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A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	How about this? You're one of the wheels that keeps SPI moving. Sometimes ignored (cause who looks at tires?) but if you go missing, we're in for a bumpy ride. NeilN 05:04, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks much but it's unbecoming of me to be petulant. However, as long as I'm in that mood, you have no idea how long the check on that SPI took me and how brutishly complicated it was. There, I feel a bit better.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:09, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

What, it wasn't just, "SELECT socks FROM magicSockList WHERE sockMaster = 'Altimgamr'"? --NeilN 05:18, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Maybe I'm just way too tired, but I don't get what you said. You're welcome to clarify, but I won't be able to respond until tomorrow as I'm off to bed. Best.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:26, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

LOLz. Now I feel better (innocent TP bystander). Softlavender (talk) 11:03, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

It's a SQL statement run against a table created by the AI we all know is behind Misplaced Pages. Hmm, not sure if this "clarification" made it better or worse. --NeilN 14:35, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely second this - you do some tough, nasty and needed work over there. Ravensfire (talk) 12:36, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Question about SPI

Hi. Do I need to submit a SPI case for this guy every time he returns with a new account? Not only this case, but what should I do with obvious socks? Report them to WP:AIV? --Zyma (talk) 15:33, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Your link above doesn't work.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:40, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Bbb23: I fixed it samtar 15:43, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, samtar. Zyma, you can in some circumstances request a CU without reopening the case, but I don't guarantee the request will be honored. As for AIV, if the account is a vandalism-only account and has been duly warned, you can report it to AIV, but you can't report an account there based on an allegation of socking. That's not what that board is for.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:45, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

That board should really be renamed to "Administrator intervention against easily handled incidents". We get all kinds of stuff there. How non-vandalism reports are handled largely depends on how close the patrolling admin adheres to the letter of the "rules". --NeilN 15:56, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

I knew you believed in total anarchy. --Bbb23 (talk) 16:23, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks. --Zyma (talk) 17:56, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Recently closed investigation

You recently closed this case here . I would like to point out that the following edits by user:D4iNa4 , , , , and , in the article Slavery and religion clearly shows biased POV edits. It looks similar the changes done earlier by user:Bladesmulti, which is a confirmed sockpuppet of OccultZone, in the following edit . Now, a new user, user:Capitals00 is making the same changes as , as seen here . Xtremedood (talk) 11:29, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	For countering disruption through great SPI work. GAB 20:35, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I got a kick out of your comment at the SPI.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:28, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Srlsly Bbb, three barnstars in five days? You're making the rest of us look bad ... Softlavender (talk) 00:45, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

The latest Rolandi+ sock

Hi Bbb23, this newly-created account appears to be the latest Rolani sock , from the contribs and date of creation. Thanks, Athenean (talk) 19:30, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Possibly compromised account

Hello. I think Bonadea's blanking of her user pages has something to do with a paid editing scheme she's been looking at, as I wrote on ANI (and there's more about what I think here, including a couple of diffs). I feel strongly about this both because I've had only positive encounters with her, and because I hate to see the paid bad guys win... Thomas.W 20:22, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the history. I just put one piece of it to bed. The rest can be handled without a CheckUser. Frankly, I thought the smileys next to her comments indicated that the account wasn't compromised. Rather, she was just being playfully sarcastic. Still, it's a bit unusual to remove even the headers from your Talk page. She can, of course, always restore the pages, though.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:27, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Shaistakausar.pk

I was hoping you'd just archive it rather than nuke it. I apologise for trying to save anybody the effort of reinvestigating their relationship. Bazj (talk) 23:01, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Nothing to apologize for. Archiving follows a strict structure based on a script, and comments can't be archived.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:06, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Labyrinth CCG

Sorry, I did not know I made that last section without logging in. I am recreating it, because it keeps throwing an error saying "this edit is not constructive", and all I was doing was adding a comment, or at least that is how I thought I should add a comment (::comment text).

I am new to Misplaced Pages, and I am trying to understand the 'Credible claim of significance' thing that caused the Labyrinth CCG page to get speedily deleted. I am trying to create a video game stub describing the game, similar to these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/Cloudbuilt

https://en.wikipedia.org/Blackguards_2

https://en.wikipedia.org/Category:Video_game_stubs

but it keeps getting deleted. Are these stubs that I am designing it after also supposed to be deleted? What information do I need to include in order to prevent instant deletion? InvincibleWall (talk) 14:19, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't see any way you can make that into an encylopedic article. If I understand properly, it's a video game that has not yet been released and is being developed by a non-notable company paid for by crowdfunding.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:12, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Please see ARCA

Please see this request at WP:ARCA. Thank you, RGloucester — ☎ 17:01, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Question about article probation dealing with men's rights topics

The White Ribbon Campaign article has had quite a bloc of info added to it sourced to A Voice For Men. I was wondering if this means the article now falls under the restrictions of said article probation and thought I'd ask an admin. Ongepotchket (talk) 03:23, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

The material that was added to the article was not neutral and either unreliably sourced or unsourced. Even the material that had a reliable source did not hew to the source. I've corrected it. I imagine it will be challenged. You seem to be keeping an eye on the article. You should have no hesitancy to prevent such material being added. As to your question, the answer is probably. You have to ask yourself if it has material that is related to men's rights, not always an easy question.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:09, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Deletion review for Huccha Venkat

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Huccha Venkat. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Rajannamysore (talk) 15:46, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

CK Morgan

Hi there Bbb. Directing this query to you as you just closed the latest in the ongoing series of BarbaraJohnson/CK Morgan sockpuppets. Do you think there is any chance CK Morgan and it's various permutations can be salted? True, every time it is deleted another version with different punctuation pops up, but still.... Coretheapple (talk) 18:38, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Actually, JamesBWatson disposed of the sock and closed the SPI. I simply archived it. Also, I notice that James has been a deleting admin on these pages, so it might be better to direct your question to him. Frankly, if a sockmaster clearly knows how to circumvent salting, salting each permutation is generally a waste of time.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:43, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@Coretheapple: When I deleted the latest copy of the article, I decided not to salt the titles, for the reason Bbb23 says. In fact, once an editor has shown that he or she is willing to change the title of an article to try to avoid detection, it is if anything better not to salt titles, because it's easier to find re-created copies of the article if they are allowed to appear at titles that can be watched, rather than forcing them to be made at new titles that we can't predict. This time, for example, I discovered the latest copy of the article because Norvoid moved the article from a new title to one which had already been used, and which I was watching, which could not have happened if that title had been salted. Actually, on this occasion Norvoid also opened a new SPI case, so it would have been dealt with by someone, even if not by me, but another time if the article is created at a new title and stays there, it is perfectly possible that nobody will notice it. There are situations where salting can be helpful, but this isn't one of them. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 19:46, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@JamesBWatson: Yes, I do see your point. Thanks for the explanation. So, do I take it that moving that article to CK Morgan was a good idea? I said otherwise to Norvoid, but I see now that I may have been mistaken, and if so I want to go back and set the record straight. Coretheapple (talk) 19:52, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

@Coretheapple: As I said, this time it probably didn't make much difference, since some admin or other would have dealt with it at SPI anyway, but I have known cases in the past when moving an article in this way has been helpful, as it has called attention to an article which might otherwise have not been recognised as a re-creation of a deleted article. So yes, I do think it was a good idea. Basically, we are dealing with a sockpuppeteer who is deliberately using an article title which is unlikely to be expected, to avoid detection, and moving it to a more expected title thwarts that plan. (By the way, when I posted above I deliberately linked Norvoid so that he/she would see this thread, and I'm doing it again now, so "going back and setting the record straight" is probably not necessary, but of course you can do so if you prefer to.) The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 21:26, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Query relating to a CheckUser block

I have received a talk page message from an IP editor claiming to be Babitaarora, whom you blocked as a result of your CheckUSer at a SPI which is at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Chander/Archive.

The claim of Babitaarora and Chander is that they are respectively brother and sister, who have used the same laptop computer, thus accounting for the CU evidence. Of course, I am fully aware of the "my little brother" excuse for sockpuppetry (and in this case it is indeed the brother who is supposed to be younger), but even so, that does not rule out the possibility that this time it may be true, so I have extensively examined the editing history to look for behavioural evidence. I do not doubt that all the other accounts you listed at the SPI were indeed sockpuppets of Chander, but Babitaarora looks rather different. There is indeed a considerable overlap of what articles have been edited, more so than would be typical for two siblings editing independently. Nevertheless, I also saw some very striking differences in ways of expressing themselves and using English, and some striking differences in use of edit summaries. For example, skimming down Chanders's contributions history, I was struck by the frequency of edits where the edit summary was just (uw), which he used when creating a new talk page to post a warning. In his last 250 edits, he used that edit summary 52 times, but Babitaarora has never used that edit summary, at least not in her last 1000 edits. In fact, when Babitaarora has created talk pages to post warnings, she has produced edit summaries of the form (←Created page with '==October 2015 == {{subst:uw-vandalism1|}} ~~~~'), which accounts for 17 of her last 250 edits, while Chander has never produced that type of edit summary. It is way beyond any reasonable possibility that such a degree of difference would be just chance coincidence from an editor using two accounts randomly, so either the accounts are not the same person or else it is someone putting in a remarkable effort to make it look like two editors, in a rather obscure way that he or she could not reasonably have expected would be checked. I have also seen more examples of types of edit summaries that tend to be more common for one or other of the accounts, but those are the most striking and extreme examples.

In this sort of situation, I like to check talk page posts to look for similarities or differences in ways of expressing themselves. Chander has a very poor grasp of English grammar: for example, after being blocked he wrote "Why you blocked my account without notifying me about this or asked me about the multiple accounts or paid editing issues before blocking? Why you calling me a paid editor when you know that I'm a whitelist user and has done 6K edits on thousands of articles?" Babitaarora, on the other hand, has a much higher competence in English, as a quick look at her talk page will show.

Another thing to look for is evidence of abuse of multiple accounts. I can find none. Even when the two accounts have edited the same page, I have not seen a single example of doing so in abusive ways, such as edit-warring in tandem, or supporting one another's opinions in discussions to give a spurious impression of independent support. In fact, if the two accounts were used by one person, then I can see no reason why the editor has bothered to do so.

It looks to me very much as though all the other accounts that you listed at the SPI were indeed sockpuppets of Chander, but that Babitaarora may well really be his sister, as she claims. Can you let me know what you think? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:49, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

James, it may be a while before I get back to you. I have too many irons in the fire right now, and I'm feeling stretched. I'm also trying to prepare for the holidays, and, typically, I'm nonetheless spending far too much time on-wiki. You know how that goes I'm sure. In the interim, I'm curious about one thing. Let's assume Babitaarora is indeed this other user's sister and unrelated to Chander (that part is tough, btw, and I'll have to look deeper into the technical evidence to see if that's even plausible), what assurance do we have that she can control her computer in the future?--Bbb23 (talk) 17:32, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I edit Indian entertainment articles and we need her in Misplaced Pages. She cannot stop her family members from using the computer which may not be her personal computer. In Indian middle class families, parents don't purchase separate computers. She has become an innocent victim.The Avengers (talk) 18:06, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Bbb23, I do indeed know, only too well, what it's like to be spending far too much time on-wiki while you have real life things that need to be dealt with, so I won't be upset if it takes a while for you to get back onto this. However, for when you do have time, I will say a few things in answer to your question.

1. Are we dealing only with a block on the Babitaarora account, or is there also an IP block involved? As far as the block on the account is concerned, whether it is blocked or not will make no difference to whether someone else can access the computer and the internet connection. Of course, it could make a difference if he is likely to use her account, rather than just use the computer without having access to her account. However, for the sorts of reasons I outlined above, it looks to me very much as though the accounts have in the past been used exclusively by different people, without use of the Babitaarora account by both editors. Of course, that could change, but without any evidence that it is likely to do so, we have to assume it won't: we don't keep editors blocked on the basis of speculation that they might do something.
2. If there is also a non-"anon only" IP block which you know about and I don't, then lifting that could perhaps let the other editor in, but since Babitaarora has already edited from an IP address without logging in (as she did when she posted to my talk page) she evidently has access to an internet connection which is not IP-blocked, and probably the other editor (if it is another one) can do the same. I therefore don't see that unblocking her account is very likely to make a difference to her "brother"'s ability to edit.
3. Generally speaking, we try to avoid blocking an innocent editor because of the faults of another editor as far as we can: that is why IP addresses are very commonly blocked only for a day or two, even when the abuse is sufficient that had it come from an account there would have been an indefinite block. The present situation is very similar: we should try to avoid blocking one editor because of another editor's actions if we reasonably can. You can see CheckUser data which I can't, which in most cases would encourage me to defer to your judgement. However, in this case I don't think that makes any difference, since it is admitted that the accounts have used the same computer on the same internet connection, and the only issue is whether it was one person or two people using that computer on that connection. On the basis of various observations, a sample of which I have given above, I am convinced that it was not just one person. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 21:10, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

• I see that you have not got back onto this, although since you posted here you have made nearly 100 edits, including making some CU reports. I do understand that checking such things takes time, and if you find this case a particularly difficult one, requiring an amount of time you can't afford at present, perhaps it would be better if I ask another CheckUser to look at it instead. Alternatively, since I don't see that CheckUser tools are relevant (since, as I said above, use of the same computer and internet connection is not in dispute) I could ask for a review on an admin noticeboard. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 10:07, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Никита-Родин-2002

Hello. Nikita Rodin is an old "friend" of mine who almost always tags his own socks, even before they're blocked, and reports himself at SPI in order to rack up as many blocked and tagged socks as possible, no doubt to have something to brag to his equally juvenile friends about. Which is why I'm not adding this to the SPI. Special:Contributions/107.155.78.242 geolocates to Austin, TX, but is Rodin, judging by the contributions, including the self-tagging, so it's probably an open proxy. Special:Contributions/188.32.104.125 geolocates to Moscow (which is where he's now, after previously having been in Saint Petersburg, Russia) and is Rodin (as clearly evident by the contributions, including adding a sock tag to their own talk page), and Janger IN (talk · contribs · count) is with all probability also Rodin (note the obsession with sock tags, adding or modifying sock tags on both their own user page and the user pages of two previous Rodin socks, Mya2ru and Mya2rud, #1, #2, #3). He seems fairly harmless, mostly engaging in tagging himself and editing the Misplaced Pages Sandbox, but his socks can't be totally ignored, because he occasionally goes on a high speed vandalism spree, moving other people's user pages around, blanking articles etc etc. Thomas.W 15:25, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

107.155.78.244 is a colocator, meaning generally anyone with a credit card can buy their services and hide their true location. Socks should be blocked. Perhaps they shouldn't be tagged per WP:DENY, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be blocked just because at the moment, they haven't done anything clearly disruptive. He wouldn't be the first sockmaster that brags about the number of socks he's created. Most masters have some sort of agenda.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:58, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

He has now started archiving SPI-cases (, ). Thomas.W 08:02, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

RAGHUallen

Hi B, curious about this situation: User RAGHUallen, a user who'd been causing some promotional difficulty at Indian cinema articles, was blocked by Diannaa the other day for copyright violations. This guy Himesh Kuttiyal popped up after not editing in almost 2 months to request an autoblock be lifted. He was subsequently blocked be Elockid. The users have quite a bit of intersection, and frankly I've felt for a while that I'm dealing with a sock ring in Indian cinema. I'm curious about sleepers. Should I create an SPI? Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:17, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

If you think there are sleepers, then you should open an SPI and request a CU with an explanation as to your reasoning.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:52, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

November 24, 2015

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Krzyhorse22 (talk) 20:12, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Time tables

User:Annoy_Chakraborty has been adding time tables of trains to lot of pages. As per WP:NTT those are not required. I had this on his talk page. But same kind of edits again yesterday here.--Vin09 (talk) 05:52, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

His contributions - here.--Vin09 (talk) 05:56, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

If this is something I've been involved with before, you'll have to remind me what it is. Otherwise, I'm not sure why you're coming to me.--Bbb23 (talk) 09:35, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

OK. Thank you. I thought any admin can look into it. Sorry to take your time.--Vin09 (talk) 10:11, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Bbb23

Hello,

I need your hel sir or madam,

I have been gone for a while, I started editing again last night. I made a vote on ani to oppose topic banning for to w17. I read over all the info and saw that W17 looks to have made a staremenr from his mobile phone. The dude clearly asked. In his. Statement that has a. punter proposal for a topic ban against editor savktuaryx. I tried to adjust the subtopics heading to let his asking for a topic ban for her on all the Allie c articles. The dude has the to put forth a to ban proposal as swell. Could you please look art he headings an d make this fair to all. Hopefully not but those there might say you are wrong too. I am washing my hands of this altogether thank you I hope you time to at least make the topic headings equitable Zpeopleheart (talk) 21:01, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Hmm bon appetit.

Drmies (talk) 00:56, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Rolandi's latest sock

Edit warring to re-instate his previous sock's edits. Can anything be done with this guy? He just keeps creating new socks. Doesn't even bother creating a user page anymore. Athenean (talk) 02:15, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Concerning User:Excelse

Checkuser has shown that Excelse and Related0877 are confirmed sockpuppets, although Excelse has explicitly claimed that they are different users (see ). It is likely that Excelse has also used this IP in order to remove the same content and to avoid the 3RR. So he may be one of my former opponents who was banned by arbcom some years ago, and by reporting me for alleged probation violations he seems to be the person who is gaming the system here. For a relatively new user with less than 100 edits, he is all too well-versed with specific Misplaced Pages terminology such as WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT; WP:GAMING; WP:POINT; WP:RSN; WP:FORUM; WP:CHERRYPICK; WP:BLUDGEONING, etc. (see the many false claims made in this arbcom case, which has now been closed by the administrators), as would only have been expected from a user who in the past was deeply involved in similar edit wars and arbcom cases. To my mind, this user should be banned or placed on probation for sockpuppetry, edit warring, making false claims and gaming the system. His edits were clearly disruptive as he and his sockpuppets have only blindly removed content from Misplaced Pages articles - content that was part of the said articles for several years. Other users were of the same opinion. See, for instance, this revision history, which shows that, according to User:RA0808, the repeated removal of content from the Memphis Mafia article was unexplained. Furthermore, despite of this warning by administrator EdJohnson, Excelse has continued to remove content that is not in line with his personal opinion from article pages (see ), and it is to be feared that this will also happen in the future. See also his justification on ]. Onefortyone (talk) 11:52, 26 November 2015 (UTC)