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Message from Khmlight3

Hi i will stop editing the page dont be mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khmlight3 (talk • contribs)

Rhetorical Question

You asked a rhetorical question at WT:Harassment. You know the answer. The editors who oppose stronger language about harassment don't want stricter enforcement of existing policy. On the contrary, unless they answer your question, they want continued ignoring of identity-based harassment, or at least gender-based harassment. I oppose a specific policy on sexual harassment because I think that all identity-based harassment is hateful. I also think that the usual workplace policy on sexual harassment has to do in part with something that doesn't happen in Misplaced Pages, which is demands for quid pro quo, as well as something that does happen in Misplaced Pages, which is hostile environment. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:15, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Maybe those who oppose stronger language will explain that they think that the policy is fine as is but needs more enforcement. More likely they want to continue the hostile work environment. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:15, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

The real problem, in my opinion, is that for something as big and fractious as the English Misplaced Pages, we don't have any sort of intermediate enforcement mechanism between the quasi-anarchies of one administrator and WP:ANI and the Supreme Court of ArbCom. There should be something in between. However, WMF has the idea that the English Misplaced Pages community is self-governing, and that they will leave it alone. Because of its size and fractiousness, it isn't about to change itself voluntarily. Hmmm. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:15, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: I'm doing my best to assume good faith and hope that the question wasn't rhetorical. Hoping, but not terribly hopeful... But someone has indeed agreed that more enforcement is the solution. I tend to agree that WMF or anti-discrimination policy is the way to go, but I can think of how that can be twisted to be used against things like the GGTF or other pro-feminist groups on the site. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 23:29, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

WCE

The World Christian Encyclopaedia is perhaps only one of few (if there are any other) sources that provide statistical data on Muslim population growth rates by denomination. There is perhaps no other equivalent. It may not be the most up-to-date, but it appears to be the best of what we have.--Peaceworld 21:56, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Are the other sources in that sentence not good enough? It would really seem that 14 years is far too out-of-date for talking about growth trends. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:01, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

These sources have not taken up any study, nor do they give any statistical data. Besides, according to WCE, Salafism has been the slowest growing community.--Peaceworld 22:15, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

For example, the .edu source, perhaps the most reliable of these sources cites an "internet search".--Peaceworld 22:27, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Pakistan

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Pakistan. Legobot (talk) 00:01, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Video of Cecil

Why the revert? The article asks for a photo, but I couldn't find one. Linking to a video is legit, right? Pkeets (talk) 21:57, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

@Pkeets: Definitely think it was a good faith addition, but there's WP:YOUTUBE and I'm honestly not sure it really adds that much to the article (see WP:EL). It's not terrible, it was just questionable imho. I'd prefer to wait for an image to become available (or maybe just wait for the AfD to complete). But you're more than welcome to start a discussion of it on the talk page for the article. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:04, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

So your reversion was based on an opinion? The edit is within the requirements of WP:YOUTUBE, with the video properly licensed and not a copyright infringement. It is being used by news outlets. Pkeets (talk) 22:50, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Yes, like most edits in wikipedia, it was based on my opinion of how to make the article better. But please feel free to seek other opinions on the talk page. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:54, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Gweilo

EF, I don't know whether you know or have studied Chinese languages, but I am highly proficient in both Cantonese and English, and as you see I have explained in some fine detail how this Cantonese word is constructed, all of which is correct. This article is obviously written by people who are only semi-literate in Cantonese or English, and who are not simultaneously fully literate in both of these languages. 86.149.134.79 (talk) 02:41, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Users cannot add their own research to articles. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 02:55, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Cecil

Hello Evergreen Fir,

If the lion was a "major attraction" and "famous" while alive, isn't it logical to assume that reliable sources published before his death would have said so? Or even unreliable sources like tourist brochures or safari guide websites? I have not been able to find anything at all. Nothing. I consider all such claims to be post lion death media hype, and that is what people in Zimbabwe are saying too. Cullen Let's discuss it 22:19, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Which is why the article should have been about the death and not the animal... but if RS say he was famous, we can't deny their claims. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:55, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

No source is reliable 100% of the time and it is up to us to exercise editorial judgment. Fresh news stories published in the midst of a media frenzy deserve scrutiny and skepticism by cautious encyclopedia editors. None of those stories that call him famous or a major attraction offer any corroborating evidence. No quotes from travelers to Africa who added Zimbabwe to their itinerary in order to see Cecil. No travel magazine articles extolling his fame. Not even a mention on the national park's own website. We do not need to "deny" these claims. We should just leave them out of the article until they are substantiated by more thorough coverage later. Cullen Let's discuss it 23:42, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

@Cullen328: I'm torn to be honest the more I think about it. Probably best to see what folks think on Talk:Cecil (lion). EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 02:12, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

There is an active conversation going on at the talk page. I encourage you to contribute. Thank you. Cullen Let's discuss it 03:22, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Bad Girls Club

Have blocked A pena polizzi21 (talk · contribs) you reported at AIV. Do you think semi-protection or pending changes would be useful at Bad Girls Club (season 13) and articles for previous seasons? Abecedare (talk) 01:20, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

@Abecedare: yes please. I've tried to get them protected in the past but to no avail. Thank you for the block!EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 01:33, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

I added semi/PC protection for 3 months for the recent seasons that weren't already protected. Let me know if there are issues with the 14th season now or in the future. Since it is upcoming, there may be legitimate edits to be made that IP editors can help us with. But if the bad/good edits ratio starts getting too large we can add PC (or, even semi-protection) to that page too. Note that I don't have knowledge of the subject, so I am relying on you and reverts by other experienced editors to tell me if edits are useful or not. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 01:51, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

PS: Can you review if the recent 2 edits to the 13th season by an IP are ok or not? Abecedare (talk) 01:51, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

@Abecedare: Thank you! I'll review those edits and I've been keeping an eye on season 14, but since it's mostly upcoming I know there's a lot of change still to come. Thanks again! EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 02:13, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Pings FYI

You forgot to sign your ping here, so it won't work. — Strongjam (talk) 21:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Had no idea I had to sign it! Thanks for the info! EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:03, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

@Strongjam: That actually explains a lot... jeez.. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 21:04, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Yeah it can cause a lot of confusion! Someone should write an edit-filter rule that warns you if you try to use a ping-template and don't sign! Strongjam (talk) 21:08, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

Cool GIftson.J (talk) 16:07, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

The Amazing World of Gumball episode Season 3 'The Money'?

Why did you delete a writer from the Gumball episode "The Money" at 01.21 28th July 2015? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dashdotdash (talk • contribs) 12:12, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@Dashdotdash: I can find nothing that confirms this information. I am going to download the episode tonight and look at the credits. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 16:40, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Plazat and Roosh V

The user Plazat seems to be here only to add negative content to the article Roosh V. What action would be best (if any)? —George8211 / T 16:00, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Qadiani

Hi Evergreen, I don't think that a religious slur Qadiani should be used in the lede, much like the N word shouldn't be used in related articles.--Peaceworld 18:22, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

@Peaceworld111: Thank you for catching that. I was entirely unaware that it was a slur. Thank you for removing it. You might want to discuss it with the user who added it too. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:25, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Gumball - the Money - you are mistaken.

You are wrong. A name was omitted on their European first broadcast and the episode writing credits were corrected for the US broadcast. An apology is due from you and you must not do it again. It is you who is unknowingly vandalising the information. My information comes from the Gumball production company and The Cartoon Network. I understood all the wrong versions had been pulled so I'm intrigued to know where you are 'downloading' this version from. Please name your source. Dashdotdash (talk) 02:13, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

@Dashdotdash: My source was a rip of the episode found online. But WP:BURDEN is on you to provide a source to support your claim. The person is not mentioned anywhere on the internet or on any freely available versions of the episode i could find. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 02:38, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

@EvergreenFir That's worrying. The Cartoon Network said it had been corrected worldwide now. I think the burden, by Wiki's own rules, was actually on you to prove your list was correct as you were the one proposing an incorrect writing credit list in the first place, surely? Dashdotdash (talk) 03:13, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

I'm guessing the bootleg version was from the initial airing. The weird thing with lists of episodes is we don't give explicit sources. The source is assumed to be the episode itself. And given that the majority of bootleg versions didn't include that name, it wasn't in the wikipedia list. I think we might end up making a note that there discrepancies in the airings. I've got to go to sleep soon so might be resolved by tomorrow. For now it's in the list. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 03:17, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

LGBT symbols

Hi there, you overturned a reversion I made. I reverted for two reasons: the rationale for removing content was not properly thought out, and the removed content was longstanding. I've just checked, and it was added on 2 January 2008. I don't think that removing it can be justified as coat racking, it's been there for most of the time the article has existed. I don't want to be part of an edit war, but I invite you to reconsider your deletion of the content.Thanks. Trankuility (talk) 14:09, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

@Trankuility: Wow, okay, 7 years is quite a while. I'll revert and start discussion. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 14:50, 7 August 2015 (UTC)