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I object to the link to Mad Scientist on this page. Milgram's experiments may have had ethical issues, but he certainly wasn't mad. If there are no objections, I will remove this link. Darksun 10:31, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Confusing

The page says: "He took a psychology course as an undergraduate at Queens College, New York, where he earned his Bachelor's degree in political science in 1954."

But http://www.stanleymilgram.com/facts.php says "Although Milgram was to become one of the most important psychologists of the 20th century, he never took a single psychology course as an undergraduate at Queens College, where he obtained his BA in Political Science." (retrieved 11:56 09 Sept 2009 (UTC)

also

"He applied to a Ph.D. program in social psychology at Harvard University and was initially rejected due to lack of psychology background. He was accepted in 1954 after taking six courses in psychology, and graduated with the Ph.D. in 1960."

could be expanded? the same reference gives:

"Rejected at first because he did not have any background in psychology, he was accepted provisionally after he took six psychology courses at three different New York-area schools in the summer of 1954." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.109.245.158 (talk) 00:03, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Mai Lai Massacre has nothing to do with Milgram's experiment

Who ever connected the My Lai Massacre to Milgram's experiment of disobedience is incorrect. The My Lai Massacre (1968) occurred five years after Milgram's experiment (1963). As i understand it, Milgram drew his inspiration from the trial and execution (1961-2) of Adolf Eichmann. Milgram speaks of Eichmann in "The Perils of Obedience" (section:"Duty Without Conflict", paragraph 16) as being an example of the agentic state that Milgram mentions in "TPoD." As an aside, milgram may have drawn a connection to the My Lai Massacre in Obedience to Authority, which was published in 1974. Moreover, Milgram may have indicated his intent to consider the authority training, et cetera, as an after-thought of sorts, but there is no connection between the experiment and the Massacre except for the implication of the experiment's results.

I am proposing a rework of certain sections of this page. Obedience of authority is indeed a subject that Milgram is concerned with but he is not the "be-all-and-end-all" of obedience authority. Indeed, Philip Zimbardo is a key psychologist concerning authoritarian structures, whether dispostional or situational. I propose renaming the section, obedience to authotity *experiment*. I can bring a wide range of expertise to this subject also.--Knucmo2 22:33, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

David Cesarani, a distinguished Holocaust historian, in his new book, "Becoming Eichmann," says that Milgram's initial experiments weren't inspired by the Eichmann case, although Milgram soon thereafter, in his publications, made the connection. --Christofurio 20:25, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

April, 2010 Repairing this mess after four years

In the wake of the My Lai Massacre, CBS television made special efforts to locate any of the soldiers who took part in the actual shooting. They located one troop who consented to appear on the CBS program 60 Minutes. Reporter Mike Wallace interviewed the young man. The troop admitted that, along with the rest of his platoon, at My Lai he shot women, children, and babies. Wallace asked him to confirm: babies? When Wallace discussed "responsibility" the youth might as well have READ VERBATIM the answers from published research of Dr. Stanley Milgram. My mouth dropped open because I had read Milgram's research papers in 1967 (and they influenced my decision when drafted).

Consequently and subsequently: when Milgram's book "Obedience to Authority" was published, in the back was a special Appendix. The appendix was a transcript of the 60 Minutes episode. THIS forgotten memory is why My Lai and Milgram are linked together in many American minds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.128.142.167 (talk) 18:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Yale not Harvard!

It is surprising and quite possibly galling that the Misplaced Pages entry for Stanley Milgram, one of the most influential psychologists of the 20th century, contains such a basic error as to locate his famous obedience experiments, not mention his early professorship, at Harvard University. The average Psych 001 student, not to mention the upperclassman who has taken a class in social psychology, is well be able localize Milgram's famous experiments, as his documentary film so clearly indicates, as occurring at Yale University, where Milgram was, not coincidentally, a member of the faculty during the mid-sixties.

What about the pointing experiment?

I'm trying to track down information on an experiment that was attributed to Milgram as far as I know. As it was recounted to me, the experiment involved a varying number of individuals stopping suddenly in the middle of a busy city and simultaneously looking upwards (at nothing in particular). My recollection is that when two seperate individuals did it, then a few people would look up to see what they were looking at, if five individuals did it, then a larger number of individuals would stop and 'join in' and at the ultimate - thirty-seven individuals supposedly did so, and they stopped traffic for half an hour as hundreds and hundreds of individuals stopped and joined in. Does anyone know anything further about this study? Thanks! Luke, Australia. 202.164.195.212 00:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)Luke

i really need to know more about this person

i really need to know more about this person this page needs more info to give so i can do my project better and easier ... added at 05:38, 22 April 2007) by 202.128.20.13

The library (with perhaps interlibrary loan system) is your friend. -- Hoary 05:53, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Jewish?

At the bottom of the page is categorizes Milgram as a "Jewish American scientist", I totally disagree that he is jewish unless someone can back this claim up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.84.113.41 (talk) 10:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

If he had a Bar Mitzvah. I think that one can safely deduce that he was Jewish. You can read about it in: Blass, Thomas (1998). "The Roots of Stanley Milgram's Obedience Experiments and Their Relevance to the Holocaust" (PDF). Analyse & Kritik. 20 (1). Wiesbaden: Westdeutscher Verlag: 49. ISSN 0171-5860. OCLC 66542890. Retrieved January 14, 2012. {{cite journal}}: Check |publisher= value (help), a citation that I added to the article. Peaceray (talk) 06:28, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Bad link

The link to Psychology Today points to wiki page describing a new magazine Psychology Today which is claimed to be written for the "mass audience of non-psychologists and tailored for a female readership".

The Psychology today is clearly not a scientific journal. Thus I do not believe that Milgram published in this magazine.

It looks like the journal "Psychology Today" is discontinued. Does any body know when?

Troelspedersen 07:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

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clarification required

This passage is dicey:

"The contestants were encouraged by the show's host, and by an unprimed studio audience, into giving near fatal electric shocks to another "contestant", on getting memorised word-associations wrong."

Really? Near fatal electric shocks? Or were they, as with Milgram's experiment, simply led to believe that the shocks were real? That needs to be spelled out, if it's the case, because otherwise the article is making an extremely serious charge. Bacrito (talk) 02:44, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Clarified. (→References in media: Clarifying that "near fatal electric shocks" were a deception to real contestants in Jusqu'où va la télé) Peaceray (talk) 05:59, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Subway experiment

I don't know all the experiments Milgram did but I know he did one in which researchers asked random people on the Brooklyn subway if they'd give up their seat (without giving an excuse), and most did. It's mentioned at http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/14/nyregion/14subway.html?pagewanted=all&position= I wonder if there are more experiments he did. It would be nice if this article were exhaustive. 184.144.166.80 (talk)

Other Work

This page really does need some work, I may come back later and try to spruce it up. This page makes it out that Milgrim's only influential work was the Obedience study which is certainly not the case. The 6 degrees between any two people or "6 degrees to Kevin Bacon" is related to work Milgrim and Travis also did in the 60s. They had people attempt to get a letter to a stranger by mailing the letter to someone they knew that was closer. Here's a citation: JonKush (talk) 00:04, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

1. Travers, J., & Milgram, S. (1969). An experimental study of the small world problem. �Sociometry, 32(4), 425-443.

Seems someone had just deleted most of the article, I reverted back to the last good version. JonKush (talk) 00:12, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View

In this article, the publication date is 1974. Of course there are later editions of the book, but I've also seen ones published in 1963 and 1969 online. Right now I'm not really sure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.246.160.155 (talk) 16:18, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Anyone working on Milgram articles?

Please see my comment of 5 September 2014 on the talk page of Milgram experiment. New info should be added there & likely here, too. Thanks, Hordaland (talk) 13:59, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Was it a pseudonym?

'Miles' means 'soldier' in latin, and 'gram' means 'grief' in German. Maybe this oddity hints to the real admonishment (sp?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.143.65.63 (talk) 08:20, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

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Photo of Dr. Stanley Milgram

It would be nice to have a photo of Dr. Stanley Milgram included in the article. I have tried to find a free one on the internet, but my efforts were to no avail. I found a good one, but don't believe it's free to use it here. https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2013/09/28/stanley-milgram-and-uncertainty-evil/qUjame9xApiKc6evtgQRqN/story.html My-wiki-photos (talk) 18:53, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

"No evidence he was a practicing Jew as an adult"

An editor deleted reference in the infobox to his being Jewish, writing "No evidence he was a practicing Jew as an adult" . That is not how the infobox works. There is ample reference to his being Jewish. And being Bar Mitzvahed. And to his Bar Mitzvah speech. And the impact of his being Jewish on his sensitivity to the Holocaust and his life's work. There is no support whatsoever for this editor deleting the information because of whether he was "practicing" (you aren't just Jewish if you "practice"), and to whether in specific he was "practicing" as an adult. The deleter even writes: "He was ethnically Jewish." There is no rule that this box is not to be used for "ethnically Jewish" Jews. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.102.168.8 (talk) 00:17, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Furthermore, Jews are clearly not -- as this editor simply makes up, with no support -- "just practicing Jews." Any more than Americans are just people who pledge allegiance to the US flag.

People born to Jewish mothers are Jewish. It is not just a religion. It is also an ethnicity.

As the article Jewish atheism on Misplaced Pages tells you, "Because Jewish identity encompasses ethnic as well as religious components, the term "Jewish atheism" does not inherently entail a contradiction. Based on Jewish law's emphasis on matrilineal descent, even religiously conservative Orthodox Jewish authorities would accept an atheist born to a Jewish mother as fully Jewish."

Look for example (this should make it obvious) at the long List of Jewish atheists and agnostics. If you were correct, on Misplaced Pages this could not exist.

Plus -- Milgram isn't even a Jewish atheist, but instead a fully Jewish fellow of Jewish parents who in his Bar Mitzvah speech spoke about the subject of the plight of the European Jews and the impact that World War II events would have on Jewish people around the world. As the source states: "The subject of his Bar Mitzvah speech was the plight of the European Jews and the changes the events of World War II meant for Jewish people everywhere: an early showing of Milgram’s feeling of connection with the Jewish people who were persecuted under Hitler."

Plus the other source --by the professor who was his biographer -- speaks of his "lifelong identification with the Jewish people." Lifelong. This is not rocket science.

The deletion is against the obvious fact that wikipedia accepts people who are Jewish atheists even as Jewish -- so clearly this editor is just making up his own rules that are not true, and fly in the face of how Misplaced Pages is edited. Let alone what it means to be Jewish.199.102.168.8 (talk) 01:40, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Jewish people are an ethnnic group; if they practice the religion, they are practicing Judaism. How can a non-practicing Jew be said to have a religion? That's absurd. And that's not "clear by all the other uses of this infobox on WP". Please don't claim something about Misplaced Pages that is simply not true. And please don't try to make up new rules for infoboxes. There are thousands of Misplaced Pages articles on Jews that do not have "Jewish" in the infobox as a religion. Some have it as "Ethnicity". One of the many examples: Zev Aelony, who grew up in a secular Jewish household; look at the infobox; no religion is listed; the ethnicity is Jewish. By contrast, look at Abram S. Isaacs, who was a practicing Jew. The religion in the infobox is "Judaism". Furthermore, Milgram'sBar Mitzvah is irrelevant to his religion as an adult; see WP:BLPCAT. Give us a reliable source that he practiced Judaism as an adult; not that he identified with Jewish culture, but that he practiced the religion of Judaism. Beyond the fact that you have added incorrect information, your edit has been challenged. Get consensus on the talk page before restoring it. Sundayclose (talk) 01:47, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Are you reading ANYTHING? Don't take my word for it. Read what I wrote. But click through. You seem to not have a clue what it means to be Jewish. You do not have to "practice" to be Jewish. You are born into it.

That is why we have List of Jewish atheists and agnostics -- in your non-wikipedia made-up view of the world, you could not have such a list, because you mistakenly think (make up) some false rule that one has to "practice" Judaism "as an adult" to be Jewish. But as the existence of this list on Misplaced Pages of Jewish atheists and agnostics says, and as the article "Jews" on Misplaced Pages says -- you are simply completely wrong.

Read the Misplaced Pages article Jews. Which says: "The Jews ... also known as the Jewish people, are an ethnoreligious group... Jewish ethnicity, nationhood and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation,... while its observance varies from strict observance to complete nonobservance."

And even after I started this talk page discussion -- without you responding to it, you continued to again delete. Do you know what that is? That is verboten. It is edit warring. And then you have the chutzpah to, after deleting without responding to the discussion, paste a stupid warning on my page? When you were the one deleting without engaging in conversation? And when you obviously (look at the List of Jewish atheists and agnostics) don't know what you are talking about?

What do you NOT understand about the wikipedia article statement I pointed you to that says "Based on Jewish law's emphasis on matrilineal descent, even religiously conservative Orthodox Jewish authorities would accept an atheist born to a Jewish mother as fully Jewish"???

And this guy's biographer said he had a LIFELONG identification with the Jewish people. Where the F are you coming from?

And wtf -- why do you refer, in an article about a DEAD person, to your (mistaken) understanding of a rule for LIVING PERSONS??

Are you a troll? Cut it out. When your arguments are clearly wrong, stop beating a dead horse. Otherwise, let's have an adminstrator review your deletions, made without responding to my talk page discussion, and in the face of all of this, and decide what to do.199.102.168.8 (talk) 02:05, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Consider this a warning not to make personal attacks on editors; comment on article content, not editors. I'll ask again: Give us a reliable source that he practiced Judaism as an adult; not that he identified with Jewish culture, but that he practiced Judaism. If you can't do that, there's nothing more for me to discuss here unless other editors express an opinion to establish consensus. Sundayclose (talk) 02:18, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Have you not read anything in the above? You seem unable or unwilling to understand that:

• As the article Jews on Misplaced Pages states -- "The Jews ... also known as the Jewish people, are an ethnoreligious group... Jewish ethnicity, nationhood and religion are strongly interrelated, as Judaism is the traditional faith of the Jewish nation,... while its observance varies from strict observance to complete nonobservance."

• As the article Jewish atheism on Misplaced Pages tells you --"Because Jewish identity encompasses ethnic as well as religious components, the term "Jewish atheism" does not inherently entail a contradiction. Based on Jewish law's emphasis on matrilineal descent, even religiously conservative Orthodox Jewish authorities would accept an atheist born to a Jewish mother as fully Jewish."

• The professor who was his biographer wrote of his "lifelong identification with the Jewish people."

• And his being Jewish was reflected even upon his becoming a man in the Jewish religion, as his Bar Mitzvah speech spoke about the subject of the plight of the European Jews and the impact that World War II events would have on Jewish people around the world, and was as the source states: an early showing of Milgram’s feeling of connection with the Jewish people who were persecuted under Hitler."

• You've not responded to any of this. Just repeatedly deleted, and made up personal rules that contradict all of this. Deleted also that he is a professor. And deleted also that he had 2 children. Without any reason, amazingly. You simply again and again deleted, in the face of all the above. Citing (fascinatingly) to your (mistaken) impression of a rule for articles on Living people .. while obviously this is a Dead person.199.102.168.8 (talk) 02:47, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Third and final request: Give us a reliable source that he practiced Judaism as an adult. Not that he identified with Jewish culture. Not that he was ethnically Jewish. Not that he was born to a Jewish mother. Not that he was considered Jewish by Jewish law. The only thing that matters for Misplaced Pages's purposes in categorizing his religion is that he practiced the religion of Judaism as an adult. Until you provide that, by Wikpedia's policies, he may have been ethnically Jewish but "Jewish" was not his religion. Rant all you want, but that's my final comment until you provide the source. And I remind you, in case you consider restoring your edit, there is no consensus of one person when an edit has been challenged. Feel free to follow all recommended actions suggested at WP:DR, but do not restore your edit without a consensus here. Sundayclose (talk) 02:57, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Read the above.

There is no requirement that he practice Judaism as an adult.

I've supplied evidence from top sources that he was Jewish, born to Jewish parents, had a Bar Mitzvah, and identified as Jewish "lifelong."

Read Jews.

Read Jewish atheism.

Read List of Jewish atheists and agnostics.

Explain why you again deleted material supporting this even after I added sourcing of his lifelong identification as Jewish.

Explain why you again deleted material as to him being a Professor, without reason,.

Explain why you again deleted material as to him having two children, without reason.

Explain why -- after talk page discussion was opened -- you again deleted ... without yourself replying on the talk page.

Explain why all the above is wrong, and your made-up standard that you have not supplied support for is correct and something more than one editor's made-up view that is at odds with wikipedia articles as can be clearly seen above by these footnotes and Misplaced Pages articles?

Furthermore, as the article now also reflects, Author Kirsten Fermaglich wrote that Milgram as an adult had "a personal conflict as a Jewish man who perceived himself both as an outsider, a victim of the Nazi destruction, and as an insider, as scientist." His wife Alexandra stated that Milgram's Jewish identity led to his focus on the Holocaust and his obedience-to-authority research. And Herbert Winer, one of his obedience study subjects, noted after speaking to Milgram about the experiment that "Milgram was very Jewish. I was Jewish. We talked about this. There was obviously a motive behind neutral research."

There is simply no rationale basis for your Three repeated deletions. The last of which is here.

199.102.168.8 (talk) 03:05, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Coming from WT:JUDAISM. The problem is that the Template:Infobox person doesn't have an "ethnicity" parameter, otherwise this could be resolved quickly and painlessly. As it is, "Jewish" is a mix of religion, culture and ethnicity. You are both correct, but Sundayclose is more right, because the religion paramter is specific about religion. Being Jewish and even having had a bar mitzvah, is not yet proof of being religiously Jewish. However, if there are sources that he went to a synagogue (temple), that might be able to tip the scales. Debresser (talk) 07:23, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

A claim of religious membership must be cited to be valid. It's not simple or even possible to use religious rules to divine this because the argument then becomes which one? For example, the 'Judaism passes from mother' claim is a religious rule, but an effective argument could fill pages here that a majority of articles on people now identified as Jewish should be moved to the Mormon category due to the active post-mortem conversion project Baptism for the dead and many could be just as vehement in their claim the people are now only Mormon, with plenty of published material to cite. It's a waste of administrative time and becomes a shouting contest. Please only publish what you can cite. Lexlex (talk) 10:20, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

If the dead person communicated from beyond that they agree with the baptism, then 100%, put Mormon as the religion. I can't claim that YOU are a member of my religion by my own doing. This is far different than Milgram being Jewish and never doing anything to deny it. Sir Joseph 20:16, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

• He was Jewish. Whether he practiced his religion or not, is irrelevant. The infobox is not whether he's a practicing Jew, it's whether he's Jewish. It is known he was Jewish. That is the whole reason for his experiments. He wanted to know how people can just go along with authority and how they killed his relatives in the Holocaust. Sir Joseph 13:50, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Religious rationale is not generally considered a reliable source. See WP:Citing sources/Bible for more background. Lexlex (talk) 14:44, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

@Debresser: Actually, the "Ethnicity" parameter will work for Template:Infobox person. See the example of Zev Aelony that I mentioned earlier in this discussion. But if I understand anon 199's point of view (based on his edit summary that the Religion parameter is "not for 'practicing' Jews or 'Jews practicing as adults'"), even if an ethnicity parameter is available, Milgram should be classified as Jewish as his religion, even though so far there is no evidence that he practiced Judaism as an adult. Sundayclose (talk) 22:09, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Since when does someone have to practice Judaism to be Jewish? If someone doesn't go to church, do they stop being Christian? If a non-practicing Jew wants to put on ] will we stop him? It's disgusting for editors to decide that in order to be labeled as a Jew, the person has to practice his religion. That is not how it goes. Sir Joseph 17:13, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

OK. I added "ethnicity = Jewish". I hope everyone will be happy now. Wishing you all a happy Passover, -- -- -- 17:06, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

@-- -- --: Thank you. Sundayclose (talk) 19:48, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

How does that solve anything? His religion is Jewish and that is what it should show. Sir Joseph 17:19, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

• The article already contains sources that he was Jewish. https://books.google.com/books?id=KHgWLPas4bYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=%22stanley+milgram%22+jewish&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU2Nbj4JnMAhWGcj4KHZNhDSEQ6AEIUjAK#v=onepage&q=%22stanley%20milgram%22%20jewish&f=false Page 8, Page 255, https://books.google.com/books?id=31JEAHwiZ_EC&pg=PA100&dq=%22stanley+milgram%22+jewish&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU2Nbj4JnMAhWGcj4KHZNhDSEQ6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=%22stanley%20milgram%22%20jewish&f=false Page 100 and both sources contain other references as well. It is ludicrous that the religion was deleted. Sir Joseph 17:18, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

@Sir Joseph: I don't want to insult your intelligence, but do you understand that someone can be ethnically Jewish and not identify with any religion? Do you understand the difference between Jewish ethnicity and Judaism? Sundayclose (talk) 19:46, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

That could very well be, but that's not the case. Read the sources. Someone who had a bar-mitzvah is not just an ethnic Jew, he's a member of the Jewish religion. You don't need to practice the religion to be a part of the religion, and reading the sources provided shows that it wasn't just an ethnicity to him but a religion and something important in his life, not just something he was born with. Sir Joseph 19:49, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

"You don't need to practice the religion to be a part of the religion.": That may be true according to the religion, but it is not Misplaced Pages's standard for indicating that someone is a part of a religion. Misplaced Pages requires evidence that the person practices the religion as an adult, not just for Judaism but for any religion. William J. Murray, son of famed atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair, identified with atheism until he became an adult, at which time he became a Christian. Why can't Misplaced Pages identify him as an atheist; after all, he grew up as an atheist? And please address the issue raised by Lexlex above. Why don't we refer to all Jews who have received Baptism for the dead as Mormons? We need clear evidence that he practiced Judaism as an adult to identify his religion as Judasim (or "Jewish"). Sundayclose (talk) 19:59, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

With that, you are wrong. It is not up to Misplaced Pages to determine what religion a person belongs to. And as far as Mormons, they reached an agreement to stop doing that to Jews, and in addition, while the Mormons may say that you are now a Mormon, that has no bearing on what YOU say. Milgram never denied his Jewishness. If he had, then I would agree that he should not be marked Jewish. But he did no such thing, so we have the fact that he's Jewish and as per himself, and the criteria, he should have Jewish in his infobox. It is not up to Misplaced Pages to determine what a religion's criteria is. Sir Joseph 20:14, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

• "he's Jewish and as per himself: He was ethnically Jewish per himself. We have no evidence that he identified himself as having any religion as an adult; thus so far we have no evidence that he was religiously Jewish (i.e., Judaism) per himself. Again, do you understand that when someone says he is Jewish in reference to his ethnicity, that does not mean he is identifying himself with the "Jewish" religion? If I grew up in a secular Jewish household that never did anything to practice the religion of Judaism, I can call myself "Jewish" ethnically, but not Jewish religiously.
• "It is not up to Misplaced Pages to determine what religion a person belongs to": It is up to Misplaced Pages editors to provide a reliable source for information added to an article, especially personal information such as religion. Verifiability is a cornerstone policy of Misplaced Pages. In fact, everything on Misplaced Pages is subject to that policy. And again there is no source that Milgram practiced Judaism as an adult.
• As for the Mormon issue, what about those who have already received post-mortem baptism? Lots of Mormons would tell you that they are Mormons. So why can't we identify them as Mormons?
• You did not address my point about William J. Murray. Why can't Misplaced Pages identify him as atheist since at one time in his life he identified himself as atheist? Sundayclose (talk) 20:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

• As I wrote above, if the dead person can somehow communicate and agree with the Mormon conversion, then put it in. Until then, it is person X saying what religion person Y is a member of. In this case, we don't have that. We have the fact that Milgram is Jewish, has celebrated religious rituals and never denounced it. He never said "I'm not Jewish." After his bar mitzvah he gave a speech, which is sourced. Never in adulthood did he denounce his religion and indeed, if you read the sources, his religion played a part in his adult life, choosing what subject area to do his testing on, etc. Sir Joseph 20:51, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

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