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And so we begin. I once again removed this section as it does not, in my view conform to ]. Generally I'm happy when any citation is given to information within an article, but biographies of living persons must be given special attention. They are to be written extremely conservative so as to not assassinate someone's character on a website millions of people visit daily. Again, this is primary sourced and an incident so unimportant in nature that it surely should not be included. I look forward to your discussion on this matter.--] (]) 08:21, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
And so we begin. I once again removed this section as it does not, in my view conform to ]. Generally I'm happy when any citation is given to information within an article, but biographies of living persons must be given special attention. They are to be written extremely conservative so as to not assassinate someone's character on a website millions of people visit daily. Again, this is primary sourced and an incident so unimportant in nature that it surely should not be included. I look forward to your discussion on this matter.--] (]) 08:21, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
:Keep removing it for the reasons I stated in the last thread. I have seen her briefly mentioned in articles about the incident from ] but they make her role seem so small I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning. The "fat shaming" allegations come from infowars which is not ] and a primary source from the other party involved in the conflict.] (]) 22:40, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
:Keep removing it for the reasons I stated in the last thread. I have seen her briefly mentioned in articles about the incident from ] but they make her role seem so small I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning. The "fat shaming" allegations come from infowars which is not ] and a primary source from the other party involved in the conflict.] (]) 22:40, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
:Probably worthy to at least make a mention of the incident. Kasparian usually presents herself as quite level headed, and an incident of such an individual having a meltdown and screaming obscenities at another well-known talk show host certainly requires a note. Cenk Uygur and Alex Jones both have a section devoted to the incident and there's no reason why Ms. Kasparian should not have one as well. The event was caught on videotape, so ] is likely not relevant, here. Also I don't know if anyone is willing to argue that referring to an overweight person as a "fat fuck" does not qualify as ]. The Info Wars source isn't required.] (]) 21:50, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
:Probably worthwhile to at least make a mention of the incident. Kasparian usually presents herself as quite level headed, and an incident of such an individual having a meltdown and screaming obscenities at another well-known talk show host certainly requires a note. Cenk Uygur and Alex Jones both have a section devoted to the incident and there's no reason why Ms. Kasparian should not have one as well. The event was caught on videotape, so ] is likely not relevant, here. Also I don't know if anyone is willing to argue that referring to an overweight person as a "fat fuck" does not qualify as ]. The Info Wars source isn't required.] (]) 21:50, 30 July 2016 (UTC)
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I think it should be mentioned in the article that Christian Lopez is Ana Kasparian's boyfriend. If you watch this YouTube video at 0:13, Ana says Christian Lopez is her boyfriend.
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Terra (T) @ 01:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
There should be a new section added to Ana Kasparian's page: "Controversies." This section should make mention of her part in fat shaming radio host Alex Jones, screaming at Mr. Jones to "get off the stage you fat fuck" and suggesting that he "shut the fuck up, bitch!" The controversy has already been included on the page of Alex Jones, and should certainly be included here as well.
I agree there should be some coverage of the event. "Controversies" is not a good term, but the entire incident obviously happened and should be covered. There will probably be a name of the incident to place coverage under. There are currently just biased sources coming from the left and the right, but when some neutral true reporting can be produced as a source, each of the component characters to the incident, the entire TYT and Infowars characters who participated, should have a mention of their roles in this. The best source I have seen so far is the Huffington piece but even that has been accused of not being a WP:RS. Trackinfo (talk) 22:17, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
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Agreed, the only source cited on the fat shaming angle is Alex Jones' own site, and the current version of the article even refers to her boss Cenk Uygur as "obese," which is absurd. Kasamashirou (talk) 08:07, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
Why is "despite of being provoked to the point of physical confrontation was respectful, and Alex Jones are overweight and similar in constitution" there?
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The section should be renamed to "2016 RNC Incident", since there's little substance to the story involving actual fat-shaming. This altercation has more to do with Alex Jones, internet conspiracy theorist and professional troll, provoking the TYT hosts to the point of using expletives. Furthermore, in the same instance Ana also referred to Jones as a "bitch" despite her being for both trans and animal rights. Does this comment make her a hypocrite? Not anymore than saying, "Get off the stage, you fat fuck!" The reporting of this incident was focused solely on this one blurt, rather than observing the overall situation. When one takes a step back, one realizes that calling this a "fat-shaming controversy" is ridiculous. This isn't a controversy. It's a manufactroversy, if anything. I'm sure you can sense my bias, but if we're to be neutral, include the moments leading up to the supposed "fat-shaming" (like Jones bringing a shirt with Clinton's face on it with "rape" underneath), instead of writing the section in a misleading way that makes Ana's comments seem unprovoked and out-of-the-blue, harbored feelings.
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2016 RNC Incident
And so we begin. I once again removed this section as it does not, in my view conform to WP:BLP. Generally I'm happy when any citation is given to information within an article, but biographies of living persons must be given special attention. They are to be written extremely conservative so as to not assassinate someone's character on a website millions of people visit daily. Again, this is primary sourced and an incident so unimportant in nature that it surely should not be included. I look forward to your discussion on this matter.--WikiTryHardDieHard (talk) 08:21, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Keep removing it for the reasons I stated in the last thread. I have seen her briefly mentioned in articles about the incident from WP:RS but they make her role seem so small I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning. The "fat shaming" allegations come from infowars which is not WP:RS and a primary source from the other party involved in the conflict.LM2000 (talk) 22:40, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
Probably worthwhile to at least make a mention of the incident. Kasparian usually presents herself as quite level headed, and an incident of such an individual having a meltdown and screaming obscenities at another well-known talk show host certainly requires a note. Cenk Uygur and Alex Jones both have a section devoted to the incident and there's no reason why Ms. Kasparian should not have one as well. The event was caught on videotape, so WP:RS is likely not relevant, here. Also I don't know if anyone is willing to argue that referring to an overweight person as a "fat fuck" does not qualify as fat-shaming. The Info Wars source isn't required.Hidden Tempo (talk) 21:50, 30 July 2016 (UTC)