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Proposed merge with Choi Soon-sil

Short article containing only material pertaining to 2016 South Korean political scandal. In addition, given that it is a BLP dealing primarily with accusations of the subject, increased traffic and scrutiny should result in less chance of BLP policy violations. Melmann 16:19, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

• I oppose. The woman is at the center of the scandal. It's inappropriate for the title to have a -gate suffix so early on in the history of the event. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Note There is a merge discussion in progress on Talk:Choi Soon-sil#Proposed merge with 2016 South Korean political scandal. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. Sawol (talk) 08:23, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Contested deletion

The scandal itself definitely meets notability criteria and has no shortage of verifiable sources. However, I agree with the sentiment that '-gate' is too forced and is not yet the common name. Proposing move page into 2016 South Korean political scandal and changing this page to redirect instead. tonyxc600 comms logs 11:35, 30 October 2016 (UTC)7

• I second this --FPSTurkey (talk) 13:23, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
• "Choi Soon-sil gate"(최순실 게이트) are very common name in Korea. . Ten thousand of news mentioned this scandal as a Choi Soon-sil gate (최순실 게이트)-10000금 (talk) 13:30, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Most uses I see are coming from Korean media sources. It's premature to use it as the title unless it's a prevalent name in English-language media. — ʀoyoтϵ 20:49, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
• Seconded, moving is more appropriate (I nominated the page). — ʀoyoтϵ 20:49, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... There needs to be a wiki page explaining clearly, in English, the current Scandal involving the Korean President and Choi Soon-sil! --86.128.39.37 (talk) 11:37, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) There are ten thousand newses about "Choi Soon-sil gate"(최순실 게이트).--10000금 (talk) 13:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 31 October 2016

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Melmann 05:03, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Choi Soon-sil gate → 2016 South Korean political scandal – Was proposed for speedy deletion under section 2.2.8 of the speedy deletion field guide, but moving is more appropriate. It's too early to use a -gate suffix. Pending adoption of the name in English media, we should change the name. — ʀoyoтϵ 18:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Support. It's also more formal and correct. It also covers not only Choi Soon-Sil but everybody involved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opacitatic (talk • contribs) 01:26, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

• Support – I think it should be speedied. Using -gate instead of scandal should be avoided—especially for non-U.S. topics—unless there is a clear consensus in English-language media of its use. --99.8.13.120 (talk) 01:36, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Support as 1) it is ongoing and could easily engulf/reveal additional people 2) the proposed name "2016 South Korean political scandal" is more clear and easy to find especially if people don't know the name of Choi Soon-sil (highly plausible). ₪RicknAsia₪

• Support To be fair, the term has been used in sources , , although it is a term used by the opposition to describe the scandal. However, considering the BLP concerns, I would say 2016 South Korean political scandal is an NPOV title and more descriptive. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 07:34, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

• Note that more publications are now using the term "political scandal"

1. South Korean political scandal: President Park's confidante Choi Soon Sil taken into custody Straits Times
2. Woman at center of South Korean political scandal: 'I've committed wrongs for which I deserve to die' LaTimes
3. Choi Soon-sil: Woman behind South Korean political scandal says she 'deserves death' Abc.net.au
4. Prosecutors detain woman at core of South Korean political scandal Hindustan Times
5. Choi Soon-sil, at Center of Political Scandal in South Korea, Is Jailed NYTimes

Overall, "political scandal" seems to be more used. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 18:05, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

• Support. Good idea. 95.133.216.135 (talk) 10:37, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Concensus reached. Page moved as per discussion. Please use WP:MR should you want to contest this. Melmann 05:03, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

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Requested move 1 November 2016

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The result of the move request was: Moved to 2016 South Korean political scandal. EdJohnston (talk) 17:16, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Choi Soon-sil gate → 2016 South Korean presidential scandal – President Park Geun-hye finds herself at the center of this scandal. The persons concerned are hardly politicians. Most of them are Blue House staff, government employees, and nongovernment people. Sawol (talk) 15:44, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

• Oppose I think "political scandal" is the more widely used term in English language sources. See my comment in the requested move above for the various newspapers using the term. The term "Presidential scandal" is also being used by some sources, but not as widely as the term political scandal. I would say 2016 South Korean presidential scandal is good as a redirect. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 18:08, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

What about 2016 South Korean scandal ? I don't know of any other notable scandals this year for South Korea besides this so an adjective may not bec necessary. Ranze (talk) 04:58, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

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Building a body

I can see plenty of references all included here to establish the notability of the incident and fend off deletionists wanting to nix it, but now I think we need to focus on what statements we can take from these references to explain the scandal. Perhaps due to the controversial nature and it involving a leader we should bring up concepts and discuss on the talk what we ought to say about them first.

Can we say anything about "The 8 Goddess"? I read something about it being 8 female billionaires and Choi being one of them but am not sure how much of that is actually supported by evidence. Ranze (talk) 05:02, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Information

A lot of information should be added to this from the 2016 South Korean Protest CriticalThunder (talk) 16:13, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

I believe you mean 2016 South Korean protests right? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 08:14, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

NPOV?

I admit I don't know the country's politics/situation at all, but after reading the article, much of it seems to be one-sided. What do others think? Does anyone who knows the situation/story better know how to help regarding WP:NPOV (for translators: simple:WP:NPOV, ko:백:NPOV)? Zeniff (talk) 05:02, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

As a native Korean who knows it all, I described it very objectively. The scandal is far more serious and corrupt than the description, and more information will be added.(User:Freewillforever) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freewillforever (talk • contribs)

Freewillforever, I have reverted the edits per WP:BLP. Essentially, we are not supposed to say that "X has done this wrong" unless a court of law has proven the charges. The content needs to be WP:NPOV at all times. Please do not revert and edit war here. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 11:11, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

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