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Robert Gillespie of Blackhall, Baron of Blackhall was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 20 April 2013 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Blackhall Manor. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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There is no reaason to speak of the Achtriochtan estate in this article. Also, "Lord" implies membership of the peerage, which does not appear to be the case.

Weird comment indeed! This estate is only mentioned with respect to an 18th century family estate decision, and the word "Lord" is only used in connection with those of the Shaw Stewart family who were "Lord Lieutenants" and implies strictly nothing about the peerage.85.168.76.255 (talk) 13:16, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Individual section on the 27th baron removed to this site endidro (talk) 10:56, 6 April 2013 (UTC) Blackhall is now resident in the UK. 92.20.184.5 (talk) 21:19, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Reinstated cv of 27th baron; this issue was resolved in 2013; quote "The debate was closed on 20 April 2013 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Barony of Blackhall." Problem concerning cut and paste has been resolved by reediting as requested. Problem concerning personal knowledge not clear Coat of arms not been repasted Endidro (talk) 08:48, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I have launched an arbitration request to request removal of Justlettersandnumbers from eidting this site.Endidro (talk) 11:54, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

THERE ARE NO COPYRIGHT ISSUES. WHY THIS ONGOING HARASSMENT?Endidro (talk) 12:40, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Article concerns

The article has been blanked by another editor for copyright concerns. There also appear to be issues regarding WP:COI, as well as WP:OWNERSHIP by a series of perhaps related accounts. As for the individual's notability, there has thus far been no support via WP:RELIABLE sources; please see . 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 13:24, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

All of these issues were cleared up in 2013; so this new initiative appears to be ongoing harrassment by Wiki editors who are letting personal opinion cloud their objectivity about notability during two years of trench warfare. At all events, we shall permit the use of our material under the terms of the Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 3.0 Unported License (CC-BY-SA) and the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) (unversioned, with no invariant sections, front-cover texts, or back-cover texts) as requested, and the Wiki organisation shall be informed by e-mail of this as instructed.Endidro (talk) 17:14, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Endidro, how do you know what happened in 2013? You have been on Misplaced Pages for ten hours. Please be careful to avoid WP:SOCKPUPPETRY. Please also confirm that you understand that Misplaced Pages accounts are for individual, not collective, use (your statement "we shall permit …" above implies shared use).

If permission to use the text at http://mapage.noos.fr/rgillespi1/gillespie.html is sent to OTRS, please put a note here to say so, so that I know to look for it. However, please be aware that there is no guarantee that any part of the content will be used. Misplaced Pages is built on independent reliable sources, and Mr. Gillespie's personal history of the Shaw-Stewart family is neither of those things. What is principally missing here is any semblance of a reliable source that confirms that this Barony is notable. I note particularly that neither The Heraldry Society of Scotland nor The Scottish Castles Association, in their discussions of matters relating directly to Mr. Gillespie and Blackhall Manor, make any mention of a "Baron of Blackhall". I'm also faintly curious to know how Mr. Gillespie became "27th Baron" before the death of Sir Houston Mark Shaw-Stewart, 11th Baronet Stewart of Greenock and Blackhall, co. Renfrew, and how he was able to do so in preference to Sir Ludovic Houston Shaw-Stewart, to whom the title would presumably have passed by inheritance. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 18:46, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

You are rude, unprofessional, stupid and wasting my time. Scrap the article. Happy now?92.20.185.75 (talk) 09:42, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Following OTRS, I am now returning some of the original content to the article, which was been inexplicably removed; all of the reconstituted content appears in the accepted web source, but is otherwise worded.79.67.100.189 (talk) 21:17, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

That the content of someone's personal peacock page has been released under a licence that would allow its use in Misplaced Pages resolves the previous copyright problem. It does not guarantee or imply in any way that the content is suitable for this project or that any part of it will be used here. Misplaced Pages is built on what is written in independent reliable sources. Mr. Gillespie's account of his own importance is neither independent nor reliable. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:17, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

The words "personal peacock page" belie that your convictions have unprofessionally taken precedence over your objectivity. Your function is not to promote your personal opinions; your snide remarks about the baronial succession show that you are occupying yourself with questions which are absolutely none of your business; your systematic and tyrannical destruction of the posted article over the past 4 years, despite the 2013 decisions which found against your type of aggression all show your lack of objectivity and so, your inaptitude to fulfil the role which Wiki has entrusted to you. You ask questions which had already been answered in the original text with proofs, but your blind, destructive bloodlust to bring this article down for reasons that probably concern your own existential problems kicked them into oblivion. The latest version of the article had removed all bio information to the current baron so that you would finally shut up; the language had been reworded to avoid copyright issues and the copyright was submitted so that you would finally shut up too; it gave valid historical information and retraced a full history of ownership of a Scottish royal barony since 1395 including persons referred to in other Wiki articles; there are few other baronies able to do this.

I need to find in the Wiki organisation an objective arbitrator whom I can trust, because you are not trustworthy and you are biased, in addition to being disqualifid by your rudeness79.67.100.189 (talk) 12:42, 10 March 2016 (UTC).

79.67.100.189, what can be written about the Barony of Blackhall in Misplaced Pages is determined by the sources available, and not by one person's high opinion of himself. Misplaced Pages does not tolerate promotion of any kind, and Bgillesp and various sock-puppets and IPs have been relentlessly attempting to promote Robert Gillespie here; they should stop.

If you are able to identify independent reliable sources which could be used to expand the article, please list them here, on this talk page. Because of your patent conflict of interest you are strongly discouraged from editing the article itself.

If you want to attract the attention of an administrator you can use the template {{Admin help}}, but please read the documentation before doing so – it lists some other options for requesting help. If you ask for admin help, your request should specify what administrator task you want carried out. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:17, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

This one-page article was posted in 2012. The article has local historical information concerning feudal barony since the middle ages in this part of Renfrewshire; the barony was created by King Robert II in 1395, and the first caput, Blackhall Manor remains Paisley's oldest dwelling. The current baron is the most recent of 27 since 1395, fully researched by Janet Bolton of the Royal Stewart Society, as has always been mentioned in the footnotes. The Scottish Lord Lyon King of Arms made the current baron of Blackhall infeft in 2002; a footnote extract from the Edinburgh Gazette in the original article has since been removed by others. In fact, after many, many changes to satisfy what are claimed to be Wiki guidelines, the whole article has disappeared, and has been completely overwritten.

The article existed virtually without problem for a few years until complaints were posted about article quality and the notability of the current baron. In 2012, a request was lodged for speedy deletion of the baron’s bio. The complaint boxes were eventually removed when, as instructed, we transfered the current baron's bio information in 2013 from an individual bio page to the Barony of Blackhall article.

Someone called Justlettersandnumbers disputed the baron's bio again in 2015, long after the Wiki resolution in 2013. To satisfy this person, the baron’s bio was totally removed, despite the 2013 resolution. He put up boxes complaining about copyright and challenged us about knowing the baron despite the fact that all information came from a public website and from Who’s Who.

Recently, the exchange became acrimonious: Justlettersandnumbers made personal remarks in the talk pages concerning the baron, using thinly veiled inuendo; calling the website a “peacock” page; asking pointedly why the previous baron’s son is not the current baron. Justlettersandnumbers has continually modified, and finally, removed the article without warning or ado. He or she has made threats if we attempted to reestablish the article following our complaints; he or she now wants to know our personal names!

For four years, we have worked to resolve continual challenges issued to us principally, we think, by this person. Every time we resolved the most recent criticism, another appeared in total disregard of the article’s previous Wiki authorizations and clear historical interest for Renfrewshire, Ayrshire and the City of Paisley. This uncanny game goes on and on, and to arrive at this final destruction despite the research and care that went into it to meet these never-ending so-called guidelines looks now more to arise more from Justlettersandnumbers wish to harass.Endidro (talk) 11:49, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Comments addressed to Robert McLennon for Dispute Resolution

Hello Robert. We had asked for resolution of a dispute with Justlettersandnumbers concerning the Barony of Blackhall page. Discussion has been ongoing for years and now our article has just disappeared. There had been discussion on the talk page but the old entries were removed two years ago after a seeming resolution. Justlettersandnumbers appears repeatedly in the history as having removed text. We understand that the dispute resolution process has been stopped by you, yet it seemed to us that there is sufficient history in the talk page to search for a resolution and that Justlettersandnumbers does have an elaborate contact page. Justlettersandnumbers has removed our article repeatedly at a stroke and left something else in its place. Should we reconstitute the original to get the dispute-resolution process moving? He will just remove it again if we do, we think. We left our comments on his (or her) talk page, but he has removed them also. Please help us here. Thanks and kind wishes. Endidro (talk) 17:13, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

We have just returned the article to its original with a note to please leave, as under dispute resolution. we suspect that Justlettersandnumbers will vandalise it again. It's the best we can do to prepare the resolution.Endidro (talk) 17:42, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

We have just noticed that many of the changes made by Justlettersandnumbers in the history of the page have been removed!!! This person is out of control and accuses us of vandalism.Endidro (talk) 18:08, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Discussion and Problem Resolution with this Article 25/3/2016

_{A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. (October 2015)}=

Knowledge of Stewart and Shaw-Stewart family history and of the history of the manor is entirely based on the publically available cited essays by Bolton and Olar as shown the base: The Place of Blackhall – the Story of eight centuries," Janet S. Bolton, Stewart Society Journal-Vol. XVIII N° 3 The Stewarts of Blackhall and Ardgowan," J.L. Olar BA, Journal of Ancient and Medieval Studies: The Octavian Society, 1997–2000 From Royal Stewart to Shaw Stewart," Janet S. Bolton, Nenufra Publications 1989 No information is left on the page concerning the current baron, Gillespie, because, despite permission given to transfer his bio to this site in 2013, it was removed following the persistent harassment. All public information on him is available on the French edition of Who's Who, which had been cited in an original link, which has since disappeared. Other information was initially supplied through an early Gillespie site which has existed in 2001, established with Scots clan interests in the name by the current baron and others, but almost none of this information remains on the page. There have been four individual contributors working together having Scottish interests, particularly in Renfrewshire, now collectively, Endidro.Endidro (talk) 21:01, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

This article includes a list of references, related reading or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it lacks inline citations. (March 2016)

To be worked on.Endidro (talk) 21:01, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Endidro (talk) 20:39, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

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