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There was no consensus for moving this article to Kentucky same-sex marriage license controversies. The controversy has many facets, but that does not mean that there are a plurality of controversies. Before the article was created, the title was discussed and consensus favored Kentucky same-sex marriage license controversy. See talk:Kim Davis (county clerk)#Spinoff title.- MrX 03:40, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

The title must reflect the content. The singular title was fine before more people were included, but there is more than one person involved. "Plural" is the defining word here, and simple logic and our name rules dictate a plural title. -- BullRangifer (talk) 06:48, 20 September 2015 (UTC)

I fail to understand why the singular word "controversy" can't apply when we're talking about an issue that relates to one specific area or topic but involves multiple people. See, for example, the article global warming controversy. A great many people are involved with researching climate change, doing so in multiple nations, but it's fitting to use the term "controversy" because it's a singular subject. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:42, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Moot point. We're working with this title now. -- BullRangifer (talk) 05:04, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Coercion of other clerks to obey issue

Aside from Kim Davis, has any of the other individuals that have objected to issuing same-sex licenses also tried to force other clerks to follow their lead? There's multiple different cases here, but it's not clear. Going to a restaurant and having waitress X happen to not serve you is pretty different than waitress X ordering every other waitress and waiter to leave you alone, X giving out threats. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 09:25, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

No, no other individuals are on the power trip that Kim Davis is on. That question can be answered by reading this article, the Kim Davis article, or any of their reliable sources. Prhartcom (talk) 11:50, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Given what I've read, here and elsewhere, I went ahead and tweaked the lead to this article to clarify things. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:56, 1 October 2015 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because there is a current, active AfD discussion on the Kim Davis article being deleted. Further, that article might be merged with this one. What's more, I see no conflict in this article remaining even if the Kim Davis article remains. One is a BLP, this one an article on the events she started in motion. Considering the legal ramifications of the denials of marriage licenses and the strong possibility the licenses currently being issued without the county clerk's name attached are actually illegal, it's very likely the license issue will continue whereas her 5 minutes of "fame" will not. ---- WV ● ✉ ✓ 14:44, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Kim Davis (county clerk) has survived two deletion nominations by very wide margins. An RfC has determined that there should only be one article. Logically, it follows that this, the newer, less complete, WP:SPINOFF article should be deleted. - MrX 16:20, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... ( The Kim Davis article is currently in AFD with discussion to merge here, further having an article under the name Kim Davis violate WP:BLP1E.) --KoshVorlon 15:58, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

First, having a KIm Davis biography does not violate BLP1E, as has been thoroughly demonstrated on the article talk page and in two AFDs. Second, this article is spinoff article of the original article. The original article which has much more information, a full revision history, and has twice failed deletion nominations by a large margin.- MrX 16:16, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

This should be moved...

To Kim Davis same-sex marriage license controversy, since while the topic is broader that would be a more helpful title. Then we might be able to have a reasonable, adult conversation about what material to take from Kim Davis (county clerk) and what not to take. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 16:39, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

I went ahead and did the right thing, shifting this over to Kim Davis same-sex marriage license controversies. We can now bring in the content that we need before perhaps tweaking the name a bit more. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 16:42, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Cleaning up after a mess

Can we, at long, long last, have the stick be dropped at least for one moment? The consensus is for some kind of article framed as Kim Davis same-sex marriage license controversies (or something very, very similar) in the main page, the Kim Davis (county clerk) page. We shouldn't have the worst sort of edit warring going on here. If there's some proposal for a better title, fine. There's a place for that.

This is the place: Talk:Kim_Davis_(county_clerk)#Requested_move_6_October_2015

Thank you. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 17:01, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Cleaning up after mess making...

Can we, at long, long last, have the stick be dropped at least for one moment? The consensus is for some kind of article framed as Kim Davis same-sex marriage license controversies (or something very, very similar) in the main page, the Kim Davis (county clerk) page. We shouldn't have the worst sort of edit warring going on here. If there's some proposal for a better title, fine. There's a place for that.

This is the place: Talk:Kim_Davis_(county_clerk)#Requested_move_6_October_2015

Thank you. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 17:01, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Reverted non-consensus controversial move

CoffeeWithMarkets was reverted for disruptively moving this article. There is a discussion taking place whether or not to move article Kim Davis (county clerk). Will this editor please take part in the discussion. Prhartcom (talk) 17:08, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Strike out your bald-faced lie that I was being disruptive as well as your bald-faced lie that I wasn't taking part in the discussion. Please. Either do it or I will remove your comments for you (or will strike them out for you), since I'm at the point where I can't really tolerate more sheer, foaming-at-the-mouth hatred from you and your fellow obsessives. Note as well that since you don't follow procedure (neither do your guys generally), I'll be trying to follow procedure for you and won't revert your revert of my action with the title. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 17:11, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Since you wouldn't correct the record, I had to go ahead and change it for you (given the objective fact that I was a part of the discussion on the Kim Davis page and have been for days and days now, well before the move that just happened here a bit ago. I even voted in your RFC, yes, well before the move that just happened also. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 17:24, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Actually, CWM moved it twice. A proper revert would put the article at Kentucky same-sex marriage license controversy. Any change from that article title should be done only after a formal discussion to reach a consensus using the move request discussion process. Instructions on how to suggest renaming an article can be found at WP:RM. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:12, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

I have move-protected the page to prevent any disruption. I'd be happy to make any small changes to the title, if there's a consensus to do so. Otherwise, this page will only be moved, or deleted, or merged, or whatever after the requested move discussion linked in the section above, or some other discussion, has reached a consensus. -- zzuuzz 17:17, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Please return the page title to Kentucky same-sex marriage license controversy. That is the title it had before today's non-consensus page moving began. —BarrelProof (talk) 17:21, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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