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| I'll deal here with the "Primary sources" and "Overly detailed" issues. Please remember that, per ] on Diannaa's talk page, I have no connection with Retrospect Inc. other than as a long-time, fairly-satisfied software customer. | I'll deal here with the "Primary sources" and "Overly detailed" issues. Please remember that, per ] on Diannaa's talk page, I have no connection with Retrospect Inc. other than as a long-time, fairly-satisfied software customer. | ||
| It helps here to know a bit about the recent history of Retrospect, which I've learned from the few articles about it (see the links in the article) and reading between the lines—because Retrospect Inc. won't discuss it publicly. EMC |
It helps here to know a bit about the recent history of Retrospect, which I've learned from the few articles about it (see the links in the article) and reading between the lines—because Retrospect Inc. won't discuss it publicly. EMC shut down its Insignia division—that included the Retrospect product—in 2007. EMC re-hired some of the Retrospect engineers in 2008 and put them into its newly-acquired Iomega division. Those engineers went against Iomega management and developed a greatly enhanced Retrospect Macintosh version 8 with a changed UI. The new version was shipped in 2009 in a hurry without sufficient testing, and Retrospect Macintosh customer satisfaction slipped because of the changed UI and many bugs. The new version of Retrospect was apparently canceled, and Retrospect was not officially revived until 2011 as Retrospect Mac 9—which was mostly a bug-fixed Retrospect Mac 8 with a few new features. | ||
| As a result of this, the WP article on Retrospect that existed in early October 2016 was only a couple of 4-line paragraphs followed by 4 one-line paragraphs, summarized the program as it existed in 2006, and was written in 2009. When I tried to enhance the article, I ran into the fact that ''there are no modern secondary sources'' other than one short Macworld review by Stuart Gripman; there are only the primary-source Retrospect Mac User's Guides that are 250+ pages long. In enhancing the article, I've essentially tried to create a secondary source that is longer than that review but ''much'' shorter than the User's Guide. At 7 screen pages, exclusive of the references, I think I've done reasonably well. Retrospect is ''much'' more sophisticated than ], whose WP article is only 2.5 pages exclusive of references. My intention is ''not'' to create a condensed version of the Mac Version 13 User's Guide, but to explain the ''basic concepts'' of Retrospect's many features well enough to allow a potential user to decide whether Retrospect will fulfill his/her requirements. | |||
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| That's why I decided to adopt a historical approach. After enhancing the original article as the "Concepts prior to Retrospect Macintosh 8" section, I added sections outlining the ''most''-major new features of each release from "Retrospect Macintosh 8" through "Retrospect Macintosh 13 and Retrospect Windows 11". Looking at these, I can now see that ''some'' of the paragraphs that begin with the word "Improved" or "Faster" could be considered "exhaustive logs of software updates"; however some of those paragraphs also describe Retrospect features not discussed previously. | |||
| I also agree that the "The line columns show ..." sentences in each of the 6 doubly-indented paragraphs following the "All-new, customizable interface" paragraph in the "Retrospect Macintosh 8" section are overly detailed, and should be left to the User's Guide. The same is true for all sentences following the first sentence in the "Custom reporting" paragraph later in that same section. | |||
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Retrospect (software)
You have edited this article recently quite a lot, but also introduced multiple issues to it:
{{MOS}}{{Overly detailed}}{{Primary sources}}
Please note that Misplaced Pages is not for exhaustive logs of software updates. I was about to borderline nominate the article for deletion, but I'll give the article some time if the issues are fixed.
Earwig's Copyvio Detector came up with a result of 39,4% for the article. Unlikely to be a violation so far, but I'd be cautious. 80.221.159.67 (talk) 03:25, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I'll deal here with the "Primary sources" and "Overly detailed" issues. Please remember that, per this section on Diannaa's talk page, I have no connection with Retrospect Inc. other than as a long-time, fairly-satisfied software customer.
It helps here to know a bit about the recent history of Retrospect, which I've learned from the few articles about it (see the links in the article) and reading between the lines—because Retrospect Inc. won't discuss it publicly. EMC shut down its Insignia division—that included the Retrospect product—in 2007. EMC re-hired some of the Retrospect engineers in 2008 and put them into its newly-acquired Iomega division. Those engineers went against Iomega management and developed a greatly enhanced Retrospect Macintosh version 8 with a changed UI. The new version was shipped in 2009 in a hurry without sufficient testing, and Retrospect Macintosh customer satisfaction slipped because of the changed UI and many bugs. The new version of Retrospect was apparently canceled, and Retrospect was not officially revived until 2011 as Retrospect Mac 9—which was mostly a bug-fixed Retrospect Mac 8 with a few new features.
As a result of this, the WP article on Retrospect that existed in early October 2016 was only a couple of 4-line paragraphs followed by 4 one-line paragraphs, summarized the program as it existed in 2006, and was written in 2009. When I tried to enhance the article, I ran into the fact that there are no modern secondary sources other than one short Macworld review by Stuart Gripman; there are only the primary-source Retrospect Mac User's Guides that are 250+ pages long. In enhancing the article, I've essentially tried to create a secondary source that is longer than that review but much shorter than the User's Guide. At 7 screen pages, exclusive of the references, I think I've done reasonably well. Retrospect is much more sophisticated than Time Machine, whose WP article is only 2.5 pages exclusive of references. My intention is not to create a condensed version of the Mac Version 13 User's Guide, but to explain the basic concepts of Retrospect's many features well enough to allow a potential user to decide whether Retrospect will fulfill his/her requirements.
That's why I decided to adopt a historical approach. After enhancing the original article as the "Concepts prior to Retrospect Macintosh 8" section, I added sections outlining the most-major new features of each release from "Retrospect Macintosh 8" through "Retrospect Macintosh 13 and Retrospect Windows 11". Looking at these, I can now see that some of the paragraphs that begin with the word "Improved" or "Faster" could be considered "exhaustive logs of software updates"; however some of those paragraphs also describe Retrospect features not discussed previously.
I also agree that the "The line columns show ..." sentences in each of the 6 doubly-indented paragraphs following the "All-new, customizable interface" paragraph in the "Retrospect Macintosh 8" section are overly detailed, and should be left to the User's Guide. The same is true for all sentences following the first sentence in the "Custom reporting" paragraph later in that same section. DovidBenAvraham (talk) 08:11, 23 October 2016 (UTC)