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Nomination of Clarawood for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Clarawood is suitable for inclusion in Misplaced Pages according to Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Clarawood until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. –Davey2010 17:40, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

April 2016

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you disrupt Misplaced Pages. –Davey2010 22:05, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

• Insert that crap again and I'll have you blocked, This being a collaborative project you need to work with others and make compromises etc.... reverting everyone and taking OWNership of the Clarawood leads nowhere except you being blocked indefinitely .....,

You need to write the article like you're a complete random editor who basically fancied writing about the estate (There's millions of articles on areas here - pick a random one and use it as a template if you like).... If you cannot do that then you should probably leave...,

That's all you need to do - Write the article like a random editor ... that's it ....,

Thanks, –Davey2010 22:11, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Conflict of interest in Misplaced Pages

Hi Clarawood123. I work on conflict of interest issues here in Misplaced Pages and my attention was called to your situation by the ANI filing. Apparently nobody has talked with you about what we call "conflict of interest" in Misplaced Pages, which is pretty clearly at the root of the problems you are experiencing. You made it clear in this comment that you are "a very long term resident of Clarawood with direct experience", and every edit you have made has been about Clarawood. And your username of course reflects that. I'm giving you notice of our conflict of interest guideline and will have some comments and questions for you below.

Hello, Clarawood123. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about on Misplaced Pages, you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a COI may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. In particular, please:

• avoid editing or creating articles related to you and your circle, your organization, its competitors, projects or products;
• instead propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (see the {{request edit}} template);
• when discussing affected articles, disclose your COI (see WP:DISCLOSE);
• avoid linking to the Misplaced Pages article or website of your organization in other articles (see WP:SPAM);
• exercise great caution so that you do not violate Misplaced Pages's content policies.

In addition, you must disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation (see WP:PAID).

Please familiarize yourself with relevant policies and guidelines, especially those pertaining to neutral point of view, sourcing and autobiographies. Thank you.

Comments and requests

Misplaced Pages is a widely-used reference work and managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Misplaced Pages and retaining the public's trust in it. As in academia, COI is managed here in two steps - disclosure and a form of peer review. Please note that there is no bar to being part of the Misplaced Pages community if you want to be involved in articles where you have a conflict of interest; there are just some things we ask you to do (and if you are paid, some things you need to do).

As I noted above, it is clear from your username, your editing, and your actual disclosure that you are a long time resident of Clarawood. It is not clear to me if you own the place where you live and have an actual financial conflict of interest, but it is clear that you are very invested in how people see Clarawood, and in your notions about it. This connection to Clarawood - your "interest" in it, is creating a conflict of interest here in Misplaced Pages, and that conflict is in turn driving the problems you are having with other editors.

Can you see that?

If so, I would I would like to explain what you should be doing (what you should have been doing all along) -- and if you can agree to that stuff, the problems should diminish and the community will not have to ban you (which is where things are heading at ANI). Please do reply here and let me know if you acknowledge the conflict of interest, and we can take it from there. Please do reply here - I am watching this page. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 00:59, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Thankyou for your advice. I find it extremely disheartening that I have been accused of having a conflict of interest and having written the article in a biased fashion. I would have thought that the substantial referencing would have dispelled that notion. I am also concerned that there is a suggestion that I am either paid or have a financial interest in anything. I do not. I can assure that I have already familiarised myself with the Misplaced Pages Guidelines and Policies and considered thoroughly, as best I can, whether anything I have done has been wrong or misguided. I am confident it has not been.

At present, following the latest edits by others, and as I have highlighted at the AfD and the ANI, the Clarawood page is factually innaccurate from the first line of the infobox, it is misreferenced throughout and it is in breach of copyright due to the deletion of legal statements related to multiple references. I am not touching it as I will only be accused - as I have been already - of ownership etc. Thankyou Clarawood123 (talk) 09:32, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

I am sorry you are disheartened. This is all entirely workable -- really it is. Conflict of interests happen in Misplaced Pages when people have some strong connection to something in the real world, and then come to Misplaced Pages to write about it. If you read the WP:COI guideline you will see that what happens when this conflict occurs - the conflict between an editor's external relationships and their obligations to Misplaced Pages -- is pretty much what has happened with you. Other people who are independent of the topic come and look at the work, and find all kinds of bias in it. It is not something conflicted editors do on purpose - it is not because they are bad people or anything like that - it is just the bias that is created by having that very strong connection to the thing you are writing about. For instance, I work with people here in Misplaced Pages, who came here to write about their employer. Not paid to do that, but doing that because they really believe in their company and its products, and want to tell the world how great they are. This is what you have been doing with the place where you live - where I am guessing you own a home (or at least own a whole life.) Can you see that? Jytdog (talk) 10:03, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

I very much understand the principle of a Conflict Of Interest and I very much understand the Neutrality rule. The article was not biased and everything in it was fully referenced as I have already mentioned. As I also suggested, those who have been accusing me of bias and opinion have provided no evidence to back that up, only opinion and assertion. Instead they have actually deleted the comments on the talk page where I explained why I reverted some edits. This, in my view, is because it showed them to be wrong in their assertions about me. This has blown up because CDRL102 removed a portion of the opening line of the article stating that it was simply my opinion. It was not my opinion, as I explained in the notes deleted by Davey2010, it was a matter of absolute documented fact and was referenced to an academic report which, as I explained, was the pilot study which launched and led to what are now known as the Multiple Deprivation Measures, the offical Government Statistics used by every Government Department and Local Council in Northern Ireland to determine where and how to spend public money. These stats and references show very clearly that Clarawood is exactly what I said it to be and therefore I reverted CDRL102's edit. However, even though it read badly, I even kept another change they had made so the accusation that I simply revert blankly is not true. The article as written also very clearly highlighted drug problems, paramilitary activity, poverty, deprivation, flooding and sectarianism. If this was a promotional article it failed. PS I do not own anything in Clarawood and I am starting to resent the pressure that I have some sort of interest in painting a picture of Clarawood as it is not. Everything I wrote was balanced, fair, factual and referenced. Those who have asserted otherwise have provided no evidence to the contrary and have deleted my evidence when it showed them up. You yourself are trying the approach, in asking me can I see something, to try and make me out in a psychological fashion to be someone who simply refuses to look at themselves honestly and who is not prepared to compromise or see another point of view. This is not true and as I have already said, look at the evidence not the assertions Clarawood123 (talk) 17:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

OK, you are not open to listening, so I don't think there is anything I can do to help you. People who insist that they have done everything right and everyone else has done badly do not last long here. That is the path you are choosing. I do wish you well. Jytdog (talk) 18:17, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello Clarawood123. You have my sympathy. Although Jytdog is not an administrator, he has all the privileges of an administrator, including the right to bully and insult people and not to be held to account for it. Jytdog and his friends have hijacked Misplaced Pages and it is now the encyclopedia that only people who kowtow to Jytdog can edit. Why Misplaced Pages's real administrators allow this scandal to continue is a mystery. I can only assume that they are scared of Jytdog. I am not scared of Jytdog and I will continue to hound him until Misplaced Pages's cowardly administrators find the courage to place a total ban on him. MagneticMarcella (talk) 13:50, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Jytdog is constantly lecturing people on the need to learn about Misplaced Pages but Jytdog is the supreme example of a person who absolutely refuses to learn. The reason Jytdog is being hounded by WURT is that he bullies and insults people. If he would stop the bullying and insulting then WURT would stop hounding him. Is this really such a difficult lesson to learn? MagneticMarcella (talk) 18:15, 13 April 2016 (UTC)