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	I urge all the editors I have cited to stop moralizing and slanting information, stop distorting the record. The JT LeRoy and Laura Albert pages have to be as legitimate as all the other Misplaced Pages pages. I am adding this post to the Talk pages for JT LeRoy, Laura Albert, and all the editors involved in or cited in this thread.] (]) 16:57, 17 October 2016 (UTC)		I urge all the editors I have cited to stop moralizing and slanting information, stop distorting the record. The JT LeRoy and Laura Albert pages have to be as legitimate as all the other Misplaced Pages pages. I am adding this post to the Talk pages for JT LeRoy, Laura Albert, and all the editors involved in or cited in this thread.] (]) 16:57, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

			== Amicus brief as a reference ==

			An amicus brief is not subject to peer review or editorial oversight. It's a piece of advocacy, and also a ]. Per ], we should not rely on such primary sources (and "trial transcripts and other court records" are explicitly mentioned; amicus briefs should be treated the same) in the biography of a living person. I'll thus again remove the two paragraphs based on that brief. ] (]) 19:28, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

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Merge proposal

Note: please add comments about this propsed merge on the Talk:JT LeRoy page. The comments below are duplicates.

Since the idea has been proposed, allow me to set up a straw poll.

Oppose. Merging JT LeRoy and Laura Albert is inappropriate in this case, because JT LeRoy was not only Laura Albert, but also Savannah Knoop, Geoffrey Knoop, and likely a few other accomplices. This is not a pen name or pseudonym, but a hoax. There are also precedents set for other hoaxes; see the See Also section at the bottom of the article. Jokestress 16:16, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
Oppose for two reasons; as Jokestress says, JT LeRoy was really a collaborative hoax, not a mere pseudonym of Laura Albert; but also, Laura Albert has a notable identity distinct from JT LeRoy. See the talk pages of W. Mark Felt and Deep Throat (Watergate) for a fairly clear consensus on a similar issue. Chick Bowen 03:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
Oppose. Per Jokestress's reasoning. --Lockley 23:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Birth date

Salon article dated March 8, 2006 gives the following: "How did a 40-year-old woman fool the world into thinking she was teenage prostitute and wunderkind author JT LeRoy?" and "She was a Scorpio and said all the girls who worked there were Scorpios."

Since Scorpios are born late October through most of November, and she is now 40, that puts her birth date in late 2005. I am changing the date accordingly. Jokestress 03:15, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Transferred apparent comment by Albert

Transferred the following comment by User:Laura Albert - Skysmith (talk) 10:47, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

"Employees at Disneyland Paris and two Paris hotels confirmed that the person claiming to be JT LeRoy matched photographs of Laura Albert, who told the employees she was traveling with her husband and son. She told hotel employees who thought JT LeRoy was male that she was a transsexual woman who had sex reassignment surgery three years earlier.

I am Laura Albert and I never told anyone I am or was a transsexual woman who had sex reassignment surgery three years earlier. I did identify myself as JT LeRoy. If they has any beliefs or concerns as to what Jt LeRoy's gender was they either discussed it in French, which I do not speak, or they did not discuss it at all - either way it was NEVER brought up to me. I look very female and have never tried to pass myself off as male even when I wished I could have. I have contact with some of these employees and they can confirm this."

JT LeRoy/Laura Albert pages

This post on https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents is being shared with you: I protest most strenuously the interference with my October 15 edit of the JT LeRoy page. I replaced properly cited, pertinent information, and for Aloha27 to pull it down claiming "unreliably cited information" is completely unfair -- and suggests a different agenda is at work here, one that seeks to advance the argument of the original vandalism that I undid. Aloha27 needs to explain in what way the original text had "unreliably cited information", or else undo what they did. Now a brand-new editor -- 2601:646:4000:5076:d464:a479:a51b:ddc6 -- makes their first edit on the page for Laura Albert (the actual author behind the JT LeRoy books), adding something shamelessly judgmental and biased: After a quote of Argento praising Albert in 2013, this editor added the following commentary: "However in July of 2016, Asia Argento came further forward and break her silence on her real thoughts about the scandal." Ignoring the grammatical failings, who on earth is this person to say what Argento's or anyone else's "real thoughts" are? It was quite right that a vandalism warning accompanied that edit. It was totally unacceptable editing and I have repaired it; in the spirit of balance, however, I have not removed the 2016 quote.

The Misplaced Pages editors have to ask themselves a very simple question about the JT LeRoy and Laura Albert pages: Do they want an unbiased article with cited and accurate information, which leaves readers free to make up their own minds -- like we do for everyone else, from Britney Spears to Joseph Stalin -- or do they want a page that continuously seeks to judge and denounce its subject? A page rewritten to legitimize the hate-filled screed "The Cult of JT LeRoy" by Marjorie Sturm. It's no accident that "Msturm 8" and her previous sock puppets -- Itzat94118," "Earthyperson," "Truthlovepeace," "174.119.2.166" -- keep putting up the same judgmental, slanted language that currently distorts the JT LeRoy page.

I urge all the editors I have cited to stop moralizing and slanting information, stop distorting the record. The JT LeRoy and Laura Albert pages have to be as legitimate as all the other Misplaced Pages pages. I am adding this post to the Talk pages for JT LeRoy, Laura Albert, and all the editors involved in or cited in this thread.NVG13DAO (talk) 16:57, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Amicus brief as a reference

An amicus brief is not subject to peer review or editorial oversight. It's a piece of advocacy, and also a primary source. Per WP:BLPPRIMARY, we should not rely on such primary sources (and "trial transcripts and other court records" are explicitly mentioned; amicus briefs should be treated the same) in the biography of a living person. I'll thus again remove the two paragraphs based on that brief. Huon (talk) 19:28, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

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