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Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive367#Close challenge for Talk:1948 Arab–Israeli War#RFC for Jewish exodus

(Initiated 27 days ago on 13 December 2024) challenge of close at AN was archived nableezy - 05:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Sander.v.Ginkel unblock request

(Initiated 25 days ago on 15 December 2024) voorts (talk/contributions) 00:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/In the news criteria amendments

(Initiated 94 days ago on 7 October 2024) Tough one, died down, will expire tomorrow. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:58, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 459#RFC_Jerusalem_Post

(Initiated 73 days ago on 28 October 2024) Participation/discussion has mostly stopped & is unlikely to pick back up again. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

 Note: This is a contentious topic and subject to general sanctions. - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 21:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Archived. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  22:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Genocide#RfC: History section, adding native American and Australian genocides as examples

(Initiated 64 days ago on 6 November 2024) RfC expired on 6 December 2024 . No new comments in over a week. Bogazicili (talk) 15:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Team Seas#Re: the ocean pollution additions

(Initiated 55 days ago on 15 November 2024) Clear consensus that the proposed edit (and its amended version) violate WP:SYNTH. However, the owning editor is engaging in sealioning behavior, repeatedly arguing against the consensus and dismissing others' rationale as not fitting his personal definition of synthesis; and is persistently assuming bad-faith, including opening an ANI accusing another editor of WP:STONEWALLING. When finally challenged to give a direct quote from the source that supports the proposed edit, it was dismissed with "I provided the source, read it yourself" and then further accused that editor with bad-faith. The discussion is being driven into a ground by an editor who does not (nor wish to) understand consensus and can't be satisfied with any opposing argument supported by Misplaced Pages policy or guidelines. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 22:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Israel#RfC

(Initiated 48 days ago on 22 November 2024) Legobot has removed the RFC notice. Can we please get an interdependent close. TarnishedPath 23:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

 Note: Ongoing discussion, please wait a week or two. Bogazicili (talk) 14:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RFC_Science-Based_Medicine

(Initiated 33 days ago on 7 December 2024) slowed for a while Bluethricecreamman (talk) 06:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 20#Category:Belarusian saints

(Initiated 20 days ago on 20 December 2024) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Arab migrations to the Levant#Merger Proposal

(Initiated 106 days ago on 25 September 2024) Open for a while, requesting uninvolved closure. Andre🚐 22:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Donald Trump#Proposal: Age and health concerns regarding Trump

(Initiated 85 days ago on 16 October 2024) Experienced closer requested. ―Mandruss ☎ 13:57, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

 Closed by editor S Marshall. P.I. Ellsworth , ed.  20:43, 8 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Winter fuel payment abolition backlash#Merge proposal

(Initiated 72 days ago on 29 October 2024) There are voices on both sides (ie it is not uncontroversial) so a non-involved editor is needed to evaluate consensus and close this. Thanks. PamD 09:55, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Israel–Hamas war#Survey

(Initiated 63 days ago on 7 November 2024) Looking for uninvolved close in CTOP please, only a few !votes in past month. I realise this doesn't require closing, but it is preferred in such case due to controversial nature of topic. CNC (talk) 10:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

•  Note: I'm happy to perform the merge if required, as have summarised other sections of this article already with consensus. I realise it's usually expected to perform splits or merges when closing discussions, but in this case it wouldn't be needed. CNC (talk) 20:28, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Shiv Sena#Merge proposal

(Initiated 43 days ago on 27 November 2024) Discussion seems to have stopped. As the proposal is not uncontroversial, and I, as the initiator, am involved, I am requesting an uninvolved editor to close the discussion. Arnav Bhate (talk • contribs) 11:02, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

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Slow motion Edit war and deleting the Citation needed request .

User Zirguezi , in answer of my demand for sources , insists on getting back sources that are neither Reliable , nor related to the matter 1 2. Talk page discussion failure and personal attacks ( on section Flag of Iraqi Kurdistan is not the flag of all Kurdish groups) . Can an admin please help ? --Alborz Fallah (talk) 17:54, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

I too would like an opinion of this situation. User:Alborz Fallah requested a source, which I provided. In my opinion they are reliable, relevant and related to the matter. They prove exactly the point I was making. Alborz Fallah makes a claim that goes against what the sources I have provided say. I'm willing to accept that I might be wrong but just as he has a right to ask for sources so do I ask him for sources that dispute the claim. If it turns out there is enough discussion about this in literature we should probably add both sides to the article. N.B.: the personal attack is indeed disruptive and did not come from me. ~ Zirguezi 19:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

BTW shouldn't this request be filed at WP:DRN or any of the other boards at WP:SEEKHELP? ~ Zirguezi 19:21, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

@Zirguezi : Edit Waring and deleting the request for citation ( more than one times) seems to be an administrative task rather than a problem that can be solved by discussion : do am i intended to prove the Wikipedian laws are right and useful to anyone that may be not familiar with them ? Reinventing wheel and fire will consume all of our time and power ! --Alborz Fallah (talk) 10:08, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Range block needed

See the recent history of my talk page, and Floquenbeam's. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:09, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

The page protection should work. The ranges are too disparate for blocking.
 — Berean Hunter (talk) 02:19, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

The IP has engaged in the same vandalism on a number of other user talk pages, including mine and many others. Minor4th 02:21, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

I've done a small rangeblock to cover most of the addresses used. Between that and liberal short-term protections, that should make it tiresome and un-fun . An edit filter would be a fine idea, and should be easy to implement. Acroterion (talk) 02:23, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

The edits seemed to be automated, considering they were all made in a timespan of a few seconds. In other words, this probably needs to be brought to WMF asap. <<< SOME GADGET GEEK >>> (talk) 03:05, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

I'd suspect copy-and-paste with multiple tabs/windows open rather than actual automation. ansh666 03:39, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

And another

Rangeblockers, please have a look at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Bias_from_rape_supporters, for the 166 IP who keeps harassing Ricky81682. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 05:43, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Ban time?

(The time may not be ripe, but it's probably as good as it is going to get) I've been having a look through active threads as well as archives of ANI and AN concerning the 166.x.x.x addresses. As far as I have been able to determine, there are 3 banned users who have been known to use these IPs, User:Ararat arev (a persistent Egyptian POV pusher), User:David Beals (the ceiling fan vandal) and User:Kochtruth (a Koch "truther"), as well as someone who frequented, and was subsequently topic banned from, the World's oldest people articles and associated AFDs. The latter has also developed a particular vendetta against Ricky81682, as Drmies notes, mainly because of his activity in raising AFD's on WOP articles. Given the persistent disruption from this IP range, I formally propose that the user(s) behind these IP edits be indefinitely site banned from Misplaced Pages. I feel that this is appropriate as 3 of the users known to use this range are site banned already and the IP only editor only posts to harass Ricky81682 or troll other threads. There is already a precedent for community banning an IP editor, see the "Best known for" IP editor. Blackmane (talk) 03:38, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Unnecessary. Ban discussions are only prudent for situations where a user's ban may be contentious. For known trolls whose behavior has made it clear that they aren't here to contribute, and are only trolling use for the lulz, they effectively ban themselves, and we don't need "permission" to continue blocking them and cleaning up their messes. The language at WP:BAN has remained roughly unchanged for a decade: " In the event an indefinitely blocked editor has continued to be disruptive and no administrator is willing to unblock, they are considered de facto banned." --Jayron32 13:02, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

This is certainly true for edits that are obviously from Ararat arev, David Beals or Kochtruth. However, the 4th editor only edits via IP's that happens to be on the same range. As far as I know, there are no ties between this IP editor to any of the other three. Furthermore, the IP editor is only subject to a topic ban from World's oldest people articles. They took that topic ban badly and went over the deep end into trolling and harassment. As it stands now, the IP editor is no de facto banned. This is the point that is being addressed. Blackmane (talk) 02:49, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

My observation has been that this winds up in a Catch 22. If somebody proposes a de jure ban, we get the "they're already de facto banned, don't waste our time" sort of arguments. But if it's assumed that they're de facto banned, and act accordingly, there are inevitably protests where "show us where we/they are banned" is raised. It may be a bit of bureaucracy but it crosses the t's and dots the i's to where even Ultra Magnus is satisfied. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:19, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

• Support since we don't have an indefinitely blocked account to fall back on for G5 and reverting edits a siteban would make it easier to block (rather for block evasion while hoping that there is a currently blocked IP) and revert. That is, ban evasion rather than block evasion (while hoping that there actually is a currently blocked IP). Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:35, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

I'd been putting a more formal proposal together, but it's rather lengthy so I'll just link it here. There is a fairly long list of IP's that I've dug out of the archives plus some comments. Blackmane (talk) 13:48, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

• Support - I take Jayron32's point, but the fact remains that there are editors here who will object to automatic deletion of the 166 troll's "contributions" because they are only de facto banned and not actually banned. It pretty much nappens regularly, leading to a discussion about how de facto banning really is banning, etc. That would be unnecessary if the community would simply formalize a ban. BMK (talk) 21:13, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support Normally I would agree with Jayron32 and I'm sorry about the bureaucracy, but there are too many hatted sections at ANI for the 166 troll. It would be far better if the sections were removed with edit summary "WP:DENY". Leaving the trophy on ANI, or arguing with others about whether it is reasonable to remove a section, just encourages more and is irritating for those of us looking over the page. Johnuniq (talk) 00:48, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
• Not even a single ping here? Seriously? I think I deserve that. I'll support it since it's basically WP:RBI with this (or these) characters. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:04, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support, for the reasons explained by BMK. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 01:19, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
  • And I think it's time for this to be closed? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:18, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

RfA Policy RfC Closed

This RfC has been closed and the following changes will go into effect, effective immediately:

1. RfAs will now be advertised on watch list notices.
   • There will be a waiting period of 12-24 hours. Admin discretion may be exercised, before the 24 hour waiting period.
   • The usernames or the details of the RfA are not to be revealed. A short and simple one liner such as, "There are RfAs open for discussion."
2. RfAs will now be advertised on Template:CENT.
   • Some desire to use {{:User:Cyberpower678/RfX Report}} on the template has been expressed, though it is not a requirement. Cyberpower678 is willing to make changes to the template as needed, if desired.
   • The advertisement on CENT does not carry the same restrictions that watch list notices have.
3. There is now a limit on the number of questions a specific user can ask a candidate.
   • The limit is 2 questions.
   • Appropriate relevant follow-up questions are allowed.
   • Obvious gaming should be dealt with accordingly.
4. The discretionary range is now 65-75%.

If there is a problem with my close, please let me know.—_{Merry Christmas:Unknown} 08:26, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

FYI, RFC is reopened for about another 2 weeks. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:01, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Promotional Edits by new SPA

Could an Admin please have a look at the contributions of this user which appears to be a single purpose account engaged in undue promotion of a self-published work. Thanks. SPECIFICO talk 15:18, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

The core of this one seems to be Quantum money (Monetary system), which might qualify for speedy since it's not even a monetary system, just a proposal with no obvious notability. The editor has gone about adding this as a see also to several barely related articles. UltraExactZZ ~ Did 15:34, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

I've tagged the article for lack of references and for notability. Feel free to CSD away, if someone concurs that there's no notability here. UltraExactZZ ~ Did 15:40, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

The author added references. I removed the reference tag but will be AFD'ing the article. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:19, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Frustrating lack of policy support

I reported a case at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Motoe123 reported by User:Betty Logan (Result: ) which involved an inexperienced editor repeatedly replacing the data at Century break#Players with 100 century breaks with data from a fan blog, specifically the one at .

As I understand it, per WP:SPS personal blogs/fansites are not considered reliable sources. Despite offering an explanation in the edit summaries, on the article talk page and an editing note also included in the main article the editor in question has repeatedly restored this fan sourced content. Furthermore, the site being used for this data sources the data from another Fansite which has been categorically ruled not reliable at Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 157#Snooker.info. I requested admin support at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Motoe123 reported by User:Betty Logan (Result: ), but the report has been simply ignored. Even the reports filed after mine have been dealt with.

Now, this is not a complicated case. It is my understanding that fansites are not acceptable for sourcing anything from Misplaced Pages, so am I being unreasonable to expert some admin support in enforcing this policy? I am finding the lack of response a frustrating experience. I could just restore the data yet again but that would put me on a collision course with 3RR, which seems to be the only policy that is effectively enforced these days. If the thinking on Misplaced Pages now is that RS is a policy that is not really aimed at articles containing sport statistics then I would appreciate it if somebody just closed my case on those grounds so I know here I stand. If that is the case however, I don't really see what distinguishes Misplaced Pages from other personal fansites that informally maintain stats.

It would be helpful if somebody could advise on what course of action I should follow in such situations. Betty Logan (talk) 16:22, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Sure, slow down, let the WP:WRONGVERSION be visible for the time being, and ask for other people to weigh in discussion. WP:RSN is as good a place as any, as is the article talk page. After others have been alerted to the issue, and have established consensus that the source is a bad one, you have the weight of consensus on your side. --Jayron32 16:35, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, this was more or less what I was going to say as well. It doesn't seem to be that high-profile of a page for the moment, and there seems to be a backlog of unanswered EW claims to be answered as well. As a side note though, I don't think things generally go over very well when you report someone for edit warring and you were the one who reverted them every single time, and neither party broke 3RR. That may not be helping your response time either... Sergecross73 msg me 16:42, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Sourcing is a recurring problem on the snooker articles that has been raised several times before, even by admins such as by SilkTork (see Misplaced Pages:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 96#Snooker sites – WWW Snooker / snooker.org and Chris Turner’s Snooker Archive). The problem that the snooker editors face is that it simply doesn't have the manpower to respond to policy violations: due to the low levels of participation then it is unlikely anybody else will "weigh in" on this issue for weeks, if not months, until someone else eventually comes along and cares enough to correct it and then runs into exactly the same problem that I have done. Despite being a red-link I am a fairly experienced editor and mainly edit snooker and film articles, and the film articles I participate on generally move in a positive direction because there is a big enough support network in the Film project to deal with any problems. It is a rewarding experience overall, and the main reason I give up my free time to contribute to Misplaced Pages. This is not the case on snooker articles, where I feel the articles generally stagnate or progressively get worse over time and I am finding it a dispiriting experience contributing to this set of articles. Having experience of a highly mobilised project with highly trafficked articles, and a low-participation one with low hits it is pretty obvious to me that solutions which work very well for one type of article don't work great for the other. I doubt the snooker project is the only low-participation project to face these issues. Maybe if each project was allocated a "resident" admin that could help alleviate the "wild west" mentality that has manifested in some areas of Misplaced Pages? I think ultimately a different approach is going to have to be adopted down the line to combat this. Anyway, thanks for your time. Betty Logan (talk) 18:33, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Eyes on Talk:Glyphosate

With Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Genetically modified organisms just closed, Glyphosate is one of the pages where discretionary sanctions and 1RR have been imposed. It's been getting rather heated there, and it would be good to have eyes on it from some uninvolved administrators. One additional aspect is that there are discussions on the talk page, including some RfCs, where there has been extensive commenting by some editors who have now been topic banned, so perhaps some curation of that is needed. No emergencies, no need for blocks, but just some need for some uninvolved folks to keep order. Thanks. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:42, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

I wonder which topic will be left without discretionary sanctions / 1RR at this pace. LjL (talk) 21:13, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Wanna start an office pool? --Tryptofish (talk) 21:24, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Nah let's calculate the Poisson de Trypto distribution of probability a topic will be DS'd. LjL (talk) 21:27, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

@EEng: I think you've made me into a meme! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:35, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

The possibilities are endless. Next you can be a poison poisson. EEng (talk) 21:48, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

We will know the apocalypse is upon us when Misplaced Pages goes under DS. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:43, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Poisson de Trypto distribution - that is fabulous! Guy (Help!) 08:59, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Becoming more serious

Seriously now, I would appreciate it if an uninvolved administrator would take a look at Talk:Glyphosate#Editors flagged as topic banned: Why?. Please evaluate this edit that I made: . If you think that this edit was a mistake, then please revert it (no need to ask me first). --Tryptofish (talk) 02:59, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

This POINTy edit is worth considering too, IMO. EdChem (talk) 12:37, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

With thanks to EdChem, that behavior by Semitransgenic (whom I am about to formally notify) is continuing with this: , and in the context of DS, this is starting to rise to being something where administrator intervention may be needed. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:25, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

posthumous execution?!--TMCk (talk) 18:41, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

?? --Tryptofish (talk) 19:38, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

I decided to self-revert the edit that I asked about above, but I would still advise that uninvolved administrators should be looking in and evaluating whether editor conduct there is consistent with DS. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:08, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

A question on RevDel

Over at Misplaced Pages:Media copyright questions, an IP user added a question and then signed it with their (apparent) real name; their next immediate edit was to remove the name. I would consider this accidental exposure of one's identity, and so I have for the moment revdel'd the addition to be cautious. (These are presently the two diffs before my diff here .) Checking the WP:REVDEL page, this suggests that I should report this to the Oversight committee to have the edits completely washed out, but at the same time the language of REVDEL make it sound like this should be done where the outing is malicious, etc. while here I'm not sure if this is meant to be the case. Should I still submit this to Oversight to review? --MASEM (t) 19:17, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, just submit it to the OS mailing list, and they can make the call if it's a borderline case. That's why they get the big money. If there's specific language in WP:REVDEL that implies this should only be done if it's malicious (I don't see it offhand, but it's a lot of text), we should probably change that, but that might be more productively done at WT:REVDEL. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:39, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Sent, and I'll see if a discussion at WT:REVDEL might be needed. --MASEM (t) 20:01, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Criteria 4 already covers this. If it is oversightable, it acceptable to revision delete it pending oversight. The only real question is whether revision deletion will draw attention to the very thing we are trying to hide before oversight gets to it, and thus be counter productive when the goal is to protect someone's privacy. But that is purely a judgement call, and imo, its usually better to revision delete promptly. Monty₈₄₅ 15:23, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Sporting Clube de Portugal review requested

As of yesterday, I have semi-protected Sporting Clube de Portugal (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) until 1 January 2016 due to persistent disruptive editing. There are still some outstanding issues and I am requesting assistance to help bring this article back in line with WP:NPOV policy, as the article in its current state is overly promotional. Regards, Yamaguchi先生 (talk) 23:44, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Opinion polling for the Hong Kong legislative election, 2012

Articles 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 were proposed for merge in December 2014. It is now December 2015, and the article have still not been merged. I do not have the skill set to trim the coding. May I remove the disposition tags, if no action has taken place up until now? --Jax 0677 (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

I do not have time right this moment, but I will try to work on this in the next few days. An example of the table code trimming that is expected can be seen in this diff. I will do the trimming on each table, then they can be moved to the main article and redirected (Assuming no one beats me to it.) -- ferret (talk) 21:22, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

I found some time. :) All six tables have been trimmed of unnecessary formatting. I also did the table at the main article. This could be shrunk further by replacing the background style statements (For PaleGreen and Pink) with the Yes2 and No2 templates, which are a similar color. I decided not to do that because someone may view those templates are attributing a positive or negative view on the party/candidate being represented. But if no one has an objection, I can go ahead with it. Nevermind. It would shrink the article Wiki-side but those templates being sent to the client are a huge increase. Whoops. -- ferret (talk) 22:41, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Password strength policy for users with advanced permisssions

Following the Misplaced Pages:Security review RfC, new requirements are in place for administrators and other users with advanced permissions. You can view the new policy at Misplaced Pages:Password strength requirements. It';s somewhat incomplete at the moment, some fo the details involving the WMF have yet to be finalized. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:39, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Bad image list addition

Please add this image (warning: graphic nudity) and this image to the bad image list. The two photos were recently used to vandalize Talk:Donald Trump. Thank you. CatcherStorm 05:49, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

@CatcherStorm: Um an edit like this: should be reported to the Wikimedia Foundation. It may be harmless trolling but you never can tell. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 05:52, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Page has been protected, users blocked, and I emailed the emergency account. --Stabila711 (talk) 06:01, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Okay thanks. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 06:02, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Should be handled via range block. Unfortunately I can't get the range contribs tool to load, so I can't check the use, but it's not that big. No need to change the bad image list IMO. Prodego 06:33, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

@Prodego: I think Legoktm beat you to it. They blocked 184.151.190.0/24 --Stabila711 (talk) 06:35, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

I did the /20 to catch the 178 address. Prodego 06:36, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Clerking RfC

Hello. You are invited to comment on this RfC concerning clerking at RfA: Misplaced Pages:2015 administrator election reform/Phase II/Clerking RfC. Please do not comment in this section, but rather make all comments in the appropriate place on the RfC. Thank you. Biblioworm 22:32, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

FWIW, I'm interested in being a closer on this one. If anyone else wants to close, please say something on the RfC's talk page before January 20, the 30-day point. I think it's a given that this one will be messy. I'm guessing it will be hard to assess consensus on one or more points, and if so, I intend to ask the voters for clarification (on just the hard-to-assess points). I've added a notice to that effect. Comments welcome, here or there. - Dank (push to talk) 23:18, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Stop the War Coalition article is a mess

The article on the Stop The War Coalition has degenerated into one user's pet project, and the bias is reflected throughout: For example, in clear violation of BLP, Agnes Mariam de la Croix is listed variously as an "Assad regime apologist" and other such epithets, in what clearly would constitute libel in the UK. Also, the entire article is being re-written to have a strong slant against the STW Coalition (not that I'm much a fan of them myself).

I've tried to undo some of the more troublesome edits, but please feel free to look at the article and see what I'm talking about. Solntsa90 (talk) 15:51, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

I am that "one user" and have worked on both the Mother Agnes and Stop the War articles. Solntsa90, while like you, I live in the UK, this website is bound by the law of libel in the United States. In many, many, articles in reliable sources published in Britain and the US, Mother Agnes has been accused of being an apologist for the Assad regime. Articles defending Stop the War in the mainstream UK media are scarce, and the article will inevitably reflect that slant. In any case, because online articles about Stop the War are rare in mainstream sources before about 2003, I am having to use the Socialist Worker website for factual information. It is the paper of the British Socialist Workers Party, a neo-Trotskyist organisation which was involved in setting up Stop the War. Any other positive pieces about Stop the War are likely to be contained in other WP:FRINGE and marginal, or at least alternative, sources. Philip Cross (talk) 17:59, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Phillip Cross has responded with a message on the talk page that casts doubt over his ability to edit Agnes Mariam de la croix, Stop the War Coalition, and other articles related to prominent British leftists without bias.

User:Solntsa90 is now clutching at straws to protect the dubious reputation of the wretched Mother Agnes. The Raya Jalabi article in The Guardian is clear on establishing a link between Jones and Scahill's threat and Mother Agnes withdrawal. In the quote I added to the citation it is clearly implied. That Raya Jalabi in her article does not use the word "because" is true, but it is ridiculous nit picking to remove this sentence for that reason. By the way, Misplaced Pages obeys the libel laws of the United States which don't allow such a dodgy individual as Mother Agnes as much protection as she would be allowed in the UK (my own country). Philip Cross (talk) 16:38, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Clearly and frankly, there is no interest in making unbiased edits on the part of the editor here. Solntsa90 (talk) 18:22, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

What users can type on a talk page is entirely different to what we can add to an article. Solntsa90, it is clear you cannot claim to be neutral in your talk page comments either. Contrary to multiple reliable sources, why are you so keen that Mother Agnes should be presented in a good light? Philip Cross (talk) 18:39, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

• There is only a single sentence mention of Agnes at Stop_the_War_Coalition#Syrian_civil_war. Agnes Mariam de la Croix is another matter entirely. The article is sprinkled with clear unsourced personal commentary in the middle of factual statements though. It seems to have other editors involved at the momenet. Solntsa90, are you asking for a block? For a topic ban? For more eyes? Are the sources provided inaccurate? Is this something for BLP/N not here? There are lines between sources claiming that she is favored by the regime and personal commentary stating that she is an apologist for the regime. It may require a bit more nuance in the writing about her. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 18:53, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
• No-one should be editing on a matter they have strong views on; BLP definitely applies on talk pages. Tentatively endorse a topic ban on the basis of the talk page comment, this edit, and more especially on Philip Cross's apparent inability to see that comments and edits like this will be seen as problematic. --John (talk) 18:58, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

In that edit is a citation to an article in The Daily Telegraph, a reliable source, and the article's author, Andrew Gilligan, is a reputable journalist. That it is Conservative newspaper, and Gilligan writes negatively about the far left quite often, does not mean the StWC article has a citation to an unsuitable source for a left-wing organisation. Stop the War has numerous people near its apex whose party and organisational affiliations are far from mainstream politics. In other words, in the UK context the mainstream parties* are the Conservatives, Labour, Liberal Democrats, Ukip (alas) and the Green Party (even if the BBC disagrees). The mostly fringe politics of StWC personnel has been an issue for a long time, and of the five mainstream parties, only the Corbyn faction of the Labour Party (a small minority of Labour MPs) and the Greens have had much time for it. Philip Cross (talk) 19:35, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Philip Cross (talk) 22:14, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Incidentally, the article has contained a long list of people involved in Stop the War for years. The political affiliations to the British Socialist Workers Party of John Rees and Lindsey German, and Kate Hudson (formerly) and Andrew Murray to the Communist Party of Britain have been there all along. The CPB and the SWP are small parties of the British far left. I simply raised the profile of these connections. So what, in addition, does the Gilligan article contain which is so objectionable? Philip Cross (talk) 19:48, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

So you maintain there is nothing even potentially problematic about your edits? The talk page comment and the edit I highlighted? And you intend to continue editing as you have been? --John (talk) 19:52, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Ah yes you mention here, one talk page comment you don't like about a controversial figure, and one edit you dislike. You are, of course, at liberty to do so. I might as well mention our disagreement earlier today over the Lord Janner article as well. Philip Cross (talk) 20:03, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

As I am taking that as a "yes", with an ad hominem thrown in, count me as a support topic ban. --John (talk) 20:45, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

• Support topic ban as well. Although I did add it, the fact that Philip Cross removed a citation needed tag from an alleged direct quote from a British politician (I was being nice rather than following BLP directly) without bothering to provide an actual citation is problematic enough. Tagging the organization based on its members and then tagging all the members together requires good sources and those statements have no sources at all, quite problematic when the claim is that they support the Assad regime. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 20:26, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Also if I may, George Galloway's article. This edit was made to a random part of his biography, and while sourced, is completely out of context, and some of the sources don't even say anything about Galloway saying such a thing(Not to mention, a completely random part of his biography this edit was attached to, the only relation being it's connection to Stop The War Coalition. Solntsa90 (talk) 07:05, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

For more eyes? Are the sources provided inaccurate? Is this something for BLP/N not here? Yes, the sources are rather inaccurate in how they are used (and you can review them in the history yourself), and often sometimes don't even contain any mention or reference to the content at all. Connections are drawn from insinuations, personal blogs and opinion columns that betray a nescience for accurate and non-hysterical writing. one in particular from a blogger James Bloodworth, where he compares Mother Agnes to Ernst Rohm, is particularily troubling.

In light of WP:BLP and the fact that Mother Agnes has never actually claimed to speak for the Assad government, I think such polemical sources are never appropriate. Solntsa90 (talk) 07:19, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

You guys still there? The article on George Galloway is being bulldozed as we speak. Solntsa90 (talk) 02:11, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Agnes Mariam de la Croix is in horrible shape --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 21:09, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

• I support a topic ban after this revert Philip Cross seems to be focused on coatracking as much negative information about Sr Mariam as possible into the article. BuzzFeed is entertaining but is not a WP:RS in nay way shape or form. --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 21:38, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Kevin Gorman Arbitration case suspended

The Arbitration Committee has resolved by motion that:

This case shall be suspended from December 22nd, 2015 to January 2nd, 2016.

For the Arbitration Committee, Amortias (T)(C) 20:13, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard#Kevin Gorman Arbitration case suspended

Policy proposal re redirects

I've proposed clarifying policy on unnecessary redirects. See Misplaced Pages talk:What Misplaced Pages is not#Proposal:_Extend_.22Wikipedia_is_not_a_Directory.22 to cover unnecessary redirects. There were four incidents in the last month involving the creation of massive numbers of redirects, and it became clear that no policy covered that. So I'm proposing one, as an addition to WP:NOT. The general idea is that if Misplaced Pages's search engine (which now handles spelling errors better) can find the article from the name of a redirect, the redirect is unnecessary. Please comment at the proposal. Thanks. John Nagle (talk) 21:05, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Webhost range block

Could someone please follow up on this for me? I'm on vacation, on my phone, and not familiar enough with webhost blocking policy. Here's the block being appealed: ~Awilley (talk) 20:29, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

• Special:Block/31.6.0.0/18 is a hardblock and disables account creation. Perhaps if this is indeed used legitimately for people who need it, we might consider making it anon.only and allowing account creation through ACC? Or we might allow ACC and grant IPBE individually... personally I would prefer the former option but I understand some webhostblock hardliners might want to keep it a hardblock. From a technical viewpoint, 31.6.0.0/18 is operated by Powerhouse Management out of a Netherlands address. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 22:19, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm not particularly sure if there's a reason to treat public webhost's (be they paid or free) any different from the way we treat general open proxies. As the template says, they are basically proxies. And while our Misplaced Pages:Open proxies, doesn't quite mention paid proxies (unlike the Meta:No open proxies, if they are basically open to anyone willing to pay, I would suggest they are basically open proxies. In other words while editors are free to use them provided they aren't using them to evade a block, ban or sockpuppet (e.g. avoid scrutiny), we will block proxies if necessary. Any editors who need to use a proxy can and should request an IP block exemption. Amongst other things, it will ensure they can choose whatever proxy works for them rather than having to rely on looking for ones we aren't blocking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nil Einne (talk • contribs) 15:12, December 25, 2015‎ (UTC)

There's both the case that a public webhost is logically equivalent to an open proxy, and the fact that Powerhouse supports piracy. I took both into account when I made the original block. There's no reason to permit access through this service. Can anyone suggest a reason that someone might need to use this where that someone would not qualify for IPBE in general?—Kww(talk) 23:39, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration motion regarding Nadirali

By motion of the Arbitration Committee at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment:

Nadirali (talk · contribs)'s topic ban from "India, Pakistan and Afghanistan broadly construed" that is part of their unban conditions is suspended for a period of one year. During the period of suspension, this topic ban may be reinstated by any uninvolved administrator as an arbitration enforcement action should Nadirali fail to adhere to Misplaced Pages editing standards in the area previously covered by the topic ban. Appeal of such a reinstatement would follow the normal arbitration enforcement appeals process. After one year from the date of passage of this motion, if the topic ban has not been reinstated or any reinstatements have been successfully appealed, the topic ban will be lifted.

For the Arbitration Committee, Kharkiv07 (T) 21:52, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Arbitration motion regarding Nadirali

WP:AIV not backlogged

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I'd like to report that WP:AIV is not backlogged. Would some enterprising admin or admins please not take care of this? Thanks. BMK (talk) 06:41, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose and merry Christmas Nick-D (talk) 07:16, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
• Support As a non-admin, I am highly interested in not taking care of this. Is there anything specific I need not to do? Isa (talk) 08:48, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
• It's that time of year. Vandals aren't safe from me for a few days. SQL 10:04, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

  @SQL: :D Prodego 00:00, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

  @Prodego:} Hey you! SQL 06:38, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

• Comment We are also not backlogged at WP:COIN. The paid editors seem to be on holiday. John Nagle (talk) 20:22, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

• Purchase orders probably aren't being processed in a timely fashion right now. BMK (talk) 23:51, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

• Comment Looks like most of the vandals are busy using their lump of coal to write the word poop on their parents fireplace. On a more serious note many special hoiday thanks to those who have dealt with AIV all year long. MarnetteD|Talk 23:54, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Persistent IP activity - not adhering to wp guidelines

IP activity from user that has likely used at least 10 different addresses. Doesn't act in good faith and often belittles other users, even when acting in good faith. This user has been encouraged on multiple occasions to register and obtain an appropriate login. The user has indicated that is the case because of a dynamic IP address, which constantly changes and the user indicates it can’t be helped. In edit summaries and when engaging on my talk page, there has been reference made to multiple accounts to try and help the user understand that guideline. The user has been unnecessarily caustic and not respectful to both other users and the WP process. The first time I’d been aware of editing from this user was here. One can see in the edit summaries from 17 October 2015 the condescending and rude approach taken when a more established editor simply tried to keep an article in what was felt to be appropriate context and word usage. On 22 December 2015, it can be seen that rather than simply making good faith edits, the summaries include references to “moronic errors” – as shown here. Each of these articles, along with a select few others engaged in, such as One Magnificent Morning, the user engages in edit warring and is unduly insistent that whatever that user has done must be retained and that somehow it’s an offense to have any changes made. Given the ever changing IP addresses, uncertain how to address the issue in a constructive manner. ChristensenMJ (talk) 16:03, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

A quick Geolocate search shows them as being in Salt Lake City Utah, and they're grumbling about Mormon related topics, they could , possibly have a conflict of interest. Just sayin' KoshVorlon 16:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Carnism

Can I get a few more eyes on this. Essentially, a one-source concept, with a lot of WP:SYNTH used to give the impression of other sources. Adam Cuerden 16:23, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement 2 case closed

The Arbitration enforcement 2 arbitration case (t) (ev / t) (w / t) (pd / t) has been closed, and the following remedies have been enacted:

1.1) The Arbitration Committee confirms the sanctions imposed on Eric Corbett as a result of the Interactions at GGTF case, but mandates that all enforcement requests relating to them be filed at arbitration enforcement and be kept open for at least 24 hours.

3) For his breaches of the standards of conduct expected of editors and administrators, Black Kite is admonished.

6) The community is reminded that discretionary sanctions have been authorised for any page relating to or any edit about: (i) the Gender Gap Task Force; (ii) the gender disparity among Wikipedians; and (iii) any process or discussion relating to these topics, all broadly construed.

For the Arbitration Committee, Kharkiv07 (T) 02:40, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Arbitration enforcement 2 case closed

Talk:Martin mcguiness

Could someone's please have a look at the Talk:Martin McGuiness page, I have provided evdiance that the 'monarch' field is not appropriate however users are simply ignoring my argumentsOuime23 (talk) 11:16, 25 December 2015 (UTC)Ouime23 (talk) 11:16, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Transferred from the talk page--Ymblanter (talk) 11:30, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

I assume you mean Talk:Martin McGuinness? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:50, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Looks like the biggest load of WP:IDHT I've ever seen. Whatever all the other editors are saying seems to be flying over Ouime23's head. @Ouime23:, you've been repeatedly told that the monarch field has nothing to do with the appointer of any given position in the government. It's the fact that the monarch of the UK is the head of state. This has been said over and over and over again. Each time the other editors tell you this, you're the one not listening. Blackmane (talk) 13:43, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Rich Farmbrough case amended

The committee has resolved by motion that:

Remedy 2 of the Rich Farmbrough case shall not apply in Rich Farmbrough's user space, his user talk space, or any subpage of Misplaced Pages:Database reports. Subject to the normal bot policy Rich Farmbrough may use automation in these exempted areas.

For the Arbitration Committee, Mdann52 (talk) 13:01, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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