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| Hello, I'm fairly new to Misplaced Pages, so I don't really know where else to ask you this question. You reverted my Get Off You Ass and Jam/Paul Warren edit. You say Paul Warren's claim isn't credible. Why's that? He's a well known guitarist and has nothing to gain from the claim... AND his claim matches up perfectly with George Clinton's claim that he paid the guitarist 50 dollars. Warren told the story to Vintage Guitar magazine years before Clinton's autobiography came out with his version of the story in it. | Hello, I'm fairly new to Misplaced Pages, so I don't really know where else to ask you this question. You reverted my Get Off You Ass and Jam/Paul Warren edit. You say Paul Warren's claim isn't credible. Why's that? He's a well known guitarist and has nothing to gain from the claim... AND his claim matches up perfectly with George Clinton's claim that he paid the guitarist 50 dollars. Warren told the story to Vintage Guitar magazine years before Clinton's autobiography came out with his version of the story in it. | ||
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| :Hi ], and welcome to Misplaced Pages. What I wrote was that "Warren's own claims aren't credible". I should have continued, adding that a ] was necessary. We generally don't assume that individuals' claims about themselves are true, especially when they can be seen as self-serving. See ]. | |||
| :I've seen Clinton's version of the story—that an unknown white guitarist played the solo for $20 and was never heard from again—in different sources over the course of more than 30 years. But I don't know how many of the sources were truly independent of one another; had they read the same original Clinton interview I had, or a subsequent story that cited it, and repeated the story, or was there any corroboration? Clinton repeated the story in his 2014 memoirs, ''Brothas Be, Yo Like George, Ain't That Funkin' Kinda Hard on You?'', but I noticed that the fee had increased to $25 and now George boasted he had paid the guy $50—which was no small sum in 1974. | |||
| :After I reverted your edit and restored one of your sources, I started Googling Paul Warren and found a 2009 interview that repeats Warren's account (perhaps the article to which you refer). I also found that for a decade, in dozens of message boards and forums, people have been saying that Warren played the solo. Even though they are not considered ] on Misplaced Pages, as an editor I don't feel I can ignore them either. | |||
| :As you wrote your message to me, I was preparing to change the article about "]" to document the two competing accounts of the guitar solo. (That's what we typically do when reliable sources don't agree—describe the disagreement.) By the way, Clinton says the guitarist isn't credited on the album (because no one knew his name), but Warren ''is'' credited as a guest musician on '']'', which further complicates this matter. | |||
| :Please forgive this overlong reply. Thank you. — ] <sup>]</sup>/<sub>]</sub> 02:12, 11 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
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File:Star Ocean First Departure.jpg
Shall I have the image undeleted? Therefore, I can replace the Super Famicom front cover with this one... if Judgesurreal777 agrees. George Ho (talk) 06:05, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hi George Ho. I'm no longer an administrator, so I have no idea what File:Star Ocean First Departure.jpg looked like or who asked for me to delete it. Do whatever you think is best. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 22:34, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Request_block_of_User:Caseeart
Is your header off at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Request_block_of_User:Caseeart? The discussion is not related to the EM Gregory other than the fact that all the editors edit in the IP space. If it is intended to be a separate section, please adjust. If not, I will likely collapse it as an irrelevant distraction to the EM Gregory issues. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 07:29, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Ricky81682. I uncollapsed the discussion and promoted it a level. While it has nothing to do with E.M.Gregory, it was clearly related to the discussion that Caseeart hijacked and tried to turn into a discussion about me -- notwithstanding the fact that they had been warned to drop the stick or risk BOOMERANG. — MShabazz /Stalk 10:45, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Paul Warren edit
Hello, I'm fairly new to Misplaced Pages, so I don't really know where else to ask you this question. You reverted my Get Off You Ass and Jam/Paul Warren edit. You say Paul Warren's claim isn't credible. Why's that? He's a well known guitarist and has nothing to gain from the claim... AND his claim matches up perfectly with George Clinton's claim that he paid the guitarist 50 dollars. Warren told the story to Vintage Guitar magazine years before Clinton's autobiography came out with his version of the story in it. Bzzzing (talk) 01:48, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Bzzzing, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. What I wrote was that "Warren's own claims aren't credible". I should have continued, adding that a secondary source was necessary. We generally don't assume that individuals' claims about themselves are true, especially when they can be seen as self-serving. See WP:SELFSOURCE.
- I've seen Clinton's version of the story—that an unknown white guitarist played the solo for $20 and was never heard from again—in different sources over the course of more than 30 years. But I don't know how many of the sources were truly independent of one another; had they read the same original Clinton interview I had, or a subsequent story that cited it, and repeated the story, or was there any corroboration? Clinton repeated the story in his 2014 memoirs, Brothas Be, Yo Like George, Ain't That Funkin' Kinda Hard on You?, but I noticed that the fee had increased to $25 and now George boasted he had paid the guy $50—which was no small sum in 1974.
- After I reverted your edit and restored one of your sources, I started Googling Paul Warren and found a 2009 Vintage Guitar interview that repeats Warren's account (perhaps the article to which you refer). I also found that for a decade, in dozens of message boards and forums, people have been saying that Warren played the solo. Even though they are not considered reliable sources on Misplaced Pages, as an editor I don't feel I can ignore them either.
- As you wrote your message to me, I was preparing to change the article about "Get Off Your Ass and Jam" to document the two competing accounts of the guitar solo. (That's what we typically do when reliable sources don't agree—describe the disagreement.) By the way, Clinton says the guitarist isn't credited on the album (because no one knew his name), but Warren is credited as a guest musician on Let's Take It to the Stage, which further complicates this matter.
- Please forgive this overlong reply. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 02:12, 11 May 2016 (UTC)