both sides, it's no longer a summary. The fact that the other page is under dispute means you have to be extra careful.

Let me ask you a question: what exactly is wrong, in your opinion, with the summary of the dispute that is currently displayed at Mohammed Burhanuddin#Succession? In my reading, these are the key points of that section:

1. the Syedna appointed his son successor and the Dahwoodi Bohra community agreed;
2. Khuzaima Qutbuddin and a group of believers did not agree;
3. the late Syedna's son won the support of a majority.

Is this an accurate, neutral, well-sourced summary? Are these not the key points of what should be on the controversy article? If not, why not? QVVERTYVS (hm?) 19:22, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Please read WP:WPNOTRS: 'Primary sources are often difficult to use appropriately. While they can be both reliable and useful in certain situations, they must be used with caution in order to avoid original research. While specific facts may be taken from primary sources, secondary sources that present the same material are preferred. Large blocks of material based purely on primary sources should be avoided. All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, rather than original analysis of the primary-source material by Misplaced Pages editors.'

This policy allows for: 'specific facts may be taken from primary sources'. In the present case specific fact is a 'written document a dairy entry (which itself clarify all the doubts)'. Hence as per WP:WPNOTRS this source can be used.

The key points mentioned above are definitely key points, but still some key points remain hidden,which are very important as the article is on Burhanuddin. Hence summary is incomplete, some 'specific facts' related with subject Burhanuddin are hidden. The present ‘succession’ summary give message: 1. After stroke , Burhanuddin appointed Mufaddal in 2011 and community agreed. 2. After Burhanuddin’s demise mufaddal took office in 2014. 3. This challenged by Khuzaima who claims being appointed 50 years earlier.

This summary is not correct and not complete as per sources.

1.The appointment declaration of 2011 was not first decl;aration after stroke, but a public reconfirmation of earlier appointment, which was originally first made in 1969. This is clearly indicated in the court case proceedings : “That pronouncement was made in 1969, 1994 and 2005 and only reconfirmation was done in 2011”.

2. Obviously Mufaddal took office after Burhanuddin’sdemise in 2014, but

3. The challenge was made by Khuzaima in 2014 and not before . This fact remain hidden as timing is very important.

Hence the present summary not depicting the full information available in various reliable sources.

Regarding your objection of presenting only arguments of one side, it is right. We may summarise the sentence further. But this is article of Burhanuddin and the all the action done by him on succession need full coverage , but definitely in NPOV manner considering the dispute raised.--Md iet (talk) 06:38, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

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explanation

Kindly explain why you reverted my edits i Mohammed burhanuddin article?Rukn950 (talk) 08:45, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry Dear, it was a mistake due to oversight, corrected.--Md iet (talk) 10:29, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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This is your only warning; if you vandalize Misplaced Pages again, as you did at 53rd Syedna succession controversy (Dawoodi Bohra), you may be blocked from editing without further notice. As I've explained to you time and time again, your addition of mumineen.org, a partisan website, as a factual source in articles regarding a controversial topic is a gross violation of WP:NPOV, and your misrepresenting of neutral sources to make a point is not acceptable. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 15:04, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Please refer ], the inclusion of factual information from primary source is well justified. Source 'mumineen.org' is well authorised website representing 'fatemi dawat' the primary source of Dawoodi Bohra main section headed by Mufaddal. Being a article/section marked itself as 'controversy', the fact reporting from primary source is very much required to make open all the facts, specially when there is only one 'written document, a dairy record" is available, of the very critical religious case of very very high importance. Removal of this factual information of primary source is not at all correct and the above warning is applicable to you.

Hope fellow editors agree with my above justification, may please comment,--Md iet (talk) 04:25, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hello Md iet. I've been reviewing the 3RR report as an admin to decide what action to take. Your recent edit here describing the old leader as being 'under recovery' (in Misplaced Pages's voice) looks to be a partisan edit which is advocating for one side of the dispute. It also seems to be unjustified by sources since the two sources only assert that one of the factions is claiming a recovery. Since the submitted diffs seem to be a pattern of edit warring it is possible you may be blocked. You may be able to avoid a block if you will agree to take a break from editing all articles related to Dawoodi Bohra for one month. Let me know if you agree. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 21:04, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind considerations EdJohnston, may please study following sequence of actions:

-1.My edit of 25th Aug refered by you

-2.the subject edit corrected by User:Qwertyus in a Wiki manner on 26 th Aug

-3.my concusive edition of 26 th aug

I suppose you may have noticed my intentions in above three steps:

- 1.My first edit of 25th Aug, was in respose of false statement of 'full stroke' (in Wiki's voice) which looks to be purely a partisan view. I tried to correct it to my best of knowledge, but as you pointed out it was still some what partisan.

- 2.My this mistake was corrected by User:Qwertyus on 26th in the second step, and I am thankful for him.

- 3.In my conclusive edition on 26th I have not tempered his genuine edition and only corrected the objectionable portion.

Now you can decide whether this diffs is a 3RR case? In my opinion certainly not.

You are admin, and can very well decide what action to take. I again thanks you for giving me a consideration. As a big fan of Wiki, I agree for whatever decision Wiki suggest.--Md iet (talk) 04:02, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

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EdJohnston, Thanks for hearing my above appeal in last para and deciding favourably. I feel that I am blocked for on the reasons of my reverts of last complain of user Dear Qw, and further recommendations of Dear Anup. I accept of my fault of too aggressive while facing unjust, but please don't blame for violating Wiki rules knowingly, which is a unjust for Wiki fan like me.May Please have a look at my following analysis:

Diffs of the my reverts in sequence

1.10:01, 23 July 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 617429012 by Qwertyus (talk) unjustified removal. Rather removing please make it important information readable.":

Undo was done on 23 rd July as earlier deletion by User:Qwertyus was done without proper explanation on 18th July. The inclusion of material from primary source(even further marked as unreliable source?] to not to mis guide viewer) was done( This matter was properly discussed in talk page at where User:Qwertyus himself was involved, and the matter further sustained there till 20th Aug (, when a particular editor user:summichum has intensely removed it, without proper reasoning.)

(All the material including well sourced material was immediately deleted again by User:Qwertyus within 4 minutes (second deletion 2RR) .)

2.10:15, 23 July 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 618101779 by Qwertyus (talk) revised , may please discuss at talk page before further removal.":

I reinstated material, with request for discussion before further removal, ( but all the material again deleted within 2 min.)

3.07:17, 24 July 2014 (UTC) "Undid revision 618103062 by Qwertyus (talk)":

I reinstated the material on 24 th Aug with due revision deleting matter of dairy (which User:Qwertyus had some reservations) and requested for discussion at talk page before further removal.

All the three steps above are well justified as:

1. My first revision (23 rd July,10:01)was well discussed at talk page.

2. Second revision (23rd July, 10:15) was also well justified as deletion by User:Qwertyus was done within 2 mins of my inclusion without any further explanation or discussion 23rd july, 10:03.

User:Qwertyus has not restrained himself, even after after my request for discussion he has again deleted the matter third time, within 4 mins a clear 3RR

3.My third step is also justified as I restrained myself after two immediate deletion of User:Qwertyus I did not do third revision, I valued User:Qwertyus reservations on inclusion of primary source, deleted matter of dairy part, and done the third revision which sustained till 20th Aug, when User:Qwertyus has again deleted the remaining well sourced material also a 4RR case. My above explanation proves that I was not at all of any fault three reverts noted in July by User:Qwertyus in a previous 3RR complaint. This does not prove allegation that I ‘continues to make edits that are questionable under our sourcing rules so long as they favor his particular faction’ .

In the present complaint , comment that ‘this diff it sounds like Md iet is acting as a lawyer for one of the parties’ seems a bit aggressive , everybody has right to have his own POV, only thing is in Wiki rules are to be followed first. My justification at are within wiki rules and I cannot be blamed or blocked for that.

For the comment : ‘When regular editors need to spend this much time undoing his changes it is evidence of a pattern of disruption’ I am really sorry that I had that impression, but I assure that after this controversy , I had a big lesson that why inline citation is important, and why Wiki made it’s rules so strict. Wiki is just a free and fair self correcting encyclopedia , which anybody can trust, but there are elements which can misutilise it. Hence so many rules.

Earlier my thought was that you place best and true information available on Wiki, and people will automatically add proper sources whenever it is available. This is not so true for controversial cases. Now I am treating all the cases as cotraversial and started editing accordingly. Mr. Anup, you will not find the case, you noticed earlier. I repeat, please don't blame me any further for violating Wiki rules knowingly, which is a unjust and a big insult for Wiki fan like me.

My problem is I can not accept that editor like user: summichum force their POV and make Wiki a platform to launch his agenda to openly marginalised complete Shia community(pl.see).

I am no one to be here for breaking Wiki rules, and my above lengthy explanation proves it. I least bother about Block, but more worried about Wiki reputation, may please cooperate.Md iet (talk) 13:42, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

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::Thanks for your kind information. I have tried to abide by Wiki regulations and my intentions will be to further take care.--Md iet (talk) 07:26, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

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I have expressed my limitations and conditions prevailing, to act in this manner at talk page . This was not done with intention to disharmonise Wiki activity, only to avoid Wiki to be used a platform for propaganda by some wasted interest. I feel that I was very aggressive/impassion, and that has caused the above situation. I also agree that being DB, I have natural tilt toward DB and that has to be aggressively controlled while editing, and till consensus is reached I have to restrain myself . Even though things are very true, but may not looked true in Misplaced Pages manner. I have taken support in this regard from both User:Qwertyus and User: Anupmehra, and also appreciated their efforts in this regard. When my friend Anupmehra is not supporting me, whom I had faith, I am further compelled of advice of EdJohnston on 'concentrate on your own behaviour and don't blame others for the situation, and now understood that although my intentions were right, but it should also look right to others, and my aggressive nature has made all the differences. I have strong apology for my aggressive behaviour to Wiki team, whom I have discouraged unknowingly. I promise all, for further strict control on my actions and voluntarily would not do any editing on DB related pages and will only put comments on related talk pages, till User:EdJohnston himself don't recommend it for DB editing, even after my this ban is cleared. I have decided not to use my any rights, I accept User:EdJohnston decision with full respect.

I feel that WIki system shall take care of further selective partisan activities if being done. It is my humble request to my fellow editors of taking care of aggressive editing done by a single fellow , and restrict the activity by making those article controlled, up to date where fair consensus prevailed.--Md iet (talk) 04:45, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

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User talk:EdJohnston, Sorry, my understanding was that general remarks are allowed. I will take special care, and will not mention even DB in short. Thanks for your advice.--Md iet (talk) 07:09, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks, as per your advice I have undone the matter. Further request to involve, if you find something really wrong done against Wiki principles by someone.--Md iet (talk) 06:36, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

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December 2014

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Nomination of Moulai Hasan Fir for deletion

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Thanks md, for your support at the page.Qazxcv1234 (talk) 14:31, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

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