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Wikipediatrix

Tony, HELP! I do not know if you notice or not but Wikipediatrix has a very short fuse and seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way. We have articles on here that she has continually gotten involved in. When we have asked her to help us she became very confrontational and even claimed we were editing under different names. It got to the point that other editors were calling her down for her antics. I surely hope that this is not a regular problem that everyone has to deal with in thier dealings with her? She has tagged yet the same article on David L Cook for "cites" We went in and gave what we had. Such as a quote from Bob Hope. That comment was made at a banquet full of comedians and not recorded by television or radio. We have tried to explain these things and she still comes right back and tags everything again. I do not know if this is all she has to do all day but it certainly is very hard to deal with someone who has this kind of agenda. We are not Wiki savy and do not claim to be. We have gone in when we check these things to see if everything is done right and if not we try to fix them. I do not know how to cite the things she is talking about. Most of the things that are said between celebrities or at functions are not things that are citable in our opinion. Could you please help us? We need to get this woman off of our backs! She is very nasty. Thanks Daylon Ware IAMAS Corporation 9:14, 2006,25,07 (UTC)

She's doing a good job. Please see Verifiability and Reliable sources. If there is no reliable source for Bob Hope's opinion on David L. Cook, then we can't use it. --Tony Sidaway 13:37, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

FYI

Another Kurdish related AfD, which seems disruptive IMHO: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kurdish celebration of Newroz. Bertilvidet 06:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I do of course accept if you find my inquiry groundless. I would however appreciate to know if it has been addressed. Bertilvidet 13:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Even though the concrete reason for my inquiry has lost some actuality I would still appreciate feed back. Bertilvidet 07:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

The reason that I posted this message is, that I thought you were User:Cool Cats mentor, or at least in some way was involved in the debates about their edits to and attempts to delete Kurdish-related pages. I stand corrected if I am wrong. Bertilvidet 20:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Please let me know, if I was wrong. Bertilvidet 13:43, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Hagiographer

I have had problems with this user before. Thanks fort getting him to stop altering my user page in unpleasant ways. he has here altered my signature to that of another user, User:Pura Paja, please can you discourage him from doing so, SqueakBox 03:36, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Alienus

This arbitration case has closed and the final decision is published at the link above.

Sam Korn 15:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Never mind the sollogs

Hi. As you had a clear opinion on its predecessor, I thought you might also have one on this. (Though of course you're away right now....) -- Hoary 04:53, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom

Sorry for your being pulled into this, but you're named as an involved party. It'shere. rootology (T) 00:14, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Clerk duties call.

You may want to decide to move this or at minimum separate it from Ed's statement. JoshuaZ 02:29, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

SqueakBox has to be blocked for, at least a month

Excuse me, Tony but I believe Squeak Box has to blocked for a month. Instead of respecting his one month ban he created User:Skanking to go on editing. It has been demonstrated. Everything is explained in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement#User:SqueakBox_2. If you're not going to enforce the block, at least explain me why not. Thank you. Hagiographer 07:19, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

SqueakBox's not respecting his ban

User:SqueakBox hasn't respected his ban after being blocked. The anonymous user 63.245.13.229 has edited SqueakBox's user page to restore the insult by which you blocked him (). SqueakBox has admitted previously that that IP was him (). By the way, the user page still has the insult against me. I believed personal attacks are not allowed in the Misplaced Pages so I think it should be removed. I can't do it myself because User:Guettarda has protected the page. I suppose he didn't realize what was really going on.

In regard to my block and all that, I find it reasonable but, in fact, I'm not very interested in the article. Simply, I didn't understand, and I don't understand, what was the purpose of the absurd redirects so I removed them. In my humble opinion, redirects are used when two titles are valid for the same article. In other cases, redirects are pure vandalism: they don't allow anybody to edit or read an article. As far as I know, the Misplaced Pages prides on its effectiveness at fighting vandalism. If you analyze it, I've only edited a Zapatero related article once, when I removed from the main article the information I thought to be obsolete. All the other times, and they have been only three, I've simply removed the redirects. That is, as far as I know I've removed vandalism. And for that, from my point of view, you've blocked me from editing the articles. I'm not very interested in editing them, only that I find it kind of absurd. Vandalism is a serious threat to the Misplaced Pages, and I'm blocked from editing an article from which I've removed vandalism (in my view). So, I would like you to explain to me (or to tell me where I can find an explanation) if the use of redirects to prevent other users from editing or reading specific articles is vandalism or not. And if it is, why it's been allowed for so long.

If you think it's vandalism, in my opinion it's pretty clear it is, I think it should be clearly stated as such in the articles where it should be made clear that anybody redirecting the articles without, at least, a previous consensus will be treated as a vandal.

Thank you for reading this long message, :-) Hagiographer 06:57, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

User:Wiarthurhu, redux

Hi Tony, thought I'd alert you to a new development in the case of this banned user who is now asking for a lifting of the ban under certain conditions. As you took place in the original discussion leading to the ban I thought I should contact you directly about this new discussion. Thanks, Gwernol 21:44, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Gibraltarian

Hi Tony Sideway, would it be possible to semiprotect User:Ecemaml and User Talk:Ecemaml pages? Gibraltarian is back as you are surely aware... Thanks, E Asterion 14:21, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Clerks

Is the list of clerks still up to date? I see Thatcher131 doing clerk-type work and FloNight being invited to clerk by Sam Korn (as a direct result of your own invitation to her). Of course with many things you don't have to be a clerk to do it, but I am interested in where we stand in terms of who is an official clerk, and whether we (ArbCom, that is) should endeavor to make official those who are doing the work. I'd appreciate any illumination you can give. Thanks. NoSeptember 13:28, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

As I understand it (from public statements; I'm not privy to any discussions) the arbitration committee is very keen to appoint new clerks, overall, but is cautious about choosing suitable candidates. Informal clerking is welcome and would almost certainly count in any future decision to appoint "official" clerks. --Tony Sidaway 13:38, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

So the list on WP:AC/C is still the complete and accurate list? I think I will add it to User:NoSeptember/Functionaries. Thanks. NoSeptember 13:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk about timing, Sam just added FloNight to the list :). NoSeptember 14:16, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I opened the case on MONGO based on a discussion at WT:RFAR. I just don't want to tick off the arbs. Editor88 was also doing some informal clerk work. Thatcher131 (talk) 14:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I am aware that any editor may voluntarily do many of the clerk-related actions. About a month ago ArbCom requested more clerk applications, but seem to have taken little action, similar to the lack of action on finding new checkusers. NoSeptember 14:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

The difference being that CheckUser is much more sensitive and selective, and less amenable to expansion even with volunteers. Though recently, checkuser and oversight have begun to spread to bureaucrats, with two and three bureaucrats with the permissions, respectively (ask any others to volunteer and we'll take the request seriously). Regarding clerks, though: I am ready and willing to promote many more, but last time I checked, Snoutwood was the only applicant I knew well enough to vouch for, and he's on break. So far, that official list is up-to-date , and basically, while I am happy to see others helping out, the distinction is that those are the ones the Committee has given its trust in any non-mechanical judgment-based matters that may come up. I would love to have many more volunteers (nudge, nudge). Dmcdevit·t 00:02, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll bring this threaded conversation to the attention of the arbitrators. --Tony Sidaway 23:42, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I see several recent additions to Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Clerks/Candidates. I'll add my name there unless there is a better place. Thatcher131 (talk) 05:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Question

User:Badlydrawnjeff has requestedsome pages be restored for the arbcom case...is that something you can do for him? Thanks.--MONGO 06:32, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it would be a good idea for me to do that. --Tony Sidaway 16:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

UNBLOCK GIBRALTARIAN NOW!!

STILL there has been not one attempt to justify my initial ban, nor any ewxplanation as to why a person can be banned for calling a racist a racist, but the racist himself goes unpunished. My initial ban cannot be justified by any stretch of the imagination, and no-one has been able to even attempt doing so. I ecpect, and demand that it be reverted IMMEDIATELY! ..... Added at 12:28, 27 August 2006 by 212.120.224.86

The initial ban is justified not merely by a "stretch of the imagination" but instead by this. -- Hoary 12:40, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

This guy is harrasing me and other people on a periodic basis. He's totally unashamed of his behaviour. A collection of articles (see {{Gibraltarian}} template) needs to be semiprotected because of him too. Hopeless and unreformed. E Asterion 16:41, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Aggressive user

In the course of a challenging edit war around the Waldorf education article, one new Misplaced Pages user (User:Pete K) is employing rather offensive personal attacks on the talk page. There seem to be no neutral participants who can suggest an appropriate tone for the discussion; more precisely, one has, and has been ignored. Can you help? See Talk:Waldorf education.

The user also has a tendency to editorialize in the article; the distinction between describing his personal opinions or experiences, on the one hand, and verifiable information, on the other, seems to be unclear to him. The article needs clean-up, and some useful results are coming out of the discussion, but I for one am often uncomfortable with the tone and style.

Hoping you can help in some way! Hgilbert 18:42, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Dbiv violating article ban

User:Dbiv is taking his characterization of ArbCom's ban as "purported" seriously: see , , and . --Calton | Talk 20:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

I have taken the necessary enforcement step. . --Tony Sidaway 20:39, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you put "upfront" instead of "blatant"? I'm quite clear I'm not recognising the ban so I'm being upfront about it. "Blatant" makes it sound like a criticism. I am being open. You might also have left the note on the article talk page so that all would be alerted to the fact that I have no intention of obeying the ban - that was what it was there for. — Preceding comment signed as by Dbiv (talk · contribs) actually added by 80.177.212.6 (talk · contribs) 20:54, 27 August 2006

In addition to his recent schtick of editing under his IP number and adding an "Unsigned" template -- which has the effect, intentional, I'm sure, of obscuring his edits and their source -- Dbiv has taken to redirecting the talk page of the IP number he's using -- which has the effect, intentional, I'm sure, of obscuring the warnings associated with that IP.

I've been reverting the redirect on the grounds that it's not a User Page, it's an IP page. But if yo want to take Dbiv at his word, then blocking that IP for the duration of his block -- since he's not supposed to use it to get around a block anyways -- would seem called for, especially since the rationale for not blocking IPs is to avoid collateral damage, surely not an issue here. --Calton | Talk 17:06, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

pornography posted by PublicgirlUK

Hi Tony. As an 'old hat' around here I would like to ask your advice. Would you mind pointing me to relevant policy pages or processes regarding the management of unlicensed pornographic images to WP? After reading the contributions of the user in question, I'm experiencing a growing concern that the images posted are in fact being used to disrupt WP, or worse, to publically derogate a young woman. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 22:56, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Tony, I would be grateful for any advice or observations you may have. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 17:09, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I decline to comment on the grounds that I have nothing remotely palatable to say about this affair. --Tony Sidaway 18:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I was just asking for WP sources, policies, precedent, etc., but if you choose not to engage I completely respect that and will try to find other avenues. Thanks again. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 18:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, really nothing personal, and absolutely no reflection on the role of any other Wikipedian in this matter. But hey, not our finest hour. --Tony Sidaway 01:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree entirely. :) -- User:RyanFreisling @ 02:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Terryeo violation of probation

Hi Tony, unfortunately User:Terryeo has again violated the terms of his post-arbitration probation with a personal attack on another user (see ). I've invited him to withdraw his comments - if he doesn't, could you please take the appropriate enforcement action? -- ChrisO 12:37, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

The rest of the discussion spells out what my comment was pointed toward (results of editing) and makes more clear that a personal attack was not done, nor any individual's motivation singled out. Terryeo 13:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, he hasn't withdrawn it, so I've requested enforcement on Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Arbitration enforcement -- ChrisO 13:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I stated the situation as simply and clearly as possible and made no comment about User:Raymond Hill's motivation for his editing. ChrisO suggests that no matter how an editor brings up the situation where one of us places a google group message on his personal website, then comes here to Misplaced Pages and cites the message as a secondary source, that the editor who brings it up is personally attacking the editor with the personal website. That is not the situation, to state a situation is not a personal attack. I have replied likewise on the Administrators' noticeboard and feel this "run around after Terry, interpret what he says as a personal attack" is silly and time consuming. Terryeo 15:29, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Answered at WP:AE. Thatcher131 (talk) 16:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, but I'd rather other administrators took care of these things. I think some people are getting the idea that arbitration enforcement is something that only some administrators can do, and my status as an arbitration clerk may add to the confusion. --Tony Sidaway 18:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

SqueakBox isn't respecting his ban

As can be found in , SqueakBox is accessing the Misplaced Pages in spite of his ban from the address 63.245.13.229, that SqueakBox claims to be his real IP address (here) and not that of User:Pura Paja. He also insults me here claiming I want to vandalise his user page and that I'm a sock puppet of Zapatancas, when my innocence was demonstrated at the time. So, please enforce the rules.

By the way, I don't understand why the insults he has dedicated to me in his user page aren't being removed what clearly goes against WP:NPA. Hagiographer 06:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Excuse me, Tony, do you plan to enforce the rules? At least you could say you have no intention of doing anything that SqueakBox wouldn't like. I'm getting tired of posting overwhelming evidence to have it ignored. Hagiographer 06:34, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Enforcement of arbitration remedies is the responsibility of all administrators. I am busy. --Tony Sidaway 11:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Insults

I inform you administrator about insults .--PIO 17:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

ArbCom

You've been recommended to me to talk to about the arbitration committee on the English Misplaced Pages. Over in the German version, we've been talking about establishing such an institution again. So we were interested if we could maybe hear from some users experienced with such things in other projects. Would you possibly be available to talk to on IRC sometime? Please let me know whenever. Thanks! sebmol 21:01, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm Tony_Sidaway on freenode and I'm often available during British evening and night hours. As an arbitration clerk on the English Misplaced Pages I would be glad to provide any information you need to help you to make your decision. --Tony Sidaway 21:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Dear Other Guy

Sorry, i'm not him, but I could introduce if you'd like. We talked once here on Misplaced Pages and i'm sure we've probably met each other before this at one meeting or another. Vice President In Charge Of Office Supplies 00:22, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Award

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		This award is for your efforts to make Misplaced Pages a better place. Martial Law

This award is also for the Arbitration Committee as well. This is one Wikipedian who is thanking you for doing a often thankless, often resented job. Martial Law 01:46, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Dbiv redux

Now calling himself DavidBoothroyd (talk · contribs), but redirecting this and the IP page (User:80.177.212.6) to his talk page. God only knows WHAT rationale he's working from this time. --Calton | Talk 13:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I registered this account solely so I would be able to correct material inaccuracies in my own biography. However, I now find myself forced to resort to it to action this change, which I am explicitly allowed to do: I want all talk to go to User talk:Dbiv. If you need to leave messages about User:80.177.212.6 do so at the user page, not the talk page. This seems perfectly fair to m e. Meanwhile Calton is being disruptive. He is not an admin and has no role in any of this. DavidBoothroyd 13:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee/Clerks/Procedures

Thanks Tony, but I beat you to the punch. I found that page on my own. I just couldn't find any clerk duties to fulfill because most cases lacked the required number of votes. (Especially the one where you tallied the proposals, but where a motion to close is non-existent). If you come across any case that needs opening or closing, please let me know instead if doing it yourself, so I can have a go at it. - Mgm| 21:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll certainly be making sure all the new clerks get plenty of chances to open and close cases. Perhaps we should also start being pro-active in formatting and summarising evidence, helping on workshop pages, and so on. We've been very short-handed for most of the summer, just me opening and closing cases, mostly, but hopefully that drought period is over. --Tony Sidaway 21:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

More Alienus socks

88.198.213.138 I believe is a new Alienus sockpuppet. It has been editing the articles silent protagonist and crony capitalism. In addition, 81.169.180.248, another Alienus sockpuppet has been editing Objectivism (Ayn Rand) in addition to other articles. Would it be possible to semi-protect the articles that these IP's edit? Thanks. LaszloWalrus 03:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Willothewisp

I came over here a while ago and got a load of spoken articles in stupid voices deleted that had been created by User:Willothewisp. If you like that readout of your user page then that's fine, but can you block him to stop him messing around any longer? Judging by the previous sounds he's contributed, I'm sure you weren't intended to like it, and I think it's just going to carry on with doing articles and making Misplaced Pages look stupid. Archer7 08:54, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

He hasn't done anything in two months. I think he was just a prankster. The audio of my talk page was, to my mind, obviously intended as a bit of good natured leg-pulling. --Tony Sidaway 14:16, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Category:Kilt wearers

Mate I want to know why you think it is an incredibly ridiculous category. We have cateogries on class ring wearers and wikipedians by parenthood. I wonder why you feel the pinch about this one. Unitedroad 15:30, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Those are ridiculous categories, too. What possible relevance can this howlingly irrelevant nonsense have to the encyclopedia? --Tony Sidaway 15:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

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