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Asexuality article

I reverted you here and here for a valid reason. Tumblr is not a WP:Reliable source; stop adding it to the Asexuality article. Also do not change words that are supported by the text to neologisms; per WP:Neologism, Misplaced Pages does not take kindly to neologisms. If you continue to edit the Asexuality article WP:Disruptively, engaging in WP:Edit warring or not, you will be WP:Blocked. Flyer22 (talk) 22:05, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Very sorry indeed; no offense intended. Thanks for fixing the article, and for letting me know Tumblr isn't kosher; I'll see if I can find a third-party peer-reviewed.

If Bogaert uses the antonym "sexuals" (I don't know if he does, I don't have access to the study), of course we should use it in that paragraph too. I'm a little surprised WP considers "allosexual" a neologism, even though it's been used in peer-reviewed papers since at least 2000, and has spawned derivative terms like "allonormativity", but the MoS definition is clearly on your side.

Again, sorry, and thanks for being patient with a new Wikipedian. FourViolas (talk) 22:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

I know that I'm replying late to the above and to this, but because I often deal with WP:Sockpuppets, I am often wary of newly registered editors who show inside knowledge of editing Misplaced Pages; to very experienced Misplaced Pages editors such as myself, your contributions show you not to be completely new to editing Misplaced Pages. They do show you to be somewhat new, however, like the Asexuality article matter. I also tend to be wary of WP:Activism editors; see what I stated here. Do try not to take a WP:Activism approach with your editing. As for what you stated above, I appreciate that you stopped adding the material, reverted yourself here, read the guidelines and perhaps the policies, and that you want to improve on your Misplaced Pages editing. I know that I came off a little harsh above, but an editor who keeps reverting without valid cause can be frustrating, and I wanted you to immediately get the point regarding Misplaced Pages's sourcing standards.

Since I currently have your user page/talk page on my WP:Watchlist, there is no need for you to let me know on my talk page that you have replied here at your talk page. Flyer22 (talk) 00:12, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks again. I'm not a SP (I promise), although I'm flattered you think my copy-paste-tweak skills amount to "inside knowledge". I'm just a rookie who wanted to know what "allonormative" meant and was annoyed WP wouldn't tell me. Your appropriate scolding prompted me to do a lot of homework on WP's intent and policies. On reflection, I'm glad to know WP is defended against well-meaning but over-bold editors as well as vandals and axe-grinders. FourViolas (talk) 04:19, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

It's not any "copy-paste-tweak skills" that caused me to tag you in my mind as someone who has edited Misplaced Pages before editing as FourViolas, whether you are a WP:Sockpuppet or not. It's the fact that you signed your username in your first edit to a talk page, something that the vast majority of WP:Newbies don't initially do unless they are a WP:Student editor, you referred to the WP:MOS in this edit (how would you know that something is "un-MoSsy" at that point?), and, in this edit, you used "copyedit" terminology. It's simply highly unlikely that someone who is completely new to editing Misplaced Pages would edit in those ways. But whatever the case, you have been editing in a WP:Good-faith manner, and there is no need to explain yourself to me on whether you edited Misplaced Pages for some time as an IP address or otherwise. Flyer22 (talk) 05:10, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

LOL, and regarding this, I did think you were giving me too much credit with the "coaching" bit. Flyer22 (talk) 05:17, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I can see how you'd think that. All I did was read through the MoS and policies (obviously not carefully enough) when I joined, and I'm still getting the hang of signing.

Sorry about that—I probably should have followed procedure, but it was a minor reconsideration and would have looked passive-aggressive if struck through.

Thanks for your dedication, vigilance, and AGF! FourViolas (talk) 23:42, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Tweaking your comments after someone has replied to them is fine (I do that often), as long as the tweaking doesn't take the replies out of context. Anyway, good luck with editing Misplaced Pages. Flyer22 (talk) 03:23, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Name-calling incident

ok thank you im sorry about what happend — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omerwiki14 (talk • contribs) 05:47, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

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who asked you fourviolas

pinethicket has had some disagreement with my edits its between him and me so keep your big nose out of my business you Christian scum — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.47.54 (talk) 11:44, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

In case anyone has a burning desire to see uninteresting vandalism, the above is i/r/t on Human Evolution.FourViolas (talk) 11:52, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

My article

I was working on my article, sorry for posting it in the wrong place.

But why did you delete it? At least you saved the code? I need it. Fox of Foxes 00:03, 9 November 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JesusDrog (talk • contribs)

See your talk page. FourViolas (talk) 03:13, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

thank you

thank you for your comment, logic dictates your opinion is as important as anyones ( on a side note apparently Mali has gotten into the act. Besides the 4-6 deaths now there are 39 suspected cases (its where it says "telecharger" in the middle its in French). It looks like this has no end in sight. good luck--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 14:04, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Bien sûr, merci pour votre volontarisme formidable. WP is lucky to have you!

This outbreak is disheartening in many ways, from the developed world's short-sighted neglect over the past few decades to our present selfish hysteria ("Africa, whatever, as long as it doesn't come here"). I'm glad we have good editors spending good info one click from the main page. Best wishes for friendly editing, FourViolas (talk) 14:25, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Useful next projects

Hi FourViolas. It's nice to meet you too, and kudos for your good work on Somatics! Regarding your query about useful next projects, there are so many opportunities! Lately I've been focused on making ballet understandable to the masses by explaining things in layman's terms and adding images (e.g., pas de deux, glossary of ballet). I failed miserably, however, in my attempts to do this with Vaganova method which, according to sources, is either a dance style or a training system. Obviously it cannot be both at the same time and therefore must have two distinct meanings, but I've been unable to make this clear in the article in an uncontroversial way. If this is of interest to you, it could be a useful next project. Best regards, Lambtron (talk) 17:23, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Lambtron!

I'll have to keep thinking about it, but I don't really feel like the Vaganova article presents a problem. Although this probably isn't very apparent to non-dancers, I think it can be both a style and a pedagogy. Teaching dance isn't like teaching calculus, where you can explain in different ways but will always end up with the same set of theorems; it's fuzzy and slippery and complicated, and each training system has idiosyncrasies which will show on its students. For example, Vaganova students usually hold their center of gravity all but behind a stable position (to ensure activation of their core muscles), and that has a detectable effect on how pirouettes, for example, are executed.

Does that make sense? I'm trying to say that it's a training style, because it's a set of exercises and technical specifications which can guide a student from novice to professional, but it also counts as a performance style because a trained eye can tell a Vaganova dancer from a Cecchetti. FourViolas (talk) 12:15, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the thoughtful reply, FourViolas. What you say is insightful and makes sense, but it doesn't offer relief from what troubles me about the article: Sources define "Vaganova method" as either a style or a pedagogy, whereas the article defines it as some sort of homogenous "style-pedagogy". A dancer can learn and perform Vaganova style without ever having been exposed to the Vaganova training system. A teacher may employ the Vaganova training method to teach the Vaganova style to dancers. It seems obvious that the training method and performance method are merely cousins -- two different meanings of "Vaganova method" that could (and probably should) be discussed in separate paragraphs. Sorry for venting on you; I'm just frustrated because I've been told more than once that the article is fine as is because style and pedagogy are a single, inseparable topic, as evidenced by a litany of disconnected facts that don't really support that hypothesis. Lambtron (talk) 18:27, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I see what you mean. I agree that it's possible for a dancer to perform Vaganovistically without having gone through classical Vaganova training, and the article should definitely reflect that—if and when we can find a RS. (Dance scholarship is, alas, so spotty that it's hard to avoid WP:OR when editing in this area—most of my work on Somatics is flirting with originality, although I think I dug up good sources for most of it.) Here's an idea: could you find a review which mentions, say, a Mariinsky soloist not trained at the Vaganova Ballet Academy, and expresses admiration for their mastery of Vaganovan performance style despite their lack of V training? That would probably be enough to justify a clarification of the distinction.

Thanks again for your prolific and valuable contributions! FourViolas (talk) 20:18, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

		Happy holidays.
		Best wishes for joy and happiness. to Fourviolas Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 19:34, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Glad to see you're still around and doing good work. FourViolas (talk) 03:05, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Welcome

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Regarding Talk:Senate Intelligence Committee report on CIA torture, you're certainly right about WP:OR - thanks for removing that information.

I also noticed your SAT 2400 userbox. I was a 2400 scorer myself back in high school - I think it was the first year that it was out of 2400 and not 1600. :D Λυδαcιτγ 05:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm enjoying the experience! I'm impressed by how quickly that article has come together, but kind of nervous about how immediately it's being put in the international eye.

Well, I guess now we know we're both three SDs above the median at a bizarre little set of brain games. ;) There's a "Perfect 2400" ubx, too, but I thought that would be too obnoxious.

Have a great day! FourViolas (talk) 12:15, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Redaction at Talk:Incest

Hi FourViolas, just to let you know that I redacted White male, possibly armed's first post at Talk:Incest and subsequently had to revision delete all subsequent posts up until my revert in order to hide its defamatory content. Since this contained a post by you I just wanted to explain that it wasn't because of the content of your post, but because the revision still contained White male's edit. Sorry if you already realised this, just wanted to make sure you knew I wasn't removing your edit for no reason. Cheers, Sam Walton (talk) 22:01, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your diligence! Glad to see you're making good use of your new tools. Happy {subst:midwinter festival of your choice}! FourViolas (talk) 22:06, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thanks for your advice,I was just somehow angry about the user "Mys 721tx" who put a "Nominated for deletion" on the site of "International Ecological Safety Collaborative Organization",which I edited. He just had some debate with me on Misplaced Pages Chinese and forbade me to edit by using his authority on wikipedia Chinese, so that he came to Misplaced Pages English, try to delete this related site I edited.

If you have the authority on wikipedia English, plaease help me to check this site, Thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Donny Young (talk • contribs) 21:20, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello, User:Donny Young! Let's see what I can do for you. I'm very sorry if you feel upset about User:Mys 721tx; I don't know enough Chinese to understand your talk page in detail, but copyright violations must be treated carefully because Misplaced Pages can't afford to hire lawyers to defend it in case it gets sued.

I think it would be against the WP:Canvassing policy for me to contribute to the deletion discussion, but I'll give you the best advice I can. The standard you have to meet is the general notability guideline: has the topic received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject? That is, has any source known to maintain good standards of accuracy given it more than a passing mention? If you can show this to be true, you're allowed to use the organization's own information for the bulk of the article, as you already have. The article appears to be well-written, other than its lack of references to independent reliable sources to indicate notability.

Thank you, and welcome! On WP, please place new messages below older ones, and sign your name by typing "~~~~" at the end. FourViolas (talk) 05:06, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Mary Cannon

Excellent work. I took the liberty of adding categories - please add any more you see fit.

By the by, the viola is probably my favorite of the string family. Beautiful instrument...grossly misunderstood and sadly underutilized. (I really can't think of any concertos for it that I enjoy, save possibly one.)

Keep up the good work, and happy editing!--Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 06:09, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! I'm flattered—I'm new to WP, but had already noticed your prolificacy and celebrity. I thought I'd forgotten something, but I didn't know what; those categories look great.

There are a decent number of Baroque and early-Classical viola concertos (Telemann, Stamitz, Hoffmeister), but then there's a dreary, violin-dominated drought until 20th-century composers like Hindemith start taking the viola seriously again. If your tastes fall in the Romantic interlude, there are practically no concertos, although I can point you to some lovely viola-solo works like the Bruch Romanze and Glazunov elegy.

Thanks for your kind words! FourViolas (talk) 18:34, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

You're quite welcome. Thank you for yours as well. (I'm a celebrity? Get me out of...er, who knew? :-) )

I must confess to not being a big fan of Hindemith in general. (Too prickly for me, I'm afraid.) I'm a Romantic at heart, and I do love some neo-Romantic stuff as well. The one contemporary concerto I rather like is by Paul Schoenfield - it's available on Naxos, if you ever want to give it a listen. And I'd forgotten, but there's an excellent pair of sonatas by Lino Liviabella that I discovered on a disc with some Nino Rota - gorgeous pieces, well-worth a look if you know someone who's looking for obscure rep to perform. I'm not sure if scores are available online, but at least there are recordings... --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 01:20, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Hindemith certainly is prickly. I've always thought his music sounds unappetizing on recordings, but uncurls to reveal a surprisingly tender, fuzzy underbelly in concert.

Thanks for telling me about those wonderful pieces! The Liviabella sonate made my day. You might be interested in an album I was given recently, English Music for Viola, on which Paul Coletti plays Clarke, Britten's Elegy, Vaughan Williams' Romance, and some rarer works. FourViolas (talk) 04:57, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Oooooooh, the Clarke. How could I forget that one? It's one of my favorite twentieth-century chamber works. And I do love Hyperion - I shall have to look for it.

I have developed, of late, an interest in twentieth-century Italian instrumental music, orchestral and chamber, and have found quite a bit available on recordings. The Liviabella is from Tactus, which does fine work in that arena. (Lots of Italian salon music, too - I have a number of their discs.) I'm waiting on a couple of things from Naxos as part of my after-Christmas present - the complete chamber works of Respighi and Riccardo Pick-Mangiagalli, about whom I know very little. We'll see how those turn out... --Ser Amantio di Nicolao_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 06:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

May I echo the words of Ser Amantio and thank you for your excellent work. It is a pleasure to see a user whose first biography on WP is as good as that – certainly it is much better than my first efforts. Did you know that you can add articles to more than one WikiProject? I have added the Biography and Pyschology projects and added assessments on the talk page; while shorter than many C class articles, it is well sourced etc. so in my opinion it merits it.

Have you considered nominating the article for Misplaced Pages:Did you know? This is a good way to get more people, readers and editors alike, to see it, and with a "hook" like did you know that Mary Cannon's research group found that one-fifth of Irish 11- to 13-year-olds have experienced "auditory hallucinations"?, I think it would be successful.

Also, as a viola player, I'm glad to meet some other people who actually appreciate it :) BethNaught (talk) 19:24, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate your help. I wouldn't have known to add those WProjects or nominate it at DYK. I gave the nomination a try to see what happens.

Maybe we should get together in an Evil Viola Cabal, and replace all biographies of living violinists with violin jokes! (Kidding, of course.) Thanks again! FourViolas (talk) 22:28, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again for your help and suggestions! The DYK certainly did attract eyes, and some useful tweaks, too. On to the next scientist! FourViolas (talk) 04:10, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanls. Werong wiki; should have been cywiki! 2.26.199.223 (talk) 15:34, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Oh! Thank you for your contributions. I failed to recognize your edit summary as Welsh, so I didn't understand what you were trying to do. Cael diwrnod gwych! FourViolas (talk) 15:40, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Aishah Rahman

Hi I am Aishah's daughter and I wanted to update her page as she passed on Dec. 29th 2014. The on-line NY Times obit is coming out tomorrow. Can I add the source then?

Rubesy (talk) 22:13, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm so sorry for your loss. Your mother seems to have been a wonderful person.

Yes, the NYT is an excellent source. You can use the news-citing template surrounded by "<ref>....</ref>" to place it in the article after the information it substantiates. The obituary will probably be a good source for other information, such as her awards and biography, and the following sources are also reliable enough: the Times review of "Chewed Water", her entry in the Concise Oxford Companion to African American Literature, and this snippet from the Gettysburg College News.

One last note: WP users can be mistrustful of, or even unkind to, editors who have a direct personal interest in a topic they edit. We don't want Misplaced Pages to sound like advertising. However, if you keep close to what the sources say and avoid promotional language (as you have been—good job!), you shouldn't have any problems.

Please let me know if I can help with anything else. I might take a look at the article later and tweak it a little. Again, I extend my sympathies to you and your family. FourViolas (talk) 23:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Talkback

– Gilliam (talk) 23:05, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Mary Cannon

On 21 January 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Mary Cannon, which you recently created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Dr. Mary Cannon's research group found that more than one-fifth of Irish 11- to 13-year-olds have experienced "auditory hallucinations"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Cannon. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Harrias 03:19, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much for your lovely and warm welcome message on my talk page; I really appreciate it Infan8 (talk) 18:00, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

You're very welcome, Infan8! You're already doing great work as what we call a "WikiGnome" in an area which needs people like you. Articles related to popular culture often receive help from users who have more enthusiasm than respect for the finer points of our style guide, so it's great that you're helping to polish things up. You might be interested in joining a topic-specific group, such as WikiProject Hip Hop, for to-do suggestions.

Again, welcome, and please do talk to me if you have any questions or concerns. Happy editing! FourViolas (talk) 21:04, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

@FourViolas: It's like you know me too well yeah I'm interested in that WikiProject Hip Hop; thanks for passing it on to me; how do I sign up for it? Infan8 (talk) 21:50, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Aw, shucks—I just glanced through your contributions. WP:WikiProjects are pretty informal: you can "join" just by working from WP:HH's to-do list or talking with other members on its talk page. If you create a user page, you can add "{{User hip hop wikiproject}}" to display a userbox to make your affiliation known. FourViolas (talk) 22:08, 21 January 2015 (UTC)