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Comment on David Jolly edits

Hi, I'm a reporter with BuzzFeed News. After noticing David Jolly's Senate campaign edited his Misplaced Pages page (something they've admitted to) they accused you of working for a rival campaign to make unflattering edits.

Could you email me at Andrew@buzzfeed.com with a response on this?

Thanks,

Andrew Kaczynski, reporter BuzzFeed News

Huh. Well this is bizarre. It appears I got caught in the crossfire of some COI editing by Jolly's staff. Champaign Supernova (talk) 15:35, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Here's the article, the David Jolly campaign specifically accused you of working for the campaign of a rival? Any comment on that? Are you just a regular editor. http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/florida-senate-campaign-admits-to-scrubbing-candidates-wikip?utm_term=.qsLlgK06g#.oyKDxp2bx

Oy vey. It's an absurd allegation. I made my first edit to the David Jolly page on February 29, 2016. I made some minor copy-edits, added sources for information already in the article, and added a section on his 2016 re-election bid. I didn't remove any information or add any "propaganda" (whatever that means). The Scientology stuff and the other information his campaign attempted to scrub has been in the article for months and in some cases for years. None of it was added by me, or by the other user, CFredkin, who the campaign has accused. It looks to me like a political campaign got caught red-handed trying to scrub a page, and they are now engaging in some sort of conspiracy theory to try to take attention off of their blunder. I'm not interested in engaging with it, and this is the last I'll say on the matter. Champaign Supernova (talk) 16:50, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, appreciate the quick responses here. Have a good day. AK

You've Been Awarded The BuzzFeed Famous Barnstar

	BuzzFeed Famous
	Because sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction. Onward and upward, eh? Champaign Supernova (talk) 00:46, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Religion in infoboxes

I've reverted your addition of religion to the infobox of Brad Ashford. This is partly because of the principles expressed at MOS:INFOBOX: the purpose of an infobox is to summarize key facts from the article, and the less material it contains, the better. Ashford's religion was not even mentioned in the article, and nothing that I've read indicates that it's been a major issue (the way that, for instance, John F. Kennedy's Catholicism or Mitt Romney's Mormonism were major issues). Moreover, an RFC on the issue of religion in infoboxes (Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_126#RfC:_Religion_in_biographical_infoboxes) produced a fairly strong consensus in favor of leaving religion out, even if it was possible to determine it from reliable sources, except in cases where it had attracted significant media attention. — Ammodramus (talk) 02:09, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

That makes sense. I hadn't seen that recent RFC. Thanks for the explanation. Champaign Supernova (talk) 04:01, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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Comstock Voting Record

Sorry, I'm new to Misplaced Pages editing and I did not know about the Talk page. Happy to explain my reasoning here.

I reinstated the information about Conservative Review's grade of Comstock's voting record. There is no judgmental language in the statement posted, simply a factual accounting of how one conservative organization views this Republican congresswoman's voting record. It is very appropriate information for her page.

Thanks,

OakTreeByWindow (talk) 16:58, 25 July 2016 (UTC)OakTreeByWindow

OakTreeByWindow, please participate on the talk page of Barbara Comstock where I started a discussion several weeks ago. My concern is that Conservative Review's grade isn't notable absent a secondary source confirming its notability. Members of Congress are routinely given "grades" by hundreds of interest groups. We can't include them all, so we should only include grades that were deemed noteworthy enough to cover by secondary sources. Please gain consensus at article talk rather than edit-warring. Champaign Supernova (talk) 19:16, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

I don't know how to find the "talk page of Barbara Comstock" so I'll have to respond here. First, it seems the "edit warring" you mentioned was a two-way street. Secondly, your initial reason for deleting the information I provided on Comstock's voting record was that Conservative Review didn't meet the Reliable Sources standard. Now, you are asking for another source confirming it's notability. The target seems to be moving. The information provided is accurate, sourced and part of Comstock's record. Comstock's page includes endorsements she received from various organization without any secondary sourcing to indicate their notability. I think the information I posted is on solid footing.

OakTreeByWindow (talk) 02:12, 29 July 2016 (UTC)OakTreeByWindow

OakTreeByWindow, the place to have this discussion is Talk:Barbara Comstock. Please participate there, thank you. Champaign Supernova (talk) 15:39, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

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Hilary Rosen

Hello Champaign Supernova, once upon a great while ago, you helped me out with the updating of a BLP where I had a financial COI. I'm here about a similar case today, Hilary Rosen. About three weeks ago I posted a request on her discussion page, offering an updated "Career" section with a concise-as-possible explanation why. Alas, I haven't had any response whatsoever, even after trying various wikiprojects and reaching out to some editors who had been previously active on the page. Would you be willing to take a look at the proposed update? Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 14:46, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Good, news, the request above has since been resolved. I posted another one last week, though responses are still very slow on this page, with no replies yet. If you're willing to have a look and consider the new one, that would be great. If not, I won't bug you a third time. :) WWB Too (Talk · COI) 21:08, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

WWB Too, sorry I forgot to respond to your first posting here. I just took a look at the Rosen article and implemented your suggested changes, as they looked like an overall improvement to me. Champaign Supernova (talk) 16:30, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

No worries, I'm sure you're busy. And as I've pinged you on the Rosen Talk page, my turn to apologize: I didn't realize the reference would be undefined, because it's defined in the next section I had to propose. Over there I've offered two solutions: one, the correct reference to put into place. Two, reverting the bot and adding one or both of the next sections. Whichever the case, I greatly appreciate your help. WWB Too (Talk · COI) 20:14, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi again. Sorry to have to ask again about the Hilary Rosen entry, but I am down to the last couple of requests, and it's been very difficult to get a response on the current one, even after seeking help from WikiProjects and several active editors. So I am here again to see if you'll review proposed text related to her LGBT advocacy work, plus a short "Personal life" section. If you are willing to help again, you can see the request and an explanation of the suggested changes here. Let me know what you think, and cheers! WWB Too (Talk · COI) 20:14, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

@WWB Too: I responded to your request on the talk page of Hilary Rosen. Champaign Supernova (talk) 18:19, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Tom Reed

Hello, Champaign Supernova. I disagree that the phrase "Despite wide-spread criticism within his district" should be removed from the section on Reed's continued endorsement of Donald Trump. It is the lede in a news story, not an editorial, in a daily paper from his district and in fact is its headline. The fact that Reed continued to endorse Trump in August is only significant in light of the opposition from his own constituents; otherwise there would be no reason to mention it. The contested phrase does not violate NPOV ("...the neutral point of view does not mean exclusion of certain points of view, but including all verifiable points of view which have sufficient due weight." According to legitimate news reports, constituents oppose Reed's endorsement of Trump for reasons specified in the referenced news story. Reed, in turn, says he will continue to endorse Trump for reasons specified in the referenced August story. These two references give readers the opportunity to see why some constituents oppose the endorsement and why Reed maintains it. I do not inted to ghet into a fight over this, but I respectfully think you should revert the change. Joalkap (talk) 19:45, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments--if you want to continue this discussion, please move it to Talk:Tom Reed (politician), thanks. Champaign Supernova (talk) 22:06, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

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Your deletions in Jason Lewis article

Do you have a reply to this? --BoogaLouie (talk) 18:16, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Edit Request on Morgan Carroll

Hi Champaign Supernova, I wanted to again thank you for informing this newbie in regards to Misplaced Pages policy. I have now uploaded suggested edits to Morgan Carroll via the request edit protocol. However, requested edits have a backlog of over a year, and as access to a more in depth Misplaced Pages profile is time sensitive and could prove instrumental in equal access to information regarding candidates (compare current Morgan Carroll v. Mike Coffman), I humbly ask if you could look through Talk:Morgan Carroll and add any information you deem to be neutral edits, particularly from the section on Colorado State Legislature.

Thanks, Slichtin (talk) 17:00, 16 September 2016 (UTC)Slichtin

@Slichtin: I have seen your edit requests and I'm beginning to go through them and respond. Champaign Supernova (talk) 18:09, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! I have posted some follow ups on Talk:Morgan Carroll, most importantly responding to your requests for additional secondary sources. Slichtin (talk) 22:35, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Joe Heck

Hey there, not nice to delete hours of well-referenced material. The Buzzfeed material, e.g. , was cited (as noted) by the Washington Post and many others. They broke the story. The Daily Kos is a sidenote too. 95% of what has been added comes from impartial records of voting in the House of Representatives. E.g. VoteSmart, which takes no positions one way or the other.--Smilo Don (talk) 22:00, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

I will respond on the article talk page. Champaign Supernova (talk) 22:13, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Please come have a look: working hard to incorporate your changes, with tone changes and with more citations from newsmedia. --Smilo Don (talk) 14:17, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Personal complaint of users responding to your Rob Portman deletions during 2016 US senate election

Please use this section to discuss your personal complaints with users such as myself or Camairaen regarding your deletions of material from the Rob Portman page. Thank you.

According to Misplaced Pages policies, you engaged in edit-warring. After the information which you deleted was restored, you were asked to open sections on the talk page. You again made the same deletions. Following my restoration, and then the same deletions from both you and BringthePaine, Camairaen observed the degree to which you edit-warred resembled Internet trolling. I acknowledged the comment, believing you both to be making mass-edits on behalf of a politically partisan entity such as a party or committee. My comment "Looks like a duck, acts like a duck..." was not a personal attack, but used to illustrate Camairaen's observation of your actions by connecting the entry on Internet trolling.--Republicsisterhood (talk) 23:10, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Calling another user a "troll" is a clear and obvious violation of WP:NPA. Moreover, the edit histories of you, Camairaen, and OhioTruths are suspicious and seem to point to sock or meat puppetry. For example, I find it highly implausible that OhioTruths would be inactive for 3.5 years and then a mere two hours after you canvased him, he would suddenly become active on Misplaced Pages again. Huh. I'm not too worried about it, though, since your plan to protect the page seems to have backfired on you. Whoops! Champaign Supernova (talk) 22:56, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

You repeatedly made deletions of objective material. With your lack of activity on the page and one look at your contributions, it's apparent the deletions were made without objective motivations. That is why the page was protected, and will continue to be protected if you do it again.--Camairaen (talk) 23:22, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for having the page protected, by the way. You locked in my preferred version of the page. Good one. :-D Champaign Supernova (talk) 23:30, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

No, it was done by your own hand. Your last deletion of objective material was made after the protection was requested but before the request was fulfilled.--Camairaen (talk) 23:51, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

I guess that'll teach you to use page protection as a filibuster mechanism rather than discussing content issues on the talk page. Lulz. Champaign Supernova (talk) 02:20, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

The page "What is a troll?" will help inform this situation.--Terrace Rock (talk) 22:05, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

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