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:::More to the point, where is the reliable, neutral source for his alleged conversion in the first place? --] (]) 18:06, 7 October 2014 (UTC) :::More to the point, where is the reliable, neutral source for his alleged conversion in the first place? --] (]) 18:06, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

== Much of the text fails to conform to the three basic article policies: (1) no original research, (2) neutral point of view, and (3) verifiability. ==

After an extensive exchange NeilN and I agree that we have come to an impasse.

Please see the exchange here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:NeilN#Alexander_Litvinenko

Can someone please help? Thanks. ] (]) 07:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)tikva2009

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Hollywood film about Litvinenko.

There were plans to make a film about him. Seems like there is no mention of him in article and now I heard it's canceled.

Since I'm not his fan I'm not going to spend my time on this, but I will give a link to the news on Russian source for editors with other views on him. http://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?cl4url=www.gazeta.ru%2Fnews%2Fculture%2F2009%2F10%2F05%2Fn_1410702.shtml. --Oleg Str (talk) 10:04, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Changes made to article

Despite Talk:Alexander_Litvinenko/Archive_3#Current_edits, Talk:Alexander_Litvinenko/Archive_3#Comparing_of_articles and other threads within Archive 3, there were still massive problems with the article, including the removal of sourced information (such as Litvinenko moonlighting for Berezovsky, date of flight from Turkey, etc), POV-headings ("Persecution" as opposed to the now neutral "Dismissal from the FSB", etc), and a heap of other general fixes which were made many months ago, but reverted by Biophys, a version which takes into account those problems, and also edits made by subsequent editors, has been introduced. Please remember that removal of sourced, NPOV information from articles is frowned upon, and that discussion should be held before removal of information. --Russavia 23:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

It also needs to be noted that much of the information re-introduced into the article is information which Biophys has himself agreed should be present (as per talk), but has removed from the article with his September '09 revert to his favoured version. We can't allow Misplaced Pages to be used as a vehicle for advocacy or anything like that, and all POV need to be presented in articles, not just one POV. --Russavia 17:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

LEAKED CABLE

C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 HAMBURG 000085

SIPDIS SIPDIS

EO 12958 DECL: 12/19/2016 TAGS KCRM, PTER, EAIR, PINR, PINS, KNNP, RS, GM, UK SUBJECT: HAMBURG POLICE TRACK POLONIUM TRAIL

HAMBURG 00000085 001.2 OF 002

CLASSIFIED BY: Duane Butcher, Consul General, Consulate General Hamburg, State. REASON: 1.4 (b)

¶1. (SBU) Summary: Hamburg State Police (LKA) confirmed December 14 that Dmitry Kovtun had left positive traces of polonium 210 in Hamburg prior to his departure from Hamburg for London on November 1. A senior official in the Federal Interior Ministry in Berlin also confirmed the reports and noted the ongoing investigation. Hamburg police continue to examine where Kovtun was and what he did while in Germany, but are not yet able to confirm if Kovtun was transporting polonium or if he had been contaminated through contact with the substance prior to his arrival in Hamburg on October 28. End Summary.

¶2. (SBU) Pol/Econ Off and FSN Investigator met Hamburg LKA Criminal Investigation Department (CID) Officer and director of this special investigation Thomas Menzel December 14. Menzel, who is also Director of the Hamburg LKA Organized Crime Unit, explained that the Hamburg investigation started because officers on his team drawing from press reports recognized a connection between the Litvinenko case and the flight from Hamburg to London and began to investigate whether Kovtun or Andrei Lugovoi had been in Hamburg. They discovered that Kovtun was a registered resident at the multi-family building at Erzberger Strasse 4 in Hamburg’s Ottensen neighborhood and that he had flown to Hamburg on October 28 on an Aeroflot flight from Moscow. Menzel reported Hamburg authorities are working closely with the Federal Office of Criminal Investigation (BKA) and is receiving assistance from the Federal Central Support Unit and the Federal Office of Radiation Protection. Menzel stated that Stuart Goodwin from Scotland Yard has been in Hamburg since December 12 and that cooperation between the British and Hamburg police has been excellent. While the BKA and various German agencies are involved in the investigation, Menzel confirmed that Hamburg is leading the inquiry.

¶3. (SBU) The investigation’s main focus is to uncover Kovtun’s whereabouts between October 28 and November 1 and to discover any polonium-contaminated sites in the Hamburg region. Menzel reported that the investigation has revealed:

  • Kovtun arrived in Hamburg October 28 on the Aeroflot flight from Moscow and was picked up from the airport in a BMW. He spent that night at the apartment of Marina Wall, his Russian/German ex-wife, at Erzberger Strasse 4. Kovtun has two apartments in the Erzberger Strasse building, his ex-wife’s residence and another apartment. Neighbors told police that he had not used the second apartment for years and it has been rented to other tenants. Wall’s apartment has tested positive for polonium.
  • On October 29, Kovtun spent the night at a house in Haselau outside of Hamburg, which is where police found the BMW. Both the Haselau residence and the BMW are contaminated with polonium.
  • On October 30, Kovtun kept an appointment with the Office of Foreigner Registration in Hamburg-Altona, where he signed a document. His signature has tested positive for radiation. After visiting several locations in Hamburg, including a restaurant and gambling hall, Kovtun spent the night at the home of an Italian acquaintance on Kieler Strasse in Hamburg. None of these locations have tested positive for polonium.
  • Kovtun again spent the night of October 31 at Wall’s apartment on Erzberger Strasse. He departed by taxi for the airport early on November 1 and flew to London on the 6:40 am GermanWings flight.

¶4. (SBU) Menzel said the investigation is looking into several unanswered questions. Hamburg police are trying to discover whether Kovtun visited Hamburg prior to October 28 and where he was between November 1 and the date he arrived in Moscow. They are also looking into whether Lugovoi or any of the other individuals involved in the Litvinenko case have been to Hamburg in the recent past and have requested airlines to review their passenger lists. Other remaining questions concern whether there are any further contaminated locations in Hamburg or other parts of Germany. Investigators hope to find out more about Kovtun as an individual - what he did for a living, what his personal background was, and whether he had worked at the Russian Consulate in Hamburg in the past. Finally, Menzel was curious about a possible Italian connection to the Litvinenko HAMBURG 00000085 002.2 OF 002 case and noted that Kovtun had met with an Italian national in Hamburg and that Italians played a role in the London investigation as well.

¶5. (C) Federal Interior Minister Deputy DG for Counterterrorism Gerhard Schindler discussed the status of the German investigation during a meeting on other topics with EMIN December 14. Schindler explained German officials retraced Kovtun’s steps to and from his ex-wife’s home in Hamburg. Schindler said Kovtun left polonium traces on everything he touched - vehicles, objects, clothes, and furniture. German investigators concluded Kovtun did not have polonium traces on his skin or clothes; Schindler said the polonium was coming out of his body, for example through his pores. German authorities had tested the German Wings airplane that had taken Kovtun from Hamburg to London; no traces of polonium were found. Germany had wanted to test the Aeroflot plane that flew Kovtun to Germany, and had prepared to ground it upon its next arrival in Germany. Schindler said Russian authorities must have found out about German plans because “at the last minute” Aeroflot swapped planes; Schindler said he did not expect Aeroflot to fly the other plane to Germany any time soon.

¶6. (U) This message has been coordinated with Embassy Berlin. BUTCHER —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.192.18.99 (talk) 16:38, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

I took the action of correcting the formatting for the above cable. This cable was released on Dec. 1 at Wikileaks. It basically removes any doubt that Kovtun poisoned Litvinenko, IMO. I added a sentence about this to the article; I would be surprised if the mainstream news doesn't pick this up soon with more analysis. -- Kevin Saff (talk) 17:43, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Another relevant cable:

¶6. (S) Fried commented that the short-term trend inside Russia was negative, noting increasing indications that the UK investigation into the murder of Litvinenko could well point to some sort of Russian involvement. MGM called attention to Chirac’s statement encouraging the Russians to cooperate in the investigation. He wondered aloud who might have given the order, but speculated the murder probably involved a settling of accounts between services rather than occurring under direct order from the Kremlin. Fried, noting Putin’s attention to detail, questioned whether rogue security elements could operate, in the UK no less, without Putin’s knowledge. Describing the current atmosphere as strange, he described the Russians as increasingly self-confident, to the point of arrogance.

-- Kevin Saff (talk) 19:25, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

A Guardian article on this at -- Kevin Saff (talk) 19:47, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Agree. There are other publications about this . They should probably be described better in this article. Biophys (talk) 23:32, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Small changes

Hi. I guess I should jump on here. I am making quite a few changes, but no content has been removed. Edits have been minor, ie - sentence restructuring. I am new. Please feel free to undo anything I've done. Very interesting article. Thanks to all contributors. Albeit27 (talk) 01:29, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Adding in irrelevant information about Berezovsky

I understand that some users here have a specific agenda of spreading negative information about certain living persons, but it doesn't automatically mean that same exact information should be copy-pasted onto each article that mentions the word "Berezovsky", especially if the particular information is strictly related to describing Berezovsky himself and has little relevance to other people (in this particular case, to Alexander Litvienko). Soo... don't do that ;-)98.116.120.85 (talk) 05:16, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Allegiance

His Allegiance was not to the FSB, but to the British government, as he was UK spy. Why is this not reflected in the "allegiance" tab on his biography? He was not loyal to the Russian government or people, betraying both. 2602:306:C475:A790:B095:C27B:EEE3:63E8 (talk) 04:27, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Comment

I do not see too much recent work here. This page needs attention of someone familiar with the subject. I made a few quick obvious fixes... My very best wishes (talk) 06:10, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

on Radioactive "Marlboro"

Geleesen in newspapers, on a big rod "Marlboro" cigarettes, this jemmand in office millioner Platon Elenin has forgotten / left. This Marlboro, reportedly was prepared less with radioactive materials. Radioaktieve "Marlboro", supposedly, A. Litvinenko out smokes. WHILE flights in Aer- Bus. And, WHILE investigation was a Diplomant Russia, allegedly poisoned to death. Would, perhaps, possible to supplement this article with info on Sorte this radioactive "Marlboro". It exestieren but different. Thank you.80.201.244.122 (talk) 15:32, 10 July 2013 (UTC) Das ist das übliche Praktik für "Rauchere" vergiftete Zigarete zu zuschmeisen oder verschenken. Wie in London so auch z.B. in Brüssel. Kopfschmerzen, Abmagerung , Übermüdigkeit , - das ist das erste Simptomen.Moncrief1 (talk) 12:00, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Accepting Islam

Shouldn't this be "Conversion to Islam?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.39.8 (talk) 05:30, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Why? What religion did he convert from? If we don't know, and can't verify it, we can't assume he had a religion, let alone guess at which one he might have had. So let's merely say he accepted or embraced Islam. Best regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 12:01, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
More to the point, where is the reliable, neutral source for his alleged conversion in the first place? --Somchai Sun (talk) 18:06, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Much of the text fails to conform to the three basic article policies: (1) no original research, (2) neutral point of view, and (3) verifiability.

After an extensive exchange NeilN and I agree that we have come to an impasse.

Please see the exchange here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:NeilN#Alexander_Litvinenko

Can someone please help? Thanks. Tikva2009 (talk) 07:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)tikva2009

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