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| :Got to agree with Guinnog here. This is an encyclopedia - it should use simple descriptive terms. In terms of football, "British clubs" are teams who play football in Britain. We can't go around inventing unwieldy terms like "from the island of Britain" because ''some'' Celtic fans are not British or don't like to think of themselves as British. It's about the club, which is clearly a British club, not about the politics of some of the club's fans. ]] 22:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC) | :Got to agree with Guinnog here. This is an encyclopedia - it should use simple descriptive terms. In terms of football, "British clubs" are teams who play football in Britain. We can't go around inventing unwieldy terms like "from the island of Britain" because ''some'' Celtic fans are not British or don't like to think of themselves as British. It's about the club, which is clearly a British club, not about the politics of some of the club's fans. ]] 22:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC) | ||
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Celtic the "British" Club
I think its controversial and unnecessarily antagonistic to tag Celtic as a British club, its just stirs up more trouble between Celtic and Rangers fans - in general Celtic fans would never consider themselves as British or the club as a British club and despise everything British.
The article already states that Celtic were the first Scottish and Northern European club to reach and win the European Cup is it necessary to you the British label also when the others are sufficient?
I suggested and changed the term to being from the "island of Britain" rather than "British" as it conveys the same message and is a lot less controversial but I have been threatened over this (see below) Vintagekits 23:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- I am annoyed that you characterised my warning sa as threat. I offered you a way out of this and you have not taken it. It will now be out of my hands; so be it.
- As to the description of where Celtic are from, "British" is a simple term of geography here. Like it or not, Celtic play their home games in Scotland, which is part of the island called Britain. It really is that simple. --Guinnog 22:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
--Guinnog 22:31, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
(copied from user's talk page, by the user)
Hi. I'm interested in why you reverted my change here without discussion, and without even leaving an edit summary. In my opinion this makes the article worse. Specifically, I'd like you to explain why you prefer "from the island of Britain" to "British". Thanks. --Guinnog 18:26, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm very disappointed you've made no answer to the above. You've also broken Misplaced Pages's three revert rule, one of the few absolute rules that we have. As you are quite new here, I'll give you this one opportunity to self-revert to the consensus version. Failing that, you will be blocked. Thank you, --Guinnog 20:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Its my first time in this type of situation so I didnt know what to do with that box, I am learning as I am going.
I gave you the reason when I changed the article. Was my change incorrect? - many Celtic fans (I being one) dont appriciate having their club tagged as British and dont consider it British. In that way I consider your edit more POV than mine, stating that they are from the island of Britain conveys the same message and is a lot less controversial.
Is this wiki or Nazi germany - I am putting forward a valid arguement and you would like to ban people over that!!! thank you Vintagekits 23:02, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't agree. It's a simple descriptive term, as I and another user have pointed out to you. I was serious about the block by the way. Did you read the policy I referred you to? --Guinnog 22:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC) Firstly I dont think that an edit that is actually correct dervse a ban. Secondly I dont know how to "self-revert" it without editing it again. Thirdly dont you think I less controversial description would be better.
Just because you disagree with my description is that the end of it, does your POV stand over everything else? Vintagekits 23:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
- Got to agree with Guinnog here. This is an encyclopedia - it should use simple descriptive terms. In terms of football, "British clubs" are teams who play football in Britain. We can't go around inventing unwieldy terms like "from the island of Britain" because some Celtic fans are not British or don't like to think of themselves as British. It's about the club, which is clearly a British club, not about the politics of some of the club's fans. Camillus (talk) 22:41, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Why is it necessary to describe the club as British when it serves no purpose in the article!
Vintagekits 00.16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)