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== "Confiscate the valuables of the Jews" == == "Confiscate the valuables of the Jews" ==


{{U|75.108.122.74}} has, four times, added "Actually George Soros admitted in a 60 Minutes interview, he helped to confiscate the valuables of the Jews. He went on to say he had no regrets." sourced to "Soros, George, 60 Minutes Interview with Steve Kroft , 20 Dec 1998,". Not only does this prose lack neutrality, the way it written violates ] and the sourcing is dubious.- ]] 14:55, 22 February 2015 (UTC) {{U|75.108.122.74}} has, five times, added "Actually George Soros admitted in a 60 Minutes interview, he helped to confiscate the valuables of the Jews. He went on to say he had no regrets." sourced to "Soros, George, 60 Minutes Interview with Steve Kroft , 20 Dec 1998,". Not only does this prose lack neutrality, the way it written violates ] and the sourcing is dubious.- ]] 14:55, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

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Citizenship

He was born in Hungary. The article states he is American, but does not say when he gained that status. Was he ever a citizen of the UK? The article would benefit from an account of his citizenship history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.63.20.251 (talk) 04:35, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Kapo

This article should shed light on the stories coming out about Soros' real role in the Holocaust, especially the evidence he might have been a kapo. This story has been picked up by mainstream commentators just as Glenn Beck. The topic has also been subject to investigations by Executive Intelligence Review. So it would be inappropriate to exclude them as being "fringe." Poet of Freedom (talk) 23:01, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

For now I am going to add the category of Nazi collaborator to the article. It is beyond doubt, and even admitted following his 60 Minutes interview:

Kroft: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.
Mr. Soros: Yes. Yes.
Kroft: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.
Mr. Soros: Yes. That's right. Yes.
Kroft: I mean, that's –- that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?
Mr. Soros: Not -– not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't -– you don't see the connection. But it was -– it created no -– no problem at all.
Kroft: No feeling of guilt?
Mr. Soros: No.
Kroft: For example that, 'I'm Jewish and here I am, watching these people go. I could just as easily be there. I should be there.' None of that?
Mr. Soros: Well, of course I c -- I could be on the other side or I could be the one from whom the thing is being taken away. But there was no sense that I shouldn't be there, because that was -- well, actually, in a funny way, it's just like in markets --that if I weren't there -- of course, I wasn't doing it, but somebody else would -- would -- would be taking it away anyhow. And it was the -- whether I was there or not, I was only a spectator, the property was being taken away. So the -- I had no role in taking away that property. So I had no sense of guilt.

Poet of Freedom (talk) 01:22, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

You continue to base accusations against living people on your personal interpretations or those of non-notable, non-reliable sources. To categorize him as a Nazi collaborator, we need actual reliable sources saying he collaborated – watching a crime and failing to intervene is not usually the same as committing the crime – and those sources need to be incorporated into appropriate text in the article. Fat&Happy (talk) 02:23, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Orthodox uncle. Also PhD.

The bit about Soros having an Orthodox Jewish uncle was removed twice today and restored once. I removed it the second time because I could not find any support for the fact except a 2011 biography by Purcell which appears to suffer from WP:CIRCULAR problems.

The factoid (which I think is wrong) was added by an IP editor working from Lake Hopatcong, New Jersey, USA, in the only edit they ever made to Misplaced Pages. (This was in October 2010, when the article talked about Soros earning a bachelor's degree but no doctoral thesis leading to PhD.) The IP editor supplied no reference. I see no reason to respect this uncited assertion, especially in a BLP. The real question is why didn't we catch it for three years?

The CIRCULAR source I noticed when researching the matter is a self-published book by Thomas Purcell: The Return of the Kings: Rise of the New Feudalism. The 2011 book uses almost the exact same wording as our Misplaced Pages article of that time (the version with no PhD). Binksternet (talk) 04:42, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Well, actually the Orthodox description was only removed once and not restored at all, but hey... who's counting? Fat&Happy (talk) 05:15, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
Ah, yes, quite right. Who is counting? :-)
Binksternet (talk) 05:28, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge with George Soros, Breaking the Bank of England

George Soros, Breaking the Bank of England doesn't appear to be notable on it's own, but if the sources are verifiable some of this could be included in the Currency speculation section of this article. Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 15:07, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

  checkY Merger complete. . Content merged from George Soros, Breaking the Bank of England to both here and Black Wednesday, with a redirect placed from George Soros, Breaking the Bank of England to George Soros#Currency speculation. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 14:38, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Removing sourced sections, POV, 'Bush won by large margin'

This edit, in which I removed the portion that stated "Bush won re-election by a large margin", was reverted with the edit summary of "I mean via electoral college, which is how we elect people in the US" seems to indicate the editor(User:Rms125a@hotmail.com) has no idea that the 2004 election was the narrowest re-election ever for an incumbent, nor that my explanation of a 60k vote swing was referring to Ohio, which would have given the election to Kerry. I'm not about to re-argue the 2004 election, but the failure to understand these basic points calls the editors other mass changes to the article into question. This removal of sourced content for example. I believe the editor should explain their reasons here and gain consensus before making substantial changes to this article. Thanks. Dave Dial (talk) 03:59, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

A re-election is still an election. As this link shows, both of Bush's wins were in the top 10 closest U.S. presidential races, but #1 was John F. Kennedy's 1960 win when a suspiciously large number of votes were uncovered in Boss Daley's Chicago, putting the Democrats over the Republicans. All I am trying to point out very clearly is that the subject of this article, was unable to buy that election as he tried to do, and without remotely coming anywhere near exhausting his entire fortune as he had sanctimoniously claimed he was willing to do. More later, after midnight in NYC. Quis separabit? 05:34, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
I'm not going to go through your edits to the page right now, but I suggest you take it easy on this BLP if you feel so strongly against the guy. I wouldn't spend all my monies trying to ensure some politician was defeated if I were that wealthy, but neither you nor I know his reasoning for sure. Only what's reported in reliable sources. On a side note, you are showing you still do not understand the history of presidential elections based on their closeness. The page you point to as the 'Top 10 Closest Presidential Elections' has the 1960 election as the least closest(or #10), not the closest. And I know all about Daly's goons in Chicago stuffing the ballot boxes, as well as the Republicans in south Illinois doing the same thing. The fact is, even without Illinois Kennedy wins the election. Whereas without Ohio in the 2004 Presidential election, Bush loses to Kerry. The closest elections are at the bottom of the page. #1 is in 1876, Hayes 'beats' Tilden by 1 elector vote and loses the popular vote by 3%. #2 is Bush 'beats' Gore by 5 electoral votes and loses the popular vote by .5%. And the #4 closest election was the 2004 re-election of GWB. So not only was it the closest re-election of a sitting President, it was the 4th closest election in US history. I hope you can better understand these fact better in the future. Thanks. Dave Dial (talk) 14:09, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
You're right. I know how Dubya won in 2000, and I was a Democrat back then and extremely upset. However, I guess I didn't realize the 2004 race was as close as you have pointed out. Obviously the pro-Bush vote was substantially larger than it had been in 2000, and I guess in comparing the two and not doing the electoral college math better I missed up. As far as the re-editing -- as broken down below -- I await your opinion (and that of any other editor with good faith). Yours, Quis separabit? 14:40, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
Ok, that's cool. I'm not contesting the edits below, and frankly I don't know that much about Soros. Only that we need to be fair to a BLP. If someone else wants to weigh in, that's fine. I just wanted to make sure we weren't putting in bias or removing something important and sourced. Thanks. Dave Dial (talk) 15:45, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Re-editing breakdown (10/28/14)

OK, I reviewed my edits and reedited. This time, aside from tweaking and tagging, the only things I removed, per se, were these items, which, IMO, are fairly clearly both unsourced and either POV or OR:
  • "Later, the Open Society Institute's programs in Georgia were considered by Russian and Western observers to have been crucial in the success of the Rose Revolution."
  • ===Education and beliefs===

"His philosophical outlook is influenced by Karl Popper, under whom he studied at the London School of Economics (LSE). His Open Society Foundations is named after Popper's two volume work, The Open Society and Its Enemies, and Soros' ongoing philosophical commitment to the principle of fallibilism (that anything he believes may in fact be wrong, and is therefore to be questioned and improved) stems from Popper's philosophy."

Note - his having studied at London School of Economics (LSE) is already included in the article

"Confiscate the valuables of the Jews"

75.108.122.74 has, five times, added "Actually George Soros admitted in a 60 Minutes interview, he helped to confiscate the valuables of the Jews. He went on to say he had no regrets." sourced to "Soros, George, 60 Minutes Interview with Steve Kroft , 20 Dec 1998,". Not only does this prose lack neutrality, the way it written violates WP:BLP and the sourcing is dubious.- MrX 14:55, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

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