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Request for comment

Hi there, recently you edited the page La Luz del Mundo, which at the time has only 3 editors working on it. We have been trying to make the page as neutral as possible but have gotten into certain disputes. One of the editors accuses two of us of trying to make the page a publicity page for the church, which is false. Anyway, this editor reverts most edits to the Controversy section (which I recently changed to Criticism according to WP:CRIT). Two of us believe that a source (The Revista Academica) is not reliable, but the other editor insists that is. Please have a look at the talk page Talk:La_Luz_del_Mundo, particularly this section Talk:La_Luz_del_Mundo#RfC:_Is_Revista_Academica_a_reliable_source.3F and give us your input. Thank you. Ajaxfiore (talk) 21:17, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't know what to do

Hi, Another editor has begun to edit La Luz del Mundo article. He came on the talk page as a 3O editor and oddly requested opinions from all three current editors of that page. After receiving only two, he oddly accused the only editor that has edited multiple articles, Ajaxfiore, of having a single purpose account based on my comment that RidjalA and I mainly edit the LLDM article...which is really strange since that would make me and RidjalA the real WP:SPA's (Note:I have been attempting to spread out to other articles). This is his comment on the talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:La_Luz_del_Mundo&diff=522433367&oldid=522431560 before he proceeded to section blank the following:

1. Half the Controversy and Critism section
2. The architecture section
3. The discrimination section
4. The history section
5. removed sourced material from the Belief and Practices section
6. removed most of the section lead
7. Changed the infobox by removing sourced information

I honestly do not know what to do. RidjalA isn't responding and Ajaxfiore mentioned that he "quite" the article. You were the first thing that came to mind after I alerted RidjalA of what happened (on his talk page). What should I do? What can be done? How can I get RidjalA and Ajaxfiore to return to the article to edit it? Fordx12 (talk) 01:37, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

RidjalA responded to me here http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:RidjalA&diff=522571033&oldid=522568288 Apparently he threatened to ban me and says that the 3O editor is an admin and PhD dissertations are not viable wiki sources...one of this makes sense...I really need someone to help me out here. I contacted you because you edited in the article's talkpage. Fordx12 (talk) 02:00, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

• Is User:RobertRosen your 3O editor? He is not an admin.
• WP:Identifying reliable sources says of PhD dissertations: "Completed dissertations or theses written as part of the requirements for a PhD, and which are publicly available, are considered publications by scholars and are routinely cited in footnotes. They have been vetted by the scholarly community; most are available via interlibrary loan. Dissertations in progress have not been vetted and are not regarded as published and are thus not reliable sources as a rule. Masters dissertations and theses are only considered reliable if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence."
• It looks like dispute resolution has been initiated. There are editors there who can help the involved parties come to an agreement. A word of advice: the goal there is to resolve the content issues, not hash out interpersonal disputes, so try not to get dragged into accusations and counter-accusations.TheBlueCanoe 12:01, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism procedure

The rules are generally four warnings then a block request. If you had bothered to read the IP's talk, you might have noticed a communication, followed by a fourth warning then a block. Cheers Jim1138 (talk)

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A barnstar for you!

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	Thank you so much for your help with my first page. I really appreciate the changes you made. Hope you have a wonderful holiday season with family and friends. Robert Michael Murray 23:23, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

My pleasure. It's great to see new editors creating quality work. Merry Christmas to you! TheBlueCanoe 18:32, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

You know this guy?

Hi Blue Canoe. Today several edits appeared on my watchlist by a new editor, User:Lostromantic. When I checked his contribution log, I found a couple things that gave me pause. First, he's almost exclusively editing articles I created. And secondly, one of his very first edits after creating an account was to leave you an apparently unprovoked, abusive talk page comment. Just wondering if you know anything about this. I've had the experience of being wikihounded before, and I don't take kindly to it—especially from people with an apparent predilection for userspace harassment. Homunculus (duihua) 01:24, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry too much about it. My guess is that the talk page thing was in response to this edit, where I restored some information that an IP address (possibly the same guy) had deleted. If you want to edit on contentious topics you just need to be prepared to deal with the consequences. I'm fine with that. But I understand you don't like being stalked. Let me know if he gives you more trouble, eh? TheBlueCanoe 03:23, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Glad I stayed outta Dodge!

Yay! Are you wanting to hold the Yu Zhou DYK for a certain date? Rcej (Robert) – talk 02:29, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Yup. I'm starting realize how convoluted disputes can get. Anyway, I think all the real disagreements on the content issues have been sorted, and I don't think there's a single thing that a neutral observer could possibly have a problem with in that article at this point. The DYK is probably good to go whenever it's approved. It could be nice to hold it to the anniversary on February 6th, but I don't know how to request that, and I'm not very picky. You seem like a regular at DYK, so you probably know better than me what we should do.

I must have driven through Shreveport, but unfortunately I don't make it down there much anymore. Now I live in a land of ice and snow.TheBlueCanoe 03:08, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Request for comment on Talk:La Luz del Mundo

Hi there! I invite you to participate in the request for comment on Talk:La Luz del Mundo. Should you wish to respond to the invitation, your contribution to this discussion will be very much appreciated! Ajaxfiore (talk) 17:22, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Death of Yu Zhou

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DYK nomination of Ebor (horse)

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Thanks, I just posted some other options, and look forward to hearing your thoughts. TheBlueCanoe 02:18, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ebor (horse)

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Du Bin

Hey the article's looking heaps better now! I'm pretty new at having a wiki account so still trying to work out how it all works. Cheers, Haminoon (talk) 00:55, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for getting the article started. Keep it up! TheBlueCanoe 02:22, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Du Bin

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about Falun Gong's page

Hello

I'm not sure it's the best way to contact you,nor if I'ù talking to the right person, cos I'm a beginner on wikipedia. I'm french and actually try to edit some content on the Falun Gong's page. I found the english page very interesting, so I directly translate part of this page to the French Falun Gong's page. Some wikipedia editors are... kind of angry, talks about controversial point of view, and so on? I don't know what to answer, for I think the research made by people on the english page are quite serious and I agree on them. But these french editors points out that some controversial are still existing on the english page, I don't really see what they are talk about. These are the same editors that spread rumours coming from the CCP, I don't know what to answer. They don't even talk about the content or try to reformulate, they are just kind of angry and always blame on cotroversial, or "unappropriate form to encyclopedia". As I'm almost blocked on wikipedia, I'd like to have the point of view of english writter on Falun Gong page, and about the controversial than existing on the english version. Do you know someone that can help me?

Thanks.

Davives

The content we have on the English side seems to be much richer than what's available in French, so you're probably making some good contributions if you can translate some material.

I haven't found the Falun Gong pages to be too controversial, actually. Most of the regulars on the pages are pretty cool, even if I don't always agree with them, and for the most part the Falun Gong articles are well written. It hasn't always been that way, and I think there used to be more of the problems you're describing, but this is just my experience.

If you find certain people are acting in a counterproductive or obstructionist way, or even if you're just having a hard time finding common ground with other well-meaning editors, try getting input from experienced editors to help sort it out. You could also initiate a dispute resolution resolution process to sort out the particulars of the content disagreements (here we have a dispute resolution noticeboard, as well as several more specific noticeboards like WP:POVN, WP:RSN, etc. Not sure what you have on French Misplaced Pages). In the mean time, keep a cool head, be patient, and read up on both the content and conduct rules, including WP:NPA, WP:3RR, and WP:NPOV. TheBlueCanoe 05:09, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Dominican Election

Remember: hey I answer your question about Dominican Republic General Election of 2016 in the talk page. Att.: Israel Mencía

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Precious

We need a neutral tone, supported by the sources.
Thank you for quality articles such as Du Bin and Death of Shane Todd, for expanding Persecution of Falun Gong, for "We need a neutral tone, supported by the sources." and other clear edit summaries, on the background of a silent user page, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:51, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

A year ago, you were the 923rd recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:48, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

well made!

this is funny. for the first time, i found a page on an obscure chinese communist ideological/political figure that is already made. i look through the contributions to see that you had made it. i have been on a somewhat haphazard wander through the haunts of CPC dudes and found that the 'pedia's offerings have been consistently thin gruel, so have been trying to help. i'll try to add some bricks to your jade Li Dongsheng piece. i have been editing by myself for a while so any notes on collaborative editing helpful.Happy monsoon day 03:14, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it was my best work, but thanks. I just saw a red link on 610 Office and decided to make something of it. Glad to see someone else is trying to improve it. TheBlueCanoe 00:58, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Ethan Gutmann

Do you think Gutmann would meet wikis notability requirements?Aaabbb11 (talk) 14:08, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Yea, probably. Check WP:BIO to be sure. Also, you would help your case by using more high quality citations to demonstrate notability, rather than just stuff from Gutmann's own page. Find book prominent reviews of his two books and biographies on independent websites. Seems like he also got called out by David Brooks as a Sidney Award recipient for long-form journalism. TheBlueCanoe 22:09, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Gutmann seems to meet notabilty criteria in 3 instances as per EG talk page.Aaabbb11 (talk) 23:46, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

FG-related Good Articles?

Hello TheBlueCanoe. You stated at WP:AE that three FG-related articles had been brought up to GA status. Can you let me know which ones? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:05, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Falun Gong outside mainland China, 610 Office, Falun Gong, Kilgour-Matas report. Hope that helps. TheBlueCanoe 21:23, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

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STOP your harassment and intimidation

I'm asking you to stop your harassment and intimidation on my user page regarding Falun Gong articles. If you have any issues on the content just use the article's Talk page, you're not welcome to write on my user page. STSC (talk) 22:58, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Asking you to focus on content, rather than conduct, is not harassment. Neither is pointing out that you had engaged in a pattern of problematic editing across multiple pages, and giving you the opportunity to remedy it yourself. If the problem with your caption changes were confined to a single article, I would have brought it up on the corresponding talk page. Anyway, you've been reminded of the applicability of discretionary sanctions to these pages.TheBlueCanoe 01:06, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

I would also remind you the discretionary sanction. I can see your real motive is to intimidate other editors who try to input more balanced content in Falun Gong related articles. You don't own the articles, you don't give me "opportunity to remedy", what a nonsense. STSC (talk) 01:16, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Israel Meir Kagan

What's your opinion about the NYT obituary as source for the claim that Yisrael Meir Kagan wanted to become a high priest? I ask because the discussion may have put the question in a somewhat new light. --Jonund (talk) 13:57, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

I'll take a look. TheBlueCanoe 17:47, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Your AE report

I suggest you strike this and explain why because STSC's edit is consistent with the cited sources.

• – claiming that something attributed to a third party is actually just from “Falun Gong sources”

The cited sources.

• Falun Gong sources estimate that tens of millions continue to practice privately.
• Lawyers representing imprisoned Falun Gong members said...

Sean.hoyland - talk 17:19, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Also, you should strike this and explain why because, again, STSC's edit is consistent with the cited source.

• - Torture deaths as reported by the New York Times are merely “alleged”
• that human rights groups say has led to the imprisonment of tens of thousands of practitioners and claimed at least 2,000 lives

What else did you get wrong? Sean.hoyland - talk 17:26, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

• Chinese human rights lawyers who have represented Falun Gong defendants are not "Falun Gong sources".
• Except in certain cases (e.g. when an individual is accused of a crime and a trial is pending, for instance), Misplaced Pages's manual of style recommends against using expressions of doubt such as "alleged", which is precisely what STSC has repeatedly done. (see WP:ALLEGED). TheBlueCanoe 18:00, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

If you provide weak evidence in an AE report, any experienced editor/admin can rip it to bits and you can end up looking like the POV pusher. STSC changed the statement to exactly match the State Dept report cited. If you don't acknowledge that and someone points it out, what does that say about you and the quality of your evidence? Maybe lawyers representing Falun Gong defendants are not "Falun Gong sources" but they are not independent third party sources and pretending they are will not look good. And WP:ALLEGED obviously doesn't mean it's okay to remove the attribution that was in the New York Times (that the 'alleged' represents) and turn the statement into an undisputed, unattributed statement of fact in the neutral narrative voice of one of the top sites on the internet with a mandatory WP:NPOV policy, in the lead no less. This isn't an effective way of dealing with biased editors in my opinion. Sean.hoyland - talk 18:47, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Also, consider the options available to counter evidence presented about the image caption changes. The Amnesty source cited (in German) does not say Gao Rongrong was tortured to death, it says they died in custody. So the caption was apparently inconsistent with the source cited. And while a German speaker might pick 'was reported' or 'reportedly' I guess, perhaps a non-German speaker might rely on google translate which uses 'allegedly', the word STSC used. So there is a non-English source ambiguity defense against the evidence. And again, the evidence can be used to make you look like the non-neutral editor. Sean.hoyland - talk 19:07, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

I appreciate your thoughts. Interestingly, when pressed on his claim that the number came from "Falun Gong sources," STSC didn't point to the state department report, but rather to the Telegraph article. Either way it's clear that the estimate is supported by more than just Falun Gong sources (though personally I think the number seems too high). On the NYTimes question, the ideal scenario might be to have the article read "As of 2009, human rights groups estimated that at least 2,000 have died..." That is the more neutral way to attribute the claim. But simply stating that something is "alleged" is not particularly helpful, and here the intended effect is to express doubt about the credibility of the claims. On Gao Rongrong, the sources I find do use "reportedly" (e.g. "Officials had reportedly beaten her in 2004, including by using electro-shock batons on her face and neck"), but they clearly state that she died in custody—so why would STSC remove this? And why use misleading edit summaries? And if, indeed, the editor is simply trying to maintain a NPOV, why is there no evidence of this level of prudence and attention to detail being exercised in the opposite direction?

Anyway, you may be right—maybe I could have found better diffs to illustrate the case, but we'll see what happens.TheBlueCanoe 19:17, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

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