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Hi. You're allowed to remove posts from your talkpage, a freedom I see you have taken full advantage of recently. But please don't inform people you have done so by posting the template <nowiki>{{uw-vandalism1}}</nowiki> on them, as you did . You've been editing Misplaced Pages for 10 years, I do believe you know that's not what those templates are for, and that it's offensive to use them for such a purpose. It's not much like "moving on", but more like stoking the fires. Thank you. ] &#124; ] 16:54, 4 February 2016 (UTC).
: I don't understand, I told him twice on my page to stop posting on my page, he continued to post on my page, and I reverted without doing anything about it. He then continued to post on my page, so I then wanted to let him know more strongly to stop so I put a template, which is what I've seen people use that template. I didn't want to report him for that. What should I have done? ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 17:02, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
::Used humanspeak. Not templatespeak, and especially not a vandalism template intended for newbies. And even apart from the provocative stuff about experimenting in the sandbox, you have now told CT "if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on ]". Yet that's what you're supposedly trying to prevent. Don't use a template unless you're prepared to take ownership of what it says. A lot of the time that means don't use a template at all. ] &#124; ] 17:23, 4 February 2016 (UTC).
::: Well, I don't want to deal with him at all, look at how he is acting on the Sander's page, other people are starting to call him out on his behavior. I removed my talk page stuff not because I was hiding evidence, as you are aware, it's all there, I just wanted to get on with why we're here and move on with life. I don't appreciate being called a troll, I don't appreciate being ignored, etc. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 17:27, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
::::Has it occurred to you that perhaps other Misplaced Pages editors don't appreciate you treating them as you did '''?''' Please listen to what ] is telling you about moving on vs. stoking the fires. --] (]) 18:12, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
::::: Nothing wrong with that comment, you said I have no idea what makes a Jew. You're the one being pedantic. When someone says they're Jewish, they mean religion. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 18:20, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::: ]. If you refuse to accept the fact that sometimes when someone says they're Jewish they mean a members of an ethnoreligious group originating from the Israelites/Hebrews of the Ancient Near East, they you need to be topic banned from all pages relating to Jews or Judaism. I am going to give you one last chance to look up the meaning of the word in whatever reference work you prefer and then to start calmly, rationally discussing why it is that the reference work has a completely different definition of "Jewish" than you do. If you refuse, I am going to go to ] and seek a topic ban forbidding you to edit any page related to Jews or Judaism. Your choice. I am not saying this to anger you or threaten you, but rather to protect Misplaced Pages from you inserting incorrect information based upon your incorrect understanding. --] (]) 19:16, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::When Bernie Sanders says he's Jewish, when his press kit says he's Jewish, when the news says he's Jewish, when everyone in the world says he's Jewish, they are not talking about ethnoreligious groups, they're talking about his religion. As an aside, can you name one person who means they not a member of the Jewish religion when they say they are Jewish? ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 19:27, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::How about a list? --> ] -- ] (] · ]) 21:23, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
{{od}} They are still Jewish. They might not be practicing, but just like Bernie when his press kit says "Religion:Jewish", they're Jewish. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 21:26, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:I want to make sure I understand you correctly. In your view, it would be fitting and logical for people on that list to have an infobox that lists their Religion as ''both'' "Judaism" ''and'' "Atheism"? (As an aside, it would seem to be helpful to use the terminology "their religion is Judaism" instead of "they are Jewish," since that's more precisely the subject at hand -- or do you fundamentally disagrre with that?) -- ] (] · ]) 21:33, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
::There was an RFC that said Atheism should not be in the infobox for religion. Also, Sanders is not an atheist. I think if someone were an atheist, that person might have more leeway to not have Judaism in their infobox, but in this case we have clear evidence that Sanders identifies, and that is the key word, as Jewish. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 21:37, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::Thank you. I believe you are saying that saying "he is Jewish" has ''exactly the same meaning'' as saying "his religion is Judaism," and likewise saying "his religion is Judaism" has ''exactly the same meaning'' as saying "he is Jewish." Am I understanding you correctly? -- ] (] · ]) 21:40, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
::::Yes. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 21:41, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::OK. That goes a long way toward explaining why you and other editors are clearly talking past each other. I can clearly see that other editors in these discussions define the terms differently. -- ] (] · ]) 21:47, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::: But again, all this is a philosophical discussion because the policies we have to go by are all based on what the future loser identifies as, and he identifies as Jewish. In the real world, there are indeed tons of atheist Jews, secular Jews and others, the Jewish religion is interesting like that. If someone converted to Reform Judaism, that person would not be Jewish under Orthodox or Conservative, but if an atheist Jew had a kid and that kid grew up and decided to become religious, that kid would be welcome into Orthodox and Conservative as a 100% Jew. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 21:53, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::: There are two relevant policies. The first is to go with reliable sources. The press kit is a primary source with unclear authorship, and at the same time we have reliable secondary ''and'' primary sources that address this topic. The second policy is to go with how the individual self-identifies. The only source where the self-identification of "Religion: Jewish" is seen is in the press kit; the other sources conflict with the simplicity of that assertion. When we have conflicting sources, the policy is to go with the more reliable ones, the more recent ones, and and consensus among multiple sources. In that respect, the press kit stands alone and gets trumped by the others, don't you agree? -- ] (] · ]) 21:59, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::Alas, if you are a person who believes that saying "he is Jewish" has exactly the same meaning as saying "his religion is Judaism", then you would necessarily see the multiple reliable sources that say that Bernie Sanders is Jewish as supporting the claim that Bernie Sanders' religion is Judaism. And if you refuse to look up "Jew" in a dictionary and reject any comments by Misplaced Pages editors saying that they are not the same thing, then you will never agree that only source where the self-identification of "Religion: Jewish" is seen is in the press kit. To you, every source that says that he is Jewish is a source that says that his religion is Judaism, and there are a ''lot'' of sources that say that Bernie Sanders is Jewish. I see only two ways out of this dilemma: Sir Joseph gives in and looks up "Jew" in a dictionary, or . --] (]) 22:59, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::: You seem to be hung up on the fact that Jews are an ethnoreligious group, so perhaps copying and pasting a sentence from the lead of that article will shed some light for you: "An ethnoreligious group (or ethno-religious group) is an ethnic group whose members are also unified by a common religious background." That would mean the Jews are a group whose members are also unified by a common religious background. Is there anything else I can help you with? ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 23:24, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
:::::::::: You could read these:
:::::::::: * http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Jew
:::::::::: * http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Jew
:::::::::: * http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jew
:::::::::: That would be helpful. --] (]) 02:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
::::::::::: Those sources are not reputable, perhaps MW is, I would use the OED if any (I wouldn't use a dictionary to define what a Jew is anyway) and that one proves that Sanders is Jewish, in any event, I still can't believe you are trying to say that I can't say Sanders is Jewish. Please don't post on my talk page anymore, I can't deal with this stupidity anymore. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 02:40, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

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Draft prod idea

Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(idea_lab)#Draftprod. Any thoughts? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:35, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

18:33:53, 8 February 2016 review of submission by Willharriett



Dear Sir Joseph, I am requesting a re-review because the person I am writing about is absolutely notable and the references are very strong. Fleming doesn't have just one reason to be considered notable, but quite a few. Fleming designed and created characters for the WWE that have millions of fans and had an effect on pop culture with toys, posters, t-shirts sold all over the world. The reference that was used in the article is the actual page on the WWE website that shows Fleming's design concepts and original drawings with his "FLEMING" signature on them, and they actually zoom in on his signature on a couple of them to make sure he gets the credit! There is no better source than the official website of the WWE showing Fleming's actual drawings/designs.

Fleming is also notable due to his FOUR CHESLEY AWARD nominations! He wasn't nominated just once for possibly the highest honor in Fantasy/Sci-Fi art, but FOUR times! According to Misplaced Pages one of the major guidelines for being notable is "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for one several times". The references are the official announcements and posts by year, category and piece that Fleming was nominated in (and are absolutely independent of him). These nominations alone according to Misplaced Pages make him notable!

A THIRD reason and possibly the biggest one is his federal lawsuit that he won on copyright infringement against A major retailer HomeGoods, and a large licensing company ATI. For a single artist to go up against two monster retailers and WIN a case like this has a HUGE effect for all artist nationwide and possibly worldwide! That is why the Boston Globe one of the countries most reputable newspapers put him on the cover story in the business section a few weeks later. The reference used is the author, date and title of the article that was published by the Boston Globe that is completely independent of Fleming and what better source is there than a newspaper of that reputation? As a backup and another reference, I used the article that Art Business News published soon after the trial called "Artist Vs. Goliath". The title says it all....no? Once again, Art Business News is a very strong source and all info about the article was listed.

Lastly, Fleming has done work for the biggest companies in the world for Comics and gaming! There are artists that are listed on Misplaced Pages that passed as notable for just working in one genre of the market alone?For example, Misplaced Pages has some artists that have just worked for Magic the Gathering passed as notable. Fleming has done that along with a multitude of other things.

I have worked very hard on this article because I believe Fleming truly deserves and has earned a Misplaced Pages page and for the public to be aware of his accomplishments. I truly hope you agree and decide that the references are trustworthy, independent, and adequate for notability. Thanks and have a great day. Willharriett (talk) 18:33, 8 February 2016 (UTC)Willharriett

Please comment on Talk:Emily Dickinson

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Talk:Emily Dickinson. Legobot (talk) 04:24, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Precisely

Know that Misplaced Pages is not some beis medrash, it's open to all. Chesdovi (talk) 19:09, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Exactly, you may think you're doing a favor to your cause, but others will see and use you as a pawn in their game. Do yourself, but more importantly do us a favor and tone it down. Stabberstinians and Rammerstinians don't need you as fodder to help them. Sir Joseph 19:11, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Your non-neutral POV-pushing is so blatantly obvious, why haven't you been blocked? I shall have to take this up with the powers that be. Chesdovi (talk) 19:13, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Having an opinion is allowed, you're the one editing in a non neutral manner, especially one giving fodder to one's enemies which is especially stupid. It's not against Wiki policies to have an opinion. Go speak to the powers that be, that is the common MO among the anti-Israel Wiki editors when they come upon an editor they can't chase away to try to have that editor blocked. Besides, the Satmar Rebbe forbids internet usage, so who is the one being intellectually dishonest here? You should be the one off the internet. Sir Joseph 19:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
I do try to edit neutrally. I really appreiciate it when others point out my erroneous pointy edits. What I don't like is having to contend with intolerant editors who dismiss out of hand the views and opinions held by other human beings. But that's expected from passionate nationalists who exist on Misplaced Pages to join the long and arduous fight against their "enemies". Chesdovi (talk) 19:46, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
Stay off my talk page. Sir Joseph 19:57, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Western Wall

Regarding , I suggest you start a discussion at the relevant talk page. Chesdovi (talk) 20:00, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

1) I told you to stay off my talk page. 2) It's on you to discuss on the talk page, if you are the one making major changes to an article. 3) Have you ever edited Misplaced Pages under another name? Sir Joseph 20:03, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

I only saw your territorialist note after I had posted my previous note. But I understand and will not launch any rammings or stabbings against your page in retaliation at my expulsion from it. I will stay off your land, I mean page, sorry. After all, it is yours. But I will not have you attempt to dispossess me from the main space. That would be POV cleansing which is frowned upon. The only problem is, you don't seem to always reply at talk, hence my latest edit at anti-Zionist stronghold of Meah Shearim. I do not generally take kindly to editors who edit in order to obtain the upper hand against good faith editing, hoping to keep material they are repulsed by off Misplaced Pages for as long as possible. Had I rejigged the sections at Western Wall without adding a sub-section associated with anti-Zionsim, nothing, I presume, would have triggered the alarm on your pro-Zionist radar warning system. Chesdovi (talk) 20:28, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

You violated the 1RR at that page. Kindly revert or I will file a report. Thank you. nableezy - 00:51, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Actually, youve violated the 3RR on that page, besides the ARBPIA 1RR. nableezy - 00:55, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
saying captured is a nnpov because then it opens up the page to a view of the wall being recaptured. That is why the neutral term of sovereignty is being used. Israel does exercise sovereignty over the site. A while back there was indeed a back and forth over this exact term, captured/re-captured and consensus was just to leave as exercised sovereignty which is a neutral term. We should try as much as possible to use terms that minimize edit wars, and let's try to have at least one article on Misplaced Pages that doesn't need to have IP conflict. This is about the Western Wall, not the IP conflict, it's a religious article, it has a bit about the conflict but it's mostly about the site and let's leave it at that. Let me know if you still want me to revert. I think the goal of Misplaced Pages is to build an encyclopedia not to aimlessly follow rules, and putting in weasel word, I think you should just leave be, the way it is now is fine and neutral. It means exactly what you want it to mean without the pov connotation. Sir Joseph 02:35, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
sovereignty is a term that says a state has legal title to that territory. That is not the case with Israel and East Jerusalem. Captured is simple fact, soveriegnty is contested minority opinion. Your view on what is neutral doesnt really concern me, and honestly I wish I had seen this response prior to you being blocked for the 3RR vio. Would have made things easier on me. nableezy - 16:10, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
Debresser, can you take a look at the Western Wall page? Chesdovi is on one of his edit sprees. WOW! Looking at his most recent edits, I think he just got a job working for Al Jazeera. The PA I am sure will most likely try to contact him in the future. Sir Joseph 16:25, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Talk:List of state leaders in 2016#RfC: Inclusion of Palestine as a sub state of Israel

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of state leaders in 2016#RfC: Inclusion of Palestine as a sub state of Israel. Could you please give your opinion on whether or not Palestine should be considered a separate sovereign entity from Israel? Many thanks Spirit Ethanol (talk) 17:32, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Mike Bickle (minister)

Hi. Just got an e-mail update from the JTA about this pastor. I have added two references, but frankly I feel uncomfortable about even typing what he said. Perhaps you could expand it?Zigzig20s (talk) 18:09, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Western Wall Source

Have you even bothered reading the source?-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 00:34, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

The Goren one? Yeah, I did. It's very ambiguous. Sir Joseph 00:43, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
The material sourced was ambiguous. The source itself is quiet detailed and goes beyond Goren simply saying that Jews had only prayed at the western wall for 300 years. It documents and reliably a a notable minority point of view covering not only the western wall but also the temple mount.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 00:48, 12 February 2016 (UTC)