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| Per ] am editing the clemency section to include relevant facts that have thus far been left out. The following was integrated into the section. The section is omitting relevant information about the fact that the pardons were not for those serving time in prison but who had been released. It fails to mention that he was simply adopting the requests of the Prison Transfer Board. It does not mention that Clemmons' sentence was not eliminated, only reduced, and that Clemmons was back in prison by 2001 and it was the prosecutor's decision to release him. Unmentioned is the fact that there was no public response against Mike Huckabee's decision at the time, the only public response was from the trial judge asking him to make the decision. | Per ] am editing the clemency section to include relevant facts that have thus far been left out. The following was integrated into the section. The section is omitting relevant information about the fact that the pardons were not for those serving time in prison but who had been released. It fails to mention that he was simply adopting the requests of the Prison Transfer Board. It does not mention that Clemmons' sentence was not eliminated, only reduced, and that Clemmons was back in prison by 2001 and it was the prosecutor's decision to release him. Unmentioned is the fact that there was no public response against Mike Huckabee's decision at the time, the only public response was from the trial judge asking him to make the decision. | ||
| Right now the entire section is a hit piece against Mike Huckabee. This is a page on Huckabee and should at least quote his words once on the controversy. None of the relevant information on the controversy is provided that he has mentioned in his defense is provided. Two additional paragraphs of information to balance the section so it gives relevant information and the point of view of the public figure whose page it is, is not too much to ask. --] (]) 17:07, 6 January 2015 (UTC) | Right now the entire section is a hit piece against Mike Huckabee. This is a page on Huckabee and should at least quote his words once on the controversy. None of the relevant information on the controversy is provided that he has mentioned in his defense is provided. Two additional paragraphs of information to balance the section so it gives relevant information and the point of view of the public figure whose page it is, is not too much to ask. --] (]) 17:07, 6 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
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| :::That was me. There's already a section about this. There's way too much detail and self-serving statements in what you added. Huckabee (and his aide) defending himself, should be very brief and on point. I don't think the clemency controversies section should be any larger, so some of the existing detail might need to be trimmed as well.- ]] 17:18, 6 January 2015 (UTC) | :::That was me. There's already a section about this. There's way too much detail and self-serving statements in what you added. Huckabee (and his aide) defending himself, should be very brief and on point. I don't think the clemency controversies section should be any larger, so some of the existing detail might need to be trimmed as well.- ]] 17:18, 6 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
| ::::What excess detail would you say should be trimmed? The page is about Mike Huckabee, if it's going to have a controversies section (which really is bad editing to begin with), it might as well at least provide his point of view on the matter. A paragraph or two referencing his response to the controversy or that of his campaign should be permitted to ensure accurate reporting on living persons. According to ], | |||
| ⚫ | Ultimately, the material is clearly relevant, and there are key facts being left out of the article on the subject, in violation of ] policy. The article fails to quote or provide the point of view of the public figure who the article is about. If you think the proposed information is too long or POV then please provide a suggestion for how you think it should be shortened and the information included in the article. So far all you are doing is providing objections, not constructive recommendations for how the relevant facts can be included. --] (]) 17:11, 6 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
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| ::::Right now the section is overly negative, leaves out relevant facts, and does not once quote the person who the page is about. This seems to clearly violate ]. --] (]) 17:26, 6 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | Ultimately, the material is clearly relevant, and there are key facts being left out of the article on the subject, in violation of ] policy. The article fails to quote or provide the point of view of the public figure who the article is about. If you think the proposed information is too long or POV then please provide a suggestion for how you think it should be shortened and the information included in the article. So far all you are doing is providing objections, not constructive recommendations for how the relevant facts can be included. --] (]) 17:11, 6 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
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Chuck Norris?
http://en.wikipedia.org/File:Norrishuckabee.JPG Will someone please manage to link this image to: http://commons.wikimedia.org/Mike_Huckabee I'm a fan of both: Norris & Huckabee
thanks ;)
Media sources for Huckabee-Clemmons controversy
To decide whether this is notable, here is a beginning list of articles, etc. on the controversy. Please don't add minor sources, pajama-blogs, etc.
- Now Public report on the details of Huckabee's public statments on Fox News and elsewhere.
Whitewash
Seems that despite my warnings, quite a while back, monitoring of this article fell off. I note that there's no mention of Wayne Dumond, and the problems his release raised for Huckabee. I do not that a lot of editors with clearly partisan names and editing patterns are heavily invested here, cleaning this article of anything which presents unflattering facts about Huckabee. This article is seriously biased for Huckabee at this point, and in no way neutral. ThuranX (talk) 07:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
- When you say biased, do you mean encyclopedic? If so, how can we better disparage the subject of this WP:BLP? †TE†Talk 07:46, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
Huh?
I think there are hundreds of millions of people worldwide who know this guy ONLY because of his freakish "joke" at an NRA meeting in 2008. Yes, he apologized for it, and yes, it's water under the bridge, and yes, in an ideal world, those hundreds of millions of people maybe ought to know him for something else. But I thought Misplaced Pages was for the real world, not the ideal world. The article ought to mention the man's greatest claim to fame. 65.96.161.4 (talk) 16:26, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
Candidate for President?
The article claims that Huckabee was candidate for president in 2008. That is of course incorrect. He was a candidate in the presidential primary elections of the Republican Party. That doesn't make him candidate for the presidency. Otherwise, it would be astonishingly easy to become "candidate for president". I checked several other articles for previous "presidential hopefuls" (such as Howard Dean, Bill Bradley, Steve Forbes, etc.) and the most NPOV verbiage in my opinion is "He was a Republican candidate in the U.S. Presidential primaries in 2008." I will correct the article in this manner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruebezahl (talk • contribs) 09:59, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Extremely questionable claim
"In his autobiography From Hope to Higher Ground, Huckabee recalled the chilly reception that he received from the Arkansas Democratic establishment on his election as lieutenant governor after it was revealed that he stabbed his mother with a fork when he was twelve because she refused his sexual advances."
Needless to say, if this is not true and cited then it has the potential to be extremely libelous. Either remove it or, if it's true (which I highly doubt), cite it.128.220.158.41 (talk) 16:10, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Removed. Seems like some 'joker' had added the libelous bit.--Hon-3s-T (talk) 16:45, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
I've read that book. It's not in there. E. Novachek (talk) 19:28, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
Recent controversies section
This section sounds a lot like WP:RECENT. If the "controversy" is a flash in the pan story that has no meaningful impact on why Huckabee is notable or it is minor in the scope of his life, then it doesn't belong here. WP:INDISCRIMINATE Morphh 20:07, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
- Remove Very good point. Wikiepdia is not news and if a second controversy section needs to be made for "recent" controversies, one could also argue WP:UNDUE 71.165.9.190 (talk) 20:13, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Funadmentalist
Why isnt this mentioned. The fact he doesnt accept the fact of evolution and believes in the ark myth should be noted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gtserf (talk • contribs) 10:16, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
RfC
BAn RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 17:02, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
2012 comments on Sandy Hook shooting
Following the December14, 2012 grade-school shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, the Huckabee entity paraded his view via the mass media that such a horrid incident can be quelled by placing religious beliefs into the minds of school children. I believe Huckabee's poor timing for making that utterance MAY be worthy of placement in his biography but I am unsure so just making mention of the post-tragedy statement here. A Web search should reveal the statement I observed today, 15 Dec, 2012. No link added due to the odds of it becoming quickly useless. Google is thine friend, brethren.Obbop (talk) 16:41, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
- I have added additional references. Huckabee's statement was documented in the national media and even in Germany. I think it's worthy of inclusion due to the attention that it received. Keizers (talk) 17:22, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Clemency Controversies
Per WP:BLP am editing the clemency section to include relevant facts that have thus far been left out. The following was integrated into the section. The section is omitting relevant information about the fact that the pardons were not for those serving time in prison but who had been released. It fails to mention that he was simply adopting the requests of the Prison Transfer Board. It does not mention that Clemmons' sentence was not eliminated, only reduced, and that Clemmons was back in prison by 2001 and it was the prosecutor's decision to release him. Unmentioned is the fact that there was no public response against Mike Huckabee's decision at the time, the only public response was from the trial judge asking him to make the decision.
Right now the entire section is a hit piece against Mike Huckabee. This is a page on Huckabee and should at least quote his words once on the controversy. None of the relevant information on the controversy is provided that he has mentioned in his defense is provided. Two additional paragraphs of information to balance the section so it gives relevant information and the point of view of the public figure whose page it is, is not too much to ask. --71.57.118.25 (talk) 17:07, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- 71.57.118.25, your last edit summary at the article stated: "integrating material in per request". Per request of whom? If that request has come from the Huckabee campaign or anyone else or any other group with a conflict of interest, you need to know that such motivation and content submitted from such a motivation is against Misplaced Pages policy. Also, please sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes (~). -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:01, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- You requested in your previous removal of the information that it be integrated in, rather than a separate section created for it. This was done according to your request. I read the Conflict of Interest page and it only says that paid advocates should not edit pages related to them. I am not paid by the Mike Huckabee campaign, or I would disclose that information consistent with COI policy. Furthermore, I did sign this post, although I did so at the bottom of the "New Information" section. I can sign above as well, however. --71.57.118.25 (talk) 17:07, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- That was me. There's already a section about this. There's way too much detail and self-serving statements in what you added. Huckabee (and his aide) defending himself, should be very brief and on point. I don't think the clemency controversies section should be any larger, so some of the existing detail might need to be trimmed as well.- MrX 17:18, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- You requested in your previous removal of the information that it be integrated in, rather than a separate section created for it. This was done according to your request. I read the Conflict of Interest page and it only says that paid advocates should not edit pages related to them. I am not paid by the Mike Huckabee campaign, or I would disclose that information consistent with COI policy. Furthermore, I did sign this post, although I did so at the bottom of the "New Information" section. I can sign above as well, however. --71.57.118.25 (talk) 17:07, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- What excess detail would you say should be trimmed? The page is about Mike Huckabee, if it's going to have a controversies section (which really is bad editing to begin with), it might as well at least provide his point of view on the matter. A paragraph or two referencing his response to the controversy or that of his campaign should be permitted to ensure accurate reporting on living persons. According to WP:BLP,
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Please blank this page so that it only contains the deletion template. - Right now the section is overly negative, leaves out relevant facts, and does not once quote the person who the page is about. This seems to clearly violate WP:BLP. --71.57.118.25 (talk) 17:26, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Ultimately, the material is clearly relevant, and there are key facts being left out of the article on the subject, in violation of WP:BLP policy. The article fails to quote or provide the point of view of the public figure who the article is about. If you think the proposed information is too long or POV then please provide a suggestion for how you think it should be shortened and the information included in the article. So far all you are doing is providing objections, not constructive recommendations for how the relevant facts can be included. --71.57.118.25 (talk) 17:11, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
New Information
Most of the pardons and commutations were not for those serving time in prison, but those whose sentences had ended and were seeking work. On MSNBC's Morning Joe Huckabee is quoted by PolitiFact as saying "A lot of (the pardons) that I gave were for 35-year-old single moms with kids who wanted to get a job anywhere in a nursing home emptying a bed pan, but because of the background check couldn't because when they were 18 they'd written a hot check."
Mike Huckabee in defending himself points out that 92% of all clemency requests were denied over his 10+ years as governor, and that he was acquiescing to the Prison Transfer Board's unanimous request for a sentence commutation of Clemmons. In defending himself, Mike Huckabee pointed out that the only public response at the time was from the trial judge who likewise recommended the sentence reduction. According to Huckabee in a 2009 CNN interview, "For the crimes he committed and the age at which he committed the crimes, was dramatically outside the norm for sentencing." Huckabee continued, "The only record of public response to the notice to commute was from the trial judge, who recommended the commendation in concert with the board."
A Mike Huckabee aide in defending his record on the subject has pointed out that 1) Clemmons was never pardoned, the sentence was reduced, not eliminated, 2) the commutation did not release him, only made him parole eligible, 3) "Despite news reports, there are no records that the prosecutor, law enforcement, the Attorney General, or victims objected to the commutation", 4) Clemmons "was back in prison by 2001 and would have remained there until 2015 due to his parole violations had the prosecutor chosen to properly file the paperwork or enforced the warrants", 5) "The Clemmons of 2000 did not exhibit traits of psychosis and the kind of behavior that he would later express during several arrests", and 6) "Religion had nothing to do with the commutation... The reasons were straightforward—a unanimous recommendation from the board, support from a trial judge and no objections from officials in a case that involved a 16 year old sentenced to a term that was exponentially longer than similar cases and certainly longer than had he been white, upper middle class, and represented by effective counsel who would have clearly objected to the sentencing."
--71.57.118.25 (talk) 16:56, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
- Adair, B. (2007, December 28). Yes, Huckabee Pardoned Many. PolitiFact.
- (2009, December 1). Huckabee: 'I Take Full Responsibility' For Shooting Suspect's Clemency. CNN. Retrieved January 6, 2015.
- Smith, B. (2010, October 18). Huckabee's Clemency. Politico. Retrieved January 6, 2015.
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