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| The close of the recent ANI discussion and are instructive. In the end there was "'''No community consensus'''" for sanctions of any kind. Despite the length and scope of the discussion, as the community saw it, no case was made that there was any justification and the repeated requests for specific diffs to support the claims never materialized. While I do recognize that I need to take great care in dealing with Magnolia677, I am firm in stating my good faith beliefs that the original article he created at ] did not meet the standards of ] and that my actions in turning a single-source article for ] into a redirect were justified by policy, were made in good faith and were entirely appropriate. I'm sure that Magnolia677 also feels that his actions were equally appropriate, but his repeated forays to ANI to argue over the matter and his doth protesting way too much only undermined his case. It takes two to tango, and we both did a lot of dancing, both of us. Your snide final edit here seems to indicate that you still believe that my "allies have so far managed to muddy the waters and waylay the discussion", as if there were some coordinated conspiracy to muddy or waylay. I don't know and have never interacted with most of these editors, and I certainly did not ask or approach any editor to participate in the discussion. I believe that those who disagreed with you did so on the basis of a sheer lack of adequate justification. As I stated, I will do my best to work with Magnolia677 and all other editors and assume that they are acting in good faith; and I hope that he will reciprocate. I hope that, going forward, you too will offer me that same assumption of good faith. ] (]) 16:06, 22 December 2014 (UTC) | The close of the recent ANI discussion and are instructive. In the end there was "'''No community consensus'''" for sanctions of any kind. Despite the length and scope of the discussion, as the community saw it, no case was made that there was any justification and the repeated requests for specific diffs to support the claims never materialized. While I do recognize that I need to take great care in dealing with Magnolia677, I am firm in stating my good faith beliefs that the original article he created at ] did not meet the standards of ] and that my actions in turning a single-source article for ] into a redirect were justified by policy, were made in good faith and were entirely appropriate. I'm sure that Magnolia677 also feels that his actions were equally appropriate, but his repeated forays to ANI to argue over the matter and his doth protesting way too much only undermined his case. It takes two to tango, and we both did a lot of dancing, both of us. Your snide final edit here seems to indicate that you still believe that my "allies have so far managed to muddy the waters and waylay the discussion", as if there were some coordinated conspiracy to muddy or waylay. I don't know and have never interacted with most of these editors, and I certainly did not ask or approach any editor to participate in the discussion. I believe that those who disagreed with you did so on the basis of a sheer lack of adequate justification. As I stated, I will do my best to work with Magnolia677 and all other editors and assume that they are acting in good faith; and I hope that he will reciprocate. I hope that, going forward, you too will offer me that same assumption of good faith. ] (]) 16:06, 22 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| If you continue to follow me around to every bit of business I attend to on this Misplaced Pages, and if you insist on targeting me with threats in the way that you are doing now, I will have action taken against you. I hope you are aware that this kind of conduct is not good, and that it is quite clear that you are acting highly inappropriately. I will have action taken. There is no justification for your current behaviour. ] — ] 23:59, 22 December 2014 (UTC) | |||
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If you have time, could you please comment there? – Epicgenius (talk) 23:25, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
Thersea Caputo
This morning, I googled Theresa Caputo b/c I was interested in learning more about her.
The first link I clicked was Misplaced Pages b/c I assumed it would provide the most accurate information.
What I found was a "well-documented" one-sided, negative entry.
Scanning the talk page, I came across the observation made by Cesca1910:
"This entry needs more balance."
Next, I read your response to Cesca1910.
BMK, why are you so angry?
I'm having trouble reconciling your response with your your succinct WikiPhilosophy:
"Every edit should either improve the factual accuracy of Misplaced Pages or make it easier and more useful for the reader. Any edit which does not serve these goals is a waste of time and energy, and quite possibly counterproductive."
just one ad man's opinion.— Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Luckiestmaninadvertising (talk • contribs) October 27, 2014
- I see no such commentary on that talk page. Perhaps you are referring to another? --‖ Ebyabe - State of the Union ‖ 16:10, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- Oh, were you referring to Talk:Theresa Caputo? I don't see what you are referring to there, either. --‖ Ebyabe - Union of Opposites ‖ 16:13, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- "Ad men" and other PR people working for subjects of Misplaced Pages articles are not welcome here, since the very last thing you are looking for is a balanced and accurate article. BMK (talk) 22:44, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
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I need advice! I would like to add some information about Richard Dreyfuss (actor). I personally witnessed him take membership in the Masonic Lodge and Scottish Rite. I would like to add this information to his biography.
AND- I personally witnessed him announce the creation of the "Dreyfuss Initiative", which is a program to assist public schools in improving education in civics and constitutional studies. See http://www.thedreyfussinitiative.org/
answer at cemab4y@hotmail.com Cemab4y (talk) 19:42, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- You cannot add anything to the encyclopedia which is not supported by a citation from a reliable source. Your own experiences can act as a guide as to what to look for, but they are not a reliable source. BMK (talk) 04:50, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Regarding Gramercy Park
Re. this diff, it is a redundant subheader, as the main header only contains the subheader's text so it is redundant. Also, to clarify, I can generally write better than I can do technical edits, so can you please stop insinuating that I can't speak English very well?
Additionally, why did you remove the demographics, with source, from the infobox? Epicgenius (talk) 11:30, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- My evaluation of your editing ability is based on my many observations of your editing, and stands as written: your technical edits are, generally speaking, useful, but your ability to write, format layouts and edit text are not up to the standards required by a general-purpose encyclopedia aimed at adults. I know that you want to help the project as much as possible, so I suggest you limit your editing to your strengths.
- I was not aware that I removed sourced demographic material from the infobox - it must have occurred in the confusion inherent in your mixing useful technical changes with other more dubious edits. Feel free to re-add them. BMK (talk) 18:25, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for replying. I'll add the demographics back soon. As for the prose and layout editing, I'll try to work on that. Epicgenius (talk) 18:58, 16 November 2014 (UTC)
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Gramercy Park / Sunnyside Park
Hi. You recently removed my recent edit. I would like to invite you to discuss a better reference. Thanks. 67.247.21.108 (talk) 15:40, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- It's still a blog, and therefore not a reliable source, per WP:SPS. Please do not restore the claim without a citation from a source that is at least as reliable as the NY Times, which supports the claim currently in the article. BMK (talk) 19:27, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
- Another editor found a more recent NYT citation that supports it, so the article is now updated. BMK (talk) 19:41, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
December 2014
Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on User talk:DangerousPanda. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. This edit was totally unnecessary and completely unprovoked. Msnicki (talk) 08:07, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
- That comment was a summation of another editor's behavior, based on long-term observation. It did not speculate on why the editor behaves in that manner, and therefore was not a "personal attack" in any way shape or form. It was combined with my analysis of how editors who exhibit that behavior should be dealt with, which is also not personal in nature, but a question of Misplaced Pages systematics. As such, your warning is unwarranted. BMK (talk) 21:24, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
- You're wrong. It was an ad hominem means of dismissing or discrediting NE Ent's arguments with irrelevant slurs on his behavior. Nowhere in WP:NPA does it say it's only a personal attack if you speculate on his motives. I've noticed your defense of DP and claims that he really hasn't done anything terribly wrong, I look at this and I look at your block log and I suspect the reason you don't see anything wrong with DP's behavior or with your own is because you honestly don't understand what constitutes a personal attack or that arguments to the person are never acceptable. You don't believe me? Go ask for an opinion of the post I questioned at Misplaced Pages talk:No personal attacks and see what they say. Msnicki (talk) 03:10, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- Actually, it was not an ad hominem because it was not aimed at NE Ent personally, but at every free-riding editor, as is abundantly clear and obvious to anyone with sufficient reading comprehension skills. The energies of free-riding editors need to be re-directed towards editing the encyclopedia, and their access to non-editing areas needs to be controlled and curtailed. You are correct, however, that the aim of my comment was to "dismiss" Ent's complaint, since I don't believe it is to Misplaced Pages's advantage to allow free-riding editors such as he the standing to file complaints against contributing editors, and for that reason it should be dismissed out of hand. (It's another matter altogether that the evidence presented isn't sufficient to support any sanction against Dangerous Panda more onerous than a mild rebuke. The weakness and paucity of the evidence is a strong indication that the complaint is, in fact, not looking for a balanced and just result, but a witch hunt striving for the worst available punishment.)
In any case, your "warning" to me is noted and ignored as inappropriate and inaccurate. Since I have no further interest in your opinions on this matter (or, I suspect, in most other matters), please don't bother to post here again. Any further posts from you will be deleted unread. Thanks. BMK (talk) 04:09, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- Actually, it was not an ad hominem because it was not aimed at NE Ent personally, but at every free-riding editor, as is abundantly clear and obvious to anyone with sufficient reading comprehension skills. The energies of free-riding editors need to be re-directed towards editing the encyclopedia, and their access to non-editing areas needs to be controlled and curtailed. You are correct, however, that the aim of my comment was to "dismiss" Ent's complaint, since I don't believe it is to Misplaced Pages's advantage to allow free-riding editors such as he the standing to file complaints against contributing editors, and for that reason it should be dismissed out of hand. (It's another matter altogether that the evidence presented isn't sufficient to support any sanction against Dangerous Panda more onerous than a mild rebuke. The weakness and paucity of the evidence is a strong indication that the complaint is, in fact, not looking for a balanced and just result, but a witch hunt striving for the worst available punishment.)
- You're wrong. It was an ad hominem means of dismissing or discrediting NE Ent's arguments with irrelevant slurs on his behavior. Nowhere in WP:NPA does it say it's only a personal attack if you speculate on his motives. I've noticed your defense of DP and claims that he really hasn't done anything terribly wrong, I look at this and I look at your block log and I suspect the reason you don't see anything wrong with DP's behavior or with your own is because you honestly don't understand what constitutes a personal attack or that arguments to the person are never acceptable. You don't believe me? Go ask for an opinion of the post I questioned at Misplaced Pages talk:No personal attacks and see what they say. Msnicki (talk) 03:10, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
DP Workshop
Workshop phase is closed, you might want to revert that and comment on talk instead. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 02:33, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry, didn't notice the closing date. I'll just revert. Thanks. BMK (talk) 02:41, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
About Dorothyelliot--could you give me some advice?
I know I was being a bit bitey towards her before, but she just frustrates me. I know that she doesn't mean to violate WP:COI, WP:COPYVIO, WP:AGF and WP:CIR but she just keeps pressing through whatever we tell her. Perhaps I should take a step back from the situation to calm it down--do you think that might help? Origamite 22:39, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, I've been there, and I don't handle those situations well myself when I'm involved. (It's so much easier to be dispassionate when you're not involved! <g>) If you can, stepping back, taking her talk page and the article off your watch list, and getting involved in editing something elsewhere are all good ideas. An ANI report always attracts eyes (especially admin eyes), so someone will eventually get through to her, or she'll give up, or she'll be blocked -- those are exactly the same possibilities if you stay engaged with her, at the cost of more stress for you, which nobody needs.
Advice is cheap, I know, but that's what I think. Good luck. BMK (talk) 23:17, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
- Talk page stalkers (if there are left out there), stop snickering -- don't do as I do, do as Isay! BMK (talk) 23:17, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Thank you
...for striking a blow for civility at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents recently. I ran across it while looking for something else. You said what had to be said in a clear, concise way. My kudos to you. --Tenebrae (talk) 03:51, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, I appreciate it. BMK (talk) 03:51, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Edit warring to remove a link that is broken
Please consider yourself blocked for the next 7.3 hours (an arbitrary number) for edit warring over something completely, utterly silly. I'm not going to actually push the block button, but I recommend you step away from the computer and get some sleep, tea, or whatever helps you relax and reset. If there's any more edit warring I might actually do it. Please don't make me. Jehochman 05:23, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sage advice. BMK (talk) 09:07, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
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Hudson Heights, Manhattan / Success Academy Charter Schools
Howdy. I notice you reverted my edit to Hudson Heights, Manhattan, changing one of the ] links back to ] (but not the other). If the singular (which redirects to the plural) is preferable, I'll make the same change to the second instance of the piped link and mark Success Academy Charter School up as a {{R from singular}} rather than its current {{R from misspelling}}. Will check here for a reply in the next few days before going ahead with this. Cheers. - TB (talk) 22:01, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
- I missed the other one, and changed it before I saw your note. In general, if an unpiped link is working, it's best not to change it to a piped link. BMK (talk) 22:05, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed the {{R from misspelling}} template from the Success Academy Charter School redirect that was indicating that it should not be linked to. Cheers. - TB (talk) 22:32, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
- Very good, thanks for the note. BMK (talk) 22:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
- I have removed the {{R from misspelling}} template from the Success Academy Charter School redirect that was indicating that it should not be linked to. Cheers. - TB (talk) 22:32, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Margaret Hamilton
Clearly the actress is the primary topic. I wish you had brought this to the attention of the Wizard of Oz talk page and the Musical theatre and film projects. April had renamed all the links to Margaret Brainard Hamilton. I fixed a few of them, but April should clean up her own mess. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:54, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
- I agree with you, but I wanted to avoid a disruptive controversy with a compromise that I hoped everyone could live with. I have no objection to anyone dissatisfied with the current situation raising the issue again, or perhaps opening an RfC. BMK (talk) 02:08, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, I appreciate the value of Peace On Misplaced Pages, especially in the holiday season. I'm not going to open an RFC, but I mentioned it on the talk page, and I'll happily chime in if you or someone does start an RFC (please invite me if you see one). If this happens again, I encourage you to leave a message at the WP:MUSICALS Talk page, and any other relevant project pages, to see if others wish to comment. BTW, I just noticed your comment here, as this user is again cramming images into articles that are already heavily illustrated, and in many cases, I am not sure the images are helpful. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:53, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, I will do re: MUSICALS and RfC, and I'll take a look at Metilsteiner's contribs. BMK (talk) 22:03, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, I appreciate the value of Peace On Misplaced Pages, especially in the holiday season. I'm not going to open an RFC, but I mentioned it on the talk page, and I'll happily chime in if you or someone does start an RFC (please invite me if you see one). If this happens again, I encourage you to leave a message at the WP:MUSICALS Talk page, and any other relevant project pages, to see if others wish to comment. BTW, I just noticed your comment here, as this user is again cramming images into articles that are already heavily illustrated, and in many cases, I am not sure the images are helpful. -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:53, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
Concern
Can you explain why removed all of the comments you removed in this edit? Hipocrite (talk) 15:00, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Was this really called for?
, I had left my helpful input on the matter already and seeing that without a doubt that what he was saying was true just poked a bit of fun at the thread. Now if I were making jokes or snide remarks all throughout the ANI board then yeah I can see why someone would snap at me but your post made it seem like I was doing a great wrong there. Anyways I wont hold it against you, SarekOfVulcan took it as humor and thanked me for the post, I just don't know why you had to snap at me like that. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 03:46, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
- Because your posts are childish and annoying when they're trivial, or they muddy the waters, as in the earlier part of the same thread (they were by no means "helpful"). Please give the boards a rest and edit some articles. BMK (talk) 04:10, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Close of recent ANI
The close of the recent ANI discussion and your comment here are instructive. In the end there was "No community consensus" for sanctions of any kind. Despite the length and scope of the discussion, as the community saw it, no case was made that there was any justification and the repeated requests for specific diffs to support the claims never materialized. While I do recognize that I need to take great care in dealing with Magnolia677, I am firm in stating my good faith beliefs that the original article he created at Fair Play, New Jersey did not meet the standards of WP:GEOLAND and that my actions in turning a single-source article for Marlboro, Monmouth County, New Jersey into a redirect were justified by policy, were made in good faith and were entirely appropriate. I'm sure that Magnolia677 also feels that his actions were equally appropriate, but his repeated forays to ANI to argue over the matter and his doth protesting way too much only undermined his case. It takes two to tango, and we both did a lot of dancing, both of us. Your snide final edit here seems to indicate that you still believe that my "allies have so far managed to muddy the waters and waylay the discussion", as if there were some coordinated conspiracy to muddy or waylay. I don't know and have never interacted with most of these editors, and I certainly did not ask or approach any editor to participate in the discussion. I believe that those who disagreed with you did so on the basis of a sheer lack of adequate justification. As I stated, I will do my best to work with Magnolia677 and all other editors and assume that they are acting in good faith; and I hope that he will reciprocate. I hope that, going forward, you too will offer me that same assumption of good faith. Alansohn (talk) 16:06, 22 December 2014 (UTC)