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== Autobiography? (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd) ==

(Copied from my talk page, where ] posted the following missive)] Please do not write or add to an article about yourself, as you apparently did at ]. Creating an ] is ''strongly'' discouraged – see our guideline on ]. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for ], someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see ]). If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: ], and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss it with the deleting administrator. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-autobiography --> ] ] 19:26, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Poeticbent never explained what might led him to believe I am the scholar to whom the entry is devoted, neither did he provide a proof of it.

Furthermore, the Misplaced Pages's advice on such a possibility, among others, is as follows: "Subjects sometimes become involved in editing material about themselves, either directly or through a representative. The ] has ruled in favor of showing leniency to BLP subjects who try to fix what they see as errors or unfair material. '''Editors should make every effort to act with kindness toward the subjects of biographical material when the subjects arrive to express concern.''' " (see: ]).

--] (]) 13:49, 23 August 2015 (GMT)

== Self-Publishing (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd) ==

(Copied from my talk page) --] (]) 13:49, 23 August 2015 (GMT)
In the change introduced on 19:16, 24 March 2015‎ by ] (talk | contribs)‎ . . (10,230 bytes) (-5,125)‎ . . (→‎Books in English: rmv reviews and self published), it is proposed that the titles deleted were of books that were self-published. I wonder if a proof could be given that it is indeed the fact, meaning that the books were self-published. Likewise, is there any guideline on not using book reviews as references commenting on this or that volume? I see, browsing that many Misplaced Pages biographies use book reviews in this way. ] 11:10, 29 April 2015 (GMC)

Is there any Misplaced Pages guideline against taking note of self-published books? ] 13:57, 23 August 2015 (GMC)

== Deletions by Volunteer Marek (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd) ==

(Copied from my missives posted on Volunteer Marek's talk page) In the change introduced on 19:16, 24 March 2015‎ by ] (talk | contribs)‎ . . (10,230 bytes) (-5,125)‎ . . (→‎Books in English: rmv reviews and self published), it is proposed that the titles deleted were of books that were self-published. I wonder if a proof could be given that it is indeed the fact, meaning that the books were self-published.

With regard to the above, it is quite a standard to provide the titles of all the books published by a scholar, eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/Zygmunt_Bauman.

Dear Volunteer Marek, I wonder why you chose to delete all book chapter and articles by T. Kamusella from this entry, while it appears quite a standard element of biographies of scholars, eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/Per_Anders_Rudling.

Likewise, is there any guideline on not using book reviews as references commenting on this or that volume? I see, browsing that many Misplaced Pages biographies use book reviews in this way, also in the main body of the entry, eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/Jo_Fox.

And if you want an example of an article that makes the fullest use of all the aforementioned elements plus many others, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/Snje%C5%BEana_Kordi%C4%87.

Personally, I believe that articles on scholars and researchers should let Misplaced Pages readers to access the former's research. In this way Misplaced Pages functions as a portal to knowledge. Does it make sense to limit this portal, making it in a small hole through which one can hardly see anything.

Last but not least, why did you choose to bowdlerize the entry on T. Kamusella? There are many other biographies of scholars, which could be cut down to the size preferred by you. But is it the size preferred by other Misplaced Pages users, as well?

] 13:10, May 5, 2015 (GMC)

Dear Volunteer Marek,

I see that you persist in bowdlerizing this entry. I propose you take a minute and read through my reasons of undoing your changes. I would be happy to hear your arguments why you disagree with me, as long as they are supported by proofs. Otherwise, I propose to refer our disagreement to another editor. Regarding your latest May 18, 2015, please, feel free to point out and improve on any fragments that seem to be too resume-like to you. Don't bowdlerize this entry.

] 14:21, May 18, 2015 (GMC)

== Encyclopedia is not a collection of resumes (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd) ==

(Copied from my talk page) First, Kamusella does not compare to either Bauman or Rudling in terms of importance. For a very minor academic who barely passes the threshold of notability, the article in your version goes out of its way to promote him and his works. Only the most important books and articles should be listed. The article should not read like a resume or a CV, which it does now. This is an encyclopedia, not LinkedIn or a similar site. Please don't remove the tag until the problem is addressed. ] (]) 15:57, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

== Test of Notability (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd) ==

Let us apply to T Kamusella the text of notability for academics (https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Notability_%28academics%29):

1. The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources.

>> Between 2001 and 2014 Kamusella published around ten books in Polish (https://pl.wikipedia.org/Tomasz_Kamusella#Ksi.C4.85.C5.BCki_w_j.C4.99zyku_polskim) and numerous articles (c 100) in English and Polish (http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/staff/tomaszkamusella/T%20Kamusella%20Full%20List%20of%20Publications%202012%20June.doc) on the history and present-day situation of the nation / national group / ethnic group of Silesians and their Silesian language. He was the first scholar to use the terms ‘Silesian language’ and the ‘Silesian nation’ as declared in the 2011 Polish census by 0.8 million people who consider themselves to be of this nation and by 0.5 million speaking this language (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/Silesians and https://en.wikipedia.org/Silesian_language). When it comes to learning about this nation / ethnic group of Silesians and their Silesian language, there is next to nothing about the subject in English apart T Kamusella’s works.

In addition see the information on T Kamusella’s numerous books in worldcat: http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=Kamusella%2C+Tomasz&qt=results_page#x0%253Abook-%2C%2528x0%253Abook%2Bx4%253Aprintbook%2529%2C%2528x0%253Abook%2Bx4%253Adigital%2529format.

NB: At 19:12, 24 March 2015‎, ] removed the aforementioned information on T Kamusella’s Polish-language books and on his articles devoted to Silesian history and language. The information on the Polish-language books is still surviving in the entry on this scholar in the Polish Misplaced Pages (https://pl.wikipedia.org/Tomasz_Kamusella#Ksi.C4.85.C5.BCki_w_j.C4.99zyku_polskim), alongside some info on his edited volumes (https://pl.wikipedia.org/Tomasz_Kamusella#Redakcja_prac_zbiorowych_w_j.C4.99zyku_angielskim).

>> During the last decade T Kamusella researched, in a comparative and interdisciplinary manner, the politics of language and nationalism in modern central Europe. The results were published in the well-received ''The Politics of Language and Nationalism in Modern Central Europe'', as proved by over 20 reviews published across the world.

NB: At 19:12, 24 March 2015‎, ] removed the footnote with the reviews. Some can be still seen in the entry on T Kamusella in the Polish Misplaced Pages (https://pl.wikipedia.org/Tomasz_Kamusella#Ksi.C4.85.C5.BCki_w_j.C4.99zyku_angielskim) and at his university website (http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/staff/tomaszkamusella/T%20Kamusella%20Full%20List%20of%20Publications%202012%20June.doc).

3. The person is or has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a fellow of a major scholarly society for which that is a highly selective honor (e.g., the IEEE).

>> T Kamusella is an elected fellow of the ], as can be gleaned from p 1 in this document: http://royalhistsoc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/RHS-Fellows-K.pdf quoted in the footnote surviving in the entry on T Kamusella in the Polish Misplaced Pages.

NB: At 19:12, 24 March 2015‎, ] removed the footnote.

>> Since 2013, T Kamusella (as elected by the ] in the US) has been a member of the Committee of the Kulczycki Book Prize in Polish Studies, see: http://www.aseees.org/programs/aseees-prizes/kulczycki-book-prize-polish-studies. I decided not to bother with adding this information to the entry on T Kamusella, because Volunteer Marek is sure to delete it.

6. The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society.

>> T Kamusella is a Reader in Modern History at the University of St Andrews. The university is the best in Scotland, the third best in Britain and in the group of the world’s 100 best universities, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/University_of_St_Andrews#Rankings_and_reputation. The Oxbridge academic title of ] is equal to that of professor at other universities, see the Overview section in https://en.wikipedia.org/Reader_%28academic_rank%29.

NB: At 19:12, 24 March 2015‎, ] removed the information on the academic position of T Kamusella at the University of St Andrews, alongside the footnote leading to the university website of T Kamusella.

8. The person is or has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area.

>> T Kamusella is the founder and co-editor of the book series Nationalisms Across the Globe, in whose framework 16 volumes have been published so far, see: http://www.peterlang.com/index.cfm?event=cmp.ccc.seitenstruktur.detailseiten&seitentyp=series&pk=1579.

NB: At 19:12, 24 March 2015‎, ] removed the information on the series and T Kamusella’s involvement with it, alongside the footnote.

* Conclusion

On 18 May 2015, at the talk page of the entry on T Kamusella ] proposes that “Kamusella does not compare to either Bauman or Rudling in terms of importance. For a very minor academic who barely passes the threshold of notability, the article in your version goes out of its way to promote him and his works.” (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Tomasz_Kamusella#Encyclopedia_is_not_a_collection_of_resumes).

>> In light of the aforementioned facts, a pattern appears, namely ] tends to delete all these pieces of information that unequivocally point out to the notability of T Kamusella as an academic. I am not sure why ] does this, but due to his observable involvement in writing and editing of entries on matters Polish, I may suggest that his personal dislike is the topic of the Silesian language and nation/ethnic group. Hence, any scholar doing research on these subjects, perhaps according to ] should be ‘cut down to size.’

--] (]) 12:24, 23 August 2015 (GMT)

== Comparisons (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd) ==

Comparisons are always fraught with the problem that people and their achievements are different and not always really comparable. ] proposes that “Kamusella does not compare to either Bauman or Rudling in terms of importance” (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Tomasz_Kamusella#Encyclopedia_is_not_a_collection_of_resumes). Well, when it comes to research on the multiethnic history and present of Upper Silesia, the Silesian and the Silesian language and to the comparative history of language politics and nationalisms in central Europe, Kamusella is a way better specialist on these subjects than Bauman or Rudling. Basically, the two latter scholars’ fields of research are different from Kamusella’s.

But by applying the Misplaced Pages test of notability (https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Notability_%28academics%29), I agree that ], a British and European doyen of sociology, aged 89, is more notable than Kamusella. I am not so sure in the case of ]. According to his Misplaced Pages biography, Rudling published only one book, his overhauled doctoral dissertation. This information is reconfirmed by worldcat (see: http://www.worldcat.org/search?qt=worldcat_org_all&q=Rudling%2C+Per+Anders#%2528x0%253Abook%2Bx4%253Aprintbook%2529format).

According to worldcat, Rudling has published 23 articles (http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3ARudling%2C+Per+Anders.&qt=hot_author), while Kamusella at least 97 (http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=Kamusella%2C+Tomasz&qt=results_page#x0%253Abook-%2C%2528x0%253Abook%2Bx4%253Aprintbook%2529%2C%2528x0%253Abook%2Bx4%253Adigital%2529format).

Rudling has not been permanently employed at any university yet, let alone gained a tenured post. Furthermore, he is not an elected member of an important learned society, or an editor of a book series or periodical.

On this basis, though personally I disagree with such comparisons, I would propose that Rudling is a minor scholar in comparison with Kamusella. This test falsifies Volunteer Marek’s initial proposal that it is the other way around.

Hence, if Rudling’s all refereed articles published in journals and books in English, Russian, Ukrainian and Swedish are allowed, perhaps, the same should be allowed for the entry on T Kamusella.

One can also use en.wikipedia.org as a kind of metrics, and while references to P A Rudling’s works occur in 30 odd Wkipedia articles, the same is true for 70 odd Misplaced Pages articles in the case of T Kamusella.

At present the entry on P A Rudling amounts to 14,400 bytes (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Per_Anders_Rudling&action=history), while that on T Kamusella to 7,500 bytes (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Tomasz_Kamusella&action=history), bar the recent (19 June 2015) technical additions of 2,000 bytes. These additions are related to the introduction of the new format of bibliography and do not add anything to the radically parred down contents of this entry on T Kamusella.

Furthermore, in relation to the aforementioned entry on ] (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Tomasz_Kamusella#Deletions_by_Volunteer_Marek), the work of this academic with several books under her belt is presented in a most exhaustive manner in the entry that amounts to staggering 84,200 bytes (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Snje%C5%BEana_Kordi%C4%87&action=history). No editor or user seems to be questioning this extensive manner adopted in this entry. I would say many readers looking for specialized information in her fields are really thankful for this in-depth treatment, which peoticbent and Volunteer Marek deny to the entry on T Kamusella.

In the case of the 6,300-word-long entry on ] 6,300(https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Jo_Fox&action=history), a quarter of it is composed composed from reviews of her books. The reviews add to half of her published works featured in the entry. The reviews prove the notability of the scholar in her field, and no one is proposing to remove them.

In light of the above, the entry on T Kamusella seems to be treated by Poeticbent and Volunteer Marek in line with some other principles that govern the composition and maintenance of the entries on ], ] or ]. I am, not surprised it is so in the last case, as it is Poteicbent herself/himself who created this entro on 30 May 2014 (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Per_Anders_Rudling&action=history). That the entries on ] and ] do not attract the heavy treatment at hands of Poeticbent and Volunteer Marek is perhaps caused by the fact that they do not deal neither with matters Silesian or Polish.

--] (]) 12:46, 23 August 2015 (GMT)


== Vandalism and Threats (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd) ==

In light of above, Poeticbent’s and Volunteer Marek’s removals of vital pieces of information on T Kamusella’s scholarship, academic career and contributions to scholarship appear to be unsubstantiated and either ideologically motivated or malicious.

As can be observed at: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Tomasz_Kamusella&action=history :

On 26 February 2015 and on 17 March 2015 ] ] removed almost 5,000 bytes of data fr4om the entry on T Kamusella. On 24 March 2015, s/he was swiftly followed by ], who removed two-thirds of the remaining text of the entry on Kamusella, namely 11,800 bytes. S/he added the following remark: “encyclopedia article isn't a cv. Remove reviews and remove self-published works.”

But Volunteer Marek provided neither a proof that Kamusella’s books are self-published, nor a Misplaced Pages guideline advising against including self-published books in biographies of scholars.

On 20 April 2015, I tried to reinstate some of the deleted information, mostly on the deleted books and articles.

On the very same day of 20 April 2015, Volunteer Marek reverted my editions to her/his earlier draft of the entry.

On 17 May 2019, I reintroduced the unbowdlerized draft of this entry with the following remark addressed to Volunteer Marek: “I reintroduce the unbowdlerized version of this entry. The user Volunteer Marek regularly down-scaled it, on the basis of unsubstantiated claims. I wrote to him on my reservations, but so far have received no reply.”

The following day of 18 May 2015, Volunteer Marek reverted my editions to her/his earlier draft of the entry and remarked: “not a CV or job resume. List the most important works if you must but cut it out with the promotional material.”

On the same day of 18 May 2015, I undid Volunteer Marek’s changes and added the following remark: “Undoing recent changes. PS: Volunteer Marek, I propose than instead of repeatedly cutting the publications included with no reasons given, you may reply to my message on this entry.”

Also on 18 May 2015, I followed with a minor revision and wrote to Volunteer Marek: “Undoing recent revision. PS: To Volunteer Marek, feel free to point out and improve on any fragments that seem to be too resume-like to you. Don't bowdlerize this entry.”

On the very same day of 18 May 2015, Poeticbent reinstated Volunteer Marek’s version of this entry and remarked: “restored expert edit by Volunteer Marek → you have been advised against writing about yourself User:Hyrdlak and if you persist, I will personally report you to AN/I for the breach of Misplaced Pages core policy/guidelines which can result in serious remedies.”

Poeticbent did not care to explain why he considers Volunteer Marek’s edit to be ‘expert.’ In light of the aforementioned Misplaced Pages test of notability as applied to T Kamusella’s work and in comparison with entries on other scholars, it appears that Volunteer Marek’s edit edit is anything but expert.

I sense that the ulterior motive is, first, to discourage me from editing this entry on T Kamusella. Second, to gradually downscale this entry and deprive it of references and supporting information. Third, the entry would be declared as insufficient. Fourth, the scholar in question would be declared as not notable. And finally, the entry would be primed for complete deletion. As a result, an important source of information on the history, culture and language of Poland’s 0.85 million Silesians would vanish.

--] (]) 13:21, 23 August 2015 (GMT)

== Are Poeticbent and Volunteer Marek the Same User? (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd) ==

On 17 March 2015, at 19:26 ] ] proposed that the entry on T Kamusella should be changed or might be deleted (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Hyrdlak#Tomasz_Kamusella).

Exactly a week later, the deletion of the two-thirds of the original contents of the entry on T Kamusella was carried out by ] on 24 March 2015 between 19:12 and 19:24 (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Tomasz_Kamusella&action=history).

After Volunteer Marek’s latest deletion of the reinstated sections in the entry on 18 May 2015 at 7:10, I reinstated it again at 13:13 – 13:15. Next, at 14:05 Poeticbent, parred down the entry in line with Volunteer Marek’s original deletion of 24 march 2015. In addition, Poeticbent wrote: “restored expert edit by Volunteer Marek → you have been advised against writing about yourself User:Hyrdlak and if you persist, I will personally report you to AN/I for the breach of Misplaced Pages core policy/guidelines which can result in serious remedies” (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Tomasz_Kamusella&action=history).

Poeticbent fails to explain why he consider Volunteer Marek’s deletion to be an ‘expert edit,’ and in order to reinforce his and Volunteer Marek’s stance on this deletion Poticbent threatens reporting the matter to AN/I. I guess he means ].

Given Volunteer Marek’s and Poeticbent’s highly coordinated action to rid the entry on T Kamusella of essential and important pieces of information that make this entry relevant for readers and establish the notability of T Kamusella as a scholar, I suspect that Voluneer Marek and Poeticbent may be the very same user.

--] (]) 14:41, 23 August 2015 (GMT)

== Possible Resolution (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd) ==

I have never received and replies from ] ] and ] to the questions I posed to them between March and May 2015. Whatever they wrote in answer was not supported by any arguments or explanations and in some cases sounded like a threat.

This approach is not conducive to objective and transparent discussion, which are the main values of the Misplaced Pages.

Thus, I propose other interested users and readers may have their say, alongside Poeticbent and Volunteer Marek. If I do not hear from anyone for three months (till 23 November 2015) or so, I will reinstate the original draft of the entry on T Kamusella. If then Poeticbent or Volunteer Marek will ‘expertly’ cut it down as they already did in the past, I will refer the matter to the ].

--] (]) 18:37, 23 August 2015 (GMT)

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Thank u very much for looking in to it. I have done something with the reference codes. Bym był bardzo szczęśliwy i wdzięczny jak byś mi to pomógł naprawić.

Z pl Wikipedii skopiował tylko organizacja której jeszcze nie dodałem. Wziołem ją stamtąd dlatego że ja tam ją wsadziłem.

Artykuł należy poprawić gdyż jest w nim wiele nie ścisłości. Np. GUGB został zlikwidowany na początku lutego 41, i już nigdy nie powrócił w tej nazwie do NKVD jak mówi art.

Jeszcze raz bym był dla ciebie wdzięczny jak byś naprawił te kody. Wówczas bym się przyjżał jak to zrobiłeś i się nauczył.

Jeszcze raz proszę o pomoc i dziękuje. --Ataman (talk) 17:47, 4 August 2015 (UTC) Także NKGB lub GUGB NKVD, chcę poprawić.

  • Witam, i dziękuję za wyjaśnienie. Domyśliłem się od razu że błędy techniczne wzięły się z braku doświadczenia, a nie z braku wiedzy. Ale faktu to nie zmienia. Efekt końcowy był taki że pozbawiłeś artykuł jego źródeł. – I’m not sure if you prefer to be addressed in Polish or in English, but regardless, you need to learn beforehand how to preformat the material you intend to add to English Misplaced Pages. Regarding your multiple errors introduced in our article SMERSH, please spend some time reading Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style and specifically Misplaced Pages:Citing sources. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 19:06, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Dziękuje ci jeszcze raz. Bardzo dziękuje za zrozumienie. Edytowałem na pl Wikipedii od 2004 i bardzo prawie nie umiałem pisać po polsku. Tam się nauczyłem. Tam rozbudowałem cały system p tajnych służbach oczywiście z pomocą kolegów i koleżanek. Ale masz racje muszę się zapoznać z techniką panującą. Ale tyle tego jest 😕. Dziękuje raz jeszcze.--Ataman (talk) 16:29, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
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Category:Sonderaktion Krakau victims

I think we should have such a cat; pl wiki does. What do you think? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:25, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Good idea. It will not be as impressive, mind you. In Polish Misplaced Pages we have: Strony w kategorii „Ofiary Sonderaktion Krakau” 83 spośród wszystkich 83 stron tej kategorii. In English Misplaced Pages we have the following :
  1. Tadeusz Banachiewicz
  2. Aleksander Birkenmajer
  3. Ignacy Chrzanowski
  4. Stanisław Estreicher
  5. Tadeusz Estreicher
  6. Stanisław Gołąb (matematyk)
  7. Zdzisław Jachimecki
  8. Stanisław Klimecki
  9. Władysław Konopczyński
  10. Kazimierz Kostanecki
  11. Tadeusz Jan Kowalski
  12. Stanisław Kutrzeba
  13. Tadeusz Lehr-Spławiński
  14. Bogusław Leśnodorski
  15. Mieczysław Małecki
  16. Wiktor Ormicki
  17. Kazimierz Piwarski
  18. Jan Stanisławski (lexicographer) (anglista)
  19. Leon Tochowicz

Poeticbent talk 12:33, 27 August 2015 (UTC)


Autobiography? (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd)

(Copied from my talk page, where talk posted the following missive)Information icon Please do not write or add to an article about yourself, as you apparently did at Tomasz Kamusella. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). If you wish to add to an existing article about yourself, please propose the changes on its talk page. Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was my page deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss it with the deleting administrator. Thank you. Poeticbent talk 19:26, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Poeticbent never explained what might led him to believe I am the scholar to whom the entry is devoted, neither did he provide a proof of it.

Furthermore, the Misplaced Pages's advice on such a possibility, among others, is as follows: "Subjects sometimes become involved in editing material about themselves, either directly or through a representative. The Arbitration Committee has ruled in favor of showing leniency to BLP subjects who try to fix what they see as errors or unfair material. Editors should make every effort to act with kindness toward the subjects of biographical material when the subjects arrive to express concern. " (see: Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons).

--User:Hyrdlak (talk) 13:49, 23 August 2015 (GMT)

Self-Publishing (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd)

(Copied from my talk page) --User:Hyrdlak (talk) 13:49, 23 August 2015 (GMT) In the change introduced on 19:16, 24 March 2015‎ by User:Volunteer Marek (talk | contribs)‎ . . (10,230 bytes) (-5,125)‎ . . (→‎Books in English: rmv reviews and self published), it is proposed that the titles deleted were of books that were self-published. I wonder if a proof could be given that it is indeed the fact, meaning that the books were self-published. Likewise, is there any guideline on not using book reviews as references commenting on this or that volume? I see, browsing that many Misplaced Pages biographies use book reviews in this way. User:Hyrdlak 11:10, 29 April 2015 (GMC)

Is there any Misplaced Pages guideline against taking note of self-published books? User:Hyrdlak 13:57, 23 August 2015 (GMC)

Deletions by Volunteer Marek (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd)

(Copied from my missives posted on Volunteer Marek's talk page) In the change introduced on 19:16, 24 March 2015‎ by User:Volunteer Marek (talk | contribs)‎ . . (10,230 bytes) (-5,125)‎ . . (→‎Books in English: rmv reviews and self published), it is proposed that the titles deleted were of books that were self-published. I wonder if a proof could be given that it is indeed the fact, meaning that the books were self-published.

With regard to the above, it is quite a standard to provide the titles of all the books published by a scholar, eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/Zygmunt_Bauman.

Dear Volunteer Marek, I wonder why you chose to delete all book chapter and articles by T. Kamusella from this entry, while it appears quite a standard element of biographies of scholars, eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/Per_Anders_Rudling.

Likewise, is there any guideline on not using book reviews as references commenting on this or that volume? I see, browsing that many Misplaced Pages biographies use book reviews in this way, also in the main body of the entry, eg: https://en.wikipedia.org/Jo_Fox.

And if you want an example of an article that makes the fullest use of all the aforementioned elements plus many others, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/Snje%C5%BEana_Kordi%C4%87.

Personally, I believe that articles on scholars and researchers should let Misplaced Pages readers to access the former's research. In this way Misplaced Pages functions as a portal to knowledge. Does it make sense to limit this portal, making it in a small hole through which one can hardly see anything.

Last but not least, why did you choose to bowdlerize the entry on T. Kamusella? There are many other biographies of scholars, which could be cut down to the size preferred by you. But is it the size preferred by other Misplaced Pages users, as well?

User:Hyrdlak 13:10, May 5, 2015 (GMC)

Dear Volunteer Marek,

I see that you persist in bowdlerizing this entry. I propose you take a minute and read through my reasons of undoing your changes. I would be happy to hear your arguments why you disagree with me, as long as they are supported by proofs. Otherwise, I propose to refer our disagreement to another editor. Regarding your latest May 18, 2015, please, feel free to point out and improve on any fragments that seem to be too resume-like to you. Don't bowdlerize this entry.

User:Hyrdlak 14:21, May 18, 2015 (GMC)

Encyclopedia is not a collection of resumes (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd)

(Copied from my talk page) First, Kamusella does not compare to either Bauman or Rudling in terms of importance. For a very minor academic who barely passes the threshold of notability, the article in your version goes out of its way to promote him and his works. Only the most important books and articles should be listed. The article should not read like a resume or a CV, which it does now. This is an encyclopedia, not LinkedIn or a similar site. Please don't remove the tag until the problem is addressed. Volunteer Marek (talk) 15:57, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Test of Notability (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd)

Let us apply to T Kamusella the text of notability for academics (https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Notability_%28academics%29):

1. The person's research has made significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources.

>> Between 2001 and 2014 Kamusella published around ten books in Polish (https://pl.wikipedia.org/Tomasz_Kamusella#Ksi.C4.85.C5.BCki_w_j.C4.99zyku_polskim) and numerous articles (c 100) in English and Polish (http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/staff/tomaszkamusella/T%20Kamusella%20Full%20List%20of%20Publications%202012%20June.doc) on the history and present-day situation of the nation / national group / ethnic group of Silesians and their Silesian language. He was the first scholar to use the terms ‘Silesian language’ and the ‘Silesian nation’ as declared in the 2011 Polish census by 0.8 million people who consider themselves to be of this nation and by 0.5 million speaking this language (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/Silesians and https://en.wikipedia.org/Silesian_language). When it comes to learning about this nation / ethnic group of Silesians and their Silesian language, there is next to nothing about the subject in English apart T Kamusella’s works.

In addition see the information on T Kamusella’s numerous books in worldcat: http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=Kamusella%2C+Tomasz&qt=results_page#x0%253Abook-%2C%2528x0%253Abook%2Bx4%253Aprintbook%2529%2C%2528x0%253Abook%2Bx4%253Adigital%2529format.

NB: At 19:12, 24 March 2015‎, talk removed the aforementioned information on T Kamusella’s Polish-language books and on his articles devoted to Silesian history and language. The information on the Polish-language books is still surviving in the entry on this scholar in the Polish Misplaced Pages (https://pl.wikipedia.org/Tomasz_Kamusella#Ksi.C4.85.C5.BCki_w_j.C4.99zyku_polskim), alongside some info on his edited volumes (https://pl.wikipedia.org/Tomasz_Kamusella#Redakcja_prac_zbiorowych_w_j.C4.99zyku_angielskim).

>> During the last decade T Kamusella researched, in a comparative and interdisciplinary manner, the politics of language and nationalism in modern central Europe. The results were published in the well-received The Politics of Language and Nationalism in Modern Central Europe, as proved by over 20 reviews published across the world.

NB: At 19:12, 24 March 2015‎, talk removed the footnote with the reviews. Some can be still seen in the entry on T Kamusella in the Polish Misplaced Pages (https://pl.wikipedia.org/Tomasz_Kamusella#Ksi.C4.85.C5.BCki_w_j.C4.99zyku_angielskim) and at his university website (http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/history/staff/tomaszkamusella/T%20Kamusella%20Full%20List%20of%20Publications%202012%20June.doc).

3. The person is or has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a fellow of a major scholarly society for which that is a highly selective honor (e.g., the IEEE).

>> T Kamusella is an elected fellow of the Royal Historical Society, as can be gleaned from p 1 in this document: http://royalhistsoc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/RHS-Fellows-K.pdf quoted in the footnote surviving in the entry on T Kamusella in the Polish Misplaced Pages.

NB: At 19:12, 24 March 2015‎, talk removed the footnote.

>> Since 2013, T Kamusella (as elected by the Association for Slavic, East European, and Eurasian Studies in the US) has been a member of the Committee of the Kulczycki Book Prize in Polish Studies, see: http://www.aseees.org/programs/aseees-prizes/kulczycki-book-prize-polish-studies. I decided not to bother with adding this information to the entry on T Kamusella, because Volunteer Marek is sure to delete it.

6. The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed academic post at a major academic institution or major academic society.

>> T Kamusella is a Reader in Modern History at the University of St Andrews. The university is the best in Scotland, the third best in Britain and in the group of the world’s 100 best universities, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/University_of_St_Andrews#Rankings_and_reputation. The Oxbridge academic title of Reader (academic rank) is equal to that of professor at other universities, see the Overview section in https://en.wikipedia.org/Reader_%28academic_rank%29.

NB: At 19:12, 24 March 2015‎, talk removed the information on the academic position of T Kamusella at the University of St Andrews, alongside the footnote leading to the university website of T Kamusella.

8. The person is or has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area.

>> T Kamusella is the founder and co-editor of the book series Nationalisms Across the Globe, in whose framework 16 volumes have been published so far, see: http://www.peterlang.com/index.cfm?event=cmp.ccc.seitenstruktur.detailseiten&seitentyp=series&pk=1579.

NB: At 19:12, 24 March 2015‎, talk removed the information on the series and T Kamusella’s involvement with it, alongside the footnote.

  • Conclusion

On 18 May 2015, at the talk page of the entry on T Kamusella talk proposes that “Kamusella does not compare to either Bauman or Rudling in terms of importance. For a very minor academic who barely passes the threshold of notability, the article in your version goes out of its way to promote him and his works.” (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Tomasz_Kamusella#Encyclopedia_is_not_a_collection_of_resumes).

>> In light of the aforementioned facts, a pattern appears, namely talk tends to delete all these pieces of information that unequivocally point out to the notability of T Kamusella as an academic. I am not sure why talk does this, but due to his observable involvement in writing and editing of entries on matters Polish, I may suggest that his personal dislike is the topic of the Silesian language and nation/ethnic group. Hence, any scholar doing research on these subjects, perhaps according to talk should be ‘cut down to size.’

--User:Hyrdlak (talk) 12:24, 23 August 2015 (GMT)

Comparisons (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd)

Comparisons are always fraught with the problem that people and their achievements are different and not always really comparable. talk proposes that “Kamusella does not compare to either Bauman or Rudling in terms of importance” (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Tomasz_Kamusella#Encyclopedia_is_not_a_collection_of_resumes). Well, when it comes to research on the multiethnic history and present of Upper Silesia, the Silesian and the Silesian language and to the comparative history of language politics and nationalisms in central Europe, Kamusella is a way better specialist on these subjects than Bauman or Rudling. Basically, the two latter scholars’ fields of research are different from Kamusella’s.

But by applying the Misplaced Pages test of notability (https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Notability_%28academics%29), I agree that Zygmunt Bauman, a British and European doyen of sociology, aged 89, is more notable than Kamusella. I am not so sure in the case of Per Anders Rudling. According to his Misplaced Pages biography, Rudling published only one book, his overhauled doctoral dissertation. This information is reconfirmed by worldcat (see: http://www.worldcat.org/search?qt=worldcat_org_all&q=Rudling%2C+Per+Anders#%2528x0%253Abook%2Bx4%253Aprintbook%2529format).

According to worldcat, Rudling has published 23 articles (http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3ARudling%2C+Per+Anders.&qt=hot_author), while Kamusella at least 97 (http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=Kamusella%2C+Tomasz&qt=results_page#x0%253Abook-%2C%2528x0%253Abook%2Bx4%253Aprintbook%2529%2C%2528x0%253Abook%2Bx4%253Adigital%2529format).

Rudling has not been permanently employed at any university yet, let alone gained a tenured post. Furthermore, he is not an elected member of an important learned society, or an editor of a book series or periodical.

On this basis, though personally I disagree with such comparisons, I would propose that Rudling is a minor scholar in comparison with Kamusella. This test falsifies Volunteer Marek’s initial proposal that it is the other way around.

Hence, if Rudling’s all refereed articles published in journals and books in English, Russian, Ukrainian and Swedish are allowed, perhaps, the same should be allowed for the entry on T Kamusella.

One can also use en.wikipedia.org as a kind of metrics, and while references to P A Rudling’s works occur in 30 odd Wkipedia articles, the same is true for 70 odd Misplaced Pages articles in the case of T Kamusella.

At present the entry on P A Rudling amounts to 14,400 bytes (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Per_Anders_Rudling&action=history), while that on T Kamusella to 7,500 bytes (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Tomasz_Kamusella&action=history), bar the recent (19 June 2015) technical additions of 2,000 bytes. These additions are related to the introduction of the new format of bibliography and do not add anything to the radically parred down contents of this entry on T Kamusella.

Furthermore, in relation to the aforementioned entry on Snježana Kordić (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Tomasz_Kamusella#Deletions_by_Volunteer_Marek), the work of this academic with several books under her belt is presented in a most exhaustive manner in the entry that amounts to staggering 84,200 bytes (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Snje%C5%BEana_Kordi%C4%87&action=history). No editor or user seems to be questioning this extensive manner adopted in this entry. I would say many readers looking for specialized information in her fields are really thankful for this in-depth treatment, which peoticbent and Volunteer Marek deny to the entry on T Kamusella.

In the case of the 6,300-word-long entry on Jo Fox 6,300(https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Jo_Fox&action=history), a quarter of it is composed composed from reviews of her books. The reviews add to half of her published works featured in the entry. The reviews prove the notability of the scholar in her field, and no one is proposing to remove them.

In light of the above, the entry on T Kamusella seems to be treated by Poeticbent and Volunteer Marek in line with some other principles that govern the composition and maintenance of the entries on Jo Fox, Snježana Kordić or Per Anders Rudling. I am, not surprised it is so in the last case, as it is Poteicbent herself/himself who created this entro on 30 May 2014 (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Per_Anders_Rudling&action=history). That the entries on Jo Fox and Snježana Kordić do not attract the heavy treatment at hands of Poeticbent and Volunteer Marek is perhaps caused by the fact that they do not deal neither with matters Silesian or Polish.

--User:Hyrdlak (talk) 12:46, 23 August 2015 (GMT)


Vandalism and Threats (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd)

In light of above, Poeticbent’s and Volunteer Marek’s removals of vital pieces of information on T Kamusella’s scholarship, academic career and contributions to scholarship appear to be unsubstantiated and either ideologically motivated or malicious.

As can be observed at: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Tomasz_Kamusella&action=history :

On 26 February 2015 and on 17 March 2015 Poeticbent talk removed almost 5,000 bytes of data fr4om the entry on T Kamusella. On 24 March 2015, s/he was swiftly followed by talk, who removed two-thirds of the remaining text of the entry on Kamusella, namely 11,800 bytes. S/he added the following remark: “encyclopedia article isn't a cv. Remove reviews and remove self-published works.”

But Volunteer Marek provided neither a proof that Kamusella’s books are self-published, nor a Misplaced Pages guideline advising against including self-published books in biographies of scholars.

On 20 April 2015, I tried to reinstate some of the deleted information, mostly on the deleted books and articles.

On the very same day of 20 April 2015, Volunteer Marek reverted my editions to her/his earlier draft of the entry.

On 17 May 2019, I reintroduced the unbowdlerized draft of this entry with the following remark addressed to Volunteer Marek: “I reintroduce the unbowdlerized version of this entry. The user Volunteer Marek regularly down-scaled it, on the basis of unsubstantiated claims. I wrote to him on my reservations, but so far have received no reply.”

The following day of 18 May 2015, Volunteer Marek reverted my editions to her/his earlier draft of the entry and remarked: “not a CV or job resume. List the most important works if you must but cut it out with the promotional material.”

On the same day of 18 May 2015, I undid Volunteer Marek’s changes and added the following remark: “Undoing recent changes. PS: Volunteer Marek, I propose than instead of repeatedly cutting the publications included with no reasons given, you may reply to my message on this entry.”

Also on 18 May 2015, I followed with a minor revision and wrote to Volunteer Marek: “Undoing recent revision. PS: To Volunteer Marek, feel free to point out and improve on any fragments that seem to be too resume-like to you. Don't bowdlerize this entry.”

On the very same day of 18 May 2015, Poeticbent reinstated Volunteer Marek’s version of this entry and remarked: “restored expert edit by Volunteer Marek → you have been advised against writing about yourself User:Hyrdlak and if you persist, I will personally report you to AN/I for the breach of Misplaced Pages core policy/guidelines which can result in serious remedies.”

Poeticbent did not care to explain why he considers Volunteer Marek’s edit to be ‘expert.’ In light of the aforementioned Misplaced Pages test of notability as applied to T Kamusella’s work and in comparison with entries on other scholars, it appears that Volunteer Marek’s edit edit is anything but expert.

I sense that the ulterior motive is, first, to discourage me from editing this entry on T Kamusella. Second, to gradually downscale this entry and deprive it of references and supporting information. Third, the entry would be declared as insufficient. Fourth, the scholar in question would be declared as not notable. And finally, the entry would be primed for complete deletion. As a result, an important source of information on the history, culture and language of Poland’s 0.85 million Silesians would vanish.

--User:Hyrdlak (talk) 13:21, 23 August 2015 (GMT)

Are Poeticbent and Volunteer Marek the Same User? (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd)

On 17 March 2015, at 19:26 Poeticbent talk proposed that the entry on T Kamusella should be changed or might be deleted (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Hyrdlak#Tomasz_Kamusella).

Exactly a week later, the deletion of the two-thirds of the original contents of the entry on T Kamusella was carried out by talk on 24 March 2015 between 19:12 and 19:24 (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Tomasz_Kamusella&action=history).

After Volunteer Marek’s latest deletion of the reinstated sections in the entry on 18 May 2015 at 7:10, I reinstated it again at 13:13 – 13:15. Next, at 14:05 Poeticbent, parred down the entry in line with Volunteer Marek’s original deletion of 24 march 2015. In addition, Poeticbent wrote: “restored expert edit by Volunteer Marek → you have been advised against writing about yourself User:Hyrdlak and if you persist, I will personally report you to AN/I for the breach of Misplaced Pages core policy/guidelines which can result in serious remedies” (see: https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Tomasz_Kamusella&action=history).

Poeticbent fails to explain why he consider Volunteer Marek’s deletion to be an ‘expert edit,’ and in order to reinforce his and Volunteer Marek’s stance on this deletion Poticbent threatens reporting the matter to AN/I. I guess he means Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee.

Given Volunteer Marek’s and Poeticbent’s highly coordinated action to rid the entry on T Kamusella of essential and important pieces of information that make this entry relevant for readers and establish the notability of T Kamusella as a scholar, I suspect that Voluneer Marek and Poeticbent may be the very same user.

--User:Hyrdlak (talk) 14:41, 23 August 2015 (GMT)

Possible Resolution (T Kamusella: Various Issues Cont'd)

I have never received and replies from Poeticbent talk and talk to the questions I posed to them between March and May 2015. Whatever they wrote in answer was not supported by any arguments or explanations and in some cases sounded like a threat.

This approach is not conducive to objective and transparent discussion, which are the main values of the Misplaced Pages.

Thus, I propose other interested users and readers may have their say, alongside Poeticbent and Volunteer Marek. If I do not hear from anyone for three months (till 23 November 2015) or so, I will reinstate the original draft of the entry on T Kamusella. If then Poeticbent or Volunteer Marek will ‘expertly’ cut it down as they already did in the past, I will refer the matter to the Arbitration Committee.

--User:Hyrdlak (talk) 18:37, 23 August 2015 (GMT)