Revision as of 02:24, 22 August 2006

Case Opened on 00:31, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

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Involved parties

• JoshuaZ (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• Ed_Poor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Requests for comment

• Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Ed Poor (2)

Statement by JoshuaZ

I bring this RfArb with a heavy heart. Ed has been an editor with Misplaced Pages far longer than I have, and has a history of many productive edits. However, on certain topics Ed has a long standing history of POV pushing and related problems. These problems were yet again addressed, this time in a recent RfC. In that RfC, multiple editors from a variety of topics, especially topics related to global warming and creationism. The RfC, painted a picture of edit warring, gross violation of 3RR. When he didn't ignore it, he attempted to game the system in a disturbingly literal fashion, comparing how he was allowed to revert to a game of Go . Since then, his conduct has unfortunately not improved. Continuing his edit warring and POV pushing on climate and creationism articles(recently spreading to animal rights related articles), he also continued other problems, such as POV forking and POV redirecting, constructing articles which were complete OR/POV and/or copy-vio such as the now deleted Good scientific practice. In one dif he declared that he won't "abandon" NPOV, showing that even after a heavily endorsed RfC, he is undable to understand that his POV is not NPOV . He has also taken to disrupting attempts to get new editors to conform to 3RR and other policies and made spurious claims on WP:PAIN and WP:3RR . I could continue, but the above should be sufficient to demonstrate the basic point: past attempts at mediation have failed. RfCs have failed. Intervention of the Arb Com is now necessary.

Statement by Uncle Ed

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Excuse me if I change my statement radically. This is a wiki, of course, so it's easy to make changes.

I myself wrote the definition of Misplaced Pages:POV pushing, and I pride myself on abiding by it scrupulously. On those rare occasions when I fail, I am quick (and eager!) to acknowledge these failures.

You need only point them out, as this contributor did. I can accept correction, when a mistake is explained to me.

If I've failed so many times as to constitute a "history of POV pushing", it should be easy to demonstrate this. I'd love to see some examples, especially if these show me creating and editing articles so that they show only one point of view and then laboring to preserve them in this unbalanced, biased state.

As I understand NPOV policy, the the following points are crucial:

• Misplaced Pages's neutral point-of-view (NPOV) policy contemplates inclusion of all significant points of view regarding any subject on which there is division of opinion.
• It is inappropriate to remove blocks of well-referenced information which is germane to the subject from articles on the grounds that the information advances a point of view.

Agreement that 3RR is not an entitlement

As for the "game of go" remark, JoshuaZ has perhaps overlooked my use of this metaphor as something I realize I should not do, the opposite of how he construed my remark.

• I got confused about "partial reverts"
• You simply can't bring the article back to its previous state - like repeating a board position.

Since then, I have drastically reduced the frequency of reverting unexplained reverts on the article Joshua mentions and increased my attempts to get discussions going.

I also advised user:Schlafly as follows:

• Carefully avoid making more than 3 reverts per 24-hour period to any article (2 is better, and 1 is ideal).
• invite other contributors to look at edits that have been unfairly reverted.

I fail to see how this is "disrupting" an attempts to counsel him on 3RR adherence. I specifically requested that he cut down on reverts and engage others in discussion, and He hasn't been blocked since.

Attempts to describe both sides of global warming controversy fairly

• The global warming controversy is an ongoing dispute about how much of the modern global warming is caused by human beings.

I don't see how it is "pov pushing" to write an article intro like this. If I've failed with this edit, then Joshua is right and I need to be restrained somehow - because to me this looks like a model of neutrality.

Restoring balance to controversial articles

Much of what interests me at Misplaced Pages is the opportunity to add information which explains the opposing point of view to articles on controversial topics which are dominated by a single POV. Far too many articles are unbalanced, emphasizing a mainstream point of view and neglecting minority viewpoints.

If edits which "advance" a POV are in violation of web site policy, then I guess I'll have to stop doing this. I didn't know this was wrong. --Uncle Ed 18:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Show me the evidence

I am very skeptical of the case against Ed Poor. Why is it that no one seems to be able to give any examples of bad edits? I have seen a few reasonable edits, but no bad ones. If JoshuaZ really has a case against him, then there should be some examples. This case is lame. Roger 02:24, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Preliminary decisions

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (4/1/0/0)

• Accept. Ed Poor has a long history here; if need be, we should look at this, once more. Charles Matthews 14:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
• Accept. Sam Korn 21:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
• Accept Fred Bauder 13:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
• Reject. Although there may well be a case, I don't see it yet. Convince me. James F. (talk) 22:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
• Accept ➥the Epopt 23:23, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

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