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*I assume that {{U|Safehaven86}} is referring to ] when they say that "He was banned for one week for editing Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity because of that group's Koch connection." What I see there is Ricky81682 blocking for making very specific edits that involve the Kochs ("You added content that specifically refers to the Koch brothers"). Edits to Watchdog.org (, , and ) do not seem to involve the Kochs at all. What I see is some slippage here, by Safehaven and by the complainant, {{U|Champaign Supernova}}, from "making a Koch edit in an article" to "making an edit in a Koch article"--that is, and I'm citing the complaint here, "following editing on Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity", the accusation was incomplete, and should have said "following Koch-related editing etc." Likewise, I don't see anything that violates the topic ban in : HughD wasn't banned from editing that article either. ] (]) 19:47, 30 November 2015 (UTC) *I assume that {{U|Safehaven86}} is referring to ] when they say that "He was banned for one week for editing Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity because of that group's Koch connection." What I see there is Ricky81682 blocking for making very specific edits that involve the Kochs ("You added content that specifically refers to the Koch brothers"). Edits to Watchdog.org (, , and ) do not seem to involve the Kochs at all. What I see is some slippage here, by Safehaven and by the complainant, {{U|Champaign Supernova}}, from "making a Koch edit in an article" to "making an edit in a Koch article"--that is, and I'm citing the complaint here, "following editing on Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity", the accusation was incomplete, and should have said "following Koch-related editing etc." Likewise, I don't see anything that violates the topic ban in : HughD wasn't banned from editing that article either. ] (]) 19:47, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
**{{U|Safehaven86}}, you have a point, and one or two of the <s>fools</s> <s>suckers</s> reverend editors running for ArbCom have pointed in that direction also--the direction being "broadly construed". One could construe this topic ban broadly but since the connection with Koch is really, ''really'' tenuous in those edits, "broadly construed" practically extends to, as {{U|Gamaliel}} points out, "a ''de facto'' American Politics topic ban" (good thing Gamaliel isn't running for ArbCom--he has too much common sense) and that's stretching the original topic ban too far. Thanks, ] (]) 02:00, 1 December 2015 (UTC) **{{U|Safehaven86}}, you have a point, and one or two of the <s>fools</s> <s>suckers</s> reverend editors running for ArbCom have pointed in that direction also--the direction being "broadly construed". One could construe this topic ban broadly but since the connection with Koch is really, ''really'' tenuous in those edits, "broadly construed" practically extends to, as {{U|Gamaliel}} points out, "a ''de facto'' American Politics topic ban" (good thing Gamaliel isn't running for ArbCom--he has too much common sense) and that's stretching the original topic ban too far. Thanks, ] (]) 02:00, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

== Aggressive rhetoric ==

Hi all, I would like to report aggressive rhetoric and sometimes even disruptive behavior by ]. A warning might be needed. -] (]) 10:39, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

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    Jaakobou

    Jaakobou notified that the edits in question are violations of their ban and requests for an exemption to the ban have been declined. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 10:39, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Jaakobou

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Nableezy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 23:34, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Jaakobou (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 01:05, 13 November 2015 Discussing the real world conflict
    2. 12:13, 12 November 2015 Discussing the real world conflict
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. 04:16, 8 March 2012 banned indefinitely from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all namespaces
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Didn't feel like adding every diff, but pretty much every edit made by the user since October 30th has been a violation of the topic ban. And add the stealth canvassing to a discussion opened in violation of the ban.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Notified

    Discussion concerning Jaakobou

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    Statement by Jaakobou

    This complaint is with no merit and should be quickly dismissed. I requested a review of a flaw in how policy is implemented. Following that suggestion to go to WP:UP, I prepared text and pinged multiple admins. I Listened to feedback as well. Discussion on UP was very slow and with little participation, thus I contacted French, who have some recent knowledge on militancy. I have no special reason to think they support Israel or my preferred addition to the polemics policy -- which you can see does not mention Israel:

    • " Poetic militancy in support of or promoting violent acts, quotes and paraphrases to raise the spirit of fight and other forms of political militant activism are not permitted." (on user-pages)

    I did mention that there are a lot of stabbing attacks in Israel and changing clarifying the policy is not going to hurt the project. If there is real belief on Arbcom that by mentioning real-world casualties of terrorism in Israel I have crossed the line, I apologize. I've made a considerable effort to make the matter general.

    Side note: Nableezy (talk · contribs) has a bit of a history of grinding axes with those "he is disallowed from naming". I actually believe he's in violation of WP:POLEMIC as well, keeping a list of wiki-enemies on his user-page. I hope that others who comment on this request will disclose any COI which they might have. Jaakobou 00:30, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

    re: @Serialjoepsycho:

    I contacted the French wikiproject and a few contributors on the article for the recent Paris attack. I did so due to low participation rates (RfC) and assuming they are aware of what "militancy" means nowadays. I had no reason to did not think they would favor my preferred policy amendments and I wanted to get the discussion going. I don't endorse a "let's count votes" mentality. I think they can add insight to the discussion. Perhaps persuade the parties of point a or b or raise a new point or new suggestion as well. In my process, I have contacted for input admins who have disagreed with me as well. I do apologize for losing my patience (after three days and more of this) and using emails. That wasn't a good idea was a bad idea and I will refrain from doing that. Jaakobou 02:00, 15 November 2015 (UTC) clearer Jaakobou 02:09, 15 November 2015 (UTC) + note, links, rephrase. Jaakobou 02:28, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
    • re to:
      • For some reason, maybe "ideological struggle", maybe not, two prominent participants' statements do not comply with WP:BARS. On and off-wiki matters have been presented with low degree of truth. This happened as well. I am a firm believer in proper disclosure on these matters. Comments like this show you want a balanced reputable Misplaced Pages. Not sure why, but this came to my mind as well. I will use that last diff as opportunity to reiterate my apology and acknowledgement of misjudgement in sending out a few emails. We've had very few participants and I got impatient and reached out to a project with some knowledge on the issue presented.Jaakobou 12:42, 16 November 2015 (UTC) + Jaakobou 12:44, 16 November 2015 (UTC) +balanced reputable Misplaced Pages Jaakobou 13:43, 16 November 2015 (UTC) + Jaakobou 13:52, 16 November 2015 (UTC) m Jaakobou 13:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
    re :
    "ban over turned"
    No. That is a misinterpretation. I asked for a 'review on the way I was herded off'. Meaning, I felt my concerns about pro-stabbing content was mishandled. 'This does not require any review of my contributions, past or present' qualifies my lack of interest in discussing about the ban itself (a comment which was ignored). My first comment in 2015, btw, was to the same admin. Anyway, I found some less busy audience and kept the issue on the wider picture rather than making it user specific. e.g. "I did notice you wanted concrete samples but I am concerned that pointing fingers would end up with comments about how bad/acceptable a/b/c examples are and distract from the idea of establishing a clear no 'mukawama' policy." Yes, wider perspective included mention of propaganda that relates to real-world attacks on Jews, which is in some way connected to the conflict I am topic banned from. I did ping @Timotheus Canens: (a 3rd time), @Foxj:, @Kim Dent-Brown:, @Black Kite:, @Crazycomputers: -- involved admins (including ones who voted to ban me) to see the issue I was raising for discussion. While I can understand the interpretation you made from the word 'review', nowhere in there is a request to have the ban lifted. Also, you are seriously misrepresenting the upfront manner in which I addressed my concerns. There's a plethora of ways to it inappropriately, mine is pretty high on the "up-front". Also, I could care less about poking editors. My concerns are another 3 stabbing attacks that occurred today and this site's mishandling of its own policy where heavy political bias is introduced. This is easily applied to any ISIS, Taliban, Ukrain, Boko Haram, etc. conflict that includes attacks on civilians and writings which advocate for it.
    -- Jaakobou 22:05, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
    I have lost my cool back in 2012. Another four stabbing attacks today as well. The combination of terrorism and circumvention of policy are at the core of how I was herded off wikipedia.
    1) Misplaced Pages is a project to create a neutral encyclopedia. Use of the site for other purposes, such as advocacy or propaganda...and political or ideological struggle, is prohibited. (Passed 11 to 0)
    The fact that anyone would be forced to argue about such things is absurd but Serialjoepsycho and Nishidani think there's nothing wrong with it. Anyway, I'm not asking back. Just that the POLEMIC policy is made abundantly clear for everyone. Either it is allowed for everyone, or disallowed.
    -- Jaakobou 14:06, 23 November 2015 (UTC) +1 Jaakobou 15:06, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

    re: @Nishidani:

    Proper disclosure, though his user-page was the only a clear standout from the few I looked at, I refrained from bringing it as example to the POLEMICS discussion. "'Even Gandhi would understand the Palestinians’ violence" is one of a few things that caught my eye. Jaakobou 16:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
    I hope that others who comment on this request will disclose any COI which they might have.
    p.s. This is irrelevant, but Jerusalem is in Israel. Jaakobou 16:38, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
    + Since Nishidani's user page doesn't do any advocacy or use of the term "violence" I must take back every statement made and haven't made that he is not reliable and a long term detriment to the project, working behind the scenes with friends to block people he disagrees with.

    Al Rosh HaGanav:

    Proper disclosure on my part with this. Apologies for using an old and often humorously contexted proverb regarding the COI/'direct interest' issue, that wasn't helpful. I was taken by surprise seeing Serialjoepsycho showing clear bias (per: "subjugated population") after he repeatedly insisted that no one needs to disclose anything. Jaakobou 12:15, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
    p.s. Not intending to be rude, but a few statements made by Serialjoepsycho about the Israeli-Arab conflict are incorrect. Sample. Anyway, everyone's entitled to their opinion. Though, I hope wiki user-space advocacy and soapboxing favoring violence would find its way out the door.
    Respectfully, Jaakobou 14:30, 18 November 2015 (UTC) + link Jaakobou 14:36, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
    With regard to my last note: polemics about Israel's military, Palestinian violence, and links to, among others, a dead child are not "nothing polemic".
    -- Jaakobou 14:50, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

    re by @EdJohnston::

    a) I am not claiming user-space on wikipedia causes violence. Obviously, people with guns don't go around reading wikipedia user-pages. This point is irrelevant.
    b) I asked about bringing this to ARBCOM, but was answered that this type of material "is already prohibited"
    c) Like I mentioned to @Callanecc: on their MFD suggestion. It would seem there's always someone reputable to defend policy violations when it comes to a certain small country.
    d) 3 adjacent quotes/paraphrases about Jews, Israeli settlers and Zionism at the top of a user-page. One specifically links "sharpen the weapons with which he will secure his victory" against a certain group of people. Shakespeare, it's not.
    e) It is: "Polemical statements unrelated to Misplaced Pages, or statements attacking or vilifying groups"
    f) I have no intention of targeting a specific user or making this an Israel-Arab issue. It is the principle of polemics circumvention.
    g) If user-space were to support and/or promote ISIS aggression against Europe, it would be promptly removed. Having to argue about this is an absurdity.
    h) More-so when (outside the West-Bank) the wide scale wave of attacks include 80-year-old women (Rishon Lezion, November 2, 2015) and School teachers (Marseille. 11 hours ago) - not given exception, I am refraining from linking. The point in mentioning this not the conflict I'm living, but the general disrepute such activities can bring to the project and the environment that these type of writings creates for writers in already heated areas.
    i) ISIS support and songs about how the Paris theatre massacre "scratched the enemy’s face, broke his dreams and stopped his satisfaction with time" could be viewed as "very profound and of great value to us in these revolutionary times." -- but are they "already prohibited" or not?
    j) I reiterate my desire is to clarify WP:POLEMIC so that there won't be confusion anymore about what is allowed and what is not.
    Big picture: Support and promotion of terrorism against civilians is inappropriate for wikipedia's user-space.
    With respect, Jaakobou 08:23, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

    re @Callanecc::

    But is it already prohibited? I'm not allowed to talk about it anymore so this is my last. Who will speak for the trees? Jaakobou 08:30, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

    re @EdJohnston::

    Should the policy read: "advocacy related to violent conflicts is fine as long as it is not the direct cause for violence"?
    Also this just happened in "subjugated" Tel-Aviv.
    Let me know. Jaakobou 12:53, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

    re @EdJohnston::

    Why are you ignoring every single point I mentioned to you? (sample: ) Jaakobou 20:42, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
    p.s. I won't ignore your note, though. I will refrain from further participation on that RfC. Jaakobou 20:44, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

    re @Nishidani::

    That's not advocacy. - Nishidani 22:09, 20 November 2015
    I cannot participate on the RfC and it seems proper to also refrain from further input on this one.
    -- Jaakobou 23:32, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

    Is it already prohibited?

    ARBCOM members should Please disclose your view on this. It appears many admins and fellow editors haven't got a clue what POLEMIC is about and these editors apply personal biases and whim (e.g. "unwavering belief in freedom of speech"), lending a hand to systematic bias. If users (mentioned here or not) start supporting "revolutionary" ISIS against "Western colonialists", can they use their Misplaced Pages user-space to advocate the righteousness of militancy against civilians or not? Jaakobou 10:00, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
    - "What on Earth does it have to do with Misplaced Pages, except expressing a political position"
    - "I find nothing polemic about either thing"

    I immediately disclosed that my motivation for raising the policy issue a second time was related to real world stabbings. To assume this is meant to circumvent the ban on Israel-Arab related matters and/or poke at certain editors; to prevent the conversation, is a horrible case of bureaucratic failure and lack of common sense. Just look at recent "jihadist" discussions in France. Serialjoepsycho disagrees with the policy completely but he, at least initially, felt (rightly so) that "This falls outside of ARBPIA.". He struck through this statement of support only following our discussion about whether it is OK or not to post a notice on Misplaced Pages project France. Btw, I did contribute here and there to Misplaced Pages in the time passed. Only without logging in and outside the scope of the ban. I wanted to address the policy issue up front. There's nothing wrong with that. The opposite is true. Jaakobou 19:47, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

    Statement by Serialjoepsycho 2

    This falls outside of ARBPIA. While the language used is nonsensical it does nothing to specially target the Israel Arab topic area. Poetic Militancy could just as easily target the Ukraine insurgency and it's supporters.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 23:46, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

    This is stretching broadly construed far beyond intent. AE is not meant as a sword against your enemies. The subject Poetic militancy. It's core focus is not using Misplaced Pages to promote and support the violence of groups that have in someway been labeled terrorist. Or more specifically not using wikipedia to soapbox. This would target you nableezy and the soapboxing userbox that you have on your user page. That's why we are here.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 00:47, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
    While I agree that this should not fall under WP:ARBPIA or more specifically discretionary sanctions should not be used to handle this. However noting Jaakobou comments I don't wish them walking away thinking their actions were appropriate. They contacted Wikiproject France ] due to the recent terrorist attacks in Paris hoping to find editors favorable to their position. In addition they emailed other users to the discussion. These are very clear violations of WP:CANVASS.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 01:33, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
    Jaakobou, you don't have to explain yourself to me. I really don't care. If you didn't know the canvassing policy before that's fine. You've been made aware of it now. It's unacceptable. WP:Canvass. Contacting wikiproject France would never be appropriate for this discussion. You can't target them at all period. Not because you think they will have a favorable opinion. You can not target them because you think will have some special insight because they were attacked by terrorists yesterday. WP:CANVASS explains how to do an appropriate notification. You can get impatient and seek further comment but with the appropriate notification.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 02:31, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
    Jaakobou, that's not a COI. There's nothing to disclose.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 02:25, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
    Honestly I still don't feel should be held under WP:ARBPIA. I feel this is more of a matter for ANI. However this topic area is increasingly becoming the sole focus of the conversation. -Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 12:14, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

    Jaakobou, Clear bias? That's asinine. Palestine territories are a subjugated population. They have been under military occupation since 1967. They have been under the control of Israel since that time and have not been allowed to practice their right to self determination.

    Further I don't have a conflict of interest. You suggesting that I do brings up a real question of competency. Competence is required here.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 13:09, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

    This is actually becoming pure jackassery at this point. This is not a place to discuss the Palestine-Israel conflict, you are barred from doing so, and your passive aggressive attempts at doing so with out violating that are unclear anyway. I'm some how so wrong but it's not clear what I'm wrong on. Am I wrong that they are under military occupation? Am I wrong that they have been unable to practice their right to self determination? Showing that they have limited self government proves neither wrong, nor does it suggest either is wrong. I would respond to your other comments but like the comments I've already responded to they seem purposeless.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 23:06, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
    • At this point I just need to walk away. The discussion of issue is about a Misplaced Pages policy. Even if someone is topic banned from something they need to need to be given enough leeway so to discuss it if it's tangentially related to issues that the wikipedia policy discussion is about. Such leeway should be used with discretion certainly, but per the canvassing issue alone I don't think they violated any reasonable discretion. This is not the first time anyone has violated the canvassing policy with out knowing about it. Seems reasonable that they were not aware of it considering their reactions. Still it is concerning that they don't seem to understand the canvassing policy and their comments related to it after the policy was pointed out. Regarding anything else I can't argue that they used in reasonable discretion in this conversation. And thus I walk away.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 03:24, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

    I have to retract any statement of support here. Having a conversation with this editor has raised multiple red flags. Reviewing their editing history they stopped editing 2012. They came back at the end of October of this year. They contacted multiple admins in quick succession. First trying to discuss their and overturn their topic ban. This moves quickly into discussing polemics. Before making a decision or taking action it may be apt to review their editing history since returning.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 13:30, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

    • I don't disagree with the policy at all. I disagree with your interpretation of the policy. I disagree with your proposed changes to the policy as well.
    • Users should be given the leeway to discuss policy and bring up subjects that may violate their topic ban, especially when the policy is social in nature. However any such leeway should be used with discretion. It is only now that you are even using a modicum of discretion and that's only halfhearted. You forumshopped multiple admins, first trying to get your topic ban over turned. Then when that wasn't working you started using ambiguous language to get permission to violate your topic ban. The only thing you haven't done at this point is make a honest attempt at changing the policy. You've used loaded language and canvassed to promote it. I do not support giving you leeway now that it's clear that you are a disruptive editor that holds long grudges. I'm not even sure there's a valid reason to do anything other than indef you, of course this is for the admins to decide. Since leaving in 2012 you've made no meaningful contributions that I can see to wikipedia. Your using your account to sopabox and that's all. I think it's really time for this to stop.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 21:09, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

    Statement by nableezy

    He's using examples specifically within the topic area. this is a direct reference to Tiamut's user page (the Incitement to "sharpen the weapons" against Jews, albeit masqueraded as a paraphrase on Shakespeare (quoted from an Arab newspaper) and whatnot), a user Jaak has an interaction ban with. That same diff discusses "Arab 'mukawama'" (which despite what the user thinks isnt an Arab doctrine of conflict enhancement whatever that is supposed to mean, it's the Arabic word for resistance). And pretty much every article he links to in for example this, this, and this is about ongoing attacks in Israel and the Palestinian territories. The user is banned from discussing the conflict anywhere on Misplaced Pages, so I disagree that this falls outside of ARBPIA. He could have worded it so that it did, but he has not. nableezy - 00:21, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
    I really dont think its stretching anything, considering what caused Jaak to be banned indefinitely in the first place was pretty much this exact same discussion. Discussing the actual conflict on Misplaced Pages is part of his ban, not much need for any construal. nableezy - 07:28, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

    Statement by Nishidani

    I did mention that there are a lot of stabbing attacks in Israel

    Jaakobou. You might rephrase that to read 'there are a lot of stabbing attacks in Jerusalem and the West Bank', which are not in Israel.Nishidani (talk) 14:07, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

    Reading this it appears clear that you wish to return to Misplaced Pages to edit about 'Arab' stabbings, precisely the kind of 'militant' interest in advancing a POV that got you banned in the first place. We have an abundant number of socks, POV pushers, and IPs already diligently applying themselves to fanning the flames here, as witness the remarkable number of redlinked editors jumping into I/P articles since October. Nishidani (talk) 14:31, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
    Once could consider this evidence of why Jaakobou should not return to Misplaced Pages. He pings me to reply to the following question: 'Q: Aren't you tired of promotion and legitimization of violence against civilians?. This is a gross distortion of what I do here, and a personal attack on my presence in the I/P area.It is effectively saying that in simply looking after articles on the death tolls of violence in that area, by noting down that there are numerous Palestinian casualties, I am encouraging violence against (Israeli) civilians. How long may Jaakobou be given leave from his sanction to conduct a polite form of character assassination?Nishidani (talk) 15:16, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
    Jaakobou. This whole charade of 'concern' about polemic violations is a complete Potemkin village montage, dangling an absurd fantasy that named editors (in diffs) somehow subscribe to terrorism. It's deeply offensive, in both the military and etiquette sense of that word. You are now questioning also the integrity of admins, and badgering them in successive WP:TLDR screeds. This place is for concrete article-work, not for haranguing about some personal beef re the incumbent incitement of Islamic madness as a threat to Misplaced Pages. Nishidani (talk) 10:25, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

    Sir Joseph. I maintain, because no one else will, a comprehensive, day by day List of violent incidents in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, July–December 2015 in which every stabbing, extrajudicial killing, etc. by either side is duly registered, for the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Jerusalem and Israel, the place on each occasion precisely noted. When I noted to Jaakobou he was incorrect in associating this phenomenon (exclusively) with what happens in Israel, since most of the violence is in areas internationally recognized as occupied, and outside of Israel's internationally legitimate boundaries, he came back and insisted, contra-factually, that Jerusalem was in Israel. That is his POV, fine, but it is not true technically. Stabbings of course take place in Israel, but not the majority. And of course, Israel is a duly constituted nation, with international legitimacy, questioning the right of which to exist is a sign of anti-Semitism. I don't know how many times I have said this, even to some pro- Palestinian editors, and one tires of stating the obvious. Nishidani (talk) 21:24, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

    Statement by Sir Joseph

    I just wanted to add a statement not necessarily to prove anything one way or another, but the statement by Nishidni about the stabbings rubs me the wrong way. The fact that he had to make an edit just to say that stabbings are not done in Israel but are done in WB or what not does not make one confident that editing in the arena you will be dealing with someone who will be AGF and NPOV. There have been daily stabbings in Israel, and by Israel, I mean Israel proper. Just today, there have been two people killed in Tel Aviv, and I would like to ask Nishidani if Tel Aviv is considered Israel or occupied territories. And this is why perhaps polemics should not be included at all on userpages. Sir Joseph 17:38, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

    Statement by Foxj

    @Jaakobou: I'm at a loss as to why I'm mentioned in this request. I would appreicate if I could be dropped from the list of people you ping every time you post on Misplaced Pages about this topic. Thanks. — foxj 22:15, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

    Statement by Crazycomputers

    My total involvement in anything even potentially tangentially related to this entire situation was starting this ANI thread some three years ago.

    I don't know how that makes me an "involved admin" in this particular arbitration case. I have no statement to make and I don't know why my name was brought up here. --Chris (talk) 22:09, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Jaakobou

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    • Yes linking to anything related to the Arab-Israeli conflict is a violation of the TBAN (which I didn't know about before) including the offwiki articles however I believe that Jaakobou didn't realise it was a violation. I don't believe that sanctions are warranted, so I wonder if Timotheus Canens would consider an exemption to allow Jaakobou to continue the discussion on WT:UP (or lifting the TBAN completely). In any case, Jaakobou, youplease do not make any further edits which relate to the Arab-Israeli conflict (including discussing or linking to 'poetic militancy' related to the Arab-Israeli) until we hear back from Tim. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:00, 19 November 2015‎
    • I too would oppose lifting Jaakobou's ARBPIA topic ban or granting an exemption. In the early days of Misplaced Pages there were some userbox crusades. In the ARBPIA area it's enough work for admins just to keep on top of the article edits in hopes of keeping them neutral. On Tiamut's page we have a quote from Shakespeare where the word 'Jew' is replaced by 'Palestinian.' Tiamut's page was cited by Jaakobou in a message to Callanecc. It is hard to view this quotation as an argument for knife attacks on the West Bank. EdJohnston (talk) 05:07, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
    • Fair enough, do either of you see a need to issue a block or other sanction? I'd rather just remind them of the TBAN and IBAN and tell them to take extreme care (or just leave) the discussion they started at WT:UP. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 05:49, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
    • This is a repeat violation by Jaakobou. See his comment at AN in March 2012: "..Proper disclosure: in what I consider to be an unethical decision, a few admins recently decided that raising this as an issue on WP:AE is disruptive enough to be topic-ban worthy..." That's yet another complaint about Tiamut, for those who have been trying to follow along. The idea that 'Jaakobou didn't realize it was a violation' is no longer credible. It seems like he thinks the March 2012 decision against him at AE was just a quirk, due to particular admins who showed up to rule on his case, so he keeps shopping his complaint around, hoping for a different answer. Anyone looking for the 2012 sanction log will find it on this page. The full AE decision was at this link, which has more details about the Jaakobou-Tiamut dispute. (Nine admins participated in the AE thread). If you review Jaakobou's comments in that complaint, you may get an idea of why the decision went against him. If he still wants to appeal his ban he can do so, but his recent conduct isn't reassuring. EdJohnston (talk) 19:26, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
      Since Jaakobou has already mentioned words from the I-P conflict in his statement of the RfC at WT:User pages#Rephrase suggestion to WP:UP#POLEMIC ("mukawama", "jihad") I don't see how he can continue the discussion there. Anything he says will be a contravention of his ARBPIA ban. Jaakobou's most recent addition to that thread is on 20 November. As User:Johnuniq stated in that thread, " It's pretty obvious that Jaakobou is proposing a change to WP:UP#POLEMIC in order to poke certain opponents in the P-I area.." If Jaakobou continues to participate in that thread, I recommend he be blocked as an enforcement action. EdJohnston (talk) 16:21, 20 November 2015 (UTC)
    • See the above post by User:Timotheus Canens: "I'm not inclined to lift the topic ban or to grant an exception." User:Jaakobou has now been made aware that his edits at WT:UP#Polemic are a violation of his ban and are risking a block. That's enough advice for now, and I suggest that this thread can be closed. EdJohnston (talk) 15:22, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

    S Marshall

    QuackGuru is banned from articles in the Electronic Cigarettes topic area broadly contrued for six month. Spartaz 07:53, 29 November 2015 (UTC)
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    Request concerning S Marshall

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    QuackGuru (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 02:30, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    S Marshall (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Discretionary Sanctions are explicitly extended for the Electronic Cigarettes topic area. Specifically, single purpose accounts may be topic banned or blocked (indefinite or otherwise), if in the view of an uninvolved administrator, they are being disruptive in the topic area.Uninvolved administrators are encouraged to monitor the articles covered by discretionary sanctions in this case to ensure compliance. To assist in this, administrators are reminded that accounts with a clear shared agenda may be blocked if they violate the sockpuppetry policy or other applicable policy; accounts whose primary purpose is disruption or making personal attacks may be blocked indefinitely; discretionary sanctions permit full and semi-page protections, including use of pending changes where warranted, and – once an editor has become aware of sanctions for the topic – any other appropriate remedy may be issued without further warning. The Arbitration Committee thanks those administrators who have been helping to enforce the community general sanctions, and thanks, once again, in advance those who help enforce the remedies adopted in this case. See Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#E-cigs_case_closed

    See Talk:Electronic cigarette/Archive 23#Removal. On 31 March 2015 SM deleted info on tobacco harm reduction is unclear. On 20 April 2015 SM deleted info on tobacco harm reduction is unclear. On 19 November 2015 SM deleted info on tobacco harm reduction is unclear. The text about tobacco harm reduction was restored.

    See Talk:Electronic_cigarette/Archive_25#New_Images. See Talk:Electronic_cigarette#New_.22full_range.22_image_uploaded. SM deleted two images and replaced it with one image. The discussion was still ongoing. SM also deleted another image, but another editor disagreed.

    See Talk:Electronic_cigarette#Safety_claim_in_Harm_reduction.. I did state it would be better to shorten the text. There was a discussion to relocate the text. The text was misplaced and it was eventually removed from the harm reduction section. I added some information to the safety section. SM stated my edit to the safety section was a "Rv pre-emptive Quackeditry".

    SM stated in the recent AFD that "it was used as a holder for all the semi-relevant junk that disruptive people kept adding to Electronic cigarette to make it conform to their notion of "balance".". SM was making assertions about me without supporting evidence. QuackGuru (talk) 02:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint
    I cut and pasted the wrong remedy. I had a concern with the text about tobacco harm reduction was deleted three times. I could ask an uninvolved admin to review such complaints before I post them at a noticeboard such as this which would restrict myself from making complaints. In the future when someone makes an edit summary such as "Rv pre-emptive Quackeditry" or "No you don't, sunshine" or other such comments directed at me I should stop taking it too personally. QuackGuru (talk) 18:05, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

    SM is making comments about my current editing without specific diffs. SM previously made comments about me without diffs. I will not know what is your current concern without the specifics. If I disagree with a change on the talk page that does not mean I am being problematic. I am going to start a RfC to try an resolve this dispute. QuackGuru (talk) 21:09, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

    This comment did not state the text about the different volts was previously in the lede. Before I started a RfC the information about different volts was in the lede of the safety page. I explained on the talk page the lede did not mention dry puffing. I clarified the wording in the lede. The RfC on the e-cig talk page is about summarising text in the e-cig. QuackGuru (talk) 02:19, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

    There are two separate pages. AlbinoFerret is not explaining the text was in the lede of the Safety page before there was a RfC and is not giving me credit that I clarified the wording in the lede. No editor at the Safety of electronic cigarettes page stated it should be removed from the page or the lede. In fact, AlbinoFerret has recently added a lot of content about the different volts to Safety of electronic cigarettes page. QuackGuru (talk) 03:35, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

    User:Spartaz, The RfC has been productive. Things are moving faster than I expected. There are different proposals and suggestions on the talk page. I supported the 3rd and 4th proposal. See Talk:Electronic_cigarette#RfC:_reduced_volts_and_aldehydes. This is a very controversial topic and sources often disagree. The disagreement among sources is often the cause of the disputes in this topic area. I am not a former smoker or e-cig user. But I did add most of the new material to the e-cig page this year. Until the known unknowns are knowns there will remain a dispute among sources. QuackGuru (talk) 20:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

    User:EdJohnston, you wrote "Edits by Quackguru are causing concern." Can you provide diffs? QuackGuru (talk) 20:29, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

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    Statement by S Marshall

    • Hi, Arbitration Enforcement admins! Please investigate QuackGuru's complaints in full and give him latitude to raise new ones against me. I am completely out of patience with this user's ridiculous behaviour since the Arbcom case closed, so it's entirely possible that I've been rude to him.—S Marshall T/C 12:28, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
    • If close this, it'll be back. QG's behaviour hasn't changed at all since the Arbcom case. In that case, a whole spectrum of problem behaviours came out: controlling; manipulative; editing the article and talk page with insane frequency; refusing change wherever possible; where a consensus is emerging that he doesn't like, making pre-emptive changes that partially implement what other editors are saying but without affecting text he's written; reverting subtly, in nickel-and-dime changes that end up restoring his preferred text over time; issuing spurious warnings to other editors; mischaracterising or misrepresenting others' edits; I could go on and on. QG has never admitted fault, has never acknowledged that there was anything wrong with his behaviour, and has never promised to change. And he hasn't changed one bit.

      I'm fairly bitter and disappointed that after a four-month Arbcom case, QG's still pulling these stunts exactly as if nothing had happened. It's this feeling which is making me snarky.

      I'd suggest that the resolution is this:- (1) QG admits -- actually articulates -- that his controlling behaviour in this topic area is problematic; (2) He promises to desist; (3) He agrees not to make pre-emptive edits, but to allow consensus to build on the talk page, and to allow the consensus text to go into the article without trying to undermine it later; and then (4) I promise to drop it and desist from the snark.—S Marshall T/C 20:54, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

    • No, QuackGuru. Do not forum-shop by starting an RFC. You've tried to resolve this here, now finish resolving it here. If he starts an RfC then please would an AE enforcement admin close it.

      QG, you're asking me for diffs. Before I produce them, please confirm that you have read what Arbcom said to you with the appropriate care and attention but you still need me to produce diffs to show you specifically how and why your behaviour is problematic.—S Marshall T/C 21:20, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

    • Well, this is completely out of order. So far, QG has started five discussions about this revert: 1 (my talk page); 2 (unilaterally adding me to AlbinoFerret's clarification and amendment page); 3 (starting e-cigs 2 in front of Arbcom); 4 (finally starting discussion in the right place, which is here) and now 5 (RfC when this discussion didn't go his way). On past form I predict that he will become unresponsive in this venue.

      I need an AE sysop please to close the forum-shopping RFC and bring QuackGuru back here to answer what I'm saying.—S Marshall T/C 11:40, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

    • @Gamaliel: Whether they're the same disruptive behaviours is worth discussing. Arbcom specified five particular disruptive behaviours in remedy #3 which I'll paraphrase:- (1) Exhibiting a double-standard for sources; (2) and (3) are about gaming full-protection; (4) Edit warring; and (5) Opposing edits which he then makes. There were many other disruptive behaviours discussed while the case was ongoing. I do fully realise you can't treat every complaint editors have about QuackGuru as an arbitration enforcement issue, but I think that in context, Arbcom's list of problem behaviours should be understood as representative, not exhaustive.

      Awilley is the administrator who enforced AE restrictions against QuackGuru in connection with acupuncture, and he made a useful edit on the proposed decision talk page here. Awilley mentions inappropriate notifications as one of QG's problem behaviours ("For instance, the list of notifications at Misplaced Pages:General_sanctions/Electronic_cigarettes seems inappropriate to me. In my mind it should be uninvolved administrators handing out the template notifications to involved problematic users, not involved users handing out the notifications to everyone who has ever made an edit to an e-cig related topic...") and within a scant few hours of the case closing, QuackGuru placed an inappropriate notification on my talk page.

      I have previously expressed a reluctance to come up with a laundry list of QuackGuru's problem behaviours and try to get him to stop them all, not least because (as Awilley notes), QG demonstrated in the Acupuncture topic area an ability comply with the exact letter of the restrictions he was placed under, without the disruption ever abating in any way.

      This is one of the reasons why I reacted as I did to QuackGuru's challenge to supply diffs. Foreseeably, I will come up with diffs of problematic behaviour and then QG will say "But Arbcom didn't say anything about that!", so I've reacted by asking QG to confirm his understanding of the case (a challenge which he has yet to address).—S Marshall T/C 10:51, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

    • Spartaz, the first thing that really got my back up was this edit two days after the Arbcom case closed, in which QG presumed to issue me with a "warning" for "edit warring". The actual pretext for this warning was that one of my edits on 19 November bore a vague resemblance to one of my edits from 31 March. (Yes, really. Go ahead and check the diffs he gives in the edit I just linked, see for yourself. I'll wait!)

      This was the same month when I had asked Arbcom not to topic-ban him, incidentally (and I was clearly wrong to do so and I regret that decision now). He's going for control of the article via chilling effect, which when directed at me is comically off-base but I bet it works with some other editors. I would suggest that your remedy includes a provision banning QuackGuru from issuing notifications or warnings of any kind to people who have edited in the topic area.—S Marshall T/C 18:49, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

    Statement by AlbinoFerret

    QG is misapplying the findings of the arbcom case. S Marshall is as far from an SPA per his edit history. Even if we were to double the 446 edits he has made in the area of all e-cig pages and the arbocom case, his total edits of 21,071 make the SPA possibilities a rather bad joke. Of note though is this finding from the case. "QuackGuru (talk · contribs) is warned that continuing to engage in a pattern of disruption to Misplaced Pages will result in further sanctions." One of the issues from the case is forcing his desired outcome on the page, and making edits to pre-empt changes while discussion is ongoing. AlbinoFerret 12:57, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

    As a NAC with over 200 closes, I can honestly say the RFC QG started is malformed. It consists of his preferred version with no questions. AlbinoFerret 08:56, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

    After now changing the RFC for I think the 4th time QG has a non neutral RFC question/statement that predisposes his preferred version in the header. This is the kind of behaviour that got him the arbcom warning and should be addressed here. AlbinoFerret 20:11, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

    @Rhoark, I dont think S Marsall suggested collecting diff's, I think he was referring to the massive amount of diff's I had already collected for ARCA. Most of which pre-date the Arbocom case closing so I dont believe can be used for AE. Due to the constant disruption QG causes, I wonder how many chances this editor will get. He has been banned numerous times and warned by arbcom. The comments of the arbs in this section are worth reading QuackGuru Warned. AlbinoFerret 22:02, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

    QG started an RFC for the summery of Safety of Electronic cigarettes in the main article, and it appears that consensus is against him at this point. But he has already started to edit the changes to his preferred version on the Safety page. The Summery on the main article and the lede Safety page should be in sync as all other daughter pages. Editing the text now while the RFC is ongoing is pre empting the RFC. These are the type of problematic edits that arbcom has warned QG about. AlbinoFerret 03:23, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

    Here is some evidence of QG's editing from during the arbcom case, but after evidence closed, it should be applicable here.

    NPOV

    The first one is damning, it shows that QG has known for months that the claim he is pushing to have in the current RFC is the product of failed methodology. He is also pushing in the current RFC to keep out wording that shows it is the product of failed methodology. This is a NPOV problem that points to negative slant advocacy which most of the other diffs continue to prove. It also shows another problem, re-arguing things over and over till you get the results you want.

    • On August 21, 2015 Johnbod started a section about the new review from Puublic health England showing that the review found "A high level of formaldehyde was found when e-liquid was over-heated to levels unpalatable to EC users". QG then defended his addition of the formaldehyde findings, sourced to the NEJM that the Public Health England on page 77 showing the failed methodology that the NEJM study used. His response was that he had changed it to balance it but the resulting edit "While high voltage (5.0 V) e-cigarettes may generate formaldehyde agents at a greater level than smoking, reduced voltage e-cigarettes generate negligible levels of formaldehyde" makes it sound like this is normal and the harm is the ecig, not the product of failed methodology. In fact QG was warned that the source was based on flawed methodology months before , with a link to a website of a known expert who had authored reviews used in the article, but it only made QG look for it all the more and do searches for it.
      • This talk page section on the topic is a perfect example of QG arguing in circles and not really discussing the problem.
      • Even after the problems with the NEJM article on formaldehyde have been pointed out and discussed.talk. QG placed the material in a position of prominence at the start of a paragraph in the lede. then added it to the Safety article .
    • 9/14/2015 Talk page section on new sources, Johnbod points out that QG does not list positive ones.
    • 9/18/2015 I changed a claim to reflect what the source actually said as discussed in this section. QG flagged it as a MERDS violation but QG was the person to add the claim originally. A talk page discussion was opened Talk:Electronic_cigarette#MEDRS_violation where it was pointed out that the edit by QG was OR trying to insert that it was either smokers looking for "alternatives" or of smokers as a whole.
    • 10/11/2015 QG Replaces positive claim that e-cigarettes contain fewer toxic substances that tobacco cigarettes with one that says they contain lower levels of toxic substances.
    • 10/14/2015 QG replaced formaldehyde with carcinogens.
    • 10/28/2015 QG is against adding the NHS website when he has added other government websites. Moves the claim out of Harm reduction to bury it in the Position statements. this is also a possible competency issue. Cloudjpk shows up out of the blue and reverts what QG wants gone. then QG does a ref maintenance afterwards to stop easy undo.
    Ownership
    • 9/21/2015 There was a discussion on creating a Regulation page with consensus to wait for the regulation from the FDA to be released. 9/23/2015 QG starts another discussion about breaking out Regulation from the Legal status page. Other editors suggest someone else, johnbod, write the article and that QG collect the sources. QG says he didnt have time to gather sources. Then QG without any other discussion or warning creates the page.
        • Afterwards QG had the page speedy deleted rather than allowing other editors to fix the page.
          • (Deletion log); 01:03 . . RHaworth (talk | contribs) deleted page Talk:Regulations of electronic cigarettes ‎(G8: Talk page of a deleted page)
          • (Deletion log); 01:03 . . RHaworth (talk | contribs) deleted page Regulations of electronic cigarettes ‎(G7: One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page)
    • 9/25/2015 The lede of the Construction of electronic cigarettes page was 4 paragraphs long. QG originally wrote the lede. I started a talk page section pn the articles talk page. QG argued against WP:LEADLENGTH and misrepresented the guideline and the articles size. calling it "well written". The lede at the time was a collection of claims jumbled together and did not read well.
    • 11/3/2015 I brought a new source to the talk page to be discussed and figure out what can be added. QG prempted the discussion by editing it in.
    Compentcy
    • 9/14/2015 QG wants to use a blog as a source.
    • 9/14/2015 E-cigarettes are a battery and an atomizer anyone who has been involved for a day in the topic should know this does not need a reference.
    • 9/21/2015 Requires a citation that an electronic device has a switch to activate it.
    • 10/10/2015 Shows misunderstanding of WP:VER in that QG believes it says everything "must" be sourced.
    • 11/2/2015 QG replaces 2015 review with a 2014 book to get the claim he wants. There is a mistake in the date, but this issue shows its a 2014 source.
    • 11/10/2015 QG places a FV tag. then two minutes later removes the claim and substitutes source. There was no discussion, or description of what was wrong with the summery.

    The 10/28/2015 NPOV instance eerily mimics the events that led QG to be topic banned from Acupuncture. AlbinoFerret 21:04, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

    Spartaz would you also consider a clause against editing on topics under discussion to any e-cig page until the discussion has ended? The pages are very intertwined and making an edit on one effects the others. AlbinoFerret 14:42, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

    I would also like to point out that since being banned from Acupuncture in October , QuackGuru has become a SPA on e-cigarette topics with at least 90% of QG's edits in the topic or closely related topics like nicotine,contribs. As such he is also in violation of the SPA clause of the arbcom decision. AlbinoFerret 20:58, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

    Statement by Rhoark

    1. S Marshall recommended to AlbinoFerret that the latter collect diffs of evidence that QuackGuru tends to take pre-emptive action against proposals under discussion.
    2. QuackGuru takes pre-emptive action against this suggestion by filing a complaint against S Marshall for not having gathered the evidence himself.

    Admins should have zero patience for such antics. QuackGuru's block log suggests they will continue to be incorrigible. A one year topic ban would be a restrained response. Rhoark (talk) 21:39, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

    @AlbinoFerret: SM seemed to be specifically addressing incidents after the e-cig case closed, so I assume he meant something other than the diffs already collected. Not a key point.

    @Cla68: I have no involvement in this beyond the present filing.

    I'm not seeing prima facie disruption in the positions QuackGuru is taking on content issues, nor do I see it as a problem that QG started the RfC in parallel with this AE filing. The RfC is about content, while this should be about behavior. This filing itself, along with QC's block history is all I need to see to recognize disruption, but in any further evidence what would be important is patterns of disregarding or pre-empting consensus more than the fact they said this or that about e-cigs. Rhoark (talk) 22:40, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

    Statement by Cla68

    I respectfully suggest to S Marshall, AlbinoFerret, and Rhoark that you take the topic in question off your watchlists and let QuackGuru have it to himself. Putting up with the nonsense that you're having to put up with is not worth the time it drains from your lives that you could be doing more fruitful and productive work elsewhere. Notice that the admins responding below aren't going to do anything to try to rein-in QuackGuru's behavior. So, just let him have the article(s). Just pop in to the article talk page and leave a comment or try to improve the text every few days or so and then don't pay attention to the inevitable revert or snarky response that immediately follows. This will have the effect of chaining QuackGuru to the article as he checks his watchlist every few minutes or so to make sure the article stays the way he wants it while the rest of you get on with your lives. Cla68 (talk) 05:45, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

    Statement by Mystery Wolff

    I would like to ask for help on this as it is ongoing. QuackGuru is going about reverting items for his point of view. I have spent a great deal of time researching some of these topics, and begun edits to make the pages much more accurate. Only to see those edits removed in mass by QuackGuru. When he edits he does it with very very little information in the Edit Summary.

    Most recently an article which had a rewritten conclusion from the source study...I went to the cite, and confirmed that information was not accurate to the conclusion of the researchers. I too the authors conclusions and word-smithed slightly to be used in the page. ONLY to have QuackGuru revert to his text, and claim in the TALK page that I was somehow putting in a copyright violation. I quoted the authors conclusion, of public study, and cited and credited the authors. That is not a copyright violation, I am sorry, it just is not. A journalist doing the same is also not violating a copyright.

    On another matter QuackGuru, took a study which indicated that Electronic Cigarettes in a standardized trial were shown to be AS effective as Nicotine Patches and other Nicotine replacement products. The cite actually shows they are more effective but the author was not comfortable with the as a full out statement, but that was his data. The that was in the Page said "Electronic Cigarettes have not been shown to be MORE effective than NRT patches. That is skewing and conflation. Repeated data within peer reviewed journals reflects the E-Cigs are AS effective. To assert they fail a bar, when that bar is not the part of the cite, is a problem. Some of the approved therapies are using powerful psychotropic medications that effect brain chemistry, that are black box warnings for suicide. So when something without risks of effecting dopamine, serotonin, and norepinephrine and their balance together in the brain, has efficacy on par with black box medications....its something to reflect. I have no issue with using the most current research, I have no issue with feedback on undue weight.....but I am very concerned by an aggressive OWNER of multiple pages like QuackGuru.

    HELP! Mystery Wolff (talk) 07:09, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning S Marshall

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • QuackGuru if you are going to relitigate the arb case again then I will simply close this as no action. Please remove all the historical stuff (the case closing is a bright line that deals with previous events entirely) . Also take out all the assertion and reformat this with exactly what the restriction is, why it was broken and diffs to both. You shouldn't need more than 3-4 lines max and that means that you don't need to rehash all your bad blood and history with this user, which is not only wearisome to read but suggests you are still carrying a grudge. Thanks. Spartaz 07:29, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
      • It seems a bit pot and kettle for you to accuse SM of casting aspersions when you have been chasing a single edit of his while relitigating the case around AlbinoFerret's ARCA request, your own withdrawn RFAR and now AE - all the while the article talk page seems to be hosting an notably constructive discussion of the change that SM wants. As far as I can see, while the article is subject to discretionary sanctions, no restrictions have yet been made to normal editing (i. WP:BRD has not been disallowed on the article. Further, SM is not an SPA, nor was he made the subject of any personal sanctions nor was his conduct admonished by the committee. The same decision, however, admonished you for behaving disruptively and warned you that continuing this pattern could lead to further sanctions. Despite that, as soon as the case is over, you seem to be right back to the same disruptive behaviour. This seems very problematic to me. I do not think that we can possibly consider imposing any form of sanction for an editor who makes single edits and then proceeds to engage in civil and productive discussion on the article talk page to help establish a consensus on what the outcome should be. In fact, this kind of behaviour in a contested area is something that should be applauded. Indeed, it is your disruptive behaviour that is obstructing useful discussion. So let me be very clear QuackGuru, I am seriously considering whether you should be topic banned or forbidden from raising spurious noticeboard complaints in order to allow the other editors in this area to continue working towards a consensus on this article. Alternatively, you might wish to reconsider whether it might be more productive for you to stop personalising disputes with other editors and restrict yourself to discussing edits and content rather than pursuing the editors making the comments. I'd be very interested in any comments or thoughts you might have on this and, of course, those of other uninvolved admins. Spartaz 14:12, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
        • QuackGuru That sounds like amn eminently sensible solution to me. S Marshall Cann you cut out the snarky edit summaries please? Waiting for further input before closing. Spartaz 19:53, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
          • It would be good for another admin to pitch in.... Spartaz 21:13, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
            • Tumbleweed.... I'll delay closing this until I have time to review the issues raised following my exchange with QuackGuru. Spartaz 14:12, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
              • I apologise for the long delay in picking this up but its not the kind of thing you can look at in 5 minute chunks between RL commitments. I have had a look at the article talk page and article history. To be honest I'm not seeing a significant amount of disruption on the actual article - 1 revert by SM and partial changes but not something that reaches an actionable threshold on its own. However, is QG continues to misrepresent sources than that is a problem and I'd like to see a diff of that to consider further. That then leaves the forum shopping and disruption to talk page discussion. Both complaints appear well founded but given the recentness of the case and an arbitration decision not to ban QG from the article despite the finding of disruption, I'd be loath to down that route immediately without trying something intermediate first. This therefore suggests that we look at the following close. "QuakGuru is prohibited from raising complaints about editors they are in dispute with without first confirming with an uninvolved admin that their complaint is actionable. Further to this, QuackGuru may not raise a complaint about another editor in more than one forum for the edits/actions complained about. QuackGuru is also prohibited from disrupting or derailing talk page discussions for items that are already under active discussion. This means specifically that they cannot open a new section while another section is active, raise any RFCs on matters already being discussed unless there is an agreed consensus that one is required or make any edits to the article about material being discussed on the talk page unless there is a stated (i.e. written) consensus that they are applying". The latter restrictions are to prevent QG trying to control the focus of discussion on the article. My intent is that QG can edit elements that are not contentious and contribute within existing discussions about contentious elements on the talk page but cannot move or alter the discussion to their own agenda. If this does not work and QG continues to disrupt than I do think the next step is a topic ban. Leaving this here for a minimum of 24 hours for further discussion and comment. Spartaz 14:16, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
        • If Quackguru is engaging in the same disruptive behavior less than a week after the closure of an ArbCom case where this behavior was noted in the findings, then a topic ban is the appropriate remedy. Gamaliel (talk) 06:43, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
          • Edits by Quackguru are causing concern. I'll accept User:Spartaz' conclusion that there is enough bad behavior here to justify admin action. If so I recommend against issuing sanctions which are too complex. There is a risk of thousands of words of future discussion as to whether the exact letter of the complex sanction was infringed. If you want to do something short of an indef topic ban, consider banning Quackguru from the topic for six months. Spartaz has taken note of a well-founded complaint of "forum shopping and disruption to talk page discussion". A short ban would qualify as 'intermediate' per Spartaz's suggestion. EdJohnston (talk) 19:22, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
            • I agree with Ed. Spartaz's idea is a well-intentioned attempt to get to the root of the problem, but I fear it will prompt more wikilawyering and AE filings. A topic ban, with an opportunity to appeal before the end of the ban should Quackguru attempt to articulate how they would approach the conflict differently, will allow an opportunity for this editor to reassess their behavior. Gamaliel (talk) 20:21, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

    HughD

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    Request concerning HughD

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Champaign Supernova (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 17:41, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    HughD (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions/Log#Tea_Party_movement:
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. Date November 30 Makes minor edit to Watchdog.org, a project of the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity, a family of pages which HughD was blocked for one week for editing in October
    2. November 30 Makes substantial reversion of disputed content on Watchdog.org
    3. November 30 Makes another substantial reversion of disputed content on Watchdog.org
    4. November 30 Makes substantial edits to the Clarion Project, including section where funding by Donors Capital Fund is discussed. HughD has been told repeatedly to avoid editing content with connection to Donors Capital Fund, as the Fund has received money from the Koch brothers and he is banned from editing content related to them.
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. August 28 HughD topic-banned from "any articles involving the Tea Party movement broadly, including but not limited to anything at all related to Americans for Prosperity, Koch Industries, the Koch brothers, for one year."
    2. October 11 After AE request, HughD warned that "further violations of the TBAN will likely result in a block (even if just minor)."
    3. October 29 HughD blocked for one week "following editing on Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity." An appeal of this block was declined at AE .
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    • Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above.
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    HughD has repeatedly shown that he is not capable of editing within the confines of his discretionary editing ban related to the Kochs/Tea Party. His repeated failure to comply with the sanctions against him suggests that he should be banned from editing all of post-1942 U.S. politics. Champaign Supernova (talk) 17:41, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Discussion concerning HughD

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    Statement by HughD

    No violation of topic ban. Sad, pointed, harassing retread of previous failed request for enforcement. Hugh (talk) 18:23, 30 November 2015 (UTC) A content dispute improperly escalated to AE; respectfully request involved editors to return to the article talk page in good faith. No disruptive edits reported. No boundary testing; our project's articles Watchdog.org and Clarion Project are clearly out of scope. Respectfully request decline again. Thank you. Hugh (talk) 19:25, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

    In evaluating this complaint readers are respectfully requested to note that the Columbia Journalism Review article cited by commenting involved editor Safehaven86 below is not currently included in our project's article on Watchdog.org, nor is it involved in any of the edits cited above by complainant. Please also note the commenting involved editor Safehaven86 on 10 July 2013 deleted an attempt by a fellow editor to add a connection to the Kochs to our project's article Watchdog.org within minutes with an edit summary of WP:SYNTH, then today comes before our project's arbiters claiming a connection sufficient for enforcement. Hugh (talk) 21:43, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

    Statement by Safehaven86

    Hugh has been given more than enough chances to show that he can meaningfully comply with his topic ban. See User talk:HughD#Editing ban, User talk:HughD#One week block for violation of topic ban, User talk:HughD#Arbitration enforcement action appeal by HughD, User talk:HughD#Draft WP:TBAN addition, and numerous discussions at User talk:Ricky81682. The ins and outs of the ban have been discussed at length, and it has been made clear to Hugh that he should not touch articles broadly defined in the Tea Party/Koch Bros realm. Whether the topic ban is too confusing because it is a unique and individualized ban or whether Hugh is willfully disregarding it doesn't really matter at this point--he's been given enough warnings and explanations. I agree that a broader ban is in order. Safehaven86 (talk) 18:06, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

    He was banned for one week for editing Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity because of that group's Koch connection. Watchdog.org is the main project of the Franklin Center. If the Franklin Center was found to be in scope of the ban, it only seems logical that Watchdog.org would be, too. Safehaven86 (talk) 18:52, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
    Drmies, that makes sense. I think the issue at hand here is that while it doesn't currently appear that any Koch-related material is in the Watchdog.org article, there does seem to be a connection. See this Columbia Journalism Review article, which says "But there is a key clue to the Koch brothers’ vision of the media— the Kochs’ leading media investment to date, an ambitious right-leaning investigative outlet called the Franklin Center and its watchdog.org network..." So I guess the question is, does an article need to explicitly state a connection to Tea Party/Koch to be in violation of the topic ban, or does there just need to be a connection that a reasonable person could ascertain through basic research, whether or not such a connection is stated on the page? I don't know the answer to that. Safehaven86 (talk) 20:32, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

    Statement by Sir Joseph

    Looking at some of the diffs, it looks like a "simple" content dispute not a edit war. And the claim of tea party or Koch brothers topic ban seems too far, after all anything can then be claimed to be relevant to the topic by guilty by association. It seems to be that this is just a content dispute and other means should be used to resole before ARBCOM decides to banhammer someone. Sir Joseph 18:49, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

    Result concerning HughD

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • I'm not a fan of HughD's boundary pushing, but the edits in question have absolutely nothing to do with the Tea Party or the Koch Brothers as far as I can see. There are a limit to topic bans. For example, editors topic banned in the American Politics case are allowed to edit articles regarding climate change, despite the fact that climate change is a hot button issue in American politics. Perhaps HughD should be topic banned from American Politics (and there is certainly merit to this viewpoint as he demonstrates a clear battleground mentality), but a more limited Tea Party/Koch Brothers topic ban should not be treated as a de facto American Politics topic ban. Gamaliel (talk) 18:40, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
    • I assume that Safehaven86 is referring to User_talk:HughD#One_week_block_for_violation_of_topic_ban when they say that "He was banned for one week for editing Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity because of that group's Koch connection." What I see there is Ricky81682 blocking for making very specific edits that involve the Kochs ("You added content that specifically refers to the Koch brothers"). Edits to Watchdog.org (this, this, and this) do not seem to involve the Kochs at all. What I see is some slippage here, by Safehaven and by the complainant, Champaign Supernova, from "making a Koch edit in an article" to "making an edit in a Koch article"--that is, and I'm citing the complaint here, "following editing on Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity", the accusation was incomplete, and should have said "following Koch-related editing etc." Likewise, I don't see anything that violates the topic ban in this edit: HughD wasn't banned from editing that article either. Drmies (talk) 19:47, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
      • Safehaven86, you have a point, and one or two of the fools suckers reverend editors running for ArbCom have pointed in that direction also--the direction being "broadly construed". One could construe this topic ban broadly but since the connection with Koch is really, really tenuous in those edits, "broadly construed" practically extends to, as Gamaliel points out, "a de facto American Politics topic ban" (good thing Gamaliel isn't running for ArbCom--he has too much common sense) and that's stretching the original topic ban too far. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:00, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

    Aggressive rhetoric

    Hi all, I would like to report aggressive rhetoric and sometimes even disruptive behavior by Tiptoethrutheminefield. A warning might be needed. -Dominator1453 (talk) 10:39, 2 December 2015 (UTC)