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In answer to your question...

...yes, having a colosal raging asshole lying about you in an AfD because you've had the temerity to attempt to salvage an article is really infuriating. I know some of his behaviors is standard for deletionist editors, and there's a bit of a tendency amongst the righteous to adopt any means if it supports the cause (WP:FTN has some imperfect moments, but he goes beyond that into the deeply toxic). Artw (talk) 06:16, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

You compared his analysis (however unfair) of your editing history to the actions of misogynistic rape enthusiasts. There's hyperbole and then there's that. BlueSalix and I have had our run-ins and I know he can be a dick. But countering dickishness with stuff like that is just stupid. St★lwart 07:09, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

The misogynistic rape enthusiasts, while unpleasant, never slandered me or made up elaborate conspiracy theorys about me. In that they have the edge on him. Artw (talk) 07:43, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Also, in general, WP:UNCIVIL would make them back down rather than causing them to double down. Which is probably the ocre of why you defend him: he's an angry bulldog, point him in the direction of an article and he'll be so unpleasant everyone backs off. But long term such behavior is not an asset to Misplaced Pages. Artw (talk) 07:46, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Starting on me is ill-advised; I didn't "defend" him, I don't now and I didn't "point him" at anything. He identified an article about a subject that he thought didn't meet our inclusion criteria. He found another (connected) article that he thought didn't meet our inclusion criteria. Given our history, I would ordinarily give it no thought and simply walk away. I have no desire to antagonise. But I'm a regular and DRV and some of the nonsense there convinced me I should participate. The only "conspiracy theories" in that AFD discussion are from the same person who made the same outlandish claims at WP:DRV - that a perfectly ordinary deletion discussion (of which there are dozens each day) was somehow an attempt to "censor" the "truth". The proponents of both articles responded with three separate pointy and ironically pointless ANI threads, all of which were quickly shut down, including yours (with some rather appropriate advice, I might add). The suggestion that his actions have dissuaded others from contributing is simply false on the face of it - there have been more contributions since. St★lwart 08:09, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

• Hey, Stalwart111. I'm about to be indefinitely blocked for my comments in the AfD to ArtW , so I'm just making the rounds saying thanks for the support in the last few days on the various fringe theories topics that we've been dealing with. I appreciate your work in helping to maintain the line of sanity on WP and hope you keep it up in the future, especially since the number of editors willing to tackle the best "defended/entrenched" of these topics is dwindling. Best - BlueSalix (talk) 18:45, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

@BlueSalix. Well, I don't think you are... not just yet anyway. That sort of thing would take (as you say) another ANI thread and I don't think ArtW is quite willing to brave that gauntlet again, given the reception he got last time. There's plenty he shouldn't be proud of in that discussion too. My advice? Walk away. They're yet to come up with a policy-based argument for keeping that BLP, or for overturning the other BLP deletion at DRV. There's nothing else you need to do at this point and even after all of that... it's just Misplaced Pages. Go and find something else to work on - if it goes back to ANI, don't respond (at least not immediately). I and others will have plenty to say. St★lwart 20:26, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Oh, actually, I was told on my Talk page an indef will occur momentarily, unless I could "prove why shouldn't." (After the three ANIs failed to get me benched, they started WP:OTHERPARENTing directly to admins outside of ANI.) My execution date is pretty much set and it's fait accompli at this point, so don't worry about it. As you noted, I can take-up stamp collecting or something. :)

Thanks again for all your help and best of luck in the future. I'm spending my last few hours unblocked tying up loose ends - could I kindly ask you to monitor the Boyd Bushman namespace as I'm certain the article will be recreated in the next weeks? Many thanks again. Best - BlueSalix (talk) 23:59, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, he asked the question and you provided an answer. He would need a lot to jump from ultimatums to blocks without much else in between. WTT is a dedicated defender of the project but he's not a dick. St★lwart 00:25, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Agree, Worm_That_Turned is not a dick, but it's the UFO editors on one hand and me by myself on the other. The issue is so convoluted that I can appreciate - at a certain point - one would naturally assume that if BlueSalix is being dragged to ANI umpteen times in the space of a few hours something must be up and it's easier to just block him. Plus, even if I'm not blocked, since these editors have carte blanche to OTHERPARENT to infinity without repercussion it's just a matter of days before they'll get one to stick. Anyway, thanks again and farewell, friend. BlueSalix (talk) 00:31, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Nah, eventually their pet articles will be gone and they'll disappear as quickly as they arrived. Just leave the discussions where they are and trust that admins like WTT can see the wood for the trees. St★lwart 01:22, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Not always

I understand what you're saying, you're also coming off bitey to a recent new page patroller? I can give you lots of examples of my helping newbies than RSD; Example https://en.wikipedia.org/TheRelapseSymphony - Patrolled, helpful msg sent to user on article talk page, tagged for clean up - even though it may not be enough to be keep. Diagear (talk) 08:04, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Diagear, I have no idea how long you've been new-page-patrolling for (it didn't seem fair to trawl your editing history for older examples) and I apologise if you've only been doing that for a short while. I'm not taking anything away from your work, nor suggesting you should stop - I didn't template-message you because the issue was more complex than a "don't do that" and you have a mentor so your intentions are obviously good. It was just a few examples in a short space of time. And it's just a matter of being more careful - you'll find your work will produce much better results. More of the good stuff! Cheers, St★lwart 09:13, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Merle Norman

I have some real misgivings about this. The article has one reference, which shows that the company exists, but doesn't verify most of the text. The claim for notability rests on the 2000 stores, but there is no source for this. There are no other facts, such as number of employees or turnover, but a good deal of puffery, Over the course of its 80 years in business, the company has maintained a "try before you buy" sales technique... The Company is still family-owned and Chairman Jack Nethercutt II is founder Merle Norman's great-nephew...

I'll restore for now, since you have tried to improve it, but I think it needs further work to be credible Jimfbleak - talk to me? 08:59, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Jim. The article is still a mess and needs more work. But I didn't think it was an appropriate candidate for immediate speedy deletion. Appreciate the chance to work on it a bit. Happy for it to go to AfD if it can't be saved. St★lwart 09:15, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

My apologies

I would like to apologize to you as you are right, I did blow the discussion out of proportion. For that, I'm really sorry. I know I don't have the right to be placing this on your talk page because of my revert from my talk page as you tried to advise me in good faith. I hope in the near future that we as editors will much understanding. Cheers! — JudeccaXIII (talk) 23:33, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

JudeccaXIII, I appreciate the apology and I certainly don't mind you leaving a note here. Your capacity to contribute thoughtful opinion to discussions is obviously far greater when you've had a chance to think about things for a few minutes and to craft a meaningful response. Keep calm and keep up the good work. St★lwart 00:55, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Seasonal Greets!

Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2015 !!!

Hello Stalwart111, May you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New year 2015. Happy editing, JudeccaXIII (talk) 21:47, 19 December 2014 (UTC) Spread the love by adding {{subst:Seasonal Greetings}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.

Note

Hi Stalwart

Compliment of the season to you! I am here to build an encyclopedia and not for a war with any editor. We both participated in this AfD. See this personal attack thereafter. Thanks! Wikic¤l¤gy 21:22, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Wikicology - thanks for letting me know. His comments at AFD were almost enough for me to report him then but his comments since are plainly those of someone WP:NOTHERE to contribute constructively. I've started a thread at ANI where you are mentioned (you probably got a ping) but there is no need for you to comment if you would rather avoid the "war". St★lwart 23:15, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Cheers! Wikic¤l¤gy 23:58, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pinging me at the ANI thread. However, I don't plan on becoming involved in that discussion unless my opinion is asked or my G4 deletion becomes an issue (in either case, please ping me again). Happy editing! – Philosopher  23:28, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Philosopher - I pinged you as a courtesy (because one of the comments was on your talk page) but I won't call on you to respond or otherwise participate in that thread. I can't see a need. He has already been blocked for 24 hours and I'll be suggesting that be expanded upon. I doubt it will come up but if it does, my view will remain that your deletion was well within policy and absolutely the right thing to do. No concerns (quite the opposite) about your admin actions in this instance. Keep up the great work! St★lwart 04:08, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. – Philosopher  22:26, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

Vanamonde93 (talk) 10:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

A curious Inquiry

Hello Stalwart, hope this note finds you well. From my angle, I do not have any issue with you and I will like to keep it that way throughout my time on Misplaced Pages. I noticed that you said I personally attacked you on the WP talkpage. I am just curious to know where I made that attack, the only strange word I used in addressing you was the "adjective" "F**k**g", if I am not wrong, "f*****g" is generally not regarded as an insult in most western nations and is used before most words, my question is: Do you regard the f word as an insult? or did I make any other personal attack at you? If you will not like to interact with me anymore on Misplaced Pages, feel free to delete/ignore this comment, and I will respect your decision. PS: Please don't digress into my personal attack on another editor here (I have gotten over that already and accepted the block in good faith) because no one on Misplaced Pages fully knows all that is involved in that case and are just acting based on information on Misplaced Pages which is quite understandable, besides it will be even be wrong to talk about that editor on your talk page however there is no legitimate excuse for personal attacks on Misplaced Pages. Regards. Darreg (talk) 08:11, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

You personally attacked four editors, two on that talk page (myself included), one in the AFD and one on another talk page. None of your editing actions suggest you are here to build an encyclopaedia and I'm sure your attitude will get you blocked indefinitely eventually. As I said at ANI, I couldn't care less about the language - it just suggests someone incapable of making intelligent arguments who has to resort to profanity. St★lwart 09:57, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Really??? I did not know you were informed enough to make those deductions on my behalf? If I can travel across Nigeria to take pictures of notable places then donate them exclusively to Misplaced Pages and also create 200+ articles for a Wikiproject that I do not believe in then I must be either incredibly jobless or just ignorantly dramatic to do that. I expected you to concentrate more on the issue at hand (Which you tried doing in your opening sentence) instead of making some broad conclusions. I appreciate the reply though! Regards. #MerryXmas #NewYearNewThings #GoodbyeForever Darreg (talk) 14:22, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

If you have to defend good work with bad words and unintelligent drivel then you devalue your own good work. You've seen fit to trumpet your ignorance on your own talk page. Your ignorance is your business. St★lwart 05:25, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Bulgarian electoral code referendum

Hi Stalwart111: Per your recent participation at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Bulgarian electoral code referendum, check out Talk:Elections in Bulgaria#Merge proposal. NorthAmerica 21:55, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that NA1K! St★lwart 22:08, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Deleted comments

Hi Starlwart111, we have agreed with Mounir to delete our comments as a matter of cordiality, and I think in the best interest of all. Could you please not restaure them ? Best,--Acrithène (talk) 12:37, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

No, Acrithène, you're refactoring a discussion which includes participation by more people than just you and he. It leaves an incomplete record of the discussion for future reference and leaves comments in place as if they were responding to other comments - effectively changing the meaning of other people's comments. I'm glad you've come to an agreement about things but that doesn't change the record there. St★lwart 13:14, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

I understand Starlwart111, but there is only one other comment answering my own comment, and it is yours. I will accept your decision, but would you consider as a favor the withdrawal of all comments (including your one line answer if you'd like). I am pretty sure that there must be some kind of guideline about comment that reveal other user's real life idendity. And I am sure that you understand that suppressing this discussion represents a completely insignificant damage to the Encyclopedia (and will not change the outcome of the decision) while representing significant benefits for people involved. So again, I understand that you are formally right, will accept your decision, but kindly ask for a favor.--Acrithène (talk) 13:27, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Acrithène, WP:OUTING is an entirely different story. I can't see the "agreement" you have with the other editor (it doesn't appear to be on Misplaced Pages anywhere unless you each have other accounts) but if they have or have tried to "out" you then their comments should be removed and they should be reported. That's completely unacceptable. But the broken English discussion makes that hard to recognise and deleting comments while leaving others makes even less sense. St★lwart 22:05, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

So am I untitled to delete his comment and my answer to his comment because he reveals my name ? This would not break any discussion.--Acrithène (talk) 23:23, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

If he has then we'll need to do more than delete those comments. It might still break the discussion but personal privacy is far more important than any technical discussion protocol. St★lwart 00:12, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Which wasn't to say you should go ahead and do it, but I'll sort it out with an admin. St★lwart 00:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Ok thanks. I am sorry, I used to be a wikipedia contributor on the French version between 2004 and 2007, a time and place where the protocol was more Far West type.--Acrithène (talk) 00:55, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Civility

I pride myself on being very civil, and I think that I have been with everything I've done here these past 3 1/2 months. But the kind of behaviour I've been subjected to today is beyond a joke, and your behaviour has made it that much worse. If you want to talk civilly, talk on this page. If you write anything like the kind of thing you wrote on my talk page, I am just going to delete it. I am pretty sure that Misplaced Pages has a policy about that somewhere. I'll talk to people who are polite, like Mashae. If you want to demonstrate that you are polite, then demonstrate it here. If not, then I won't respond to you. Thank you. KrampusC (talk) 09:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

I helped you to close a discussion you wanted closed and (kindly) advised you that others had considered what you had written to be a personal attack. You can choose not to see it that way but you are the only one. Nothing about my "behaviour" has done anything but help you. If you're on a self-destructive hate-the-world streak then that's your business but you should re-read some (or all) of what you've written today - you're not helping yourself. St★lwart 10:13, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year Stalwart111!

Stalwart111,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. NorthAmerica 02:06, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Backdoor canvas

Please feel free to improve Misplaced Pages:Backdoor canvass as you see fit. NE Ent 17:41, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

No worries. I'll start by un-hiding my additions. Feel free to remove whatever you don't think is appropriate. St★lwart 22:39, 4 January 2015 (UTC)