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Deletion discussion about Intelligent design (historical)

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Thanks, Barney the barney barney (talk) 14:36, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Reinstating edit on Creation-evolution controversy

-- here we have the benefit of the exact item being talked about on google docs, yet guy misquotes a misquote from popper and ... claims that is the better way ... Theories then are never empirically verifiable." and "These considerations suggest that not the verifiability but the falsifiability of a system is to be taken as the criterion of demarcation."; , Karl Popper, The Logic of Scientific Discovery (1935; Engl 1959) pg 18

Hi Markbasset, I see you reinstated your edit I had reverted previously, which removes the word pseudoscience. That word is backed by the reliable secondary source used and quoting Popper directly could actually be considered WP:OR since it's a primary source. It'd be great if you could give WP:BR a read. When an edit you make is reverted you go to the talk page, open a new thread about it and then wait to hear from other editors' input on the issue. Reverting back is considered bad practice and doing so more than three times in less than 24 hs (I'm not saying you did BTW) is considered edit warring. I'd really appreciate it if you could self revert your last edit and open a new thread so we can discuss it. Thank you very much. Regards. Gaba 02:16, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Please try the article talk since the re-creation means I've really looked and still think the edit is appropriate and so posted there. But first, please consider the desireability of having the primary source on the section topic Falsifiability (the Popper book) in favor of a lesser secondary source and on what wording would convey what is modern application or re-interpretation and where it will have gone too far in rephrasing the secondary source. To be precise, Popper defines falsifiability as a separator for science from all else, not saying the all-else is pseudoscience. Even the secondary source seems to not be making it the determinant for pseudoscience but noting it as a criteria (one of many?) for distinguishing science from psuedoscience is the Stanford extension of modern discussions. Saying a test mentioned in modern discussions is correct of STanford, but saying it as the determination of a duality was not in Stanford. Non-falsifiable pieces might equally well be poetry, law, music, acconting etcetera. And while Popper used the word pseudoscience, to him Pseudoscience usage differs from that of modern day -- he used that for Bolsheviks as epithet for his fellow Jews having to teach politically-correct Marxist views in what we now would call 'soft' sciences. Markbassett (talk) 11:50, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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To avoid being blocked ...

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snippet to hide off-topic discussion fm progressive tax talk -- at the top

Markbassett (talk) 02:40, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

TALK at Creation-Evolution Controversy

It appeared that the other editors were not swayed by the facts that I brought up and I did not try to press the point beyond that. Dan Watts (talk) 20:56, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Your message

Hi, I noticed you posted a message at User talk:Barney the barney barney but it's been 8 months since that editor was active and I'm not sure if or when he will return. Liz 16:28, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Talk! Thanks for pointing that out. It was to ask for more description of what it was on Haldane's Dilemma he meant in tagging it fringe -- the topic and that conclusions are controversial seems clear enough, so I'm not seeing what the concern was -- and there's no talk section. I'll do due diligence and leave the post for a while before doing more. Markbassett (talk) 16:04, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Surprise ! I've been blocked - and explanation only says "Long-term abuse: User:Philm540" ????

This happened sometime after my edit of 17:05 19 August and noon of 22 August, but there is no apparent reason for a block, even for a topic block, as far as I can see.

• Nothing really said what this is about, there was nothing explanatory in the post.
• I'm blocked so unable to post messages at the User:KrakatoaKatie to ask what this is.
• I did not find my name in the Active Case list, nor the Archive or Full case list
• I do not have anything on my talk page
• I have not seen any heated warnings to me or heated mentions about at any recent Talk or edits that pinged misconduct
• I see no unexplained activity in my contributions that would indicate account hacked
• I'm also unable to see anything contentious in the last few days of my edits to cause this - the last few things I've done seem nothings, design review, a scheduling disambiguation, and some Talk items mostly from WP:RSN and WP:RFC/A. The RSN and RFC were on contentious topics, but my inputs were polite responses to questions.
• Last edits on what seem hot pages were nothing much - 17 Aug removed dead wikilinking around a phrase at article Lost Cause of the Confederacy; 13 Aug put in book linking at History of Eugenics; 2 August, move a few ref tags left in the sentence to the part they supported at Creation–evolution controversy.

I see an odd message my Special Notifications a day ago "User:Markbassett/Sandbox was patrolled by DragonFlySixtyseven a day ago, but I'm not understanding what that means and see no reason that my sandbox would cause a block.

The complete text I see on edits now is as follows: - - - - Editing from 2600:1002:B000:0:0:0:0:0/39 has been blocked (disabled) by KrakatoaKatie for the following reason(s):

Long-term abuse: User:Philm540

This block has been set to expire: 19:28, 11 February 2016. - - -

Please remove and/or explain this block. Thank you.

Markbassett (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

seems a glitch - no info given in notice, not finding info, no recent activity known

Accept reason:

Ip-block exemption granted, see below. --slakr 03:44, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

That means you're editing from a blocked range which isn't set to "anonymous users only". Rangeblocks are generally used as a last resort to curb a long-term or IP-hopping vandal's disruption. Individual IPs can't be blocked independent of the range. —Jeremy v^_^v 19:22, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

@Markbassett: Sorry for the confusion. We can likely grant an ip block exception (IPBE) for you to continue editing. I've gone ahead and requested a quick check for this, and if that comes back fine, everything we can grant the IPBE immediately. In the meantime (hopefully less than a day), be sure to read and understand the conditions for being granted IPBE. Cheers =) --slakr 02:34, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

...and done. Let us know if you continue to encounter any issues. Cheers =) --slakr 03:44, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

--slakr Thanks... I'm going to limit my use of free wifi for a bit and see if those IPs were the issue. Markbassett (talk) 23:44, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

School and student project pages

Odd -- at illegal immigration, a Talk post mentioned being a senior at Rice University and intending to craft a page. Healthcare availability for undocumented immigrants She was/isKatcai02 and gotten a barnstar about Use of restraints on pregnant women .

Looking at her activity history led to finding another student at LHall19 and a general search for 'senior at rice' with site:wikipedia.org' turned up Wang1991 (and many others) who mentioned a class page Human Development

Love it ? Hate it ? Maybe systematically such will flush out due to low hits ... but then many small topics are in same kind of situation. Hmm.

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p.s. looking at contributor led to another class Misplaced Pages:Wiki Ed/California State University, Fullerton/Gender and Technoculture (Fall 2015) which says it is autogenerated class page ... hunh. Markbassett (talk) 18:58, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

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Creationism

You're at three reverts. Use the talk page please. --NeilN 17:48, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Already did . On just a 'this one is not appropriate cite to what the line says' nit ... Markbassett (talk) 18:16, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

You are currently at 4 (, , , ). And if I include an extra 3 hours, it's actually 5 () This would lead to a block if I reported it at AN3. I would very strongly suggest refraining from any further reverts on the page and leaning exclusively on discussion for a little while. Keeping yourself at a 1rr or 2rr for a few days is a surefire way of avoiding this sort of problem. Best of luck.   — Jess· Δ♥ 17:55, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Jess You've confused different items being edited:

* in the lead, the inappropriate cite on 'scientists say': second cite is not nor is he talking about them

* in the section 2.3.1, identifying who began calling it IDC as opposed the to the WP:WEASEL 'some'

Otherwise, see the TALK at creationism - it is discussed, although this all seems a bit overkill for fixing such tiny nit badnesses. Markbassett (talk) 18:00, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Mark, please read WP:3rr again. The rule applies to reverting the same or different content. I have no stake in the debate; you'll notice I hadn't engaged with this issue in any capacity. I was just pointing out that you had breached 3rr, which is a blockable offense. I didn't report you, but I wanted you to be aware of what was happening, so you could avoid that behavior in the future. I'd suggest sticking to a 1rr or 2rr for yourself on that page for a few days and engaging with others on the talk page a little more. Best of luck.   — Jess· Δ♥ 20:28, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Jess Ah, you're correct I see -- ANY edit to the page counts, regardless of if they are different sections or different intents. Kind of leads towards ominibus edits, which I wouldn't like, or just going real slow, which I'm more inclined towards. (Except I may forget about it during a pause... eh, still better.) Markbassett (talk) 20:44, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

p.s. Further thought ... that TRR is open to ANY three edits to an article within 24 hours could be viewed as a TRR seems a bit flawed, not an issue for me often but on any active discussion it would be sure to occur ... maybe a village pump topic. Markbassett (talk) 15:28, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

In general, no. The point of EW rules is to encourage editors to work together, not against one another. If you've made several edits that have been reverted, the best course of action is to propose edits on the talk page before changing the article. You should not be hitting 3rr in the regular course of your editing, and if you are, it's a sign you could be doing a better job of engaging other editors before making controversial changes.

There are places where 3rr fails. Meatpuppetry on low-trafficked articles is one, and unfortunately results in an article reflecting inappropriate content for a while until discussion runs its course in a formal venue. Very rarely, two editors productively collaborating may break 3rr, but this even more rarely results in a report. The biggest issue with 3rr is when a disruptive editor makes a series of inappropriate changes that are all unique, without discussion or reverting, and 3rr limits more experienced editors from returning the article to its stable state. We have IAR and BLP exemptions for egregious cases... but really, it's important to recognize that every article is "in progress", and generally speaking, it's okay if it isn't perfect for a few days. Fixing these issues is less important than encouraging discussion and collaboration, at least in the minds of many editors, and it's for that reason posting to VPP is unlikely to result in any sort of change. Good luck either way, though.   — Jess· Δ♥ 15:49, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

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References

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This looks like spam, since it did not cite an article or other specific. However, with scanning the contributions, I think it is a mis-fire re Stem-cell therapy that incorrectly rejected a National MS Society mention of JAMA report, both of which are the highest quality RS. If he meant the Stem Cell Therapy, what is 'good enough' if the National MS Society report of JAMA is not ? Not making sense here so I will post to the article TALK and undo the delete. Markbassett (talk) 13:43, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Just a Friendly Suggestion

Heya, Mark. Just a friendly suggestion: you might want to put something on your user page, even if it's just an image or a single sentence, so it's no longer redlinked. I got a bit confused as to whether I was using the reply template correctly, for example, because your name was redlinked. When other users refer to you, it can also give the mistaken impression to readers (especially new users) that a user by your name doesn't exist. There's a variety of similar situations in which it would be more logistically ideal that your user page was bluelinked, aside from it just looking better - like you're an editor here to stay; as you've probably noticed, the majority of redlinked names are new users or single purpose accounts. As I said, its just a suggestion (and you're certainly under no obligation to do anything of the sort), but I thought I would propose it. Have a good day, my friend. :) Quinto Simmaco (talk) 20:52, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Quinto Simmaco Understood, but WP:User pages has that open to choice and I chose to have and use my Talk page but had no purpose or desire for a User profile page, and did not want to redirect it to the Talk page as that seemed just confusing. I actually get a small side benefit that Red helps me find my posts in a Talk. Markbassett (talk) 21:17, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I have a suggestion for that, as far as helping you to sight your posts. Go to this page, and copy the text there: User:Quinto_Simmaco/common.js, and paste it to User:Markbassett/common.js. It will highlight all of the posts you've made. It also has the added benefit of displaying the most pertinent and useful user data and page data at the top of any page, among other things. By this, I mean things such as when it was last edited, who created it, etc. For users, it displays their permissions, current status, how long they've been on Misplaced Pages, and the number of their contributions. It has numerous other benefits which I can't recall at the moment. Most of the veteran users here, especially administrators or those serving bureaucratic functions, have a similar script page with the same capabilites. User:L235 is the user who encouraged me to adopt those javascript additions. Honestly, I'm pretty sure you'll find it invaluable, and wonder how you ever did without it. Quinto Simmaco (talk) 21:39, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Hello there

Hi Mark, just a quick note to explain myself. I really don't have any issue with anything you've said. I used your comment as an example of a point I have been trying to make about detrimental effects of the "public perception" addition to the original intent of the RfC. I thought you had rejected the WHO proposal based on the fact that it didn't mention public perception. I misread your comment though, so my apologies for the confusion. Enjoy!! petrarchan47คุก 00:09, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

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July 2016

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Rolfing. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Alexbrn - ??? there are several edits I've done and even undone some of my own, are you speaking of a general remark of caution ? If it is something in particular, please specify which of the edits there you are concerned about, and what is the concern you have and I'll respond. Markbassett (talk) 17:58, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

You are reverting a lot, at times repeatedly to your own "version". Generally if you get reverted by somebody else, you should take it to Talk (maybe following the advice of WP:BRD) and not just re-revert to the disputed version. E.g. there are reasons why text is quoted and your removal of the quotation marks is disputed, by me! The template is a formality, but is useful because if an edit-warring case is opened for you it shows you have been alerted to the WP:EW policy, and so ignorance is not an excuse. Alexbrn (talk) 18:04, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Alexbrn - Umm. "Undo own" hardly counts as an edit war -- in doing small revertable edits I simply got to the end of three small edits and didn't like the result so undid each in sequence and did other parts. Quoting -- If you wish to specifically defend the enquoting of a line, please do so -- I'm looking at the line about ACS feeling "concern" over rolfing people with cancer, followed by a cite, and thinking that encyclopedic is to simply SAY it with the supporting cite. Unless there is some opposing party and we're making the side clear, or it is some special catchphrase ... I'm simply not seeing anything other than what seems basic fix needed. Markbassett (talk) 19:21, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

I'm no so concerned about "concern" as the verbatim phrase from the Australian review you've reverted to twice. Alexbrn (talk) 20:04, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Alexbrn Ah, there. For that line I can draw equivalent words from the article, though I think the encyclopedic drive is to convey the meaning accurately more than exact quote but will look at there now and try again that way. Markbassett (talk) 12:14, 15 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for trying Markbassett, I can only encourage you to continue. Sadly, I'm afraid I have been topic banned until March 2017, so will be unable to help you or anyone interested in improving / defending the improvements made to the article in the last weeks. SashiRolls (talk) 05:43, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your support

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Apparently, someone on the Admin page wants to do a subject ban on me for all American History, so I have decided I will just leave Misplaced Pages and do my reading/research in a more unbiased and less hateful forum, but I wanted to thank you again for your support and contribution to my argument on the Red Shirts article. Take care.KAvin (talk) 05:38, 19 October 2016 (UTC)KAvin

AE Trump

Hi Markbassett.

The first 2 links you cite each deleted the following

Trump has been publicly accused by at least twelve women of sexual assault]] since the 1980s. Several of these allegations preceded Trump's 2016 candidacy for president; many more arose during that campaign, especially after the revelation of appeared to brag about committing sexual assault. He has, describing them as part of a wider campaign to smear his candidacy and reputation.

So they are both "reverts" as defined.

The other two also delete article text, so each is a revert as defined. It doesn't have to be the same text each time. So it's 4RR here where only 1RR is permitted -- per the notice on the article talk page.

SPECIFICO talk 20:05, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

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