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:For example one of the recent studies on the subject ] by experts Joachim Matzinger and Stefan Schumacher concluded that "Albanian and Illyrian have little or nothing in common".] (]) 20:22, 4 July 2015 (UTC) :For example one of the recent studies on the subject ] by experts Joachim Matzinger and Stefan Schumacher concluded that "Albanian and Illyrian have little or nothing in common".] (]) 20:22, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

It says"Although the two men are simply studying 17th and 18th-century Albanian texts in order to compile a lexicon of verbs, their innocent-sounding work has stirred hot debate among Albanian linguists"
In the 17th and 18th centuary albanian language has been turkified,has borrowed foreign elements.
The most important thing is that the other theories about albanians are at the albanian origin article.This article isn't about thracs,dacians or mysians.
also why did you call the theory of albanians coming from illyrians as "Supposed"?Isn't this POV pushing?Answear my questions ,don't send your socks to help you,because they can't help your fairy tales. ] (]) 11:16, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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POV-pushing

This edit is clear POV-pushing. It aims to inform the world that Albanian descends from Illyrian, period. Whereas as countless sources tell us, not enough is known about the Illyrian language to make a definite conclusion. It is entirely possible that Illyrian descends from Thracian or Dacian. Athenean (talk) 19:11, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Not to argue against your edit, if the other wasn't well-supported by a cite, but as a general matter what language Illyrian itself descended from sheds very little light on which languages in turn descended from it.  — LlywelynII 19:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Pronunciation

It's an awful thing to have pronunciation guides in the already overcrowded lede (and the Greek still needs transcription per the MOS), especially since there's an entire Wiktionary for material like that and the modern pronunciation of Illyrian is perfectly straightforward.

At the very least, include the correct pronunciation. /ɪˈlɪəriəns/ would be the pronunciation of some word spelt "Iliurians"; this group of people is pronounced /ɪˈliriənz/.  — LlywelynII 19:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Apparently a few of the British dictionaries do use that as their guide (although it's hard to understand why even a British accent would add the extra vowel). Rather than begin including listing of regional pronunciations, better to move that to Wiktionary. Will do.  — LlywelynII 19:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

ENGVAR

Per this edit, the usage (albeit not pronunciation ;) ) for this page was established as British English. Kindly maintain it consistently.  — LlywelynII 20:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Recent changes

Although the recent edits were clearly into wp:pov & wp:point territory (fringe theories about authochtony scenarios etc), some additional opinions might be a good idea especially in the Hellenistic & Roman period.Alexikoua (talk) 08:21, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Per this Talk:Illyrians#Map.2C_continued, I've restored the concensus map. I will appreciate if childish reverts on rejected maps are avoided.Alexikoua (talk) 09:02, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

According to the Lausitz theory, I found that the Brygi were proposed as the bearers of this culture ].Alexikoua (talk) 10:01, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

After carefully studying this subject, it appears certain that the Lausitz connection with Illyrians isn't an widely accepted view in western bibliography], adopted mostly by outdated sources.Alexikoua (talk) 15:05, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Its called historiography, where theories past and present are presented in chronological sequence. It doens't mean that the lausitz theory is the main theory, in fact, the pargraph clearly states it is not. A definition of historiography can be found here . And btw, 'archaeology cultures' can be linked to more than one peoples. As the paragraphs higlihgts, notions of migrations of Nordic "Lausitz' and "Urnfield" peoples toward the Balkans, variously linked to Illyrians and/or Brygians was a common theme in the ealry-mid 20th century, now largely discredited - as the paragraph states. So what exactly do you have an issue with ? It appears you misuderstood what you read there. In fact any casual and straightforward linking between material cultres and historic tribes is by and large rejected by current western scholars. For simple, introductory -level insights into this, I suggest you research on primordialism vs constructionism on google Books. There are great many books out there these days. EG Sian Jones- 'The Archaeology of Ethnicity" .
And Foreward to the past is a book focussing on thr Balts. Any treatment regarding Illyrians there would be peripheral, and it thus hardly constitutes an athouritative source on the Illyrians. Slovenski Volk (talk) 03:57, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Situla from Vače

quote: " In Slovenia, the Vače situla was discovered in 1882 and attributed to Illyrians" The situla from Vače is attributed to Venetic people, not Illyrians — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.182.78.108 (talk) 12:38, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Albanian ethnic continuity

It appears that a new barrage of disruption is in full scale. I assume that a decent explanation of this ] is needed. To be precise, it's about this part:

From remaining Illyrians that resisted assimilation, emerged new Albanian ethnos..

However, in general the supposed Illyrian-Albanian link is hotly debated, (if not rejected) by modern mainstream literature.Alexikoua (talk) 15:47, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

References

Don't continue deleting my edits and references. The truth is that you don't like the idea that scholars say that the illyrians are the ancestors of albanians. See here:"However, in general the Supposed Illyrian-Albanian link is hotly debated, (if not rejected) by modern mainstream literature." ----who said this?You Alexikoua? Rolandi+ (talk) 18:30, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

You are cherry-picking and selectively quoting sources to support a point of view that is far from settled among the academic community. That is POV-pushing. Athenean (talk) 18:36, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

"is far from settled among the academic community"--Who decided that?You?You are obviously against the idea that scholars say that the illyrians are the ancestors of albanians. It also says : scholars say that the illyrians are the ancestors of albanians.Why do you accept the part that says only Vlachs have Illyrian origin??? Rolandi+ (talk) 19:08, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Strangely You and Alexikoua call my references related to albanian topics as "unraliable" or "non decent".Strangely. Rolandi+ (talk) 19:30, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

For example one of the recent studies on the subject ] by experts Joachim Matzinger and Stefan Schumacher concluded that "Albanian and Illyrian have little or nothing in common".Alexikoua (talk) 20:22, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

It says"Although the two men are simply studying 17th and 18th-century Albanian texts in order to compile a lexicon of verbs, their innocent-sounding work has stirred hot debate among Albanian linguists" In the 17th and 18th centuary albanian language has been turkified,has borrowed foreign elements. The most important thing is that the other theories about albanians are at the albanian origin article.This article isn't about thracs,dacians or mysians. also why did you call the theory of albanians coming from illyrians as "Supposed"?Isn't this POV pushing?Answear my questions ,don't send your socks to help you,because they can't help your fairy tales. Rolandi+ (talk) 11:16, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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