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- A criminal investigation is launched by the New Hampshire attorney general against law enforcement officials after news footage showed Massachusetts/New Hampshire police appear to beat a man who was surrendering at the end of a bi-state car chase. (Washington Post via MSN)
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Dilma Rousseff suspended
Articles: Impeachment process against Dilma Rousseff (talk · history · tag) and Dilma Rousseff (talk · history · tag) Blurb: President of Brazil Dilma Rousseff (pictured) is suspended after both houses of the National Congress vote to impeach her. (Post) Alternative blurb: President of Brazil Dilma Rousseff (pictured) is suspended after the Senate votes to open an impeachment process against her. Alternative blurb II: President of Brazil Dilma Rousseff (pictured) is suspended after both houses of the National Congress vote to begin an impeachment trial against her. News source(s): BBC Credits:
Nominator's comments: This was nominated when the lower house voted for it, but consensus was to wait until the Senate voted. And now it has. Smurrayinchester 09:57, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- I believe she is suspended for 180 days(which is when the trial is supposed to occur). 331dot (talk) 11:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- PS: Our impeachment article says flatly that Rousseff "was impeached" by the Chamber of Deputies" on April 17, and AP headlines it "Senate impeaches president." However, BBC makes it "to face impeachment trial," Reuters refers only to "her suspension," and the Guardian confines itself to "stripped of duties." Suspended does seem the best choice. Sca (talk) 15:25, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Maybe it is different in Brazil but in the US impeachment is the House vote to refer charges to the Senate, and the Senate holds a trial to decide whether or not to remove the impeached official; in Brazil it seems that both the House and Senate must vote to impeach and then the Senate holds a trial. The trial isn't part of the impeachment process; that is how the trial starts. 331dot (talk) 15:33, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- It must be noted that the correct wording is "Impeached". She has been impeached. Being impeached means "being put on trial to decide if we want to remove her from office or not". Impeachment is NOT the removal itself, impeachment is the indictment. In the U.S., both Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were actually impeached. They were just never convicted, so never removed from office. --Jayron32 15:42, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- According to the legal scholars in the NYTimes article cited above, she isn't "impeached", as the Brazilian's define it, unless she is convicted and permanently removed from office. You are right that the US concept of "impeachment" is different, and applies essentially when a President is indicted, but that's not how the Brazilians use the term. Dragons flight (talk) 15:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Anyone speak Portuguese? What verb do the Brazilian media use? This one refers to processo de impeachment. Sca (talk) 16:00, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support Original Blurb we don't need an overlong headline to explain that this is a process, not a conclusion, and the "suspended" part makes that quite clear. FYI, You can say impeachment or impedimento if you are google the news. μηδείς (talk) 16:20, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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- The head of Bangladesh’s largest Islamist party, Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami, Motiur Rahman Nizami, is executed for his alleged role in acts of genocide and war crimes 45 years ago during the independence war against Pakistan in 1971. Nizami is the fifth senior opposition leader to be executed in connection with the war; a total of 17 people have received the death penalty. Authorities prepare for possibly violent protests. (AP via The Washington Post) (Vice News) (The New York Times)
- Amnesty International reports that this year at least 149 have died, including children, in a military detention center, Giwa barracks, in Maiduguri, Nigeria. (VOA News) (Amnesty)
- West Fertilizer Company explosion
- German Justice Minister Heiko Maas says he will propose legislation to annul homosexuality convictions, and create a “right to compensation.” A 19th-century law outlawed sexual relations between men. Homosexuality was decriminalized in 1969, but the law itself was not rescinded until 1994. (AP via The Washington Post) (Deutsche Welle)
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Same-sex civil unions in Italy
Article: Recognition of same-sex unions in Italy (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Italian Parliament approves same-sex civil unions (Post) News source(s): The New York Times, The Guardian, Reuters Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: "Italy has become the last major western country to legally recognise same-sex relationships" (The Guardian) Jaqen (talk) 22:10, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose The target article has referencing issues right now. The entire first block of the "History" section has zero refs (where does all this information come from?). Also, the Italian Parliament article shouldn't be bolded. It doesn't contain any information about the event (nor probably should it, being an overview of the body, and inapporpriate for highlighting one piece of information). If we can clean up the referencing, this would be a fine article for the main page. --Jayron32 00:28, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose, being the last "major western country" to do that is more like trivia, unlike the first country or the last country in the world. And picking just western countries is rather a geographical bias. Brandmeister 07:08, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak support Although this is fairly routine at this point,
and it wasn't done in an interesting way (unlike Ireland, where it was done by referendum, or USA, where it was a court decision), this is Italy, where the Church still has massive sway over social politics. Given how thoroughly the Italian Parliament rejected similar bills even just a few years ago, I'm surprised this happened so soon. By the way, I don't think Italy is the last major Western country to approve same-sex unions. Certainly, Poland is still missing (and you can quibble about whether some other Eastern European states count as major), and by the modern definition of the West, South Korea and Japan are too. Last in Western Europe, perhaps. Smurrayinchester 09:17, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Actually, it was attached as a kind of rider to a vote of confidence in Matteo Renzi, so that's quite interesting. Smurrayinchester 09:52, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Strong support. The news is - if possible - even more relevant than last years's Republic of Ireland's referendum on same sex marriage, because Italy hosts the Vatican which has always opposed any regulation of whatsoever (either etero- or homosexual) partnership different than marriage, and because Italian politicians have been for years (and in some way some still are) prone to listen to Vatican's diktats on ethic issues. In political terms a wall has been torn down. -- SERGIO aka the Black Cat 09:44, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak support per TRM and Blackcat, since it is Italy. 331dot (talk) 09:56, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. A nice development to this ongoing international shift in social attitudes, but at this stage I just don't think we can justify posting every nation that legalises same-sex marriage. Nor do I see any particular reason to single out Italy - yes it's a religious western country, but so what? Additional interest in western countries is just systemic bias, and there are plenty of other religious places. Now if Vatican City or Saudi Arabia were to do this it would be a different matter... Modest Genius 11:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Why can't we post every nation that legalizes same-sex marriage? It's not something that happens often, and it's also something that happens only once. Banedon (talk) 15:08, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak oppose per Modest Genius.--WaltCip (talk) 12:15, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose late to the party. I think now we're at the stage where it would require Uganda, Iran or Saudi Arabia to legalise gay marriage to truly make our heads turn. Even among European countries, Italy is not religious conservatism's "best horse", that title would go to Poland '''tAD''' (talk) 15:21, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose we didn't post it three years ago when France instituted full-blown gay marriage. At some point we're just checking of a list. μηδείς (talk) 16:24, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
RD: Tony Cozier
Article: Tony Cozier (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) Credits:
Article needs updating Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: One of the greatest cricket commentators. 59.93.230.123 (talk) 16:44, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose right now, for one of the greatest commentators (and I agree), his article is way below the standard we need, it's barely above a stub. I'll see if I can get some time to look into fixing it, like John Warr. 18:10, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support on expansion. He was top of his field of cricket commentary and near the top in cricket writing so I would support this nomination even if the trial removal of the importance criteria were not ongoing. The article doesn't seem to have any major problems, it's just lacking in depth. Thryduulf (talk) 19:57, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose Per Thryduulf, this lacks depth in the way that a puddle lacks the depth to float a cruise ship. The article is marginally above a stub. Placing an article on the main page is telling people we have enough good information on a topic to make it worth their while to read it. This, is not up to that standard. He may be a legendary commentator and writer, but if that were true, there would be more to say than 2 short paragraphs on his legendary commentating career and one sentence on his legendary writing career. I would support this in a heartbeat if I could read about the full breadth of his career. --Jayron32 00:32, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- "Lacks depth in the way that a puddle lacks the depth to float a cruise ship" - Jayron32, I assume you won't mind if I lift that simile for writing my novel.--WaltCip (talk) 12:16, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
- A thank you in the acknowledgements page is all I ask... --Jayron32 14:26, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Baghdad bombing
Article: 11 May 2016 Baghdad bombing (talk · history · tag) Blurb: A truck bombing in Baghdad kills at least 62 people. (Post) Alternative blurb: A series of bombings in Baghdad kill at least 93 people and injure more than 165. News source(s): WSJ, BBC, CBS News (CNN) (NY Times), AP Credits:
Nominator's comments: Death toll looks high even for Iraqi bombings. Brandmeister 16:14, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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- At least 50 are killed in flooding and landslides triggered by heavy rains in Ethiopia. (FOX News)
- 2016 Fort McMurray wildfire
- Alberta authorities update information about the fire. About 2,400 homes and buildings were destroyed, but firefighters saved 25,000 others in the city, including the hospital, municipal buildings, and every functioning school. They expect most of the 88,000 evacuees will return to their homes within two weeks. The fire, which has merged with another blaze, is about 884 square miles (2,090 square kilometers) in size. The majority of Canada's oil sands industry, and a third of the country's total oil output, is offline, though Shell Canada has restarted its Albian Sands mining operations. (AP)
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RD or blurb: Motiur Rahman Nizami
Article: Motiur Rahman Nizami (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination Blurb: Bangladeshi politician Motiur Rahman Nizami is hanged after being convicted of war crimes during the 1971 Bangladesh Liberation War. (Post) News source(s): (Al Jazeera), BBC Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Jenda H. (talk) 18:55, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose plenty of unreferenced sentences in there. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:43, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Strong support – highly notable execution with political ramifications. Baking Soda (talk) 00:12, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. Is the story here the death itself or the event? I would concede that this likely would merit posting either way, but I don't think we should be using the trial RD process to slip in events that really should be a blurb(and get the regular discussion process). 331dot (talk) 00:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Quite so, I have added a blurb to test the water. The Rambling Man (talk) 04:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Although he had been sentenced to death for both, the article suggests that he was executed for the 1971 war crimes charge, and not the later arms trafficking one. Laura Jamieson (talk) 09:37, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Mea culpa, feel free to amend the blurb. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:38, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Done, if a little wordy. Laura Jamieson (talk) 09:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support blurb / oppose RD - the story here is the execution of a prominent politician, RD is for when the death of a notable person is the whole story. Thryduulf (talk) 09:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose for now based on the quality issues TRM has noted; there are plenty of statements which could be contentious which are not clearly cited to a reliable source. Would be blurb for this one, for the reasons Thryduulf notes; the story here is the trial and execution, not merely the death. --Jayron32 10:40, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Strong support for either blurb or RD. 174.95.4.78 (talk) 13:04, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment - I'd like to support this for a blurb, as it is both unusual and notable. But as noted, the start-class article on the subject has issues. It's also a topic area I don't know much about. Jusdafax 03:00, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
RD: Kang Young-hoon
Article: Kang Young-hoon (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): KBS World Radio, The Korea Herald, The Korea Times Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Former South Korean PM (1988-90). Led first direct PM talks with North Korea. Fuebaey (talk) 18:27, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Weak support For such a high-level leader, I would expect a longer article, but the article is minimally comprehensive, and fully referenced to reliable sources. --Jayron32 18:30, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose Changing my vote based on discussion below. I had been supporting this, but the closer look that Fuebaey has made me take in the article has changed my mind; the article is too highly flawed and incomplete to direct readers to. If someone were to fill out the vast missing areas from his life's work, I would change my vote back. --Jayron32 16:36, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Weak support per Jayron. The basics are there, and cited, but it's hardly sparkling. Could use some expansion, let's hope Fuebaey can do that so we can post this. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:44, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
This has long since ceased to be productive.--WaltCip (talk) 20:15, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Sorry, unless there's something specific that I have overlooked I can't possibly fix something as vague as "minimally comprehensive". Although, if it only takes someone three minutes to write a comprehensive review then perhaps you're looking in the wrong direction for expansion expertise. Fuebaey (talk) 21:38, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, I said "weak support"? I also suggested you could expand the article a little (just as Jayron had alluded to) since you had shown enough interest in the subject to nominate it. If you aren't going to do anything about it, fine. I'm sure another admin can judge it on its merits (and post it if appropriate). The Rambling Man (talk) 04:53, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Sure, if you want a model for the level of comprehensiveness one would expect of the leader of his nation, take a look at Michel Rocard, a person who held an equivalent position, in a different country, at the same time period as PM Kang did. While that article has a few issues as well (mostly a few referencing issues), surely a high-level politician who held the highest office in his country, must be worthy of more than a page of text to describe his entire life's work and history? The article we have now on Kang is minimal. --Jayron32 10:37, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- The Rambling Man: Yes, I can read. I'm not sure why you're being so defensive at my request for a more informative review.
- Not at all, in any case it seems that Thryduulf may have been more informative. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:39, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Jayron32: The thing is you're comparing the French prime minister (head of gov) with the South Korean prime minister (not head of gov). If you want to standardise articles like that it's unlikely that we'd have posted Young onto RD yesterday or any Asian/African/Latin political leader for that matter. What I was hoping for was if you could actually point out missing aspects of his life (does the article lack a ministerial post?), or whether a specific quote was missing a citation, or tag and discuss like Thryduulf did below. I'd prefer that to article padding. Fuebaey (talk) 13:27, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- It doesn't need, of course, to be anywhere near that long. But I was just pointing out how lacking the current article is. Surely, there's more than can be said about his political career and early life than what currently exists in the article. ITN exists to inform readers with well-written articles, not merely just make announcements. --Jayron32 14:05, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Um, no offense, but I don't think you understand what helpful criticism is to an editor. While I'm not expecting DYK/GA/FA style reviews, hand-waving is as about as useful as saying "there's a problem, I just don't know what it is". Fuebaey (talk) 14:30, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- The section on Political Career mentions almost NOTHING before he was appointed PM. It gives no prior posts, and only a cursory mention of some events in 1961, some 27 years before his premiership. Are you saying the man did NOTHING in public life for 27 years, and then suddenly got appointed PM out of the blue? What prior posts did he hold? What actions did he take in those posts? The section on his post political life lists only an honorary knighting in 1995 and his death in 2016. So, you want specifics, here's specifics: We have, in the article a range of dates that indicates he was a public persona from 1961 until his death in 2016. Currently, his biography only covers events from a few brief windows of that time period. Even the section on his premiership has massive holes: one would expect a high-level official would be regularly in the news, and yet we only have the following events 1) an uprising in "Spring 1989", and some meetings with North Koreans in September-December 1990. Did he do nothing else to attract attention during the rest of his premiership? The biography should be a summation of his career; this one has giant holes which make it look like a bunch of random unconnected events based on whenever anyone who wandered by decided to add a random fact. You want specific things to flesh out, how about everything between 1961-1988, between his appointment to spring 1989, from spring 1989-september 1990, and since his ouster in December 1990. That's what's missing. --Jayron32 16:34, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- And to be fair, if you're prepared to nominate it, at least do some work on it. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:11, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- When someone cares to define "work", by all means. I can't subjectively mind-read. What's unfair is that you've assumed that I don't/won't edit articles, and a simple glance at this nominated article makes your accusation look awfully hollow. Besides, unless you can point to that consensus, I'm not going to be changing my nomination procedure to satisfy your own personal opinion. Fuebaey (talk) 19:07, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, I don't really care, I'm not expecting you to do or say anything, but if you're that bothered, please actually present something we can post, even in this trial period where it really couldn't be easier. I couldn't care less in fact. Your hollow nomination(s) need your attention, or else we'll start to treat them as flippant and disruptive. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:11, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Tis a bit sad that you don't care about improving articles, but if you'd prefer to treat "my nominations" as disruptive please understand that you don't have to respond to them. Fuebaey (talk) 20:08, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks, that's all I wanted to know. I apologise if I hit a nerve; my goal was for more detail, not to piss you off. I respect that some here expect "high quality" articles without clicking the article edit button, and I don't anticipate that changing. However, if you expect myself or another nominator/editor/interested party to improve it, a superficial review (like the drive-by !vote) is not the most efficient method to elicit a positive response. Fuebaey (talk) 19:07, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Oppose on quality - I've just had to add an orange tag as the lead section has left me very confused. See the article talk page. Thryduulf (talk) 10:03, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I've expanded the article a fair bit. I don't expect this to be posted, given the heat and general lack of interest, but in case anyone is (or would like to point out more problems), feel free to read. Fuebaey (talk) 14:51, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
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RD: Chuck Curtis
Article: Chuck Curtis (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Star-Telegram Credits:
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: A great American football coach. George Ho (talk) 18:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
RD: John Warr
Article: John Warr (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Cricket Country Telegraph Credits:
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: One of notable English cricketers, although not highly important. George Ho (talk) 18:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Oppose article is too short. Barely more than a paragraph summarizing his entire personal life, career, and biography is far to cursory for inclusion on the main page as a target link. --Jayron32 18:19, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Oppose per Jayron. Please work on some of these nominations before adding more. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:48, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- I added some references. I don't know why expansion is necessary for a lesser known personality. George Ho (talk) 20:51, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment @George Ho: Expansion is most needed for lesser known personalities, as the article needs to inform readers about the entirety of the life of a person they probably have not heard of, it needs to be well and comprehensively referenced so we are not spreading misinformation. The lesser known a person is, the less likely it is that a reader will recognise an error in our article and the more likely that Misplaced Pages will be used as the primary or only source for journalists writing obituaries leading to a higher chance than normal of circular referencing. Thryduulf (talk) 10:13, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Not to mention that I have already found at least one unreferenced claim, and one error. We need to do better. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:45, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I've now taken the time to expand the article a little bit beyond when it was prematurely nominated. I think it's quite a bit more comprehensive and hopefully now error-free. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:53, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Posted — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Post-posting Weak support. Thanks to TRM for putting in some work to expand this beyond the stub phase. --Jayron32 20:19, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
RD: Comply or Die
We aren't going to put a horse in RD. And please don't ask me what specific policy says "no horses in RD", because it will cause me to beat my head against a brick wall for several minutes. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Article: Comply or Die (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Sky Sports Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: A stellar racehorse if you ask me. George Ho (talk) 18:05, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose article is not extensive enough for inclusion on main page. A large stub. A comprehensive biography, with all race results, and a prose biography of his whole life, would be useful. --Jayron32 18:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose per Jayron. Please work on some of these nominations before adding more. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Question: Wasn't there a decision some time ago that RD is limited to humans? At a minimum, perhaps "importance is no longer required" should not necessarily be applied uncritically in that context. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:45, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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RD: Walther Leisler Kiep
Article: Walther Leisler Kiep (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Tagesschau Credits:
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Might or might not meet notability criteria. Probably not. But the article is pretty good, might be nice to have a GA in the ITN box for a change... Zwerg Nase (talk) 17:04, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support article is GA quality, which is good enough for the main page. --Jayron32 18:13, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support much rather a GA article in the recent deaths rather than the usual bare-boned articles which receive a splash of paint after the subject's death. Sure this man was not a holder of one of Germany's top offices, but we posted Charles Kennedy for the basis of a long career in politics. '''tAD''' (talk) 18:51, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Oppose As long as we're still using the RD criteria, let's use them. He doesn't seem to be sufficiently important, and article quality is not a factor in his favor. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:53, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- FYI Note that this article likely meets the new, temporary criteria described in the ambox here: Misplaced Pages:In the news#Recent deaths section. For the next month, ITN/C won't be evaluating the "importance" of someone when deciding whether to include them in RD or not, just on (a) being in the news, and (b) article quality. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:07, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support per Floquenbeam. GA quality is definitely sufficient to post. Mamyles (talk) 20:16, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Posted per the trial. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:03, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Philippine presidential election
Consensus is to wait for the official confirmation. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Article: Philippine presidential election, 2016 (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Rodrigo Duterte (pictured) is elected President of the Philippines. (Post) News source(s): BBC News, CBS News, The Guardian Credits:
Article needs updating The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: Unofficial estimate. Awaiting official confirmation in the next 24 hours. Article needs updating after that. Fuebaey (talk) 13:44, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Wait until official, but then I'll support. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:13, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Wait until official. See you in a month. –HTD 16:08, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Tentative support, but only post once properly declared as the winner. Narutolovehinata5 00:08, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment I didn't realise the Philippine system requires Congress to declare before the vote becomes official, else I wouldn't have prematurely nominated this. Having said that, his two main rivals have conceded - making him de-facto president-elect - and this item is currently in the news. The only thing that is missing is a paragraph describing this. If consensus is to post now I'll write something up, but if it is still to wait till June, I'll leave it. Fuebaey (talk) 12:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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Transit of Mercury
Article: Transit of Mercury (talk · history · tag) Blurb: The planet Mercury transits the Sun (pictured). (Post) Alternative blurb: A transit of Mercury (pictured) occurs, visible from Africa, the Americas, Europe and most of Asia. News source(s): BBC, Daily Mail, New York Times Credits:
Nominator's comments: Rare event (next one in 2019, then 2032). Probably better photos available soon when NASA uploads. Smurrayinchester 13:36, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. I'm all for science noms, but is there anything special about this transit? Other than it being the only one in the next three years? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:11, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Not particularly (although having 3 years between transits is an unusually short interval - the last was in 2006, so a decade ago, and the average gap is about 8 years), but there's nothing special about individual eclipses either (which are much more common). Moon crosses sun, Mercury crosses sun. This is a rare astronomical event, which is getting a fair bit of popular press (not just in places like the New York Times or the Guardian, but even in the Daily Mail). Smurrayinchester 14:28, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- (Oh, while it doesn't make a big difference May transits are rare - transits more normally happen in November.) Smurrayinchester 14:34, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose, this particular astronomical event doesn't seem super-rare. The 2012 transit of Venus, for instance, was posted because it happens roughly every 243 years (btw, it coincided with the death of Ray Bradbury). Brandmeister 16:20, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose this solar system centric item. As a relatively frequently occurring event, it does not stand out as any news of astronomical importance.--WaltCip (talk) 19:55, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support - if we're going to have meteor showers and eclipses on ITNR, this kind of event should also be ITNR. Sure, it has little astronomical importance, but same goes for these other celestial events. Objections based on relative frequency do not convince as well. Total solar eclipses are ITNR, and they occur more frequently than Mercury transits. For that matter there are many annual events on ITNR (like the awarding of Nobel Prizes, winning the Premier League), and those occur more frequently than Mercury transits as well. Banedon (talk) 00:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose
Comment – What is, or was, the practical effect of this 'event' – ?? None, as far as I can see. Sca (talk) 13:52, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Au contraire, mon ami. It's not that I don't "like" it – I have no like or dislike notions on this matter. However, in view of the 'trial,' I withdraw my oppose. Nuff said? Sca (talk) 00:20, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Hopefully, although the trial only applies to RDs. The Rambling Man (talk) 04:48, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oh. Doh! In that case.... (∧) Sca (talk) 12:55, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Austrian PM resigns
Article: Werner Faymann (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Werner Faymann resigns as Chancellor of Austria and leader of the Social Democratic Party. (Post) News source(s): BBC Credits:
Nominator's comments: EU head of government resigns. Like Germany, the Chancellor is the most powerful person in the nation's politics. '''tAD''' (talk) 13:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- At the moment, there's no update - no explanation why he resigned or who'll take his place. This is needed before I can support. Smurrayinchester 13:37, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support
... pending article improvements – Apparently the resignation is related to the poor performance of the Social Democratic Party (Faymann's party) in the first round of Austrian presidential elections April 24, in which the populist FPÖ won a surprising 35 percent. Note, however, that according to Zeit his resignation was long expected due to eroding support within his own party. Sca (talk) 14:18, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support on improvements The resignation of a sitting national leader is important, but we absolutely need to document why this happened in the article before ITN posting. --MASEM (t) 14:28, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Agree with Smurry. It's just a paragraph, but a fairly detailed one. Sca (talk) 22:29, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Agree, the added para is sufficient for posting now. --MASEM (t) 15:11, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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RD: William Schallert
Article: William Schallert (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): ABC News, CBS News, NYT Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: American actor and President of the Screen Actors Guild (1979-81). Needs more sourcing. Fuebaey (talk) 01:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose - The only significant part about SAG is its awards; nothing more. Also, unions of actors may be losing their grounds. If SAG were a country, I'd favor honorable mention of him. George Ho (talk) 07:50, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- @George Ho: With the current trial, we no longer judge on importance- though I would state that even under the prior criteria of doing so, leader of the Screen Actors Guild would make him important to acting(which does and has done more than just give out awards). 331dot (talk) 09:25, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
RD: John Young
Article: John Young (baseball) (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): ESPN Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Per the trial RD period, here's an article I once 5x expanded for DYK that I wouldn't have nominated for RD under the normal criteria. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:26, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
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RD: Khurram Zaki
Article: Khurram Zaki (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): BBC News, CBC News, TIME Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Pakistani activist. Fuebaey (talk) 01:41, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support Good article with lots of sources. Neljack (talk) 07:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose a couple of and a couple of external links inline to address before this is ready to go. Plus odd phrasing like "To understand the context of this and other protests with repect to Lal Masjid read this article by...." needs to be addressed. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak oppose for now. A small number of problems, but serious enough to keep off the main page; problems with WP:SELF and WP:EL, especially in directing readers explicitly to links outside of Misplaced Pages in the main body of the text, and a few cn tags that should be resolved. The odd phrasing noted by TRM is also an issue. These are not insurmountable, but should be cleaned up before posting to the main page. --Jayron32 12:10, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
RD: Ann Day
Article: Ann Day (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Fox News, NBC News, WSJ Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Arizona politician; sister of the first female Supreme Court justice. Is a stub and would need expanding. Fuebaey (talk) 00:52, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
RD: Bernardo Ribeiro
Article: Bernardo Ribeiro (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Newsweek, The Guardian, The Independent Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Similar case to Ekeng, though Brazilian not Cameroonian. Article could do with few more references, but is otherwise not a stub. Fuebaey (talk) 00:25, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- How many barely notable soccer players die at 26 per week? – Muboshgu (talk) 02:09, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- I don't know. Is that rhetorical? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:19, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. Too much of the biography is uncited. We need many more references for what is written there for this to be considered for the main page. --Jayron32 12:05, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose. I think we are starting to see the results of the trial run. A very minor player who only played 52 games as a professional and was never on his national team is to now be considered to have significance enough to put on the RD list? 52 games is not even two seasons of games and that's spread out over 5 years. Yes he died young, but based on his early career was he really expected to be a significant player in the future? If this is the level of football players that make the cut, then practically EVERY American football player will make the cut! Is that the way we want to go?? Rhodesisland (talk) 22:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Except that, as it stands now, he didn't make the cut; adding this article is opposed on quality grounds. Comments about the trial run would be more useful on WT:ITN. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:21, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Indeed. The trial results so far have been very encouraging. People have worked on more RDs than ever before because once they are up to scratch, they will be posted. This is a good thing. But as Floquenbeam notes, this article is not ready to be posted, but should you wish to work on it, improve it to the standards required for main page inclusion, so much the better! The Rambling Man (talk) 04:50, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
2016 Kentucky Derby
Articles: Nyquist (horse) (talk · history · tag) and 2016 Kentucky Derby (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Nyquist wins the 2016 Kentucky Derby, extending his race record to eight wins in eight races. (Post) Alternative blurb: The undefeated thoroughbred Nyquist wins the 2016 Kentucky Derby News source(s): Balan, Jeremy (7 May 2016). "Nyquist Unrelenting in Kentucky Derby Victory". The Blood-Horse. Retrieved 8 May 2016. Credits:
Both articles updated One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: Annual major sport event, listed at WP:ITNR. This year's event notable for an undefeated winner. Montanabw 02:22, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- @LL212W: This event is on the Recurring Items List(ITNR), meaning that no discussion is required on the merits as this has already been determined to be notable. This is very significant to the horse racing world and sports in general(over 160,000 people gathered to watch a two minute race) Still, if you feel that this should not be on the ITNR list, you are welcome to propose its removal, though I think it unlikely to succeed. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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- A man is killed, and two others are injured (a man in critical condition and a woman with non-life-threatening injuries), in the parking lot of Westfield Montgomery Mall in Potomac in Montgomery County, Maryland, near Washington, D.C. Soon after, a woman is killed at a grocery store some miles away. Police suspect that the same shooter may be behind both crime scene incidents. Police in both Montgomery County and neighboring Prince George's County are also examining whether this person is the same as the male involved in the fatal shooting the previous day of a woman, Gladys Tordil, who was allegedly shot (a bystander who tried to help was also wounded) by her estranged abusive husband, tentatively identified as Eulalio Tordil, 62, a former Federal Protective Service officer. (MSN) (CNN)
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RD:Chris Mitchell
Article: Chris Mitchell (Scottish footballer) (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): BBC Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Per recent deaths trial; unremarkable former footballer is front-page news in Scotland for "sudden death" at 27 (tabloids have already "deduced" a cause but let's not go there). I had a bit of a tidy/expansion of this article, I can still do more. '''tAD''' (talk) 22:13, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose I for one oppose the trial run, but can't vote as the discussion has been closed. Similar to Ekeng or Piermario Morosini. Unfortunate death, but career-wise hardly RD-able. Brandmeister 08:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose because a situation where the death is the story instead of the death of a notable person(which the nominator concedes) should be a blurb, and this does not warrant a blurb. 331dot (talk) 09:14, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment The above arguments are of course valid positions, but don't take into account whether or not the quality is sufficient. I deliberately chose this figure to trial the trial as trials should be trialled. '''tAD''' (talk) 22:39, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
RD: Patrick Ekeng
Article: Patrick Ekeng (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): BBC, 140,000 more Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Well, by looking at the trial criteria, I have nominated this recent death. The deceased was not top of his sport, but the reaction to his death is in international news due to its televised nature, the youth of the deceased and the investigation which has found (possibly criminal) negligence by a private ambulance firm. '''tAD''' (talk) 21:15, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment agreed, if it's not posted before I wake up, I'll work on the article tomorrow morning to ensure it gets up to the standard required during this trial. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:20, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support This death is interesting enough that I'd probably support it even without the trial. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:22, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support I've added a couple more refs and there's nothing unreferenced that's remotely controversial, marked as ready. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:22, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support Article in good shape and his death is receiving media coverage. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:23, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support, died while playing, and—it seems—might have been saved if not for poor medical treatment. Abductive (reasoning) 21:25, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Posted. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
RD: Reg Grundy
Article: Reg Grundy (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): BBC, The Australian, The Hollywood Reporter, Rheinische Post Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Grundy had a long career in television and helped create, produce or adapt some of the most well known Australian television shows, including Neighbours Prisoner: Cell Block H, Sons and Daughters, Sale of the Century and Family Feud. He was described as "the father of Australian television" and "a national treasure". He was awarded an AC and an OBE for his work, and his surname became rhyming slang for underwear. JuneGloom07 Talk 14:36, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Neutral/Weak support - Boy am I torn on this one. We don't get much of an opportunity to nominate RDs or events from Australia. However, it's hard to say whether or not this lives up to RD's objective criteria for posting. I am inclined to let this one go through as a litmus test.--WaltCip (talk) 14:49, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment he died on 6 May. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:53, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak support Article quality is not terrible. Everything is referenced, and the article isn't a stub, which is usually the minimum necessary. It would be nice if someone so important were to have a more extensive biography, which is why this is "weak" for now. --Jayron32 16:57, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- FYI Note the new, temporary criteria described in the ambox here: Misplaced Pages:In the news#Recent deaths section. For the next month, ITN/C won't be evaluating the "importance" of someone when deciding whether to include them in RD or not, just on (a) being in the news, and (b) article quality. Please evaluate this nomination based on this new criteria. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose until orange tag is resolved. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:24, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 02:34, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
RD: Margot Honecker
Article: Margot Honecker (talk · history · tag) Recent deaths nomination (Post) News source(s): Deutsche Welle Reuters Credits:
Article updated Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: First Lady of East Germany and prominent Communist politician in her own right (nicknamed "Purple Witch" for her hard line stance and considered "'the most hated person' in East Germany next to Stasi chief Erich Mielke") Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:01, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Unless they did something spectacularly radical, I don't see how a former education minister is ever going to rise to the level of justifying inclusion at ITN, since every country will have dozens. With the possible exception of Prince Philip when he finally drops off, "married to famous person" has never been considered grounds for notability on Misplaced Pages, by very longstanding consensus; we made an exception for Nancy Reagan but that was very much a special case, since she was an internationally famous and influential person in her own right. ‑ Iridescent 21:19, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak oppose following Iridescent's rational above. There's a hint that her role as ministry of education and forcing military training is a significant (if possibly negative) contribution, but what's described in the article towards that is non-existent. I'd also beg that with the Controversy section with two maintenance tags, that absolutely would have to be resolved (and not just by blanking) before considering this for posting. --MASEM (t) 23:02, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose – Although Frau Honecker did hold an official position in the DDR, she was known mainly for being the wife of that last drudge of Stalinism, Erich Honecker. Thus she fails on notability. Sca (talk) 23:58, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- FYI Note the new, temporary criteria described in the ambox here: Misplaced Pages:In the news#Recent deaths section. For the next month, ITN/C won't be evaluating the "importance" of someone when deciding whether to include them in RD or not, just on (a) being in the news, and (b) article quality. Please evaluate this nomination based on this new criteria. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:27, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- Sorry, I hadn't taken note of the 'trial.' Sca (talk) 19:04, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Request: in view of "the new, temporary criteria described in the ambox", explained by Floquenbeam, can you explain how this was posted (as part of the new month-long trial)? Presumably on the basis that the orange tags mentioned in the one oppose vote were removed and in the light of one support vote? Why should one bother voting at all? You can judge article quality yourself? 217.38.119.164 (talk) 21:59, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
- Quite so. I assessed the updated article and decided that it was of sufficient quality for the main page. You can vote, or not vote, that's up to you. You may spot some quality issues, or holes in articles, that would be helpful to an assessing admin prior to posting. Thanks for your interest in the trial. The Rambling Man (talk) 04:51, 11 May 2016 (UTC)
Irish government formation/election of Taoiseach
Posted, any genuine errors in the hook can be discussed at WP:ERRORS, any general approach to language and tailoring text for the masses can take place elsewhere. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:51, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
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Articles: 2016 Irish government formation (talk · history · tag) and Enda Kenny (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Negotiations on formation of the Irish government conclude with Enda Kenny (pictured) of Fine Gael being re-elected Taoiseach to lead a minority government in coalition with independent politicians. (Post) Alternative blurb: Negotiations on government formation following the 2016 Irish general election conclude after 70 days with Enda Kenny (pictured) of Fine Gael being re-elected Taoiseach. Alternative blurb II: Enda Kenny (pictured) of Fine Gael is re-elected Taoiseach of Ireland and forms a minority coalition government. News source(s): The Irish Times, The Guardian, Irish Independent Credits:
Both articles updated Kwekubo (talk) 17:17, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support articles look to be in good shape. The blurbs are a bit wordy; I'm wondering if there is a way to condense it a bit. --Jayron32 17:30, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support on improvements - Importance clear. The government formation article is fine, but Kenny's has several CNs and a handful of unsourced paragraph, including one under the Vatican part that includes unsourced quotes, which absolutely must be fixed. --MASEM (t) 17:44, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support - but please make the blurb a little shorter and less "specialized" for people not so well versed in politics. Maybe a simply "Enda Kenny is re-elected Taoiseach of Ireland and forms a minority government." is just fine. Colipon+(Talk) 23:50, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support – Yes, but make it "Taoiseach (prime minister)" for English-speaking readers, please. Sca (talk)
- Support alt II, without the "(prime minister)". The English term for Taoiseach is Taoiseach; the mention of "prime minister" in the article is an explanation of what the role entails, not a job title. ‑ Iridescent 09:44, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
- Taoiseach: "The words Taoiseach and Tánaiste are both from the Irish language and of ancient origin."
- Oxford: "Taoiseach – The prime minister of the Republic of Ireland. – Origin: Irish, literally 'chief, leader'."
- – Why not write in a manner that is readily understood by most readers? Sca (talk) 14:36, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
- For the same reason we don't call Angela Merkel "Chancellor (prime minister)", or Li Keqiang "Premier (prime minister)"; because "Prime Minister" is never used WRT Ireland, even when writing in English. Note that the term doesn't appear once on even the English version of his website. ‑ Iridescent 14:46, 7 May 2016
- Chancellor and premier are in general English-language use; taoiseach is not. The term taoiseach would never be applied in English to any government leader except the Irish one, and won't be comprehended by most of the world's 1.2 billion speakers of English as a first or second language.
- This is not British Misplaced Pages, it's the English-language Misplaced Pages. Sca (talk) 15:06, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
- Nor is it American Misplaced Pages, so we stop using terms like "plurality" then, yes? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:20, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
- Agree it's not American Wiki. It's the English-language Misplaced Pages.
- Is plurality unknown in British English? Sca (talk) 18:13, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, as you're told every single time the issue arises here; the British equivalent would be "largest share of the vote". Incidentally, since it appears to have escaped your attention, Ireland is not in fact in Britain. ‑ Iridescent 18:19, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
- "Escaped my attention"? I know that, and I strongly suspect that you know I know that.
- However, for historical and geographic reasons, I believe Ireland is – or traditionally was – considered part of the British Isles, and that the English spoken in the Republic of Ireland is a variant of British English. Correct me if I'm wrong. Now, how about having a civil discussion of the issue, without snarky asides? Sca (talk) 23:23, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
- Nothing further to discuss here, the hook is accurate, the terms are linked where appropriate. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:12, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- PS: I don't believe I've ever used the word plurality here, and I'm not fond of it for ITN purposes since it may not be readily understood by many readers. Sca (talk) 14:58, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- More like "no Yanks." Sca (talk) 15:03, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- And no Brits know the term 'plurality'. Your point is? Fgf10 (talk) 15:17, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
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Boaty McBoatface
Although I'm absolutely outraged by this, I agree with the consensus that this is not ITN, and would make an excellent DYK. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:31, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
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Article: RRS Sir David Attenborough (talk · history · tag) Blurb: The Natural Environment Research Council announces that the name of its new ship will be RRS Sir David Attenborough despite RRS Boaty McBoatface being the most popular in a public vote. (Post) Alternative blurb: The Natural Environment Research Council announces that the name of its new ship will be RRS Sir David Attenborough, although RRS Boaty McBoatface was the most popular in a public vote. News source(s): (bbc) Credits:
Mjroots (talk) 15:09, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
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Mayor of London election
Strong consensus against posting this item. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:52, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
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Articles: Sadiq Khan (talk · history · tag) and London mayoral election, 2016 (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Sadiq Khan is elected Mayor of London. (Post) Alternative blurb: Sadiq Khan becomes the first Muslim to be elected Mayor of London. Alternative blurb II: Sadiq Khan becomes the first Muslim Mayor of a major western city after being elected Mayor of London. Credits:
Nominator's comments: Testing the waters here. London is one of two alpha++ global cities (along with New York) and one of four whose mayoral/gubernatorial elections get global coverage (I also saw a fair bit about Paris and Tokyo's elections in the British press), and the fact he's the first Muslim to potentially be mayor is very widely reported. On the other hand, we didn't post de Blasio becoming mayor of New York. Smurrayinchester 12:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak support for the 'first Muslim' angle. de Blasio was not a groundbreaking candidate. That said, I understand not posting mayoral elections in general. 331dot (talk) 12:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support both bolded articles are in decent enough shape for the main page, fully referenced and extensive enough. --Jayron32 13:12, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Also, I added another altblurb, the formulation "Muslim Mayor of London" has some grammatical/parsing issues (makes it sound like there's a singular position called "Muslim Mayor" and he's the first person to hold it.) I've rephrased to avoid the ambiguity. --Jayron32 13:15, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak oppose. Still only a mayor, even if London is a top-25 metro area. Unless he is somehow promising to promote an Islamic agenda, his personal religion is a rather trivial matter (as is race, gender, family's national origin, what college he attended, etc.). For me, that bit of trivia doesn't overcome the fact he is a still only running for mayor. Dragons flight (talk) 13:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Disagree that his religion is a trivial matter when David Cameron comments on it: 331dot (talk) 13:32, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- How does that change anything about the event? Sca (talk) 13:44, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- If you feel it doesn't change anything, I respect that, but it is not trivial when the head of government of a country basically states that a mayoral candidate in the country's largest city is associated with 'extremists'. 331dot (talk) 13:51, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- It's part of the (domestic) news of the day, all right, but IMO not up to ITN standards. Sca (talk) 14:07, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Maybe trivia is not quite the right word, but in our world of identity politics it is hardly uncommon for politicians to comment on personal characteristics that have little or no obvious connection to a candidate's capabilities and policy. We often see religion, race, gender being brought up in contentious campaigns. Just because it is a part of the political rhetoric does not necessarily mean we should also give a lot of significance to someone being the first X to be elected Y, if we wouldn't ordinarily regard being elected Y as a sufficient reason to post. Incidentally, due to a quirk of London politics, he is also only the third person to be directly elected Mayor as no such elected office existed before 2000.
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- Oppose – Per Dragons. And, note that posting the election of de Blasio was unanimously opposed by five ITN regulars in 2013. – Sca (talk) 13:42, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose - This type of nom (the first X to be Y) is one we have to be really careful about because it has the possibility to propagate out of control. If we would normally post Y, then mentioning X is fine (eg mentioning Obama as the first African American US President) but going out of our way to post Y to feature X is a problem. But that does make for a good DYK... --MASEM (t) 13:50, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- We should make a decision if we want to fight bias or embrace it - we did not post Donald Trump winning Indiana, but every now and then some people will argue that so-and-so article gets so many page views which means people find it interesting, and if we're not here to serve our readers what are we doing? If that argument is acceptable, then since page views arise because of bias, we should embrace it. If we elect to fight bias then I would oppose this; if we elect to embrace bias then I would support. With all that said I personally think we should fight bias and therefore I oppose this per arguments raised by Dragons flight. Banedon (talk) 13:53, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak something or other I don't really mind either way, it's one of those stories that is interesting but possibly not notable enough. Would be a good hook for DYK (and we certainly need more of those). Laura Jamieson (talk) 14:04, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Agree with Masem's comment re the first X to be Y. Sca (talk) 14:08, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose mentioning religion, if posted I don't mind either way if this is posted, but if it is I would oppose mentioning Kahn's as it's not relevant to the position or his politics, despite the Conservative campaign going out of it's way to promote racism. Thryduulf (talk) 15:00, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak support I have seen this among the leading news items in France and Spain, no idea about elsewhere. On the subject of religion, it is true that this is not a defining part of his platform (he has spoken of the retribution he has faced for supporting equal marriage) but it has been the main cause of muck thrown at him by opponents. I see in the lead of John F. Kennedy he is mentioned as the first Catholic president, and that is notable in a historical context because of bigotry in the campaign against him, despite him obviously not turning America into a theocracy. '''tAD''' (talk) 15:54, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose. Sub-national election of an official with limited powers. Yes this is important for London (and for me personally, as a recent Londoner and frequent visitor) but ITN avoids posting local elections for very good reasons. Khan's religion is neither here nor there; the UK has long had elected officials from minority religions. The fact that this is the first time an elected London mayor has been a Muslim becomes even less impressive when you remember that he's only the third person to hold the position (after Ken Livingstone and Boris Johnson). Modest Genius 16:17, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Interestingly, of those two, Livingstone has said in interviews that based on her name and lack of records, his grandmother may have been a Jewish refugee, and Johnson has Jewish and Muslim ancestors. There aren't too many Londoners who can trace their roots to the same city over centuries. '''tAD''' (talk) 21:57, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose. This is pretty unremarkable, it's a mayoral election, I don't ever really recall seeing mayors of NYC, Paris, Tokyo being posted on here – so it's mundane unless we mention that he's a muslim. In this case, it may seem remarkable to an outsider who has the idea that we Brits live in some kind of Mary Poppins land, but it's really not. London is a multicultural city, which has elected plenty of non-white British MPs over the last decades, and Sadiq is in fact only the third person to ever be elected Mayor of London. So it's really nothing special, and posting it this way will just serve to legitimise the divisive campaign played out by his opponent. So not feeling it qualifies as world news. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 17:06, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Legitimizing it or not is irrelevant; we don't make judgment calls like that here; it is what it is and will be discussed as such. While you might not feel that it qualifies as world news, many news outlets would disagree with you. 331dot (talk) 17:09, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Extremely weak support on the grounds of him being elected as mayor to one of the largest cities in the world. I do not think the religion is relevant. JFK's Catholicism would not have been emphasized were ITN existent around this time.--WaltCip (talk) 17:20, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Extremely strong support: Alternative blurb as first choice, its historical and significant. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:43, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Do the above comments represent the Extremist Vote? Sca (talk) 18:53, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose - Change of leadership of countries is one thing, leadership of a city is another. If this is posted, then the results of the Welsh and Scottish assemblies/parliament elections should be announced as well. Optimist on the run (talk) 19:56, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak oppose the only real shaft of interest is the muslim angle, and since we're not in the game for righting wrongs, this isn't really a story of any interest. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:57, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Conditional support: the only thing really a story here is that he's the first Muslim mayor of a major western city, though this also has problems no matter how you phrase it. I propose the following blurb:
Sadiq Khan becomes the first Muslim Mayor of a major western city after being elected Mayor of London.
Nub Cake (talk) 01:24, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
- Strong oppose – Local level elections are not posted barring something exceptionally contentious and posting this would set a highly unwanted precedent. The only angle being pushed here is Khan's religion, and it's not our place to highlight that as the most important aspect (it's decent trivia material, though). If you take out the religion, all you're left with is a routine election of a mayor, a story no one would consider posting. ~ Cyclonebiskit (chat) 02:37, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose a quote from his article "Tabloid sources reported that the imam of a Bradford mosque issued a fatwa in which he declared him to no longer be a Muslim; and police subsequently advised him to review his security" which alludes to him being a Muslim only in name. Nergaal (talk) 04:59, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comment, the key issue here is how Khan himself identifies himself. That 1 local mosque imam disowns him should not be given disproportionate importance. --Soman (talk) 07:03, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
- Anyone can issue a fatwa. Khan isn't even from Bradford and has no links to this mosque - it's just a radical trying to cause trouble (if you read the sentence before, it was a protest against him voting for same-sex marriage). Khan doesn't drink and fasts at Ramadan, so I don't think there's much reason to doubt that he's a Muslim! Smurrayinchester 08:08, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
- Strong oppose; parochial election of a local official to a largely symbolic post with few actual powers; the mayor of London isn't equivalent to the mayors of Paris, New York etc who actually exert significant control over their cities. Also strongly oppose the "Muslim" angle if this does run; "city which is 15% Muslim elects a Muslim candidate one time out of five" is totally non-surprising except for some (mainly American) media outlets who appear to think London is populated entirely by cheery Cockneys and loveable toffs. ‑ Iridescent 08:50, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
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- 2016 Fort McMurray wildfire
- The western Canadian province of Alberta declares a state of emergency as devastating wildfires, fed by unseasonably hot temperatures and dry conditions, grow to five times their initial size. The mandatory evacuation order expands to include the communities of Anzac, Gregoire Lake Estates, and Fort McMurray First Nation, forcing thousands who had just resettled to move again. (CTV) (USA Today) (Reuters)
- Since the fire has intermittently blocked the only route south toward Alberta's major cities, evacuees have had to go north toward oil camps and a few small settlements. The province has airlifted 4,000 people to Edmonton and Calgary as of late Thursday. Roughly 20 percent of Canada's crude oil production, around 680,000 barrels per day, is offline and is expected to increase. There are no known casualties from the fire, which today has grown to 210,000 acres (85,000 hectares), but fatalities are reported in at least one vehicle crash along the evacuation route. (Daily Mail)
- Reuters reports that Alberta Province, which projects a C$10 billion deficit this fiscal year as the prolonged slump in oil prices has reduced tax revenue, last month cut funding for wildfire prevention, including millions for programs created in response to the province's Slave Lake wildfire in 2011, which destroyed more than 300 homes. (Reuters via Voice of America)
- At least 12 people are killed and 30 others injured after a bus plunges into a ravine in Bolivia's eastern Santa Cruz province. (Agencia EFE)
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Ahmet Davutoğlu resignation
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Article: Ahmet Davutoğlu (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Turkish prime minister Ahmet Davutoğlu announces his resignation, effective 22 May. (Post) Alternative blurb: Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu (pictured) resigns following disagreements with President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan Alternative blurb II: Turkish prime minister Ahmet Davutoğlu announces his resignation. News source(s): Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: Obvious recurring item, PM being the head of government in Turkey. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 13:58, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support on improvements/update - Importance is clear, and while the article is nearly there, there's a couple paragraphs that are unsourced and refer to "claims", thus absolutely requiring sources. Further, I would expect there to be a section regarding his resignation, while will likely have updates over time, but should be established now to describe the events leading up to it. --MASEM (t) 14:11, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support – notable political event. Baking Soda (talk) 14:34, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
- Weak support Mention is VERY brief in the lede. The main text of the article (probably the Premiership section) should be updated with a more elaborate text explaining the particulars and context of his resignation. Otherwise, however, the article is really solid, extensive and well referenced. If we can have a more extensive update, this would be a great article to link from the main page. --Jayron32 16:24, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support with a different blurb: Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu (pictured) resigns following disagreements with President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan - also with an appropriate picture (see left). I've added a sourced section detailing facts about the resignation on the article. Nub Cake (talk) 01:48, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- Putting this into the alt blurb and adding image into the nomination. Banedon (talk) 02:51, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- @Sca: You probably know that what public figures state (lie, often) in public vs. what they state in private is not entirely harmonious. I think Davutoğlu's public statements of loyalty to Erdoğan may have been in part to save face and in part to keep damage to the Turkish lira to a minimum. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 02:17, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Very well, oppose until it happens. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:45, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
- Support - looks like the resignation is happening. Also, the article on Ahmet Davutoğlu is remarkably comprehensive. Christian Roess (talk) 02:10, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- I'd like to post "Turkish prime minister Ahmet Davutoğlu announces his resignation", full stop. The "effective 22 May" addendum bugs me in a way I can't quite explain. Is my suggestion acceptable, or does omitting that part suggest that the resignation was immediate? --Bongwarrior (talk) 04:20, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- Added your suggestion to ALT2. George Ho (talk) 05:00, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose – It's been three days – at this point it's getting stale and has faded from news sites. Considering that the practical effect of his resignation remains unclear, that pushes it off the ITN stage, IMO. Sca (talk) 14:17, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
California marijuana legalization initiative
consensus against, at least for now and possibly for good. Bencherlite (using his alt account Bencherheavy) 13:25, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
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Article: Adult Use of Marijuana Act (talk · history · tag) Blurb: Over 600,000 California voter signatures supporting the Adult Use of Marijuana Act were collected, enough to put it on the 2016 general election ballot. (Post) News source(s): Credits:
Nominator's comments: Timely and relevant – the entire U.S. West Coast and a significant fraction of U.S. population will be in decriminalized states if this passes. Brianhe (talk) 09:20, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose I think this should be posted if it passes and not now. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:26, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
- Wait Per TRM, I'm not opposed towards posting an article about this topic, but this is the wrong time. Petitions aren't binding, and when this becomes law would be the appropriate time to post it if we have a quality article to post. --Jayron32 09:33, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
- Comments. First, this is widely expected to pass based on polling. Second, the story is going to be swamped by US federal elections this fall. – Brianhe (talk) 09:37, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
- Bit crystal bally for me. We can't just post it based on "wide expectations". The Rambling Man (talk) 09:39, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
- Wait per TRM. Unless there is major controversy about it appearing on the ballot and this makes news outside the region of the relevant ballot (in which case we would consider posting news about the controversy, not about the ballot), then this should be posted only if it passes. Thryduulf (talk) 10:03, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose in any case. Per Cannabis in the United States, it's already legal in at least four states. So legalization in California isn't particularly newsworthy. Brandmeister 10:05, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
- (ec) Oppose under any circumstances. This is not groundbreaking as marijuana is already legal in Colorado, Washington state, and a few other places. Maine already has a referendum on the ballot for this year as well(disclosure: I started that article). 331dot (talk) 10:07, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
- Wait - The principle of this is not to be understated; if California goes, the rest of the U.S. is sure to follow suit. However, it actually has to go first.--WaltCip (talk) 11:58, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
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References
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- https://www.rt.com/uk/342106-sadiq-khan-london-mayor/
- Jimi Devine (May 4, 2016), "California marijuana legalization 2016 campaign launches with Lt. Gov. Newsom", San Francisco Chronicle
- Trevor Hughes (May 4, 2016), "California likely to vote on marijuana legalization in November", USA Today
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