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I ignore rude or anonimous messages. Afil (talk) 20:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

May 2013

Good morning. I am interested in hydronymy as it looks the language of prehistoric Europe is reflected therein. I left a message on the wikiproject rivers talkpage, just looking for editors with similar interests to exchange information. I have discovered the so called old european hydronymy is not limited to Europe but has many correspondences in Iran, India and furhter away so I think this disproves the current scholarly etymological interpretations. Presently I am also trying to research Bengal and Burma. In Romania I find the abundance of material particularly interesting, as e.g. the long list of rivers in Alb-. Aldrasto11 (talk) 10:36, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Filotti, thank You very much for your kind reply. It has come as a very welcome surprise to receive such a polite and detailed reply. It is also lucky that You have been working in those places I wish to research and it is very interesting for me to learn that Kara Su is a Turkish hydromym meaning black water. This subject is very tricky as some words may be significant in and thus be attributed to different languages as a consequence receiving different etymologies.

E. g. You write that the rivers in alb- derive from Latin albus or a similar word in other Indoeuropean languages. After reading some works of Italian linguists G. Alessio and C. Battisti I am now convinced that this word originally meant highland or mountain. This hydronym is sometimes found as an oronym, as in Switzerland in the massif Albula, or in ancient times in Albios oros, Eastern Alps. Also it used to mean fortified hill or town (oppidum) as in Italian toponyms Albingaunum, Albium Intemelium, Alba Pompeia, Alba Longa, Alba Decilia etc. In Romania there is a town named Alba Julia. All this points to the impossibility of understanding the word as originally meaning white. This is just an example.

As for other river river names I am starting to consider the possility that some of them that recur frequently from Spain to Burma may have been reinterpreted, perhaps many times in history, according to the linguistic competence and views of erudits. I highlighted this in my post on the project talk page. I wish to thank you again and I am sure I will meet many hydronyms in Romania and elsewhere about which I may ask you about in order to get more information.

Once again thank You very much for your helpfulness.Aldrasto11 (talk) 01:37, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. Apulum is a toponym worth researching: as a first thought I would associate it with ap water (in Celtic or Sanskrit) or perhaps the Iapudes of the Balkans, who have an omonymous in the Apuli of Italy. I believe the Carpatians are a mine of names that linguists can study with great profit.Aldrasto11 (talk) 05:11, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Filotti, I compiled a list of hydronyms that i consider of interest to the issue of the Ancient European Hydronymy. I left it on the wikiproject linguistics talk page and leave it here too for your convenience. I append some remarks below.

India:

Mula, Hoara, Surma, Someshwari, Dorika, Son, Sarayu, Gori Ganga, Mandal, Sabari, Sileru, Varada, Sal, Savitri, Som, Sebarmati, Durduria, Dras, Neelum, Suru, Beas or Vipasha, Khambhat, Son/Saun/Sawan, Pamba, Mandovi, Ulhas.

Pakistan:

Malir, Malamantus (ancient), Indus/Sindhus, Neelum, Soan/Swan/Sawan/Sohan, Haro, Lora Haro, Stora Haro, Neelan, Swat/Suvastu (Vedic), Sarayu (Vedic), Gauri (Vedic), Susoma (Vedic), Sohan, Saraswati (Vedic).

Iran:

Karum, Karkheh, Shaur, Sirwan, Ghareh Soo, Alwand, Mand, Shur, Aras, Balha, Tulun, Alamut.

Syria:

Orontes, Wadi Jerrah, Barada, Awaj, Arwand.

Burma

Salween/ (in Thai: Salwine/Salawin)

Thailand

Swaria/Sawan

Cambodia

Tonle' Saap

Ancient Anatolia

Paduandus/Podandus, Purandas, Pallaconta, Saraconta, Simoeis-entos.

The hydronimic bases studied by Krahe are: Aga, Aisia/Eisa/Isa, Ala, Alba, Ara, Arga, Ava/Avos, Drava/Dravos, Kara/Karos, Pala/Pola/ Pela, Sala, Sara/Sora/Sera/Soros, Sava/Savos, Tara/Taros, Vara/Vera/Varos, Visa.

He realised river names are created from these bases with the addition of suffixes: (a, o), ia/io, ua/uo, ma/mo, na/no, ra/ro, la/lo, nta/nto/ntia/ntio,sa/so/sia/sio, sta/sto, ka/ko, ta/to.

Also he noted the recursive feature of suffixation in forming new names:

Ava+sa> Ausa new basis for >Ausava/Ausona/Auseros/Ausentia.

Ala+ma> Alma >Almia/Almana/Almara/Almonta

Ara+ma> Arma > Armena/Armona/Armonta/Armontia/Armisa/Armisia etc.

As you may note in the river names I have listed some are easily put in correspondence with those of Krahe's list, some are not.

Among the root bases I added are: *s(u)(v) as it can be collapsed with *sav; gor/gaur as in Italian gora stream or ditch, Po di Goro, Codigoro; *hoar collapsible with with *sar; *mand generally meaning animals as mules or cattle; *son collapsible with *sav in the instances; names in bar and dur can be seen as variants of *var and *drav; *mal, *mul, *mur, *tul, *vel identified by Italian linguists F. Ribezzo and C. Battisti as Mediterranean bases meaning highland, mountain, round or conic hill, border mountain, peak etc. Stora is similar to the many Stura or Astura of Italy and Spain. Beas or Vipasha looks very close to Vipava, on the border of Slovenia and Italy. Sil has correspondence with Sele in Campania, Sil in Spain, Selleis-entos in Greece. Ulhas with Volas Sinus, Ullapool. I also added river names rooted in *nar and *nest as widespread: Nar in Sabine now Nera, Arabic nahar river, Iguvine Tables "naharcom nomen", near Antiochia too. *Nest: Nestravantys in the Baltic and in Latium Praeneste. In Romania I found Nera, and Nereghis, Nergana, Nerganda, Nermed, Nermes; related to *nest Netada, Netedu, Neteri, Netis, Netot.

Thank you very much for your attention and best regards!Aldrasto11 (talk) 00:32, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

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Regarding your denial for the deletion of Râul Marca, I understand your rationale. However, if there are any links to the old name I redirect them to the new name so that there are no links left. In this case, it is my error, I uploaded the article five minutes before and there are no old links, except your comment. It really makes no sense to keep names in foreign languages in the English version, especially as there are no links. Afil (talk) 02:28, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I misunderstood. I didn't realize that this was a new article. I thought it had been at the old name for a while. I'll go ahead and delete the redirect. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 02:35, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Sorry for the inconvenience.Afil (talk) 02:53, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

No problem. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 02:54, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

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I think you are right. Their importance should be changed to Low and not unknown. Afil (talk) 22:45, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

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Ara and Vara

Dear Mr. Filotti, I am studying Krahe's ancient hydroymy. I think that probably the roots *Var(a), *Vis(a) and *Sar(a) are related to *Ar(a) and *Is(a). Now in Romania there are numerous river names that contain these roots, but also the two well known towns of Arad and Varadin, now Oradea. The WP articles though do not give their etymology. Arad is very widespread in the ME (Iran etc.) and Varad may be related to a Sanscrit word for water (in India too there is a river named Varada btw). I am sorry if I troubled you, hope you can give me some information on the issue.Aldrasto11 (talk) 05:32, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind reply. I agree that hydronyms and other place names are not originally Indoeuropean as the case in point may show, rather they are in part shared by the Indoeuropean, Uralic, Berber, Semitic, Basque etc. That is, even if the word var/vari is Sanscrit and means water in that language, it may have been received from a Preindoeuropean language common to many other Eurasian peoples. It is btw what I am trying to prove.Aldrasto11 (talk) 01:03, 28 December 2014 (UTC)