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October 2012

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. It might not have been your intention, but in this recent edit you removed a speedy deletion tag from Category:American pornographic film actors of Irish descent, a page you have created yourself. If you believe the page should not be deleted, you may contest the deletion by clicking on the button that says: Click here to contest this speedy deletion and appears inside the speedy deletion notice. This will allow you to make your case on the page's talk page. Administrators will consider your reasoning before deciding what to do with the page. http://en.wikipedia.org/Category%3aAmerican_pornographic_film_actors_of_Irish_descent?diff=517453089 Piandcompany (talk) 19:31, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Pornographic film actors of German ethnicity

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The recent edit you made to Category:American pornographic film actors of Spanish descent has been reverted, as it removed all content from the page without explanation. Please do not do this, as it is considered vandalism; use the sandbox for testing. If you think the page should be deleted, see here for what to do. Thank you. Jim1138 (talk) 01:51, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Selena Rose

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Nomination of Selena Rose for deletion

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You made the point that there are other porn actresses who have Misplaced Pages articles that do not meet notability standards. That doesn't mean we should make an exception for this actress because of them, instead, you should request deletion for those other articles. I suggest you evaluate articles according to WP:PORNBIO, WP:BIO and WP:N, and request deletion for those lacking proper notability.Rhowryn (talk) 21:52, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Jynx Maze at AVN Adult Entertainment Expo 2012.jpg.png

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Editing Style

While it is a little bit easier to track changes through multiple edits, making ten edits in a row, especially for such minor and non-controversial content is extremely tedious to look through. Try to make all minor changes in one edit, and if there you have content that may not be agreeable to others, add that separately. Rhowryn (talk) 21:43, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Luke Ford

Luke licensed his pictures for use on wikipedia long ago. He's a bright guy, a funny writer, and has done some important things. I admire him. But his various websites (past and present) are not reliable sources for information in biographies of living people. That includes your recent edit about Kitty Diamond. Thanks. Happy editing. David in DC (talk) 01:40, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

December 2012

Edits like these are, quite simply, vandalism. Please refrain from substituting the names of the wrong teams for the right ones. Your edits lasted a few days before they were reverted. They look suspiciously like test edits, made a couple of weeks before your current spree of porn-related edits and recreations of previously deleted porn actor articles. Please be constructive or please be elsewhere. Thanks. David in DC (talk) 18:31, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Blitz of page creation and editing

Hi Rebecca. Your recent edits lead me to ask a question I hope you won't find offensive. Are you trying to use wikipedia to raise the profile of a certain group of pornographic actors? Misplaced Pages biographies are supposed to be about people who are already notable. They're not supposed to be used to help make them more notable.

I could be wrong, but your edits look more like those of a publicist with an off-wiki agenda than those of a disinterested editor with no conflict of interest.

Please feel free to tell me I'm wrong, with no fear of offending me. I'm the one who may be making a mountain out of a molehill here. But direct, unequivocal reassurance from you could go a long way toward helping me control what may be an erroneous, knee-jerk reaction.

Best regards,
David in DC (talk) 12:57, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Karlie Montana

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Speedy deletion nomination of Dana Vespoli

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 Done, the article has been restored. LFaraone 14:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

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Maddy O'Reilly

• I userfied this article for you. If you are wondering why, refer to the edit summary. Erpert 23:10, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Leilani Leeane

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Aiden Starr

• I userfied this article for basically the same reason I userfied the Maddy O'Reilly article (refer to the edit summary). Erpert 07:38, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Barnstar

		Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar

• I couldn't have said this better myself. Erpert 08:18, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

• Thank you very much! Rebecca1990 (talk) 09:05, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

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Please be considerate

- and refrain from making oblique personal attacks at editors and/or admins who are only doing their work within the parameters of policy. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:03, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by "personal attacks", I was simply asking you to unsalt an article per a DRV consensus. And I know it's difficult to convey a proper tone in writing, and I don't blame you for misunderstanding me, but I never made any personal attacks towards you. Rebecca1990 (talk) 10:31, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

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Deletion review of Jessie Rogers

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Tom Byron

Hi Rebecca.

In Diff of Tom Byron you remove numerous sourced awards without leaving an edit summary. Why?

Best, Sam Sailor 09:55, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

• Because those awards are already listed on the article for Seasoned Players. If the film series didn't have it's own WP article, I would have left the awards on Tom Byron's article. Although I think a better location on WP for awards received by films from his company, but not received by Byron himself would be more appropriate to list on the article for his company Evolution Erotica. If his company didn't have it's own article, I would leave it's awards on Byron's article, but I'll probably move them over to Evolution Erotica's article later. Rebecca1990 (talk) 10:22, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

• Sounds good. Another time leave an edit summary, they can save a lot of time. Happy editing. Best, Sam Sailor 10:39, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Kiera King for deletion

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Deauxma

• Thanks for helping with Elexis Monroe, but...do you think you'd want to give Deauxma a try again? She was just nominated again; plus, DRV appears to now be overseen by more objective admins. Erpert 00:49, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I'm really sorry people, but these kind of pointy actions really aren't helping things at all. As long as the PORNBIO standard remains "disputed" (whether we all like the fact that it currently receives no deference from more than a few administrators & other Misplaced Pages editors), these kind of discussions at DRV are going to go nowhere & fast. Please try instead to work to achieve better consensus on how PORNBIO should be changed from here on out. Guy1890 (talk) 01:57, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

I will probably start a DRV for Deauxma after the XBIZ Award winners are announced. There's a possibility that she might actually win the award and if that were the case, I would have a stronger argument. I'd also like to wait for the AVN Award nominations to be announced as well as the winners. So far, Deauxma is up for "Hottest MILF" and "Social Media Star" for the AVN fan voting awards, which are insignificant unless she actually wins, so I would like to see if she garners more nominations first. I think both Deauxma and Elexis Monroe met the PORNBIO guideline before the 2014 XBIZ nominations were announced and I really don't understand what happened in the discussions for these articles. I think the problem was the extensive participation of several biased users. Notice how immediately afterward, a dispute of PORNBIO began. These users wanted to change PORNBIO and even eliminate it to satisfy their own agendas. Funny how we get accused of personalizing the discussion simply for pointing this out but they don't get warnings for their own behavior which violates WP guidelines and rules. Rebecca1990 (talk) 03:58, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

PORNBIO was marked with the disputed tag towards the end of this discussion about "DRV treatment of porn-related content". As a result of that discussion, which several routine DRV commentators participated in, it's pretty obvious that PORNBIO will get little to no deference at DRV unless & until PORNBIO is changed. Are there some Misplaced Pages editors (and unfortunately administrators) that probably have an anti-porn bias? Sure there are, but unless one can figure out a way to ban them from porn-related discussions, which is highly unlikely IMHO, you're going to continue to run into a wall on these types of issues. I don't like that anymore than anyone else, but those are the facts as I see them though. Eliminating PORNBIO entriely isn't going to change anything, and there's no consensus do that anyways. You can't continually buck the system here on Misplaced Pages without consequences. Guy1890 (talk) 04:28, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

I doubt PORNBIO will ever be gone completely, but that's exactly what some of the naysayers want to happen. But there has been progress, especially thanks to DGG, who is giving most of the articles at DRV a fair chance and telling users to focus on the subject instead of PORNBIO. Another change is that I told off the main person that has been throwing around the "personalizing" nonsense (as well as displaying his my-way-or-the-highway attitude) and surprisingly, he actually shut up. But the saddest thing is that the person who seems to be fighting the most about all this and starting frivolous AfDs is an admin, who should know better. In fact, earlier today he tried to argue that Best Actress isn't a notable award. Erpert 05:55, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

And you can also tell that the porn-haters are running out of ideas because when subjects clearly pass the notability guidelines via their nominations, the argument for "delete" is something along the lines of, "Uh, well, these awards aren't important because...uh, is a PR corporation, and...uh, these thus aren't secondary sources, and..." blah, blah, blah. And one user even accused me of having a COI because I apparently work for the porn industry (which I don't). Erpert 06:00, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Personalising discussions because you disagree with what other people think is a sure fire way to get yourself topic banned as is pointy behaviour like refusing to accept a consensus and making repeat nominations on the same basis. Fair warning Erpert, comment on the contributions not the commentator. Spartaz 07:30, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

You really haven't "told off" anyone "Erpert"...all you've done is unwittingly laid the ground work for possible sanctions against yourself & others. I understand that you think that you're helping out in the long-run, but that's really not the case. You've already complained about Spartaz's actions at AN and (like it or not) no one really gave a damn. All that really ended up doing was getting the PORNBIO standard with a disputed tag slapped on it, which is not at all helpful IMHO. Quite frankly, I can understand why some of the anti-porn editors on Misplaced Pages would think that you & "Rebecca" would have some kind of connection to the adult industry, not that I personally agree that you, in fact, do have a COI. Seriously people, none of this is helpful, and it's not going to end up well for either of you. Guy1890 (talk) 07:51, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

People seriously think I have a connection to the porn industry? I don't, and there is no proof that I do. And Spartaz, what would it take to get you to, once and for all, explain how I am personalizing anything? (If you have a real answer for that, respond on my talk page; otherwise, leave it alone and please retire that argument.) Erpert 19:30, 2 December 2013 (UTC) Actually, on second thought, don't respond on my talk page, because I don't appreciate wikihounders. Anyway...Guy, I don't understand how re-evaluating something because of new information is pointy (if it were the same information, maybe, but...); in fact, this kind of new information resulted in the reinstatements of articles like Capri Anderson, Celeste Star, Darla Crane, Anissa Kate, and I'm sure many others. And the "disputed" tag apparently actually stemmed from this discussion, which I didn't start (I say "apparently" because I opted out of that discussion before it was over). Basically, maybe "told off" and "shut up" weren't the best terms to use, but I just don't understand why the subject of pornography doesn't seem to be getting as fair of a chance as other topics on here, which is why I'm working so hard at it. In fact, I've even done that for subjects I don't even like, like Nigger (dog) (because I'm black, btw) and List of HIV-positive people. Why? Because when it comes to determining notability, Misplaced Pages couldn't care less about my (or anyone's else's) personal opinion. But to suggest that I have a COI because of that reason seems ridiculous. I'm a huge fan of Lady Gaga; if I !vote "keep" in an AfD about her, does that mean I'm her agent?

Anyway, that's all I'll say about this because I'm not the kind of person to make a battleground anywhere, especially on someone else's talk page. Erpert 20:24, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

• Actions have consequences, and sometimes those consequences are unfortunately unanticipated. Without the original complaint about Spartaz's behavior at AN, which really never had a chance of going anywhere IMHO, there wouldn't have been that discussion at AN about "DRV treatment of porn-related content", which is pretty much how the PORNBIO standard ended up with its current (and undeserved IMHO, since you can discuss changing a standard without that kind of tag) disputed tag. I really don't understand what the "fixation" is on both your parts when it comes to Deauxma & Elexis Monroe in particular. Misplaced Pages is really not going to collapse upon itself if we don't have articles on those two people, and, while I don't have a problem with pornography myself (especially since Misplaced Pages isn't supposed to censored in the first place), these types of articles aren't the most important articles on Misplaced Pages by a long shot. I'm not saying that I agree with the anti-porn crowd on Misplaced Pages at all, but there are much larger issues than the issues that are in play here. "I'm a huge fan of Lady Gaga; if I !vote 'keep' in an AfD about her, does that mean I'm her agent?" No, but it does mean that you aren't having an open mind if that's the only reason that you voted "keep". A lot (but not all) of the "delete" votes at pornography-related AfDs are pretty obviously motivated by a personal anti-porn bias, which is wrong, but there's very little that one can do about it except try & make a better, more policy-based argument in response & hope that the closing administartor isn't just counting votes. Guy1890 (talk) 01:16, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Kennedy Leigh

Hello Rebecca1990,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Kennedy Leigh for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Tco03displays (talk) 05:28, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Christy Mack

I was wondering what you see wrong with the Christy Mack I myself don't see any problems JMichael22 (talk) 14:21, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

• Ok, I corrected some things in the article. The tone is no longer an issue, but a couple of things remain unsourced and I tagged them with the "Citation needed template". I removed the Rihanna/Instagram paragraph from the article as well because I don't think it's suitable for inclusion on an encyclopedia. I also reverted your edit to her current residence, which is Indianapolis, not San Diego. If after the cited interview she did move to San Diego, then find a reliable source for it before changing it again. Rebecca1990 (talk) 16:06, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

• The Rihanna thing was something too note I felt because it was like a pop culture situation involving her it was all over the internet for awhile, also the things you say need sources had sources and it shows you removed them I don't understand that, and finally She resides in San Diego, California with her Boyfriend War Machine I will try too find the interview of them from MMA Fighting.com where they state that because your source if from mid 2012 it's not up to date JMichael22 (talk) 16:12, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

• Okay I found an interview about War Machine and in it he states their residence in San Diego JMichael22 (talk) 16:21, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

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Jessa Rhodes has been nominated for two awards, winning none. While multiple nominations MIGHT qualify, that refers to multiple nominations in multiple years. Two nominations CLEARLY doesn't satisfy the guidelines. If she wins in 2014, then feel free to recreate this. But right now this actress clearly falls short. Safiel (talk) 04:50, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

"that refers to multiple nominations in multiple years." No, it really doesn't. I'm pretty sure that you don't actually understand the guidelines that you're trying to cite here & elsewhere. A TOO SOON might apply though. Guy1890 (talk) 20:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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Article help, Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Danica Dillon

Hi Rebecca, I realize that you have your plate full with various Adult related articles, but would you mind looking at the article I'm working on about Danica Dillon. I submitted it via Articles for Creation (which I will NEVER do again because of the backlog for review) and no surprise, it was rejected. That said, would you take a look at the formatting and such and let me know what I can do to make it better. I'm particularly confused by the Awards chart, your assistance would be greatly appreciated... :) p.s. I'm happy to help out with other Adult articles, I received AVN and routinely look thru it for citations to use in existing articles. BTW, I used to work in the Entertainment industry (mainstream) and previously lived in San Fernando Valley. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 19:39, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

• Sure, I'll help you with Danica Dillon's article. Rebecca1990 (talk) 01:36, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Quick question, with regard to IMDb, why isn't it a reliable source for real names? For basic information like this, its a paid staff, fact checked site. Its the forums, trivia, and other misc that is User Contributed. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 03:26, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

By the way, the references I've used support all of the content that is there. I'll sort out the (citation needed) templates. Thank you for the edits!! --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 03:29, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

• The article passes the notability guidelines WP:PORNBIO and WP:ANYBIO, but the sourcing and content still need to be corrected. Rebecca1990 (talk) 04:33, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks!! Hopefully our seemingly anti-porn friend won't object. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 04:58, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

PORNBIO discussion

Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)#RfC:_As_regards_WP:PORNBIO.2C_should_the_criteria_for_awards_nominations_be_removed_from_the_guideline.3F So I just brought up and made the argument that probably no one would consider deletion of Susan Lucci's article simply because it took her so long to finally win an award. It might seem trivial, but it does bring to light the porn bias. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 22:23, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

• I made a similar comment about Leonardo DiCaprio never winning an Oscar. I think it's ridiculous to change the guideline to exclude nominations because it will result in the deletion of notable porn stars. The tightening of that notability guideline does not coincide with notability in the definition of the word. There are already too many very famous porn stars who fail the notability guidelines. There's Sara Jay and Rachel Starr. I have been to countless porn websites, such as Freeones, where these girls are often in the top 10. Sara Jay is currently #8 and Rachel Starr is #29, but I have seen her up higher on that list before. But the votes in favor of removing nominations is overwhelmingly higher than the votes in favor of keeping them. Only a Christmas miracle can prevent the inevitable. That guideline is unfortunately going to exclude nominations. I just hope that users with common sense choose to WP:Ignore all rules and not delete articles on really famous porn stars, since that prevents us from improving or maintaining WP. Rebecca1990 (talk) 14:54, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
  • I couldn't agree more and find what's going to be highly hypocritical. We need to find more support or get some rational Admins involved. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 07:07, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Freeones.com

Speaking of Freeones.com, I've been trying to put together an article that won't be deleted, but that's just step 1. I'd like to create a {{template}} like the IMDB or Twitter one where an actors listing on Freeones can be easily added. Something like {{freeones|i_links/India_Summer}} which would display "India Summer on Freeones.com". There's one for IAFD and AFDB, so why not Freeones?. Its been written about several times plus its the opinion of many in the Industry itself that the site is a good indication of a stars' particular popularity at any given point. What do you think? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 07:07, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

• It's a good idea, but for now lets work on improving existing articles instead of creating new ones. There are many articles on notable porn stars that will fail PORNBIO if the guideline is changed to exclude nominations and I'm improving them so they can satisfy the GNG guideline. Creating new WP article right now would be a waste of time since they will be deleted by the anti-porn editors on here. For example, I recently created articles for Kiera King and Jessa Rhodes and they were sent to AfD and deleted shortly afterward. Rebecca1990 (talk) 11:42, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Heh, you're preaching to the choir, I can hold off on loftier pursuits for now. I've been working on Janet Mason (I think its on its 4th deletion) along with Nikki Fritz, Katie Banks, and Madison Ivy since I discovered that they had articles in the Italian Misplaced Pages. Too bad we can't use "international precedent" as a qualification. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 04:35, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
    • Guess what? Freeones.com founder Maurice has just been announced as an inductee into the AVN Hall of Fame for 2014! See for yourself. What a coincidence huh? I still think we should wait to create an article and/or a template, but this is a good indication of the websites importance in that industry. Rebecca1990 (talk) 12:40, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
      • Very cool, we can use that later. By the way, based in part on the porn bias we've been seeing along with similar sentiments with other subjects, I just wrote this essay... WikiBigotry. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 19:16, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Kristina_and_Karissa_Shannon#Playmate_Twins_distinction

If you have a moment, would you mind weighing in on this discussion? I've been reverted 3 times now for information that I've managed to source specifically and that appears to be unique to the subjects of the article, thus worthy of inclusion. Personally I prefer not to report Users for things like this, I like to "talk it out", but I've put a (3RR) warning on the Users Talk page. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 05:09, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks :) --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 07:50, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

Tanya Tate, Shannon twins part 2 and again with Wolf

Hi Rebecca, sorry to bring you into the fray again. But in the Tanya Tate article I'm on my second go around with Wolf. He removed the Paul Raymond award that she won and you added on the basis that (from his edit summary) "not noteworthy, employee-of-the-year type award". I added back, he reverted it (several times) and to make a long story short, this is his second instance of violating 3RR in just a few days with me. He's done it other times as evident on his Talk page. Its your addition and its referenced, would you mind adding it back. I'm not interested in officially reporting someone, but Wolf is the first person I've seriously considered. Thanks... --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:40, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	You're logical and diligent, two wonderful qualities that should go together more often... :) Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 18:04, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• Thank you! Rebecca1990 (talk) 21:57, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

PORNBIO, new attribute, time in industry

Since the awards (nominations and wins) are controversial and the notability of the actual awards gets challenged, what if we add an attribute that is factual data based? My underlying assumption is that many, if not a significant number, are "short timers". Furthermore, its likely that (but not always true of course, i.e. Tracy Lords, Savannah, Shauna Grant) short timers will not become Notable per WP standards.

Porn actors come and go, some stay, a lot don't. And on occasion, some come back, even after many years out of the business. In my opinion, that makes the Adult industry decently unique. So "time in industry" should be taken into consideration for PORNBIO Notability. This way every newbie that comes on the scene won't get an article automatically unless s/he's associated with something really unique.

So if we find an acceptable way to calculate the length of the average Adult career, we will have an additional ''high water mark'' of sorts to gauge who might be Notable. I have an idea for this and it has an independently published source.

This also could affect the Infobox adult biography, where I'd like to see "Years active" (a range, like Mainstream actors and models have currently) or "Year started" added as support for this new guideline.

Then I started thinking about what the objections could be about adding this attribute. One could be that Porn is no different from the Mainstream industry in this respect; a point that I'm happy to let as many Users as possible argue is true. In the long run, this just works in our favor. If anti-porn or porn-indifferent Users want to argue that an aspect of Adult is just like Mainstream, I say we let them.

But back to the point, the regular Entertainment industry has throngs of hopeful wannabes coming to Hollywood to "get a part" and then get their "big break". Some get parts (hence one of the reasons that IMDb exists), but relatively few get that "big break". Conversely in Adult, its fairly easy to "get a part" (OK, at least for the women) and work as long as they'd like, but fewer still attain any kind of status even with publications trying to boost up every actor that they can that does not include controversy (ex. Bree Olson, Charlie Sheen's ex-GF).

What are your thoughts? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 18:53, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

• I really don't see what length of time has to do with notability. For example, Sasha Grey and Nina Hartley are two of the biggest porn superstars ever and Grey's career only lasted 4 years while Hartley's has lasted 30 years so far and she remains active in the industry and she claims that she will never retire. Trying to change the PORNBIO guideline would just be adding more wood to the fire. The PORNBIO guideline will not be loosened, it will only be tightened more if we dispute it again, so it is better to keep it the same. The recent PORNBIO dispute was probably my fault for taking Deauxma's article to DRV and trying to unsalt it. Her article passed the previous PORNBIO guideline and it passes the current ANYBIO guideline as well, but both the DRV and the AfD had far more "Delete" votes than "Keep" votes. These users refused to keep the article because they thought she didn't pass the GNG and that her article wasn't reliably sourced. The article was indeed reliably sourced so of course, this is all an excuse to hide their anti-pornography agenda, although not all of them did a very good job at hiding it since some of them clearly stated that they personally didn't like PORNBIO. Since they knew Deauxma passed PORNBIO they decided to change the guideline just to make her fail it. If I would have known that this debate over Deauxma's notability would result in not only Deauxma's article not being unsalted and recreated, but also the PORNBIO guideline being altered to what would result in the deletion of god knows how many other articles for notable porn stars, I would have never gone to DRV. Elexis Monroe is another example of a porn star whose article was also been targeted by the anti-porn WP users, despite there being many other articles with similar award nominations that have been kept at AfD. A porn article getting salted seems like the point of no return and I doubt I'll ever go back to DRV. Rebecca1990 (talk) 23:33, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

• • Well, I'm saying that use an attribute of the industry to our advantage, a LOT of people come and go. I'm not saying its criteria enough by itself, but your examples, Sasha Grey and Nina Hartley, are perfect and here is how I would defend the "time in the industry" attribute in their cases. With regard to Nina Hartley, its obvious, she's bucked the trend and is a diehard. She's got Adult and mainstream sources all over the place. If we get the attribute added, it gives us a definable measure as well as a means to potentially add unchallenged articles for other long term actors because they meet this and the other criteria of PORNBIO. With regard to Sasha Grey, she's a perfect example of an exception. She exploded onto the scene and crossed over with fairly significant (and easily sourced) success. In other words, if someone makes its past the typical "industry length of time" threshold, they become a better candidate. Before that, we don't bother to investigate unless they do something to become WP:NOTABLE versus "just a more famous than usual" porn star which is kind of how it appears now. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:14, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

BTW, I feel bad about Deauxma too. My wife and I know her through a website that she and her husband belong to. She's not bothered by a lack of an article, but seeing who does have one versus hers being deleted over and over is a little depressing. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:14, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

• "With regard to Sasha Grey, she's a perfect example of an exception." Not really, plenty of porn stars have become big stars with a very short term career. The most recent example is Brooklyn Lee. Her career lasted three years and in that time she won the AVN Best New Starlet Award, won the XBIZ Award for Female Performer of the Year, won several other awards, was given the lead role in the 2013 remake of Behind the Green Door, and appeared in the music video for P!nk's song Raise Your Glass. Lauren Phoenix was nominated for the AVN Best New Starlet Award and won Female Performer of the Year the following year, among several other awards. She crossed over into mainstream by modelling for American Apparel and her career only lasted three years and now shes gone. Unlike Sasha Grey, who is now a mainstream actress/musician/model/author/screenwriter/etc. and Brooklyn Lee who is out promoting the Behind the Green Door remake and keeps in touch with people in the adult industry such as her best friend Tasha Reign, we don't know where Lauren Phoenix went. She completely disappeared. She didn't pursue a mainstream career, she doesn't have a Twitter or Tumblr or website or any contact with her fans to let them know what shes been up to since retiring eight years ago. She doesn't attend AVN Expos or Exxxotica conventions. We don't know if she continues to reside in the U.S. or if she moved back to Canada. We don't know if she went to college, if she has a career, what that career is, if she's a housewife, if she has children, if she's a hooker, a stripper, or completely done with sex work. Even Vanessa del Rio, who retired decades ago, makes appearances at porn conventions and is active on social media websites. Lauren Phoenix left her mark in the porn industry and her retirement won't make that go away. Length of time in a porn stars career is just irrelevant in regards to notability. And don't even get me started on October 1985 Penthouse Pet of the Month and 1986 AVN Best New Starlet Award winner Angel (pornographic actress), who we know absolutely nothing about, not even her birthdate or nationality. Know, I do understand what you're saying. You think that a porn star with a very long career like Nina Hartley is notable and I agree, but you're not going to be able to convince the WP community to include this criteria in PORNBIO, not like it matters anyway's since most porn stars with careers this long have already been inducted into the AVN Hall of Fame or XRCO Hall of Fame, which are both included in the PORNBIO criteria already. If they haven't been inducted they probably will eventually. If I could add a criteria to PORNBIO, it would be "Has a Twitter account with 100,000 followers or more." Trust me, that is a big number for porn stars. I would also include "Has won any fan's choice award." I believe notability guidelines on WP should actually reflect notability by definition of the word and these current guidelines don't, but when I brought these up in an AfD, I was ridiculed for it. I'm just trying to save you the embarrassment. Rebecca1990 (talk) 01:57, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, all points well taken. I thought I was on to something, but you make a good case. My only rebuttal would be that out of hundreds or maybe thousands of new starlets that come and go in a short time, few achieve status like Grey, Lee, or Phoenix. With this in mind, they seem to obviously deserve an article, but how do we get people (Editors and Readers) that don't appreciate this distinction to understand this? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 03:57, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Aaliyah Love

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Hello

Hello Hanswar32 and welcome to WP. You are obviously a WP:Good faith editor, but could you please stop edit warring over the inclusion of awards in articles? You are jeopardizing these articles and your edits have already led to the semi-protection of many of them. And this is coming from someone who actually agrees with you and is in favor of including these awards in articles. Just stop it please. It's just not worth it. It's an uphill battle that I am not willing to fight. Rebecca1990 (talk) 09:38, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Rebecca1990. I just find it ridiculous (I'm glad you agree with me) that such awards are considered spam or irrelevant when they actually add value to the article by displaying various achievements. The ones jeopardizing these articles are editors who semi-protect and remove such awards, not us who try to make the article better by adding to its value. As far as I'm aware, these awards meet notability guidelines and are recognized and documented by industry leaders such as AVN. Who is to be trusted more? The opinion of anonymous Wikipedians or the independent leader of the industry in question? In any case, thanks for your message and I appreciate your attempt in resolving this dispute. Hanswar32 (talk) 10:00, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Speaking of... Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Repeated_spamming_of_utterly_non-notable_awards_on_porn_star_biographies --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 04:11, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Rikki Six

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Proposed deletion of Samantha Saint

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Proposed deletion of Trinity St. Clair

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Proposed deletion of Diamond Foxxx

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Proposed deletion of Franceska Jaimes

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Nomination of Trinity St. Clair for deletion

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Nomination of Kennedy Leigh for deletion

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Proposed deletion of Alex Gonz

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Proposed deletion of Britney Amber

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Proposed deletion of Carla Cox

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Nomination of Leilani Leeane for deletion

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Nomination of Aiden Starr for deletion

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Proposed deletion of Alyssa Branch

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A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	Mostly for putting up with (ahem /\).... :) Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 05:37, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Duke University porn star

Hey Becs, have you been following this at all... Duke University Porn Star? I've added some info in the Tasha Reign article, but she's so new she's not in IMDB or even IAFD. Just the Duke controversy could make for a decent section. Watch and see...? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 07:02, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

• I did hear of that story, but I didn't find out that she had revealed her identity until you mentioned it now. I wouldn't suggest creating an article on her if that's what you're thinking. It would be a waste of your time and it will surely get deleted in accordance with WP:BLP1E. And I don't think she's going to become notable in the future either. According to what I've read on Belle Knox so far, she isn't planning on doing porn as a long-term and/or successful career, she's doing it to pay for her college tuition and will likely stop performing once she graduates. Rebecca1990 (talk) 14:10, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, that's the same impression I have and hence why I've added the info tangentially to Reigns article and related info in a new section in the Stripper article. I'm thinking about a similar section in Pornographic film actor based in part on above article plus others. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 19:45, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Oh well... Belle Knox, sheesh... --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 18:13, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Porn Star
		For your work on porn and sex related articles. Thanks.--109.188.127.241 (talk) 16:10, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Kortney Kane for deletion

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Nina Mercedez and section formatting

Hi Becs, I should have given you a notice about this, but I've started a conversation regarding the sections and formatting for PornBio articles on the Project Talk Page. I see that you made some changes in the Nina Mercedez article and I understand your reasons (great edit summaries BTW), I'm just trying to get some consensus for how we move forward. To some extent, its my intention for the porn actor articles to be less "specifically just about porn" and preferably about notable people who happen to work in porn. Hence for example the Career section including all of their work history, not just what they've done in the Industry. Make sense? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 19:18, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Aaliyah Love for deletion

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Inquiry about Sara Jay page

I created this page and am shocked at the anti-porn opinions from editors who are supposed to help newbies. Can you look at this page. Do you think I am out of line? I worked very hard on this new article and I would think Sara is being singled out. https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/SARA_JAY Ilovepitts (talk) 18:56, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I am very aware of Sara Jay's popularity in the adult industry and I find it shocking that she still isn't considered notable enough for a Misplaced Pages article. And you are correct about the abundance of anti-porn editors on here. I know what it's like to create an article and have inconsiderate editors with an agenda delete your hard work, but unfortunately I can't do anything to help you. Forget about Sara Jay's article for now. If she does win an award (a non-controversial one by the way. Misplaced Pages's anti-porn editor's have attempted to degrade the value of certain awards, such as Sara Jay's Urban X Awards), gets inducted into the AVN or XRCO Hall of Fame (which will most likely happen eventually because of her length of time in the industry and her popularity and success), or crosses over to mainstream media like Jenna Jameson and Sasha Grey (highly unlikely. And in case you're wondering, no, her current mainstream appearances aren't considered enough by anti-porn editor's), then you can attempt to get approval for restoring the article. Her article is currently locked and can only be recreated by an administrator. For pornography articles, creation protection is the point of no return. I learned that the hard way with Deauxma, another porn star who's article is locked and cannot be created. I worked hard on Deauxma's article, which did pass the notability guideline for porn biographies (WP:PORNBIO) at the time, and aside from editors refusing to allow the article to be restored, they also changed the PORNBIO guideline to exclude nominations and only allow award wins, despite the fact that this contradicts another guideline (WP:ANYBIO). I have created about 100 articles since I started editing in 2012. A dozen of those have been deleted ever since. You are wasting your time with Sara Jay. And there is obviously some sockpuppetry going on as well, and I'm sorry to say this but the suspicions towards you are reasonable, although there is no actual proof that you are the one behind the sockpuppetry. And I'm sorry to inform you that I will not be participating in this discussion because it would be pointless. And also, the fact that you notified me of that discussion might be considered WP:Votestacking. Rebecca1990 (talk) 14:13, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Jynx Maze for deletion

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A pie for you!

Hola! How goes it? Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:46, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Jenna Haze/Allie Haze

Fair enough, it was the adding of content for one that should have been for the other that prompted the hat notes, but I see your point as well. While were on the subject, anything I can help with? Are there any particular Porn Project ToDo lists that you're working on? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 18:37, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Veronica Avluv

What I see at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Pornography#Section formatting is you proposing that you like to put Personal life before Awards. What I do not see there is any consensus on that point, and in fact the person who initiated the discussion does not follow that convention in the list of sections as proposed at the end of the discussion. Please don't point me to, much less revert on the basis of, a discussion which offers no consensus in support of your opinion, leaving it only your opinion. And please leave Veronica Avluv alone. Dwpaul 21:30, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Personal life section

Hey, I just noticed that you blanked this. Whats up? Do we need better sources? Is it OK for me to do some expansion? --SCalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 17:02, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Blanked what? Veronica Avluv's "Personal life" section? It's still in the article, but it's below the awards & nominations section which makes it barely noticeable. It belongs above the awards & nominations section but I kept having my edits reverted every time I moved it and I didn't want to start edit warring. Rebecca1990 (talk) 01:12, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, and you're right I completely missed it. I'll move it back and update the suggested format on the Project Page. I agree with you that the article should be just like any other BIO. --SCalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 01:42, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Template question

Hey Becs, do you remember that template that lets other editors know that someone is doing a major rewrite to an article or section and asks them to refrain from major editing for 24 hours? I've seen it used on a variety of articles, but I can't locate it. Thanks, --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 15:45, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Template:In use Rebecca1990 (talk) 05:13, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!! --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 16:19, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Early life sections

Hi Becs,

I'm not trying to remove "Early life" sections and I have nothing against them. But when there is so little content, I just try to condense where I can. If you'd prefer they stay, I'm all for it. I agree that the porn bios should be formatted much like any other. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 17:07, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Raven Rockette for deletion

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Diamond Foxxx

Saw your tag, unfortunately I agree. There is info available on her, there's just not much substance that can be translated into content. Anything come of her TLC appearance that you know of? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) 15:43, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Phoenix Marie

Hello! I saw that article about Phoenix Marie is deleted from the English Misplaced Pages. This is very terrible. It's about a porn star with a big contribution. In my stays Bulgarian Misplaced Pages article, but the English is the most important. Interesting and why they deleted it - most of the voices in the discussion are to preserve it. It sucks. However, I will turn harder in editing articles about pornography in the English Misplaced Pages. Previously I wrote only in Bulgarian.--Hillary Scott`love (talk) 20:52, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm really upset that it was deleted. The WP:PORNBIO guideline is too strict and so was the previous one. But I'm not going to fight to restore Phoenix Marie's article. Last time we took porn articles to WP:DRV (Deauxma & Elexis Monroe), the anti-porn users that edit there (the vast majority of DRV participants are anti-porn) not only refused to restore Deauxma and Elexis Monroe's articles, they also changed the PORNBIO guideline to make them fail it. My suggestion is that you never take a porn related article to DRV, ever. It will not be restored and may lead to another PORNBIO change that will result in the deletion of even more WP articles on notable porn stars. Rebecca1990 (talk) 23:11, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Deauxma

I know with absolute certainty that she does not want her real name in the article. --SChotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 20:35, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Audrey Bitoni

now they want to delete this article. It's just terrible. Audrey Bitoni is a significant personality and has a place here. She deserves a Misplaced Pages article over a number of amateur football players and some terrorists and politicians. It is a popular star in the world.. Greetings from Bulgaria!--Hillary Scott`love (talk) 13:15, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more, but its tough to fight to keep it when her PR is lousy. I keep telling these performers to keep track of this stuff, but so few listen. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 19:55, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	I'm sorry for all the insults and personal attacks hurled at you. I hope they haven't disillusioned you towards the encyclopedia. Tutelary (talk) 04:14, 3 January 2015 (UTC)