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	:::::::::OK, so this is a little complicated. Generally speaking, we draw distinctions in Misplaced Pages between "conflict of interest" (working on an article about your employer, or being a freelancer and editing Misplaced Pages articles for pay, for example), and what we call "advocacy" (say someone is is a vegetarian and believes that eating meat is ''evil'' and comes to Misplaced Pages to write about how great vegetarianism is, and all the ways eating meat is really, really bad). COI is a subset of advocacy; all advocates, whether they have a COI or not, tend to violate the ] and NPOV policies because of some strong commitment they have to something in the real world. Sometimes this is on purpose, but most often it is not so much on purpose, but just the way the person sees the world. Where does being a follower of a swami fit in, within the field of advocacy? Pretty darn close I think to being a clearly definable external "interest" that creates a conflict with the obligation to following community policies and guidelines, here in Misplaced Pages. Do you understand what I'm talking about here, and see what I mean? In my view, we (including you) should maybe consider that you have a COI. What that would mean, is that we would ask you not to understand that you bring a very strong belief with you into Misplaced Pages, and that instead of editing content about Swami Premananda directly, you would offer up content on the Talk page of the relevant article for others to "peer review". Would you be willing to do that? ] (]) 18:11, 14 April 2016 (UTC)		:::::::::OK, so this is a little complicated. Generally speaking, we draw distinctions in Misplaced Pages between "conflict of interest" (working on an article about your employer, or being a freelancer and editing Misplaced Pages articles for pay, for example), and what we call "advocacy" (say someone is is a vegetarian and believes that eating meat is ''evil'' and comes to Misplaced Pages to write about how great vegetarianism is, and all the ways eating meat is really, really bad). COI is a subset of advocacy; all advocates, whether they have a COI or not, tend to violate the ] and NPOV policies because of some strong commitment they have to something in the real world. Sometimes this is on purpose, but most often it is not so much on purpose, but just the way the person sees the world. Where does being a follower of a swami fit in, within the field of advocacy? Pretty darn close I think to being a clearly definable external "interest" that creates a conflict with the obligation to following community policies and guidelines, here in Misplaced Pages. Do you understand what I'm talking about here, and see what I mean? In my view, we (including you) should maybe consider that you have a COI. What that would mean, is that we would ask you not to understand that you bring a very strong belief with you into Misplaced Pages, and that instead of editing content about Swami Premananda directly, you would offer up content on the Talk page of the relevant article for others to "peer review". Would you be willing to do that? ] (]) 18:11, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
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			Stop patronising Doughnutgirl, Jytdog. You have a much bigger conflict of interest than she does. You are too obstinate to realize it, but you are using ]. ] (]) 18:33, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding some of your edits that have been considered disruptive. The thread is Whitewashing of Swami Premananda (guru) article.The discussion is about the topic Swami Premananda (guru). Thank you. Kenfyre (talk) 08:20, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

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Misplaced Pages is a widely-used reference work and managing conflict of interest is essential for ensuring the integrity of Misplaced Pages and retaining the public's trust in it. As in academia, COI is managed here in two steps - disclosure and a form of peer review. Please note that there is no bar to being part of the Misplaced Pages community if you want to be involved in articles where you have a conflict of interest; there are just some things we ask you to do (and if you are paid, some things you need to do).

Disclosure is the most important, and first, step. While I am not asking you to disclose your identity (anonymity is strictly protecting by our WP:OUTING policy) would you please disclose if you have some connection with Swami Premananda, his ashram, or any of its affiliates? You can answer how ever you wish (giving personally identifying information or not), but if there is a connection, please disclose it. After you respond (and you can just reply below), perhaps we can talk a bit about editing Misplaced Pages, to give you some more orientation to how this place works. Please reply here - I am watching this page. Thanks! Jytdog (talk) 13:16, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

copying note left on my talk page here, to keep the thread together Jytdog (talk) 16:11, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello Jytdog. Thank you for your comments and queries. You have noted that thus far I have been solely interested in editing the page on Swami Premananda.I'd just like to say that I intend to branch out and have a go at editing some other topics soon. You ask whether I have any connection with Swami Premananda.Before I answer that question,I would like to discuss some issues concerning the neutrality of other editors of the page in question.I am just as concerned as you are in seeking to uphold objectivity in Misplaced Pages.To my mind, truth is of paramount importance and must be upheld whether or not we ourselves like that truth or not. Misplaced Pages should be a platform on which to spread facts,not distortions, half-truths and overt lies. I feel that other editors of this page (Kenfyre,for example) have a strong bias which prevents them from accepting or tolerating objective, factual statements on the Swami Premananda page.I would therefore like to formally request that if these individuals do have any affiliations with the Federation of Indian Rationalist Associations and/or any of its sub-divisions or affilated organisations, that they declare their position truthfully. What's sauce for the goose must also be sauce for the gander,as they say.Doughnutgirl (talk) 11:18, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies; we can talk about other editors at another time as this is a discussion about your relationships. Would you please answer the question? Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 16:13, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I met Swamiji in UK in 1984 and in India in 2010, and arrived at his ashram at the very time of his death under highly suspicious circumstances in 2011.Doughnutgirl (talk) 20:57, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for replying on point. Do you actually work in the ashram (said simply, does it provide your room and board and spending money)? Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 20:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

No, not at all. Sorry,I should have made a clearer statement.I was just visiting the ashram in 2011.I don't live there or work there. Doughnutgirl (talk) 09:14, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that. So you are a follower, then? Jytdog (talk) 12:09, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes.Doughnutgirl (talk) 16:15, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Quick note on the logistics of discussing things on Talk pages, which are essential for everything that happens here. In Talk page discussions, we "thread" comments by indenting - when you reply to someone, you put a colon ":" in front of your comment, and the WP software converts that into an indent; if the other person has indented once, then you indent twice by putting two colons "::" which the WP software converts into two indents, and when that gets ridiculous you reset back to the margin (or "outdent") by putting this {{od}} in front of your comment. Will reply on the substance in a second... Jytdog (talk) 18:02, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

OK, so this is a little complicated. Generally speaking, we draw distinctions in Misplaced Pages between "conflict of interest" (working on an article about your employer, or being a freelancer and editing Misplaced Pages articles for pay, for example), and what we call "advocacy" (say someone is is a vegetarian and believes that eating meat is evil and comes to Misplaced Pages to write about how great vegetarianism is, and all the ways eating meat is really, really bad). COI is a subset of advocacy; all advocates, whether they have a COI or not, tend to violate the WP:PROMO and NPOV policies because of some strong commitment they have to something in the real world. Sometimes this is on purpose, but most often it is not so much on purpose, but just the way the person sees the world. Where does being a follower of a swami fit in, within the field of advocacy? Pretty darn close I think to being a clearly definable external "interest" that creates a conflict with the obligation to following community policies and guidelines, here in Misplaced Pages. Do you understand what I'm talking about here, and see what I mean? In my view, we (including you) should maybe consider that you have a COI. What that would mean, is that we would ask you not to understand that you bring a very strong belief with you into Misplaced Pages, and that instead of editing content about Swami Premananda directly, you would offer up content on the Talk page of the relevant article for others to "peer review". Would you be willing to do that? Jytdog (talk) 18:11, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Stop patronising Doughnutgirl, Jytdog. You have a much bigger conflict of interest than she does. You are too obstinate to realize it, but you are using Psychological projection. MagneticMarcella (talk) 18:33, 14 April 2016 (UTC)