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Is there any point in the characters and the Disney films having separate pages? They are all stubs. Unless someone can convince me that they have a non-stubbish future, I'll merge them all into a "list of characters" on this page. -- Tarquin 09:48 Oct 11, 2002 (UTC)

This one seems quite unstubby. I would leave it by itself.

I know I'm joining this discussion a few months late, but Winnie the Pooh is not primarily a Disney character! He deserves a page of his own as an important character in childrens' literature.Olivia Curtis

Do people think the short stories listed on this page should be limited to the Milne ones, or should also the Disney short stories be included as well (for example "Pancakes can be dangerous things") ---Imran 20:49, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

What's a Pooh?

While the page explains the source of the "Winnie" part of the "Winnie-the-Pooh" name, I'm still quite curious about "the Pooh". What, pray tell, is a Pooh bear, and how did it get that name? One-dimensional Tangent 21:12, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC) (The cat killed curiosity)

As I recall, they explain it in the actual book. If someone could naba copy, maybe we could add an explanation here. --b. Touch 14:54, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

There's an explanation in the article already (presumably added since 10 Nov 2004). --Paul A 03:10, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The present state of the article is a somewhat confused mix of information about the book Winnie-the-Pooh and the character Winne-?the-?Pooh. I'm beginning to think there should be separate articles for each. Comments? --Paul A 06:39, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Maybe just a clearer deliniation of each within this article? --b. Touch 14:54, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. The other point worth mentioning is that, as a punctuation pedant, it offends me to see the book Winnie-the-Pooh filed under the title ]. --Paul A 03:10, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Does anyone know the story behind the sign that says "Mr. Saunders" over Pooh's door? David Battle

According to this Winnie-the-Pooh FAQ, Milne never said anything useful on where he got the name "Sanders" but it has been claimed that the original was a printer named Frank Sanders. There's never been an in-story explanation for the sign, either - Milne was smart enough not to labour the joke - but it's generally assumed that it was left behind by a previous occupant. --Paul A 06:04, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I was also hoping the article would tell me why *NO* character in this series has (to my knowledge) EVER referred to Pooh Bear as "Winnie". This appears to be his name, but he's always referred to as "Pooh". Why? --and what IS a "Pooh"?? --Schmendrick 15:05, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Photos?

Why are all the A A Milne characters shown as Disney soft toys? Can we not use Shepherd's original drawings, or at least soft toys that look like them?

US copyright laws prevent this. This page explains the situation pretty well: http://www.hundred-acre-woods.ws/faq/chapter2.htm Turnstep 16:29, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Oh right. Darn copyright laws.

Where exactly do they live?

This sentence from the top of the page does not make much sense:

• They live in the Wood with a variety of other characters, with Owl being the only one to live in the Hundred Acre Wood.

Turnstep 02:25, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Doesn't make sense to me either. Perhaps someone wasn't paying attention to what they were writing. Scorpionman 23:42, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Although the "Hundred Acre Wood" is commonly thought to be the setting of the stories, only Owl's house was actually located there. I don't think the location of the other houses is named, although it seems to be a wooded area with lots of trees. The next time I get a chance, I'll look at my books and see if they give any more information. -Jaclyn 14:39, 22 December 2005

Don't the books include a map? 惑乱 分からん 13:20, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, and both the map and the text suggest that the Hundred Acre Wood is a part of the forest, and while everyone lives in the forest, only Owl lives in the Hundred Acre Wood part of it. Angr/talk 13:51, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

merging, moving and disambiguating

I just did a rather interesting series of moves that should probably be explained for posterity's sake, or so somebody can undo it all. I found that the content describing the character had been cut-and-paste moved from Winnie the Pooh to Winnie-the-Pooh (character). I deleted the latter, moved former on top of the latter and then undeleted the latter's content to fix the broken page history. I then started thinking that this was a rather silly place to have it, but Winnie-the-Pooh was a description of the book. I then moved the book description to Winnie-the-Pooh (book), moved the character description to replace it at Winnie-the-Pooh and dabbed the link in the character article text to the book article before fixing the numerous redirects. Knowing practically nothing about this topic, having everything redirect to the original character name and having the book be at the less obvious title appears to be logical. If the present configuration is completely ridiculous, please let me know on my talk page and I would be happy to change it to whatever the regular contributors here reach consensus on. Cheers, BanyanTree 21:16, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Comment by User:80.229.147.12 left in the middle of the article

80.229.147.12 14:21, 7 October 2005 (UTC)Someone needs to edit the caption to the picture in the section above -- I can't see how to do it. What you show is not Winnie-the-Pooh but Winnie the Pooh, the Disney bastardization. Better still, replace the picture with one by E H Shepherd, all of which are infinitely superior, though bear in mind that they are in copyright until 1926, I think.80.229.147.12 14:21, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

moved here by PFHLai 15:55, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Look at the comment "Photos" above. The original images are still under copyright. Scorpionman 23:45, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Winnie-Ther-Pooh

I think shomething should be mentioned about the first appearance of WTP's name, in the very first pages of the book, he allegedly was called "Edward Bear":

"When I first heard his name, I said, just as you are going to say,
"But I thought he was a boy?"
"So did I," said Christopher Robin.
"Then you can't call him Winnie?"
"I don't."
"But you said--"
"He's Winnie-ther-Pooh. Don't you know what 'ther' means?"
"Ah, yes, now I do," I said quickly;
and I hope you  do too,
because it is all the explanation you are going to get."

I'm probably not the first to have noted it sounds very much like the German gender definite article "der", but the original books is not particularly explicit about the matter. 85.226.122.241 14:22, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

By 'gender' I think you meant masculine, nominative. I don't think it's especially relevant, as Christopher Robin is very young and unlikely to know any german. 57.66.51.165 13:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, masculine, nominative, sorry I forgot that. Christopher Robin hadn't need to know much German to, somehow, somewhere, have picked up that in German, unlike English, you could differ between genders with the definite article and be fascinated by it. Anyway, it fits well with the explanation, but you're right in that it's fan speculation. 惑乱 分からん 13:18, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

So what does "ther" mean then? This has bothered me since I first read the book, and it's not in any dictionary I've found. Is it some sort of gender-neutral linking word? 204.145.242.1 19:34, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't mean anything except "the" pronounced with special emphasis (keep in mind this was an upper-middle class English family in the early 20th century who definitely spoke RP). It isn't supposed to make sense except in the mind of a six-year-old, to whom it's quite natural that "Winnie-ther-Pooh" be a boy's name even though Winnie is a girl's name. Don't over-analyze it! Angr (talk • contribs) 19:50, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

actors

So are all the original voice actors for Winnie the Pooh are dead now? Scorpionman 23:41, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Not at all. Clint Howard is still alive and very actively working, and Bruce Reitherman is also apparently still alive. Of course, they were kids at the time, so that's not really surprising. All of the adult voice actors appear to have passed away, most recently John Fiedler and Paul Winchell. Also, some of the later voices of Christopher Robin and Roo are still alive, but you did say "original". Powers 20:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Actor Sterling Holloway was the original voice of Pooh. While watching an old Twilight Zone episode, I was surprised to hear Pooh's voice coming out of a TV repairman!! This **really** should be included in the article, but I don't see an obvious place to include it... --Samatva 23:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The New Pooh

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2005-12-06-winnie-the-pooh_x.htm

Um. I haven't the heart, but it should go in the article somewhere. *weeps openly* Scix 22:34, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

That is just WRONG!!!!!!!!! They shouldn't be able to mess with Pooh! That should be considerd treason!

I can't believe this sort of thing is actually legal. Shame on Disney!

Just as a record, in case it confused anyone: Apparently I was a bonehead, misread the above comment as being in the article, rev'd it, then re-revved, as near as I can tell, fixing my error. Scix 06:09, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

This IS NOT RIGHT! WINNIE THE POOH 'NOR CHRISTPHOR ROBIN SHOULD BE REPLACED! IT'S ALMOST LIKE DISNEY IS TRYING TO CHANGE SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY CLOSE TO YOU IN YOUR CHILDHOOD. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.171.57.223 (talk • contribs) .

Lumpy?

The 'Lumpy' hyperlink links to a Star Wars character - is there a page for the WtP character or does a new one need created?

There is no "Lumpy" Link in Misplaced Pages, but I have redirected the link of "Lumpy" to the article on heffalumps. Since I am not logged on I cannnot make a link about Lumpy right now.

Sex of Winnie-the-Pooh - controversion in Poland

The basic Polish translation by Irena Tuwim of 1938 presents Winnie as a boy. in 1986 translation by Monika Adamczyk Winnie is a girl. Xx236 13:46, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Video Games

Are you sure that Kingdom Hearts is the only Pooh video game?

I founded other Pooh video games at Amazon.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elil (talk • contribs) .

(named after Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada)

Removed this from the very first sentence because it doesn't strike me as a) accurate (he is named afer the bear, not the place) b) suitable or helpful in an introduction. As it is not one of the most memorable, or famous, points about the subject, it should not be in that first sentence. Of course, you can disagree and add it back. 57.66.51.165 13:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Pictures

Several times on this talk page it is claimed that we can't use the E.H. Shepherd drawings because they are under copyright. However, the Disney images on this page are also under copyright. Using an E.H. Shepherd drawing to illustrate what Winnie-the-Pooh looks like will certainly qualify as fair use, so I say, get rid of Disney's Pooh and replace it with the real thing! Angr/talk 13:58, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Or both, for comparision... 惑乱 分からん 13:19, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I have been bold and replaced the Disney abomination with a Shepard drawing, which certainly falls within fair use. The postmodern Pooh with the new little girl is still there, since she's referred to in the article. Angr/talk 14:19, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it's dangerously POV to remove the extremely well-known Disney version simply because it's an "abomination". The CGI shot doesn't show Pooh very well. Therefore, I've kept the Sheppard illustration, re-added the Disney Pooh, and removed the book cover as unnecessary. Powers 15:19, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Purists would say the Disney image doesn't show Pooh at all. More to the point, since the image with the litle girl is also a Disney image, we now have two Disney Poohs and only one Shepard Pooh. I think that's dangerously POV. Angr/talk 15:36, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

We can't base our decisions on the opinions of purists, though, right? Anyway, the Sheppard image has the most prominent location, marking it as the "definitive" illustrative image. As for the CGI image, it shows several of the Pooh characters, with Pooh himself obscured and in 1/4 view; it's absurdly inadequate for illustrating the modern Pooh. If you think there are too many pictures, remove that one. However, I tend to view it as representative of the third stage of Pooh: the first being Milne's books, mostly with Sheppard's illustrations; the second being classic Disney Pooh; the third being this new CGI stuff without Christopher Robin. Powers 15:44, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Pooh was a cartoon designed to get people to respect people with mental dissabilities.

Pooh=Eating disorder/addiction Rabbit=OCD Piglet=Severe social anxiety Eyore=Severe depression Tigger=ADD

Funny, but not true. CMacMillan

Actually, this refers to a spoof article produced in a Canadian Medical Journal (Heading as follows):

Research of the Holiday Kind: Pathology in the Hundred Acre Wood: a neurodevelopmental perspective on A.A. Milne

Sarah E. Shea, Kevin Gordon, Ann Hawkins, Janet Kawchuk and Donna Smith

Sarah-the-Shea, Ann-the-Hawkins, Janet-the-Kawchuk and Donna-the-Smith are with the Division of Developmental Pediatrics and Kevin-the-Gordon is with the Division of Neurology, Department of Pediatrics, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS

It's an amusing article, but clearly a spoof. I'm not sure that we need to reference it here... 157.203.42.40 12:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Having said that - re-reading the entry I note that the CMA Journal article is already linked in. 157.203.42.40 12:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Pooh's Religion?

Now, I don't know if this is just some joke or parody, but I found a video of Poohbear worshipping Satan.-- 陈鼎翔 贡献 Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 04:37, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

You don't know if that's just a joke or parody??? Angr (talk • contribs) 06:50, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

It must be a parody alright. Sorry. It's a parody from his exercise "Up Down, Touch The Ground" routine. :)-- 陈鼎翔 贡献 Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 08:20, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Brainie The Poo

A supposed parody of this pooh bear. Should this be posted up here?-- 陈鼎翔 贡献 Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! 08:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. Having the Disney parody of Winnie-the-Pooh in this article is quite enough. Angr (talk • contribs) 08:47, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Name?

Again, this question is being popped up. What's a pooh? A bear, or just a word put in for the sake of filling up part of Poohbear's name? Really, I don't know!-- 陈鼎翔 贡献 Chat with Tdxiang on IRC! (Tdixang is down with the flu and will be inactive) 03:59, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Google hacking...

This is the first result when you search "wikipedia annoying" on google...

Although I doubt wikipedia can do anything about this it would be nice if something was done somehow.

24.239.174.223 05:10, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

New section from User:68.234.187.80

This edit by User:68.234.187.80 has added a lot of poorly formatted, unreferenced text to the article. The actual data seems legitimate, but it desperately needs references and cleanup; I've tagged it accordingly. I also worry about the current section divisions; they made sense before this addition but not so much anymore. Powers 13:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I've never seen a more deformed article. At least it has the information... 67.158.5.216 07:26, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Moved Slesinger and Disney related Content

You can find it under Slesinger representation of the Milne character "Winnie the Pooh".Lkinkade 00:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

The Disney representation is in many cases contradictory to the original A. A. Milne character. Eeyore is first and foremost a character in books by A. A. Milne, and that is being lost and overwhelmed when the Disney infomation is in the same article.

I am currently working on separating out all of the A. A. Milne characters from their more recent animated versions. The information about the original character was difficult too distinguish from the Disney character and attempts to use the article to find out about the original character were being foiled.Lkinkade 11:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it could do with a headline redirect for those who are *looking* for the Disney Pooh. -- Ian Dalziel 14:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

That is a good idea.Lkinkade 14:43, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

This is a bad idea. The contravercy over the difference in characters, if mentioned by a Reputable Source should be mentioned in the article. Splitting the two incarnations makes the encyclopedia less informative. JBKramer 17:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think the split is a good idea either. We get better context by keeping things together- we can compare and contrast the Milne originals with the Disney versions without splitting into two articles. Other equally notable representations of these characters (if such exist) would also be covered. Friday (talk) 17:40, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a good start on separating Pooh, the literary character from the Disney franchise. Perhaps some of the content in the other article belongs in the main article, but certainly not all of it. As it is, content that is NOT about Disney tends to get lost in the great morass of Disney-related content. Kelly Martin (talk) 17:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

{{sofixit}}. This article is about "Winnie-the-Pooh." People looking for information about "Winnie-the-Pooh" will look to this article. At the very least, the information I reinserted should be returned to the article - substantially more, but I didn't want to step on toes and reinsert anything about disney content per the above. The character is included in disney films and videos. Such information should be here. JBKramer 18:04, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I support a split, but it should be along the lines of having three articles, one on the character, one on the Milne series of stories, and one on the Disney franchise. As I explain below, the character is the same (or intended to be the same) regardless of which version we mean. Powers 18:28, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, if this is where we're going to discuss it, we ought to notify editors from other pages like Talk:Piglet (Winnie the Pooh). Powers 18:29, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

In light of the fact that recent accusations regarding my faith have caused me to feel a small amount of ownership over this article, I am walking away for 3 hours. I suggest you make such notifications. JBKramer 18:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Straw Poll

To gauge where we are. This is non-binding, as are all other strawpolls. JBKramer 18:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Disney Content should be located in this article alone

1. Best. JBKramer 18:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
2. Per JBKramer, this article is about the character. Whatever changes have been made to the character, it's still inherently the same character. See my comment above as well. Powers 18:26, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Disney Content should be mentioned in this article and placed in a seperate article

1. Acceptable Compromise. JBKramer 18:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

No Disney Content should be located in this article