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Field of blackbirds

Hi, i have a genuine question. If Kosovo has historically been occupied by Albanians, how is it that they do not have their own name for Kosovo?. The Albanian name, Kossova, is derived from Kosovo which in Serbian means "of blackbirds" and was named after the famous Kosovo Polje, or the "field of blackbirds" where the Serbs were defeated by the Turks in 1389. -ASD (October 2009) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.123.88 (talk) 05:09, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

If I may initiate

This article, as well as Albanians in Kosovo, should have a part, be that in Culture or Religion part attached to it, that the conflicts amongst Albanians and Serbs were never religious. The criminal actions that Milosevic's troops commited over religious sites in Kosovo, or the unrests in march 2004 are not any indication that the people of Kosovo supported them or had religious intolerance towards each other. The source is only amongst some that proves me right. Ilir pz 23:19, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I love how Serbs make up facts & history as they go along and as the need arises. Now it's Masses of Albanian Muslims who "immigrated" into Kosovo. Never mind the fact that Illyrians-Dardanians, and later on their descendants the present day Albanians, were there way before the Slavs invaded in the 6-8th century. But then again what can you expect from a nation whose whole history and national psyche is drenched in propaganda. God help them, for they fail to see how miserably they have failed in every single initiative that they ever took. GD

How is there continuation between Ancient Illyrians and modern-day Albanians? You've got a gap of more than 2,000 years. :S --PaxEquilibrium 11:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes; The majority of Illyrians were assimilated by SLAVS. SO ALbanians are NOT illyrians 'successors' as you like to make up. If anything it is slavs. Albanians are a small minority of Illyrians that remained in the albania region that were not assimilated by slavs.

The Albanians converted to Islam during ottoman times. THey then migrated to Kosovo after many serbs were killed and mistreated by Muslims. LAter in the 19th century, this mistreatment continued, and many left yet again. In contrast Albanians had 12 children per family, and grew like rabbits.

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• http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/kosovo/juka2.htm

Hagiography?

It’s curious to see that there is no images of persons in this article, just Orthodox Church icons. Where is the Serbian people from Kosovo?

Some alteration and addition

Hi,

I changed this sentence:

In total, 156 Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries were destroyed during the unrest in Kosovo.

To this:

In total, 156 Serbian Orthodox churches and monasteries have been destroyed since June 1999.

And I added this:

During the unrest in Kosovo, 35 churches and monasteries were destroyed or seriously damaged.

Alan. --84.71.116.44 22:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Milla Jovovich

Her father was Montenegrin not from kosovo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.72.247 (talk) 22:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

section on famous people?

I'm sorry but this article seems to be completely off base. It is an article about SERBS IN KOSOVO, not an article about the history of Kosovo which takes up most of the articles space. There should be sections added about famous Serbs who came from Kosovo and should in general focus much more on the culture and customs of Serbs from Kosovo rather than the simply the history itself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yugo91aesop (talk • contribs) 19:35, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Deleting section about attacks on Serbs

User:Kedadi is deleting my edits without any good reason and he is not trying to discuss it first. This is your chance to explain yourself. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shanticm (talk • contribs) 01:20, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

• User:ZjarriRrethues What is wrong with you people? why are you deleting my edits...why are you not answer to me on talk page...sources i mentioned like KFOR, Kosovo police force or OSCE are not biased or POV. I think that you can not be without biased. Those things are happening on a daily basis and i think those thing should be mentioned in the article. I know that you do not like those thing to be mentioned but they do happen. Shanticm (talk) 19:59, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

See WP:NOTNEWS, point #4. First of all your edits are badly written (they do not match the WP MOS, compare your edits with the rest of article) and are simply daily news from Serbian sources (only one from OSCE). I'm not saying that such things do not happen but it simply is not encyclopedic material, but more like news headlines. Cheers. kedadial 21:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

point #4 "While news coverage can be useful source material for encyclopedic topics, most newsworthy events do not qualify for inclusion. For example, routine news reporting on things like announcements, sports, or celebrities is not a sufficient basis for inclusion in the encyclopedia." This is relevant material regarding oppresion of an ethnic group mentioned in the article not trivia not sports not celebrity stuff. If my edits do noy match WP MOS then edit it to be matched do not deleted it because you are deleting it because you do not like the truth that Albanians attacks Serbs because they are Serbs. So what if they are Serbian sources? You are implying they are not worthy because they are Serbian sources? Because of that opinion i strongly think that this edit should stay because your attitude it is in accordance of what Albanians are doing to Serbs in Kosovo and mentioned in my edits. If i could find credible source like Albanian as you suggest it i would inlude it but Albanians do not like to report of things so negative to them like those attacks are. This revertion will go indefinetelly. You can not hide the truth or the facts that Serbs are right now oppresed party in Kosovo. Thing hace changed in last 10 years. Albanians turned from oppresed to oppressors. Shanticm (talk) 08:31, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I wish editors would stop trying to er-fight the tragin balkan wars of the 1990s. This is an encylcopaedia not a place for pushing points of view. –– Jezhotwells (talk) 14:22, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Map

This map:

...is incorrect. The Gorani do reside in the far south but they are not a majority, Albanians form a majority there in Dragaš. Evlekis (Евлекис) 17:47, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

You are right, they reside in Dragaš but they are not majority. Cheers. — Kedaditalk 17:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Russian citizenship

Perhaps, someone could elaborate on the news that some of the Kosovo Serbs have requested Russian citizenship? http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-11/15/c_131246605.htm KNewman (talk) 14:29, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Serbian Propoganda

While I understand that this is a very controversial topic, this article, particularly the section on the 1998-1999 war is completely unbalanced and needs to be addressed. I would like to draw attention to the following statements; "After the Dayton Agreement of 1995, the Kosovo Liberation Army started terror against the Serbian civilians and Yugoslav army and police, bombing police stations and government buildings, killing Yugoslav police and innocent people of all nationalities, even Albanians who were not on their side." (Unsourced and opinionated)

"since this was a terror organization it was hard to establish civilians from terrorists" (Opinionated, original research, unsourced and sounds like an attempt to justify ethnic cleansing of Albanians)

"they (the KLA) deliberately wanted civilians to die since this would trigger an international reaction" (Unsourced, Original research, pov)

"When UN-authorities took over administrative power in Kosovo in accordance with UN-Resolution 1244, they later found out that the maximum number of killed in the conflict before NATO bombing was 12,000 people, these were from all of Kosovo's ethnic groups." (Absolutely no mention that the vast majority (around 10,000-11,000) of these were Albanians)

"With the arrival of NATO, a large number of Serbs fled the region, estimated at 100,000 by the UNHCR. Around 120,000 remain in Kosovo and oppose any rule by Albanians." (All unsourced, no mention of the number of Albanians who fled the region due to Serb forces (estimated 863,000 by OSCE, at the very least 500,000)

I hope I do not even have to explain why the "Recent attacks on Serbs in Kosovo" (which should defiantly be mentioned, not in the newspaper-style fashion with which they are reported at the moment), is unencyclopedic. The "2008-present" section is also very dubious, and frankly quite ridiculous, with the only source being a Serbian newspaper. Thannad (talk) 17:40, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

That's why there's a POV tag although that doesn't automatically remove the responsibility of improving the article from the rest of us.--— ZjarriRrethues —  17:47, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, will try to make a few changes. Thannad (talk) 17:49, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Number of refugees

I can understand why some editors want to cite , since it appears to say that there were 250k refugees of which a vast majority were Serbs; but that source is only counting a narrow subset of refugees. Other sources, counting all refugees, yield a much larger number; and the majority of those are Kosovo Albanian, which is hardly surprising considering the widespread campaign of ethnic cleansing by Serb forces. bobrayner (talk) 22:53, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Reverted again. Sooner or later the article will be accurate, just as soon as Serb nationalists stop (or are stopped from) trying to propagate their preferred version of events. Will that be in a day, a week, a year? bobrayner (talk) 10:33, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

I know it may be difficulty, but you should try to understand what i am saying all this time. Articles will be accurate when both versions of POV are presented, ant not when you remove everything YOUDONTLIKE, despite having sources. You are welcomed to add your sources and your POV, but you are not welcomed to hide facts per IDONTLIKEIT. You are also very rude to say to anyone "Serb nationalist", while only your edits constitute anti-national vandalism, and removal of sourced material. You should read WP:DR, WP:NPOVD and WP:NPA, in order to find out what is content dispute, and how to talk to other editors. --WhiteWriter 11:47, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

We're not here to write POV forks. The reality is that a much larger number of refugees fled Kosovo; it is deceptive to deliberately restrict that to a much smaller subset of refugees in order to make it look like Serbs are the victims. You may not agree with reliable sources, but that doesn't mean you can put your own version of reality in the article. bobrayner (talk) 11:58, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

You didnt understand me again. Please, do add content in this article. That is not POV fork, but a neutral approach to the subject. Write down your proposition that will include ALL sources mentioned, and we can agree on the version to use in article! Simple as that, and article will be cleared of edit warring. That is actually a way to solve any dispute on wiki, you know... --WhiteWriter 12:14, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

We're not here to write POV forks. The reality is that a much larger number of refugees fled Kosovo; it is deceptive to deliberately restrict that to a much smaller subset of refugees in order to make it look like Serbs are the victims. You may not agree with reliable sources, but that doesn't mean you can put your own version of reality in the article.

• This source says "approximately three-quarters of a million" refugees fled Serb aggression.
• BBC says "Serb military and paramilitary forces swept through Kosovo in the spring of 1999, forcing 800,000 Kosovo Albanians from their homes".
• NYT says "Since NATO began bombing last week, Serbian atrocities have multiplied and the exodus has increased. One out of three Kosovo Albanians have been chased from their homes, and most of these 600,000 displaced people are headed for the nearest border".
• ucdavis.edu says "By the end of April 1999, about 600,000 residents of Kosovo had become refugees; another 400,000 were displaced inside Kosovo, meaning that half of the two million residents of Kosovo were refugees or internally displaced people ... As they left Kosovo, Serbs reportedly stripped many Kosovars of passports, property deeds and other records".
• CNN says "more than 860,000 people, the vast majority of them ethnic Albanians, have left Kosovo since NATO began its air assault March 24. Many of Kosovo's approximately 1.8 million ethnic Albanians were already displaced before the current exodus".

... and so on. There are lots more sources. However, Whitewriter's version of events is completely different: "Out of 250,000 refugees in the aftermath of the 1999 conflict, an overwhelming majority are Kosovo Serbs."
That's because it's highly selective use of one particular source which is just counting refugees who only left a while after the war, at a time when many Serbs in Kosovo were worried about reprisals. You are entitled to your own beliefs but you are not entitled to your own reality. Will you revert the POV that you put into the article? bobrayner (talk) 11:58, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

You're certainly not stupid, and you've been working on these topics long enough, so you surely know that edit will mislead readers. Will you revert it? bobrayner (talk) 21:34, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Until parts of events and sources about those events are used in their entirety there'll be POV issues i.e. mention everything. Btw the stats need to be updated. Also, I'm (finally) vacationing so expect me to take part in the conversation twiceonce per week or so. A final sidenote: not having to deal with nationalist irrationality every day really makes me much more unwilling to accept as legitimate the doublethink practices that are necessary for nationalist rationale to be used in any context.

--— ZjarriRrethues —  01:43, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: uncontested move. DrKiernan (talk) 09:55, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Serbs of Kosovo → Kosovo Serbs – - Per WP:CommonName. 'Kosovo Serbs' is the common English language phrase used to describe the Serb community/ diaspora of Kosovo.

• Google Books Evidence:
  • "Kosovo Serbs" = 574 Books
  • "Serbs of Kosovo" = 98 Books
• Google Scholar Evidence:
  • "Kosovo Serbs" = 1,850 Journals
  • "Serbs of Kosovo" = 144 Journals
• Google News
  • "Kosovo Serbs" = search results
  • "Serbs of Kosovo" = No results found for "Serbs of Kosovo"

Main stream English language media in the UK, US and Serbia use the term "Kosovo Serbs", here are few examples: BBC, The Guardian, The Telegraph, B92, CNN and Fox News. Even the lead to this article describes them as "Kosovo Serbs", not "Serbs of Kosovo". Then we have the article "Kosovo Serb enclaves".

• Conclusion - "Kosovo Serbs" is the Common Name used for the Serb Community/ Diaspora of Kosovo. IJA (talk) 07:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

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Total number

Some infobox numbers aren't referenced.So population in Serbia practically isn't referenced (the link is broken or invalid) ,also the total population isn't referenced.Can someone provide a reference to the total number.If not ,I have to put the total number as the total sum of populations in Serbia+Kosovo. Rolandi+ (talk) 18:45, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Is that number unreliable? If not, why would you edit it? Your behaviour is disruptive. Why do you insist on the 2011 Census in Kosovo numbers when it is a fact that it was largely boycotted by Serbs? If there are 205,835 Kosovo Serbs living in Serbia, and ca. 100,000 in Kosovo, that number gives ca. 300,000. The numbers for other countries has not been added (Montenegro and Bosnia has a notable number of displaced Kosovo Serbs as well).--Zoupan 19:22, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

OK,just provide a reference about the numbers in Montenegro+Bosnia. "The numbers for other countries has not been added (Montenegro and Bosnia has a notable number of displaced Kosovo Serbs as well)" ---so the numbers in Bosnia+ Montenegro are decided by you?????? Rolandi+ (talk) 19:28, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Ethnic cleaning

Nacionalist media is not reliable source, doesn't mention kosovo with its official name .It has also comments ,so it is just a blog.There are some nacionalist comments that makes it clear that it isn't a serious Source. Rolandi+ (talk) 11:24, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

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