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June 27

template creation - technical assistance

I have run into opening/closing braces problems while creating a template. How can I request assistance from someone with better technical understanding? The template in question is Template:Infobox uncontested presidential election small, and an unwanted code appears when used on a page (such as "{{#if:2012June 20162020| | colspan=4 |"). Brilliantwiki2 (talk) 02:34, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Is that better? I think you were missing a proper close to the if and cell end. Rwessel (talk) 04:43, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, many thanks! I made some sandbox tests and everything seems to be properly closed now. Brilliantwiki2 (talk) 08:48, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on United Kingdom local elections, 2003

Reference help requested. Hi can somebody please help with my broken reference name on this page. Thanks Timjones86 (talk) 08:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC) Thanks, Timjones86 (talk) 08:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

In the error message, the words "help desk" are in blue, indicating that they are a wikilink, in this case to Help:Cite errors/Cite error references no text. You can't use a named reference without having defined it. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:38, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

List of islam movements by country

Hi, in analogy with https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_fascist_movements_by_country_A%E2%80%93F I would welcome a list of islam movements.

Is this possible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.194.221.65 (talk) 13:00, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to Misplaced Pages. I found a few things that may be related to what you're looking for. Category:Islamic organizations by country is an existing page, as is Category:Islamist groups. If you don't think either of these is quite what you're looking for then you can request a list to be created or even better you can create one yourself. Both of WP:YFA and MOS:LIST would be good places to read first. Hope that helps! --AndrewJD (talk) 13:22, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Article recreation (Roundme)

Hi, My name is Helen! Ive created my first article and published it on Misplaced Pages. But unfortunatelly later on it was deleted due to "unambigious advertising" matter. I contacted the administrator and explained that I understood the fault. Moreover I studied all the guidlines more carefully and rewrote the article in a neutral form that meets Wiki content policies. Now I want to publish it again, but I still see the ban (blue lock) under the name of my edit source. I will appreciate if you could help by advice as for what could be done in this issue. The link is provided https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?action=edit&preload=Template%3AUnreviewed-preload&editintro=Template%3AUnreviewed-editintro&summary=&nosummary=&prefix=&minor=&title=Roundme&create=Create+a+new+article+directly I am very confussed and upset about this situation and really want to solve the problem! Thanks in advance. Helen roundme (talk) 14:29, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

The article seems to be at User:Helen roundme/sandbox.

Helen roundme, there is a blue button at the top of the article that says "Submit article for review". Click that and it will put it in a queue for review. It may take a couple weeks for someone to get to it as there is a large queue. Dismas| 14:37, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

@Helen roundme:. There is a draft article at Draft:roundme, which you could make your contributions to and then submit for review via the articles for creation process. However, the fact that you are trying to create an article containing your own username may suggest you have a conflict of interest. Pppery (talk) 14:41, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you a lot for the comments! I do understand this conflict of interest might be the biggest issue stopping me from creation even a new article unfortunatelly. How can I technically avoid this conflict of interest then? Shall I change my username on the same account? If so how can I do it? Or maybe there are any other possible options? Looking forward to your replies! Thanks.Helen roundme (talk) 18:03, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

@Helen roundme: You seem to be misunderstanding what a conflict of interest is. A conflict of interest is something that you as an editor (might) have. It is not something that can be technically avioded. I was just speculating based on the fact that you are trying to create an article containing part of your username. See the guideline I linked to in my previous comment (WP:COI) for further information. Pppery (talk) 18:26, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Finding a particular edit ?

How does one find when and who added a particular word or phrase to an article (without having to scan though hundreds or even thousands of diffs)? Aoziwe (talk) 16:28, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

WP:WIKIBLAME. Dismas| 16:30, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Perfect - thanks Aoziwe (talk) 02:04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Creating Misplaced Pages page for my company

I read the conflict of interest page and I understand that creating a Wiki Page for the company I work in might constitute a conflict of interest. However, it is a major company in the aerospace industry and, surprisingly, it does not have a wikipedia page yet. Can I go ahead and create a wikipedia page and let other fellow wikipedians review the conflict of interest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ibuildseats (talk • contribs) 16:31, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, if your company is passes WP:GNG, you can request that an article be created via WP:REQ. However there is no guarantee that it would be created. Misplaced Pages articles by-and-large are created by volunteer editors with no connection to the subject and using information obtained via reliable independent sources. It is generally discouraged, though not prohibited, for WP:COI reasons for an editor to write about something with which they have a close connection. Eagleash (talk) 17:22, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

@Ibuildseats: Eagleash's suggestions are good, though you may also go with the articles for creation process. There you write a draft article, that will only get pushed to mainspace after being reviewed and accepted by a veteran editor (who might suggest/require changes). Just be open about your conflict of interest.

Note also that paid editing must be disclosed (see the link for details); if your company specifically asks that you edit their page, it qualifies as paid editing. (If it is not the case, you still have a WP:COI, and it is better to disclose it though not mandatory.) Tigraan 10:48, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Work in Marketing for a bank -- how can I add information to our Misplaced Pages page?

I work on the Marketing team at IBERIABANK. We currently have a Misplaced Pages page, but I have never edited it or added any information to it. Our head of Communications would like us to "improve" the page. It sounds like Marketing/PR teams are not supposed to directly edit the page, so what is the best way to get the page updated? I have read several articles online, and they mention using the "Talk" page - but if I click on "Talk" from our IBERIABANK page, I get this: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:IBERIABANK and I am not sure where I am supposed to go from there.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Emilia Anderson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emiliaanderson (talk • contribs) 18:52, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Emiliaanderson. On that page you would click the button near the top that says, "New section" and an edit window will popup. You want to put {{request edit}} followed by a detailed summary of the changes you want made and reference to sources supporting the changes. Please read this page on what constitutes a reliable source so you know what kind of sources Misplaced Pages deems acceptable. A good rule of thumb is that sources must be about the company, supporting any assertion you want made in the article, but produced independently of the company; in other words, avoid the company's website, press releases, news articles generated from press releases, the company's marketing materials, etc. Once that is done, wait to see if anyone responds. If a reasonable time passes (2-4 weeks) with no response, come back here and ask for help. ~ ONUnicornproblem solving 18:59, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, ONUnicorn. I am new to all of this! I did take a look at the "reliable sources" page, but if we aren't able to use our website, press releases, or news articles generated from press releases then how would be add information about an acquisition (for example). What would be a reliable source for that information?

Emiliaanderson, for the uncontroversial fact that company A acquired company B on such and such a date, the company's own website would probably be adequate; but if one of the companies is notable in Misplaced Pages's sense (i.e., there is substantial indpendent material published about it), I would be surprised if an independent report of the acquisition cannot be found, eg in the financial press. If a non-independent source is used, then only the bare facts can be reported from it, and not (eg) anything about the purpose or goal of acquiring the company. --ColinFine (talk) 19:24, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

(Edit conflict: Basically, what ColinFine said.) :Emiliaanderson, take a look at the sources used in Attempted purchase of Time Warner Cable by Comcast, an article about a (failed) acquisition. They are mostly news articles, yes, but they primarily represent original reporting by news agencies instead of a rehash of press releases. ~ ONUnicornproblem solving 19:33, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

I took a look at articles rated as good by our WikiProject Finance and there's a few examples that hopefully steer you in the right direction. Check out articles such as The_Blackstone_Group, Chemical_Bank, JPMorgan Chase remembering that we're an encyclopaedia so that should guide you in considering what content is appropriate. Good luck, CaptRik (talk) 20:06, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks ONUnicorn and ColinFine, very helpful! We aren't a huge national bank, so most of the news stories about our acquisitions are pushed our via a press release and then picked up. But I will definitely look around. I would mostly like to add our Company History and a few other very factual pieces of information. Nothing about our products and services that could be taken as marketing material. I will submit some information for approval and see what happens!

Mars symbol (♂) in editor attributes

I've noticed this some time ago, but have pretty much ignored it up to now. Can anyone tell me what the Mars symbol (U+2642, ♂) is supposed to indicate when hovering over the Talk page link for another editor to see their edit count and other attributes? E.g.:

♂, reviewer, rollbacker, 8932 edits since: 2006-01-11, last edit on 2016-06-27

The symbol appears for some, but not all, editors, and I've not been able to figure out its meaning. General Ization 21:26, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

@General Ization: That is the symbol for male. It would only appear if the editor has selected "He edits" in their preferences. It was added as part of an edit request for popups. The female symbol will also appear if the person has selected "She edits" in their preferences. --Majora (talk) 21:28, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

See Gender symbol. --Majora (talk) 21:29, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Uh, yes, I'm quite well aware that the Mars symbol has that meaning, but I wasn't aware that Misplaced Pages was identifying editors by gender, or how it might determine an editor's gender. I do see the Internationalization section in Preferences, and the question: "How do you prefer to be described? ( ) (When mentioning you, the software will use gender neutral words whenever possible) ( ) She edits wiki pages ( ) He edits wiki pages". Is this the source of the symbol? Also, I must say I've seen few if any Venus symbols (♀) in the same display, even for editors I have some reason to think are female. General Ization 21:36, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Ah, I think I was replying as you were typing your expanded reply. Thanks. General Ization 21:38, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

It depends on whether or not the editor has taken the time to indicate their gender in their preferences. I didn't make a selection (nor do I plan to) and therefore neither symbol shows up in my popup. Frankly, I don't think the gender picker in the preferences has any other effect. At least not that I know of. Perhaps some templates make use of it but I'm not actually aware of one. It was a long standing request at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-popups.js and was fulfilled rather recently. --Majora (talk) 21:45, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

I thought it was a fairly recent development. Like you, I think, I don't really have any interest in wearing my gender like a badge. I'm sure I responded to the question in Preferences some years back, not understanding or expecting it would have that effect. I'm actually surprised there was consensus to implement this feature. General Ization 21:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages has a large majority of male editors, and female editors may also be less inclined to publish their gender. The preferences setting is public and is used by some templates made specifically for the purpose like {{He or she}}, but such templates are rarely used. There are other languages where the setting is used to determine whether the equivalent of "User:" in userspace should use a female form of the word but there is no such difference in English. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:56, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Makes sense; I can see the reason to ask editors the question, and how some templates might reasonably use it to achieve improved natural language, but the addition of the gender symbol in the editor attributes display I was referring to is apparently relatively new and, I think, surprising. General Ization 22:01, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Going down the rabbit hole of links. It looks like it was discussed in two places per this. The links in that post were archived, so after spelunking a little bit I found the originals. Here and here. I don't think there was anything else besides that and there certainly wasn't any discussion on the mediawiki talk page. Those pages don't get much traffic anyways and a discussion there would be rather pointless. --Majora (talk) 22:04, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Sandbox problem

Hello - I created a record for in my sandbox. This has been reviewed and accepted. But there is something strange... my sandbox entry appears online ie User:Hkb/sandbox appears as a named person in the Category:Royal Numismatic Society Medallists I'm not sure why this has happened - please could you help? Thank you! Helen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hkb (talk • contribs) 21:48, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

You applied mainspace categories to the copy of the article residing in your Sandbox. I have disabled them, and your sandbox will no longer appear in those categories. General Ization 21:52, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

June 28

Unlocking A Protected Page

Our company's page is locked and all the information is outdated. The user who locked the page is no longer with the company and has been for years. How do we unlocked the page or delete it so we can create a new fresh page?

I am the promotions director for WZBH 93.5 the beach (radio station)and attempting to update the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:153:703:2A60:4972:E648:D62A:4162 (talk) 00:05, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

The page was locked by an admin, not by whoever worked for you, because of biographies on living people issues. It will not be unlocked and that is not the correct forum to request that anyways. You can request edits to the page by clicking on "view source" at the top and then the "submit an edit request button." Please note that all requests must be specific, in a "change x to y" format, and must be accompanied by a reliable source. --Majora (talk) 00:18, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

It is not your company's page: it is Misplaced Pages's article about your company. Misplaced Pages is concerned that it be accurate and up to date according to independent reliably-published information, but has very little interest in what the company says or wishes to say. You are welcome to suggest edits on the talk page (preferably backed up by reliable published sources), but you are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly. --ColinFine (talk) 10:01, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Jodie Dry

Ref number 1 is all wrong. Please fix 144.139.149.95 (talk) 02:37, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error ref too many keys

Hi -- In my proposed article for Misplaced Pages : Draft:Penny Thompson, I have cited the same article from the Miami Herald 3x and was trying to consolidate. This article is the obit for Penny Thompson and supports a number of different facts about her in my article.....have read Misplaced Pages several times about doing multiple citations from same source, but obviously, I am not doing it right.....My apologies....I am waving the white flag for help! The article is from Pg. B-1, September 23, 1975, Miami Herald, with headline: "Columnist's 'Good Wife,' Penny Thompson, Is Dead" 02:52, 28 June 2016 (UTC)Fleejoseph (talk) 03:08, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Fleejoseph, I've fixed it here. Dismas| 03:15, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Jodie Dry

Please see above concerns re the ONLY citation on this page. Thank you101.182.117.21 (talk) 04:45, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Eagleash (talk) 07:01, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

How to run something like-

How to run something like- --Aryan ( है?) 12:02, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:How to run an edit-a-thon. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:04, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

ISIN - International Securities Identification Number

Hello,

I've been in a rather frustrating editing "war" on this page over the "Controversy" section: I work for an organization that issues ISIN's and has direct knowledge of the case cited in that section. I have added notes explain why the Controversy section was misleading or incorrect, yet two IP addresses keep undoing my edits (although, it's worth noting, without any justification or citation for WHY the original text should stand). Not sure what the protocol is, but the parties behind the IP addresses continue to reinsert opinion over fact in what was a legal matter.

Hope you can help stop the back and forth.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbastian19 (talk • contribs) 12:18, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Mbastian19, what we call original research is not to be used for articles. Information should come from reliable sources which can be cited. So, unless you have sources which can be cited, then what is cited (however wrong it may be) must remain. Dismas| 15:00, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Cat-a-lot

Over at Commons, there's a useful gadget that allows lots of pages to be moved, copied, or removed from a category with just a few quick clicks: "Cat-A-Lot". I've seen it in occasional use here, but much less than at Commons. How does one implement it? It's not in Gadgets or anywhere else in Preferences, as far as I can tell (in my Commons preferences, it's in a section of Gadgets that doesn't exist here), and while Commons:Help:Gadget-Cat-a-lot gives a link for users of the English Misplaced Pages to get instructions, it goes to a page that doesn't provide any instructions. Nyttend (talk) 12:45, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

@Nyttend: I've not tried it, but a number of editors have added User:קיפודנחש/cat-a-lot.js to their common.js configurations. -- John of Reading (talk) 13:03, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) See User:קיפודנחש. Add importScript('User:קיפודנחש/cat-a-lot.js'); to your Special:Mypage/common.js —  crh ₂₃  (Talk) 13:05, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

For future reference, I found this by going to Misplaced Pages:User scripts#Cat-a-lot as you did, hitting source and then going to the parent page, where there are instructions. —  crh ₂₃  (Talk) 13:07, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

I am editing

List of Holocaust memorials and museums in the United States and just subdivided the article into individual states and the table of contents is taking up too much space. I know that there is a way to have the ToC run down the right side, or left side for that matter, of the page, thus saving space and looking better. But I don't know how to do it and figure that it is faster and safer to just ask here than go looking for and try to emulate some other article. Can you help? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 15:57, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

See WP:TOC and learn to fish... metaphorically. Dismas| 17:01, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

The Lists of lighthouses and lightvessels was improved by changing the ToC, so I made a similar change. Hope it helps...Jokulhlaup (talk) 17:09, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

It helps and I'd rather starve than eat fish. Carptrash (talk) 18:42, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Cat help requested

Although I use categories, I'm not conversant with the finer points of categorization, particularly in the case of parent and child categories. It appears that in some cases an article ought to be in both in other cases one or the other.

As background I'm trying to help a reader understand why some middle distance runners do not appear in the category Category:British middle-distance runners. There are various aspects to the answer but one aspect hinges on my understanding of the meaning of "non-diffusing parent category". In particular, I found one runner in the category Category:English middle-distance runners but not in Category:British middle-distance runners. If I read the explanation correctly, anyone in the English category should also be in the British category. Empirically that's not true so I'm trying to ascertain whether that's an error or if I am misunderstanding the concept.

If it is an error and the British category should be added to articles in the English category, I urge that no one make a change to Christina Boxer. I'm using that as an example for the reader and hope to encourage them to become an editor by fixing this if it needs fixing.--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:47, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

You're right, but there are exceptions. British is a nationality. English is an ethnicity. I edit sports articles and have come across English immigrants who have been Australian citizens. Such sportsmen may consider themselves English but not British. At the same time, in general, the English people categories have generally been subsumed by the Brit people categories to such an extent that it was only recently I guess that the Brit census too included English as a separate category to tick off (I might be wrong here but)... So in general, if the English person is Brit too, I guess both categories should be placed on the article. Lourdes 18:19, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

I apologize for the following tangent: isn't a citizen of England "English", and isn't England a part of Britain? --A puzzled yank:2606:A000:4C0C:E200:8909:BFA1:BA09:8D73 (talk) 19:22, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

There is no such thing as a "citizen of England." One can be a citizen of the UK and be a resident of England, Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland, and independently be of English, Welsh, Scottish or Northern Irish ethnicity (or any other ethnicity from anywhere in the world). If Northern Irish, one might have the option of being considered British for some purposes and Irish for others – see for example Rory McIlroy.

In some sporting contexts (per the OP) England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are considered separate entities and have separate teams, such as the current UEFA Euro 2016 Football (soccer) Competition; in others there is a UK team encompassing all four, e.g. The Olympic Games (in which it is confusingly called "Team GB"), though again Northern Irish competitors can opt to compete for Eire instead, while in some sports an All-Ireland team can exist in parallel to Eire, NI and UK teams. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 185.74.232.130 (talk) 14:37, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

It's past time to get rid of this unhelpful "diffusing" and "non-diffusing" idea. Time to use common sense here and put it just in the child category, and in the process you'd follow the Commons policy instead, in which pages aren't permitted to remain in child and parent categories with basically only one exception (search for "Merkel" there), which is actually rather simple. Permitting parent and child categories to appear together is confusing for everyone except wikispecialists: it goes against common sense and against basic principles of thesaurus organization, which is what our category tree is supposed to be; you won't see this in proper applications of similar professional-designed systems, e.g. the Library of Congress Classification. Nyttend (talk) 20:07, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Changing the photo in the infobox of my business's wiki page

Hi, I have an updated photograph of the Guelph Civic Museum, but I'm not sure how to upload it and swap it with the old photo. Is there a way someone can help me through this process? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aboughen (talk • contribs) 19:21, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Aboughen. The first question is, what is the copyright status of the photo? If you took it yourself, then you can upload it and release it under a suitable licence as you go; but if you are not the holder of the copyright, then you do not have that power: you would need the copyright holder to explicitly release it under a suitable licence: see donating copyright materials. (Note that permission to use the picture on Misplaced Pages is not enough: we require that materials be released under a licence that allows anybody to reuse them for any purpose). In either case, you can upload it to Wikimedia commons by using the Upload wizard. Once you have done that, you can edit Guelph Civic Museum to replace the filename of the existing picture with the new one (you have to get it exactly right, as to case, punctuation, and file extension).

Please also be aware that, as an employee of the Museum (judging from your title), you have a conflict of interest, and you are discouraged from editing the article. Having said that, replacing the picture is probably fine, but you still should declare your position, and if you are in any sense being paid to do this, you must make the declaration called for in WP:PAID. --ColinFine (talk) 19:46, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, as ColinFine stated , if you took the photograph yourself – then simple. Just upload it to Wikimedia Commons. If you did not however, then simple again, just ask the photographer to email a OTRS to Wikimedia Commmons -then upload it. This link even provides a template for the email. It may seem complicated the first time around but becomes simple to follow if one need to do it on future occasions. As a museum they must have plenty of opportunities to preserve cultural images on Wikimedia Commons. If you work for this org and have trouble with the management agreeing with the licensing conditions, then remind them about the parable of the lamp under a bushel where no man see it. This is why so many orgs now support Creative Commons licences. More people get to become aware of the 'lamp' through freely available images.--Aspro (talk) 22:31, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

The Author of the portrait of Jacques Jarrige: by Claire LE DOUARON and not by Wolfgang Hershey Laboratories nor Garett Linn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/Jacques_Jarrige — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.123.36.247 (talk) 20:21, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Claire LE DOUARON. Paris . FRANCE. Working as photographer with Jacques Jarrige in France. This portrait of JACQUES JARRIGE is mine. I took them in Jacques Jarrige's studio, 4 rue des frères Lumières - 94150 La Queue en Brie - FRANCE, le 10/10/20214.

INFORMATIONS SUR LA PHOTO Image L: 2691 pixels H: 1733 pixels Date originale: 10/10/2014. 15:11:10 Date numérisée: 10/10/2014 15:11:10

Fichier Nom: P1030363 copy_2.jpg Taille: 1,6 Mo Modifié: 13/10/2014 11:10:50 Importé: 11/10/2014 11:19:49

Appareil photo Fabricant: Panasonic Modèle: DMC-GM1 Logiciel: Adobe Photoshop CS5

Garett Linn, in Wolfgang Hershey Laboratories, works for Valerie Goodman who represents Jacques Jarrige in her Gallery in NYC. NONE OF BOTH ASK ME TO USE IT. Perhaps, they pick up on the personnal web site of jacques Jarrige. Because Jacques Jarrige is my friend, I ACCEPT this use, but I WANT TO SEE MY NAME as the AUTHOR.

If you want to verify what I say, you can ask Jacques Jarrige himself. Thanking you in advance, Best regards. Claire LE DOUARON — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.123.36.247 (talk) 20:18, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Since this file is hosted on commons (c:File:Jaques Jarrige at work.jpg, I recommend you email the support team at copyvio@wikimedia.org and explain the issue. As a further note, for the file to continue to be used it needs to be under an open license compatible with CC-BY-SA, which means anyone can use it (with attribution) —  crh ₂₃  (Talk) 20:55, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Claire Le Douaron, I have deleted the image, since it's clearly taken from , its use here without proven permission is a violation of our policies, and use without permission in the first place is a copyright infringement. Thank you for your offer to permit its use; at the moment we can't use it, but as Crh23 says, we'd be happy to use it with proof of a "free license". For "free license", please see À propos des licences; as Crh23 notes, we only accept images if anyone may use them for any purpose. To prove permission, you can ask the http://www.jacquesjarrige.com webmaster to include a permission statement, or you can email a permission statement to permissions-frwikimedia.org; the first would merely need to state the free license for the image, but the second would need to specify both the license and your identity, and you will need to use an email address related to Jarrige's website. I'm sorry that we have all of these requirements, but it's necessary to protect copyright holders; anyone can claim to be the copyright holder, so we need to make sure that permission statements really come from the copyright holder. Nyttend (talk) 21:23, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Changing redirect

Heading added —  crh ₂₃  (Talk) 20:51, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

How can I sever the redirection of Royal Aero Club Records Racing and Rally Association to Royal Aero Club?

Petechilcott (talk) 20:32, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

See Help:Redirect. If you go to Royal Aero Club Records Racing and Rally Association, you'll end up at Royal Aero Club, but you'll see a little (Redirected from Royal Aero Club Records Racing and Rally Association) message at the top. Click the link in that message to go to the redirect. From there, click the "edit" button, just as you would on any other page. You can then replace the redirect code (#REDIRECT ]) with something else; this will cause it to stop redirecting. But why do you want to do this? If you want to replace it with an article, that's fine. If you want it to do nothing at all, you should take it to RFD with a deletion request. I can help you with that, if you want to see it deleted. Nyttend (talk) 22:21, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

How do I post or upload a PDF file to Misplaced Pages?

How do I post or upload a PDF file to Misplaced Pages? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:09, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Special:Upload tolerates PDFs (or at least the one at Commons does; I've never tried here); just do everything just as you would any other type of file. Nyttend (talk) 22:22, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. But, that's my question. I have never posted or uploaded any type of file, PDF or otherwise. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:42, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

It's exactly the same as an image, Joseph A. Spadaro, and the WP:Upload wizard will help you upload to Commons or Misplaced Pages as appropriate. (Copyright considerations are also the same as for an image.) Having said that, it is comparatively unusual for there to be reason to upload a PDF: why do you want to do so? --ColinFine (talk) 08:58, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I ripped a page out of a magazine. The page has a good article on it. I wanted to scan the page as a PDF. And then post it as an "External link" in the Misplaced Pages article. And, also, post it on the article Talk Page. The article is: Amy Archer-Gilligan. And possibly Arsenic and Old Lace. Is this allowed or not? I am not familiar with all this copyright mumbo-jumbo. And I have never downloaded/uploaded/posted a file of any sort before, PDF or otherwise. So I have no idea what I am doing. And no idea if it's allowed. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:14, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Does the magazine not own the copyright to the page you have copied? Dbfirs 16:58, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I'd say that would almost certainly be a copyright violation. The only way it could be not is if the magazine has explicitly released the content under a permissive license, which is rather unlikely. —  crh ₂₃  (Talk) 17:04, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I can think of no reason why you shouldn't simply cite the article without the .pdf, since that latter would of course be a copyright violation. There has never been, nor will there (probably ever) be, an requirement that citations contain an internet link. In this era of Photoshop, your "external link", for that matter, could be an altered or otherwise falsified faux-copy of the actual article. It's certainly been known to happen. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:57, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

So, without internet links, how does anyone on Misplaced Pages verify what the original source says? Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 04:21, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

The same way everyone checked references before there was an Internet. Go to a library and look at the cited book, check a newspaper's archives, find a copy of the cited journal... Rwessel (talk) 23:36, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Penny Thompson

Draft:Penny Thompson

Before I submit article "Penny Thompson" wondered if there are any glaring issues I need to correct/address first? Thanks very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fleejoseph (talk • contribs) 22:11, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't have any comments on the article itself (except "looks good!"); but I found the section on the "flying car" especially interesting. If you can find more info on that, our articles on Roadable aircraft and ERCO Ercoupe could use some updating. I found Bryan Autoplane which had one model based on Ercoupe, but the date doesn't match, and it only seats one person. --Anyway, ... happy editing!  ;)  --2606:A000:4C0C:E200:8909:BFA1:BA09:8D73 (talk) 23:26, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, good work. Thanks. However, I believe that there is a Misplaced Pages "rule" about capitalization within heading titles. So, for example, you would not have a heading called "Early Years" (upper-case "Y"). Rather, it would be "Early years" (lower-case "y"). Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:45, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Indeed. Joseph and Fleejoseph, this is in WP:HEADING where it says that headings should be in sentence case and not title case. Dismas| 13:21, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Note: Penny Thompson is now in mainspace. --2606:A000:4C0C:E200:6D88:8CAA:4690:9602 (talk) 18:27, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

How do I make categories possible on my page?

Hello, I'm an entertainer building my page. My other friends with entertainment sites on wiki have categories like

Early Years

Career

Personal Life

etc. I don't know how to get these categories on my page. All I can do is fill out one long autobiographical page. Please advise. Thanks, CarlyCarly Ozard (talk) 23:47, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Carly, those are called headings, not categories. Categories are a different thing here on Misplaced Pages. And you can see an example of a heading at the top of this section here which gives you an example of the code.

That said... Misplaced Pages is not a web host for your personal autobiography. In fact, autobiographies are not allowed. If you are notable enough by Misplaced Pages standards, then an article can be written about you but the creator that article should not be you or anyone directly affiliated with you such as a friend, manager, or promoter. That is because you and those people have a conflict of interest and will find it hard to write about you in a neutral and encyclopedic way. Dismas| 01:08, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I think she means her User Page, and not an article about her proper. See: User:Carly Ozard. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:29, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I've seen it. I was thinking more specifically about the first item at WP:NOTWEBHOST but pointed Carly to the more general WP:NOT at first. Dismas| 01:33, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Back to the original question. If you want a heading (not a category) named "Early years", you simply type the phrase "Early years" with two equal signs before it and two equal signs after it. So, you would type == Early years ==. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:35, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I took the liberty of adding a {{userpage}} template. --2606:A000:4C0C:E200:8909:BFA1:BA09:8D73 (talk) 01:39, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Carly Ozard, I'm afraid that that material is inappropriate for a user page: please see WP:USERPAGE. You may put limited biographical information on your user page, but it relates to you as a Misplaced Pages aditor. Put bluntly, there is nowhere on Misplaced Pages where you may "build a page" in the way you are attempting. We are an encyclopaedia, which consists of neutrally written articles about subjects, which summarise what independent reliable sources say about the subject. Misplaced Pages has almost no interest in anything that a person (or a company, or a band) says about themselves. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 09:05, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

June 29

Non-English Disambiguation pages

Do we have a precedent of how to handle pages like this one? I'm not sure how useful that will be to an average English reader so I thought I'd ask here before sending it to AfD. Feinoha 01:50, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

• Redirected. Lourdes 06:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

  I added the "foreign language redirect" category (let's have a thought for the poor WP:Wikignomes who maintain the redirects). Tigraan 16:25, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Fatal exception of type "Exception"

My original account is User:Tot Samyj Niekto (which before named as User:Михаил Марчук) but i can't log in there so i created this new account. When i try to log in there, instead of loging in i saw this text: Fatal exception of type "Exception", what is it?, what can i do?, will suggest to me someone, please? --Mouchmar (talk) 07:13, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Is Fatal exception of type "Exception" the exact wording of the message? I have heard of login messages Exception encountered, of type "Exception" and Fatal exception of type MWException, but your variant gives me no search hits. Special:GlobalRenameProgress/Tot Samyj Niekto shows a number of wikis where the rename is "In progress". Can you log in at one of those? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:51, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I've tried to log in en.wikipedia.org just now. No, i can't. Full message: 2016-06-29 10:57:14: Fatal exception of type "Exception"--Mouchmar (talk) 11:06, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

When i tried to log in arz.wikipedia.org: 2016-06-29 11:24:42: Fatal exception of type "Exception", just and numbers changed but Fatal exception of type "Exception" the same. --Mouchmar (talk) 11:29, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Did the problem start after the rename? meta:Special:CentralAuth/Tot Samyj Niekto shows the rename was 21:11, 27 June 2016. Help:Logging in#Login issues and problems and phab:T119736 (not about renames) mention the message Exception encountered, of type "Exception". Maybe your account has a rename variant of that issue. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:34, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, after the rename. And Exception encountered, of type "Exception" was in the beginning, but then it became Fatal exception of type "Exception" with and date.--Mouchmar (talk) 12:08, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I have posted your case to phab:T119736. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:29, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. --Mouchmar (talk) 12:36, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

• The problem is actually with Global Rename Progress. There is a bug, discussions on which can be seen at phab:T137973. Till it gets resolved, you probably won't be able to use your new account. Sorry for that. Lourdes 13:23, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. Mouchmar (talk) 13:59, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on World Wide Web Consortium

Reference help requested.

Thanks, Craft6789 (talk) 07:26, 29 June 2016 (UTC) By

Fixed by Joshuagay in Special:Diff/711378800.
BTW, there's more pages with similar error in Category:Pages with empty citations. --CiaPan (talk) 09:29, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I tried to create a company page. It has been a draft for over 2 weeks. How do I publish it?

I have made my Company Page on Misplaced Pages. It's called "A Travel Duet". However, it is in the draft mode. How do I make it a published article? https://en.wikipedia.org/Draft:A_Travel_Duet

Please help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyaa89 (talk • contribs) 09:51, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, unfortunately, Misplaced Pages is not a place where people should write an article about a subject with which they have a close association. Please see WP:COI for more information. As a rule, articles are written about people, companies, etc. by volunteer editors, independent of the subject and who gather information from reliable (see WP:RS) third party sources. Subjects of articles also have to pass Wiki's rather stringent rules on notability. I note that you have recently added the review tag and that should therefore take place within a few days. Although you have some references to decent sources, the page as it stands might well be rejected at review as being too promotional. However, that does not necessarily mean it cannot ultimately be published...if any issues noted at review can be satisfactorily addressed. Eagleash (talk) 10:43, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Nyaas89. Like many people, I'm afraid you have a misunderstanding about what Misplaced Pages is. Misplaced Pages does not have such a thing as a "Company Page". It has articles, many of them about companies. They are (or should be) based almost 100% on what people who have no connection with the company have published in reliable places. What the company, or its friends, employees, and associates, say about it, is of almost no interest to Misplaced Pages. So Pritish Shah's blog is of no value in supporting such an article; (blogs are in any case hardly ever regarded as reliable sources). And though the Times of India is no doubt a reliable source, it is simply quoting Shah, so it is not an independent source. In order for Misplaced Pages to have an article about A Travel Duet, it must be almost 100% taken from sources completely independent of Shah or the company. Please study Your first article.

Furthermore, if you are connected with the company (as it seems from your question), you have a Conflict of interest, and should declare it. If you are in any way remunerated by the company, you must declare this according to WP:PAID. --ColinFine (talk) 12:43, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Help: replace deleted material in 'The Poison Kiss ' opera by Vaughan Williams

I was adding to 'The Poison kiss"' an opera by Vaughan Williams the fact that it had been performed by Cheltenham Grammar School around 1957 but the end of the article saying it was performed in the Bronx in 2011 has disappeared. I cannot work out how to fix it and get back the deleted part. I do not know enough about computers to know what the words you are using mean-------------- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.75.150.172 (talk) 11:30, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Your edit had a starting <ref> but missed a matching ending </ref>. See more at Help:Referencing for beginners. But I have reverted the edit. "personal reminiscences" is not an allowed source per Misplaced Pages:Verifiability, and a grammar school performance does not sound notable for an encyclopedia article. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:18, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

How to change name of listing

We are referenced as the Old Mill Inn & Spa but legally changed our company name a few years ago to Old Mill Toronto. How can we update this information in Misplaced Pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.124.174.11 (talk) 13:40, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Hello, as you have a conflict of interest (WP:COI), you should probably not edit the page yourself. The page can be moved (as it is known on Misplaced Pages) by any registered user whose account complies with some (quite) minimal conditions (four days old, ten edits). It should be noted that the boldname was changed some time ago to Old MIll Toronto, by an editor who also seems to have a close association with the article subject. You can place a request on the article talk-page or at WP:RM or if you can provide a source for the name here at the help desk, I'm sure a helpful editor will move it for you. Eagleash (talk) 13:57, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Since the place's Web site calls it the Old Mill Toronto, I've gone ahead and moved the article. Deor (talk) 14:06, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

As even at least one of the sources the article uses (the Toronto Star), already refers to just the "Old Mill," I will be bold and make the move now. But the advice on COI editing is fundamental. _Muffled 14:08, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)It's been moved with this edit. However there is a page Old Mill, Toronto referring to a district, so some dab might be needed. Eagleash (talk)

Update: I've added hatnotes, (& updated the disamb page) but if anything else is needed, please feel free. :) Eagleash (talk) 15:11, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Referencing errors on 16 Days of Activism against Gender-based Violence

Reference help requested.

Hi! I was wondering if you could help me fix the URL error on the 16 Days of Activism against Gender-based Violence page.

Thanks, Alex — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adematos (talk • contribs) 14:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Adematos, the errors are that the URLs cannot be links to files on your own computer, they must be internet addresses. Give the URLs where you originally found the documents, not the copies that you have downloaded. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:17, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid only you can repair the links. I have put a message yesterday on your talk page about the error – and probably only you know, what are the original Web sources for your citations. --CiaPan (talk) 15:06, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi Adematos, just to develop on what others just said in a way a non-computer savy person can understand (hopefully):

Links start by a protocol, describing in machine language how the data is to be found, for instance http:// or file://. The protocol file:// says to look for a file on the local machine on which it is executed, that is, calling it on different computers can yield different results depending on what is stored in the internal memory.

Misplaced Pages and Misplaced Pages readers cannot access the files on your own machine (unless you specifically configure it in this purpose and anyways a local path like file://C:/some/local/directory/file.extension will not work). On the other hand, network protocols like http, https, ftp etc. that point to a valid domain name can be reached by Misplaced Pages readers (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org works on all computers with free access to internet, but https://company-X-intranet/accounting/secret_data.txt is usually not accessible without a computer physically within company X's network).

What can be linked on Misplaced Pages is therefore only what you can access through your browser (Firefox, Internet Explorer / Edge, Chrome and Safari are the most current ones); copy-paste the link from the URL bar (usually located in the upper portion of the screen) once you have found the page again. Tigraan 16:14, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

IMMEDIATE HELP

I moved macOS Sierra to OS X Sierra all other pages of the article are showing heading OS X Sierra but main article and talk page say oS X Sierra. Someone correct it fast. --Varun ☎ 14:45, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Someone else already fixed it here. Dismas| 14:52, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

 Done thanks whoever did it --Varun ☎ 14:53, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

@Dismas: yeah saw it thnx --Varun ☎ 14:54, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Offensive template

This userbox has a pic that says "WTF" which stands for What the f**k. I would request the image in the template be changed as the word isnt appropriate for all. --Varun ☎ 15:25, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

What template is this about? Maproom (talk) 15:42, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

You haven't told us which userbox you are talking about. Also, Misplaced Pages is not censored. —  crh ₂₃  (Talk) 16:28, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Maybe pinging the poster will help. The relevant venue is possibly WP:TFD, but I doubt "WTF" will be considered offensive enough to be removed. The shortcut WP:F*** points to a page that says (basically) that unnecessary and harmful profanity should be removed, but I see a weak case for "unnecessary" and a really bad one for "harmful" here. (I am not even sure "WTF" is considered profanity just because "fuck" is; "pornography" is not profanity though it describes something that is). Tigraan 16:38, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Where "wtf" is likely to be seen by children, it will cause offense to their parents. It should, I think, be removed unless it's there for a good reason. But without knowing the context, it's hard to tell. Maproom (talk) 16:43, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I have seen you do some good work here, Maproom; but a request such as yours is going to be sweepingly rejected by the vast majority of Wikipedians, who find censorship much more offensive and destructive to their children's interests in the 21st century than such a namby-pamby "obscenity" as this. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:06, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Indeed, but I do not expect children to check User: pages. Tigraan 16:45, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks everyone i forgot to link thnx it is Template:User edit summary Varun ☎ 16:53, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

@VarunFEB2003: I see nothing wrong with it and it is used on over 100 user pages. Did you know that we even have a page titled Misplaced Pages:WTF? OMG! TMD TLA. ARG!. What is and what isn't appropriate is completely subjective. And WTF is must less offensive than some of our actual articles/images. That is why we don't censor things. Since censoring just leads down a road where everything and anything that could possibly offend anyone would need to be removed. If you don't like it, ignore it. --Majora (talk) 20:31, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

{{User edit summary}} uses pure text and not an image. If you want to display it on your user page without "WTF?" then you can change it with code like {{Replace|{{User edit summary}}|WTF?|What?}}. This example says "What?" instead. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:12, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I had no prob i hear such things evryday at school. Ok if u find it okay then its good. thnaks for the help. Varun ☎ 05:22, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

There's an old story about somebody who complained to the local policeman about boys singing rude songs outside her house. The policeman had a word with the boys. She then reported that they were now whistling rude songs. --ColinFine (talk) 09:54, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

June 30

regarding the page name RAJNI TIWARI

hello , i have recently made a page titled "Rajni Tiwari" , although I have provided many references to the page yet the page says that "I doesnt contain even a single reference hence it may be deleted within 7 days" . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mishraa1 (talk • contribs) 10:10, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

How Do You Create a User page within all the guidelines?

How Can I create my user page. I just created this account and hove no idea what to do. I have read every referenced article on it in Misplaced Pages and am very extremely confused. This page seems like it can help me ( It is called the Help desk on every article about articles about how to make articles I have gone to). I wanted to also create a draft for it before I made it live to hopefully run it with a volunteer and see if it was fine. But I got confused on the article to make drafts and all of the guidelines. Is what I am asking violating any of the rules and guidelines? I hope I haven't broken any here! Should I put references to these Misplaced Pages articles? Please help me here! I read above while editing this question about article that I should, so I will. Also, what is a template? Are these the wrong questions to be asking here? Am I doing anything wrong? Have I done anything wrong? Why is this so hard to understand? Is that question against the guidelines? Can someone explain why all these brackets? Am I allowed to just copu and paste links? let me know if how I put the links in is wrong, because as you (the reader/ whoever gets this) can see (or read) that I have no idea how to do this. I am impossible to explain things to,so I might need several answers or an entire article to explain to me why all these articles of articles on articles about making articles about whatever the article is on and what are all the rules in doing so. I hope I am not causing anyone any problems. Please help. I have tons more questions, but I don't know if they are answerable, or if they belong here, or what. Do any of the questions that I have asked here and am asking (this question) belong here? Are they against guidelines? Someone please help. As I said before, I will blankly post links and I know they are going to be posted wrong because an article posted on this subject said something about bracketing and some what, but I don't understand. Have I written this wrong? Well anyways, here are the links: 1.) https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User:Ivan_Zarco/sandbox/Ivan_Zarco&action=edit&preload=Template%3AArticle+wizard%2Fuserpageskeleton&editintro=Misplaced Pages%3AArticle+wizard%2FWizard-New+edit+instructions+userdraft&summary=&nosummary=&minor=

2.)https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Where_to_get_feedback_on_an_article_you%27ve_just_created

3.)https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:So_you_made_a_userspace_draft

4.)https://en.wikipedia.org/Help:Link#Wikilinks

5.)https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:User_pages#What_may_I_have_in_my_user_pages.3F

6.)https://en.wikipedia.org/Help:Editing

7.)https://en.wikipedia.org/Help:Cheatsheet

I also have many questions about the user page and what I can put for links. I will need a personto help me.

             Ivan Zarco (talk) 11:48, 30 June 2016 (UTC)Ivan Zarco

P.S. Did I do anything wrong here, please let me know.

Ivan Zarco (talk) 11:48, 30 June 2016 (UTC)Ivan Zarco

@Ivan Zarco: Firstly, welcome to Misplaced Pages. I can't see what you've previously written, as it was deleted, but it appears you created a promotional article, or a CV/Resume, on your personal user page. This page is not for hosting Misplaced Pages articlea, and also not an appropriate use of that page as it's intended use is to tell fellow editors a little bit about you and to assist your editing (see WP:USERPAGE.

We have an Article Wizard that will guide you through the process of creating a draft article and then submitting it for review before it's included in the encyclopedia. I strongly advise you to use that. Please remember that this is an encyclopedia, so CV/Resumes are never appropriate content for articles. See the page Your first article for more explanation.

In order for an article to be approved, it must meet our notability guidelines and also have references for all the content. If you do not have these, you'll find you won't have much success if getting approval for the article to be included.

One suggestion is to read other articles on a similar subject that are already included in the encyclopedia and see how they are written and what sorts of sources they use. That should give you a good idea of what the expectation here is.

To answer some of your other questions, you're in the correct venue on this page to ask questions - I hope some of these answers make sense. Feel free to ask any further questions by editing this section and asking further questions. CaptRik (talk) 12:40, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

what's the best way to publish an article on wikipedia

I'm new to Wiki, and am little confused. I want to submit an article to wiki. But I'm not sure about how to go about it. Is 'going through the article wizard' is the best way? Or, one can start with 'stub' way?

Regards, Dr. Dabby — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr. Dabby (talk • contribs) 12:13, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Dr. Dabby You can sign your comments automatically using four tildes ~~~~. The wizard walks you through the process and creates as a draft initially, which provides some protection. If you create an article directly, it will be immediately subject to appraisal and possible deletion procedures Jimfbleak - talk to me? 12:25, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages:Your first article. --CiaPan (talk) 12:32, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

When I look at my list of Misplaced Pages contributions ...

When I look at my list of Misplaced Pages contributions, most are listed with a normal date. Some, however, are listed with the date crossed out (struck through) and in gray font. What does that represent? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 14:29, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

They have been WP:REVDEL'd by an Administrator as content viewable within your diffs would have contained something unacceptable. It's almost certainly not your contributions that are the problem, merely what would be displayed if you view that specific revision of the page. CaptRik (talk) 14:35, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

• Joseph, I've reviewed your contributions and don't see anything like what you describe. Can you point out the exact diffs? Lourdes 14:38, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

@Xender Lourdes:, I see what he's referring to here Special:Contributions/Joseph_A._Spadaro. Look at the contributions at 02:45, 02:47 and 02:55 on the 29th June. Looking at the history of Misplaced Pages:Reference_desk/Language you can see they are part of a large set of redacted edits. CaptRik (talk) 14:41, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

They have in fact been oversighted. Admins can tell because even they can't see the deleted revisions. It's not so easy for non-admins to tell, but one giveaway is that there are no visible log entries for the deletions in the history of the page. Since the username was also removed, this can also be caused by stewards locking an account. -- zzuuzz 14:42, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks CaptRik. Joseph, zzuuzz is absolutely right. The entires have been oversighted by an oversighter Mike V, but not because of stewards locking any account, but because of an editor forgetting to sign in while posting a new section. Although I know the editor's name, I shan't place it here. Not an issue with your contributions anyway. Lourdes 14:45, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Glad I learned something too :-) CaptRik (talk) 15:42, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, but ... I did not understand one word of the above discussion. So, can someone explain in plain English what this is all about and what this means? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:29, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

For the edits on 29 June... Just before you edited, someone edited without having logged in revealing their IP address. After they realized this, they asked (and Mike V responded) to make it so the email IP address couldn't be seen. All of the edits that included the IP address including yours up until that point were made inaccessible. This is shown in your contribution with the cross-out grey.Naraht (talk) 16:35, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

In case you wonder why this has been done, IP adresses are personal information - it allows to roughly know a computer's physical location, and it allows to track across multiple internet websites (which is a feature, not a bug; but still, there is a difference between "Misplaced Pages's webmaster knows your IP" and "anyone reading the page knows your IP").

I corrected you, Naraht. Hope you do not mind. Tigraan 17:02, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

A serious issue

I noted this big mistake on Misplaced Pages. This mistake is that Template:Service award progress states that to proceed to next service award level a user needs to meet either the time or edit requirement. Whereas Misplaced Pages:Service awards states that a user needs to meet both requirements to proceed ahead. If the latter is true then the whole template will have to be changed. Can it be automated-the edit count and time count automatically updates. If what the template says is correct then it should say -

--Varun ☎ 18:16, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm having trouble figuring where on Template:Service award progress it is stated that either requirement can be met: could you give a link to a page where it is incorrectly shown? It appears that the sandbox version does indeed say or, but this shouldn't be a major problem unless it is move to the main template. —  crh ₂₃  (Talk) 20:39, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Looks like this was the case but was fixed on the 12th of this month, try purging the page where you see the problem. —  crh ₂₃  (Talk) 20:43, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Strange. I thought we were all here to build an encyclopaedia. Apparently I was mistaken. ColinFine (talk) 20:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Who on earth cares? Give yourself whatever award you want; as long as it's not actively offensive or disruptive, nobody except you cares what's on your userpage. ‑ Iridescent 21:00, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Cleanup Question

If I have a question about what cleanup message is needed for an article (in particular, one that was recently moved from draft space to mainspace by its author, but the question is general), is this the right place to ask? I suppose I could ask in a more specific place, but I don't know how widely watched other places are. In particular, if I think that an article is hagiographic rather than neutral, what cleanup message is in order? An overly promotional article about a company can be tagged as reading like an advertisement, but I have a BLP in mind instead. Non-neutral articles in Articles for Creation will be declined, but, I understand that once an article gets into mainspace, being overly promotional is not a basis for deleting it unless it is blatant enough to qualify for speedy deletion as unambiguous advertising. Some articles are ambiguous advertising, and some BLPs are hagiographic. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:24, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

You can specify whatever reason you choose using format: {{Cleanup|reason=Whatever reason}}; see: Misplaced Pages: Clarify the cleanup

Or are you looking for a specific template? From the list (here), {{peacock}} might do. --2606:A000:4C0C:E200:1904:9CA2:35F0:1D79 (talk) 20:27, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

'Peacock' seems like the best one in the case in point. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:50, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

how to log in without email if forgot password

I made a Misplaced Pages account to entre for wla. I feel that I can win the competition, but I forgot my password of my account and I have registered with an email. Is there any other way from which I can log in?

182.64.162.212 (talk) 20:21, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't understand the question. However, if you have registered an email address when you created an account, and your email account is still active, you can request that your password be mailed to you. What is wla? If you are having difficulty with English, we have more than 200 Wikipedias in other languages. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:02, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Articles referring to themselves

Assume an article called "Abc" has sections "qwe" and "xyz". In section "qwe" there is a sentence "blaa blaa blaa. (See section "xyz")" or similar. In other words, the article mentions that one should read more, about some aspect mentioned, elsewhere in the article.

Here's an example in the wild: Radium and radon in the environment#Radon in air.

What is the accepted position on this practise and metatext in articles in general? I am sure there is a manual of style page somewhere discussing this, but I can't find it. Voltteri (talk) 22:07, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

It seems harmless. The absence of a MoS page discouraging it supports the view that it is harmless. Maproom (talk) 22:10, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Actually, there is a guideline: Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Self-references to avoid. RockMagnetist(talk) 22:43, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Exact reason for putting dates (months, not days) on maintenance templates?

Hey, I was curious about this. I live in Japan, where it's already been July for eight hours, but in GMT I just made a couple of edits at the very end of June and the very beginning of July. I removed a clause that seemed problematic to me in one edit, and then re-added an altered version of it and tagged it as requiring a source. The first edit was in June and the second in July, but I had already decided the statement needed a source (and essentially requested one by removing the statement) in June.

For the majority of editors of English Misplaced Pages, who live in North America, the tag was unambiguously placed on June 30.

My question is thus: Does this matter at all? Was there any particular reason why maintenance tags are dated by month and year, rather than day and month and year, and if so does it matter which month we give for tags placed immediately before or immediately after the end of one month in a certain time zone?

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:30, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

@Hijiri88: The month and year are just for maintenance categorization. For example, the {{no footnotes}} template sorts when that cleanup tag was added into Category:Articles lacking in-text citations by when it was added. It does not really matter if it is off by a month. --Majora (talk) 23:35, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

July 1

external link icon

Anyone here know where I can find the source image for the external link icon that MediaWiki uses?

http://example.com ← that image, right there

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:45, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: external-link-ltr-icon.png, File:Icon External Link.svg, 2000px-External.svg.png - NQ (talk) 01:12, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: If you convert the following code using http://codebeautify.org/base64-to-image-converter, you'll get the exact source image. data:image/svg+xml,<%3Fxml%20version%3D"1.0"%20encoding%3D"UTF-8"%20standalone%3D"no"%3F><svg%20xmlns%3D"http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg"%20width%3D"12"%20height%3D"12"><path%20fill%3D"%23fff"%20stroke%3D"%2306c"%20d%3D"M1.5%204.518h5.982V10.5H1.5z"%2F><path%20d%3D"M5.765%201H11v5.39L9.427%207.937l-1.31-1.31L5.393%209.35l-2.69-2.688%202.81-2.808L4.2%202.544z"%20fill%3D"%2306f"%2F><path%20d%3D"M9.995%202.004l.022%204.885L8.2%205.07%205.32%207.95%204.09%206.723l2.882-2.88-1.85-1.852z"%20fill%3D"%23fff"%2F><%2Fsvg> - NQ (talk) 01:24, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 09:09, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

External link icons are part of the CSS for the skin. The above is for the default skin Vector. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:14, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Three questions about IP addresses

I have three questions about IP addresses. (1) How do I determine my own IP address? (2) Given any IP address, how do I determine its geographical location/origin? (3) Two editors -- User:JackofOz and User:Baseball Bugs -- have accused me of being a troll and a sock puppet. How do I resolve that? For Questions #1, #2, and #3, here is the relevant discussion: Misplaced Pages:Reference desk/Humanities#White history month?. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 01:56, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

You can go to https://whatismyipaddress.com/ to answer questions 1 and 2. As for question 3, you could try talking with them and see why they said that. However, you don't have to do anything. Accusations, regardless of our CIVIL policy, happen all the time. They mean nothing without proof. Or for the WP:DUCK test a lack of reasonable doubt. The reference desks have been plagued by trolls and everyone over there is a little touchy with the subject. --Majora (talk) 02:09, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Forgot to ping OP @Joseph A. Spadaro: --Majora (talk) 02:09, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Joseph A. Spadaro:

1) You can use a simple tool like http://whatismyipaddress.com to determine your IP address and its approximate geographic location.

2) On Misplaced Pages, if you go to the linked contributions page of an IP address (example: https://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/146.90.120.170), you'll be able to see a box which contains a Geolocate option.

3) Seems to be a simply misunderstanding, ignore.

I strongly advise that you don't disclose your IP address or your location publicly. - NQ (talk) 02:13, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Extended Confirmed user question

Does userspace edits count towards the 500 edits for the Extended Confirmed user? DatNuttyWikipedian (talk) 03:16, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Technically, yes. But many edits in userspace to reach that level can be seen as gaming the system. Topics under that restriction are heavily contested and controversial. It is probably a better idea to edit in other areas of the project to reach the 500 and not in userspace. That way you can be used to the methods and procedures of Misplaced Pages as a whole. --Majora (talk) 03:18, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

HOW TO SIZE AN IMAGE, AND WHERE TO FIND PREVIOUS UPLOADED IMAGES!

Hi, I'm new here.

I've added an image in sandbox, but wanted to upload it again to adjust the framing. When I tried to do the, I got an error message saying, "There is another file already on the site with the same content."

I tried uploading a different image, but this time, it took up all of the page, and I can't figure out how to adjust the size in visual editing, OR source editing.

Can someone help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RiverGibbsProductions (talk • contribs) 04:11, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Exclude certain pages from auto-watch?

I have enabled the "Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist" preference; as I do a good deal of AfD and page patrol it is really useful to track changes to articles you nominate to deletion (most of them end up deleted anyways so the watchlist is not that cluttered at the end). For article content creation I prefer that as default as well.

However, I notice that certain automated tools like Twinkle or delsort.js edit generic pages (e.g. "List of politician-related discussions" at WP:DELSORT or the log of deletion discussions for the day) and as such add them to the watchlist. I do not wish to track those. Is anyone aware of a way?

Ideally there would be a user "exclude" file which the watchlist updater checks against regular expressions matching the title before adding to the watchlist, but I do not know if it is really feasible or already done.

Please ping when replying - even if I will watch this page. Tigraan 09:20, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Craig McLachlan

Ref number three is wrong 101.182.117.21 (talk) 09:23, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

No ref error showing for No.3. If you meant No.13 with the large red letter error message, it has been fixed. Eagleash (talk) 09:34, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Templates prefixing links with ":"

I've just noticed that when using a template that includes a link to a page, the internal WL is prefixed with a colon - ] for example.

The link seems to work just as well and the colon doesn't appear in the article text, but why does it happen? I'm using Twinkle and the above example came from a level 1 Vandalism warning, but I've seen it before on other templates as well. Chaheel Riens (talk) 09:41, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

A colon in front will always make a link. It's allowed but unnecessary for articles. For pages in some other namespaces it's necessary to avoid namespace features. For example, ] makes the link File:Example.jpg instead of displaying the file, and ] makes the link Category:Help instead of placing the page in the category. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:56, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Please see Help:Colon trick :- "The colon trick is a method of providing a link to a category, image or interwiki link without adding the page to the category, displaying the image or adding the interwiki link to the interlanguage links. It also allows for linking to pages with titles beginning with a recognized external link prefix, such as http:// or //Hus." - Arjayay (talk) 09:59, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:10, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

re existing entries on Charlotte Maria Shaw Mason and her timelline

dear Misplaced Pages

My new biography Charlotte Mason Hidden Heritage and Educational Influence was published by Lutterworth Press Sept 2015. I have long been aware of many incorrect details in the Misplaced Pages biographical entry and timeline (no longer accessible) and am planning to do a complete re-write of both.

Technically I don't see how to do this. I should like to send in the 2 texts when completed but how should I do this? I am not very skilled with computing.

Thank you

Margaret Coombs

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