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A barnstar for you!

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	I noticed that you haven't edited in quite some time, so I just wanted to let you know that your efforts here were greatly appreciated and are missed! TDL (talk) 05:40, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Seconded. I hope everything is OK, and look forward to seeing you around for more excellent country related work in future!  — Amakuru (talk) 13:11, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you TDL and Amakuru for your messages; they are appreciated. Put simply, I was growing increasingly tired of Misplaced Pages editing and the conflicts that came with it, and so decided to leave for awhile. My life has since moved on, and having more time I hope to pop around more often from now on. Glad to see you both still editing. Regards, CMD (talk) 22:34, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Good to see you back! I'm still doing what I can, when I have the time, which is not as often as I'd like, sadly. All the best, and looking forward to seeing you here when you pop in.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:26, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Welcome back! Yes I know the feeling well. It's often hard to stay motivated around here. TDL (talk) 03:44, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Moving Burma to Myanmar - new 2015 poll

You participated in a Burma RM in the past so I'm informing you of another RM. I hope I didn't miss anyone. New move attempt of Burma>Myanmar Fyunck(click) (talk) 09:31, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

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Small Potatoes ( grammar )

Pentecost falls on the tenth day after Ascension Thursday (40 days after Easter). The sentence above is formally confusing , on its face . This sentence is the last line of the introductory paragraph . I could delve into the formal reasons for this structure/meaning confusion ,but the obviousness of the problem , would argue against any such tiresome chore . The , all too apparent , shoddy syntax , could be easily remedied by the deletion of the parentheses and the addition of 2 words to render the phrase therein as a clausal construct . Well , " eezy-peezy " you might think - if your inner dialogue included late 90's idiom - but , as it turns out , not so . The last time I engaged in this sort of ad-hoc syntactical smoothing for the purpose of clarifying , not changing , a writer's meaning - I believe it was , as basic as, noun-verb number agreement - my virtual knuckles were smartly rapped with a threat to report and then brand me with some odious Acronym . Needless to say , I refrained from reverting , nor did I engage in disputation , for a number of reasons . At this point , I could go on , concerning the distinction between proof-reading and editorial concerns , but I won't -- And I won't alter the confused and confusing sentence that occasioned this overly prolix diatribe .Bjhodge8 (talk) 05:44, 27 January 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjhodge8 (talk • contribs)

                                                                                                                                           I posted the above on the ,https://en.wikipedia.org/Pentecost  talk-page . I think I need some friendly guidance . B

Why are you doing this?!?

Hello. I've just wondered because of your reverts! You really don't have any convincing reasons for your reverts and I really don't know why are you doing this, but please stop. Those maps are exactly based on en:Köppen climate classification map. Also the new maps that I've uploaded are in vector format (their quality won't be lost by zooming). Many users have thanked me for those maps and I've just so wondered that why you are reverting! Please respond. Yours Sincerely Ali Zifan 03:02, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

You're placing these maps in every single country article (very high level articles) regardless of considerations including existing text, existing images, and individual utility of each map. This is in addition to the wider question of how much the average reader is likely to take from the map, given its very specific classification system and the paucity of information in the short sentence fragment captions given with them. I have aesthetic questions too, such as the inclusion of the title in the image when we have captions and a file names. CMD (talk) 03:19, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

If you have any problems with the title or the caption, why don't you update it or upload a new one??! If you think it "sandwiches" the texts why you don't rearrange the preview size? As I said I didn't make up those maps from myself. Those are completely based on koppen climate classification. Ali Zifan 03:48, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

If there are pre-existing images there's only so much preview size can do, especially on wider monitors. This does not at any rate address the issues I noted. Nowhere though have I said anything about the maps being made up, so if you could explain that point I'd appreciate it. CMD (talk) 07:10, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

Nagorno-Karabakh

This armenian oriented nagorno karabakh page continuously asserts that the land was always filled with armenians. I wonder why are my fucking edits being undone unreasonably when I have a solid proof of the facts that I have added. It is a fact that over 800,000 people have left the region as a result of united armenian-russian atrocities. Seeing the fucking sentences about the region consisting of always predominatly of armenians makes me mad. https://en.wikipedia.org/Nagorno-Karabakh_War. Here is ur fucking evidence. It is not fabricated we have tons of refugees living in Azerbaijan as a result of this Western-russia fuckery. An estimated 800,000 Azeris were displaced from the fighting including those from both Armenia and Karabakh — Preceding unsigned comment added by BloodPrison (talk • contribs) 17:30, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Specific edits should be backed up by WP:Reliable Sources. If you feel the NKR page is missing information, add it with a source, or discuss the matter on that article's talkpage and perhaps the editor who reverted you and others will participate in discussion there. CMD (talk) 10:28, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

deleted update

Why the updates are deleted. Why do you think that it is not appropriate.https://en.wikipedia.org/Nagorno-Karabakh_Republic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ferid Heziyev (talk • contribs) 13:40, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Revert previous edition of Kuala Lumpur

You had previous deleted my post in Kuala Lumpur which I had since reverted. You commented that there were "over-emphasis" without explaining further. However based on your input, I had cleaned up the introduction section and introduced a new sub-heading "Ranking As A Global City" to place the relevant articles under one headings.Escravoes (talk) 02:11, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

disputed territory

Hello, Chip! I jjst wanted to ask you to explain your logic to me. Disputed territory is not the same as self declared state. I will tell it in the easiest way. It is by far more neutral to say: "Something is disputed between that and that, while one think its this, and other think its that." Your proposition is like this: "Something is this. Someone thinks its that too, so its disputed what it is". As you can see, without this two words, we do not have NPOV, but POV with other opinions. All those "countries" are disputed between two entities, while both entities think is something else. Thats why i would revert your edits. --Axiomus (talk) 08:10, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Describing something as a "self-declared state" inherently notes a statement of dispute. Otherwise we'd describe them without the adjective "self-declared". Your assertion assumes that we use one view in the opening sentence, but we do not. All these entities consider themselves legitimate and proper states, and we do not say that they are for the reasons of balance you bring up. We are not saying "Something is this. Someone thinks its that too, so its disputed what it is", we are saying "Something is this", and then going on to describe what "this" is. CMD (talk) 14:56, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

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Reverted your persistents rollbacks of my inline citations to "Malaysia" and "Kuala Lumpur"

Your explanation that the data was "unsourced and undue. Military already covered in detail" was wrong as firstly, the sources are already provided (within Wiki itself! and the websites of the security forces) and secondly, "military" is NOT covered in the "Malaysia" webpage but in a separate webpage "Malaysian Armed Forces" and the "Royal Malaysian Police" while your explanation for your deletion of my post in the "2013 Lahad Datu standoff" was because that it was "not due to the Islamic insurgencies of Thailand or the Philippines" is irrelevant because nowhere was there any reference in my post that the incident was due to "to the Islamic insurgencies of Thailand or the Philippines."!Escravoes (talk) 04:41, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Escravoes, military is currently covered in the Foreign relations and Military subsection. As for sourcing, sources need to be on the page the text is on. Regarding the Lahad Datu standoff, you specifically put it in a sentence regarding Islamic insurgencies, writing "There are fears that extremist militants activities in the Muslim areas of the southern Philippines and southern Thailand would spill over into Malaysia, as it did in the 2013 Lahad Datu standoff when 235 seaborne Philippines militants attacked and killed 10 Malaysian soldiers and police officers and 6 civillians, with 56 fatalities on the militant's sides.." CMD (talk) 08:48, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Chipmunkdavis, Regarding your frequent persistent rollbacks on Malaysia, you had had stated that I had specifically put it in a sentence regarding Islamic insurgencies, writing "There are fears that extremist militants activities in the Muslim areas of the southern Philippines and southern Thailand would spill over into Malaysia.. where you commented that The Lahud (sic) Datu standoff was not due to the Islamic insurgencies of Thailand or the Philippines.

The statement There are fears that extremist militants activities in the Muslim areas of the southern Philippines and southern Thailand would spill over into Malaysia is NOT my statement and I did not wrote that line. as you had wrongly accused me off, when you wrote that The Lahud (sic) Datu standoff was not due to the Islamic insurgencies of Thailand or the Philippines.

That line referred to the "extremist militants from the Muslim areas of Phillipinnes" which was from where all the 2013 Lahad Datu standoff attackers came from!

It was stated in several references in the 2013 Lahad Datu standoff that the armed militants were indeed extremist militants from the Muslim areas of Sulu Province of the southern Philippines. But nowhere did any reference to the Islamic insurgencies of Thailand or the Philippines was mentioned in my statement, but you wrongly and mistakenly inferred that it was and hence your rollbacks!

However after your persistent rollbacks I had reverted the incident as follows: The Philippines has a dormant claim to the eastern part of Sabah, which burst into global spotlight from February 11, 2013 to March 24, 2013 when 235 seaborne militants from the Philippines attacked Lahad Datu, Sabah, ended after more than a month of battle, with 6 civilians and 10 Malaysian security forces personnel killed and 56 militants dead, resulted from a long-simmering unresolved territorial claim by the heirs to the Philippines Sulu sultans to eastern Sabah (the former North Borneo), Malaysia. (with inline citations included to BBC)

There is again no reference "to the Islamic insurgencies of Thailand or the Philippines."

Again your persistent and disruptive rollbacks on Kuala Lumpur's "Global And Regional Rankings" reflected your partiality on NPOV issues. I had referred to the WP:ONUS and WP:SUMMARYSTYLE to understand issues in recent Malaysia-related edits that you referred to and I am pleased that my comments fulfilled both criteria well. "Global And Regional Rankings" are directly relevant to the article and I cannot understand why you persisted and insisted that it is not. Escravoes (talk) 01:39, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Escravoes: If you are so obsessed to add those kind of spammy rankings . Why don't you give a try to add similar rankings like that to other popular city articles of Manila, Jakarta, Portland and London etc? Let's see whether you get reverted from those countries editors for the same reason or not. As for the Malaysia article, you separate those single words of territorial dispute into many paragraph which is not necessary for GA articles as it have been included in one paragraph. Herman Jaka (talk) 02:35, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Accusation of "Spammy Rankings" of Kuala Lumpur by Reuters, Trip Advisor, Daily Mail, by Herman Jaka

Herman Jaka It is unfortunate that you consider rankings of Kuala Lumpur quoted on Reuters, Tripadvisor, Daily Mail, The Huffington Post, several major Malaysian newsmedia and even mentioned specifically in a major global tourism conference in Kuala Lumpur as spammy rankings

As for the Malaysia article, I separated "those single words of territorial dispute into many paragraphs" to provide inline citations, which helped to improve content and facilitate cross-referencing and verifiability.Escravoes (talk) 02:51, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Escravoes: The website are not a spammy things. But the way you put along all those gargantuan (huge) rankings is not necessary for every city articles in Misplaced Pages which would be considered as spamming. Moreover, you put it before the history part which is not necessary to have its own section. Again, for Malaysia article, there is no need to separate it like that even if you provide additional citation. Herman Jaka (talk) 02:53, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Reply to Herman Jaka of those gargantuan (huge) rankings for Kuala Lumpur

Herman Jaka, Thanks for now admitting that my paragraphs are NOT 'spammy rankings. Much appreciated.

Your earlier "warning" to me of vandalism under threat of "This is your only warning; if you vandalize Misplaced Pages again, as you did at Kuala Lumpur, you may be blocked from editing without further notice" was uncalled for and premature.

I am at lost what you meant by "gargantuan (huge) rankings" as you put it, which you claimed I was so obsessed with. But if it is gargantuan because the rankings are "global and regional", then they are meant to be as such - both global and regional rankings and perhaps gigantic.

But in fact they are very reliable rankings from good reliable sources including the Financial Times, Reuters, Tripadvisor, which you should not have considered as Spam in the first place and kept reverting disruptively. If you had disagreed with me placing "rankings' before "history", then you or Chipmundavis could have constructively re-positioned the paragraph, rather than outright deletions, which you did several times. I had however re-positioned the "ranking" paragraph after "history"

Again, for Malaysia article, I separated "those single words of territorial dispute into many paragraphs" to provide inline citations, which helped to improve content and facilitate cross-referencing and verifiability. Escravoes (talk) 03:49, 22 May 2016 (UTC)

Reference to Rollbacks on Kuala Lumpur and Malaysia

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Voting to adopt new infobox

Please participate in a voting--g. balaxaZe★ 18:52, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Could you present your opinion?

Hi there, I did some digging, and I found out the notorious Georgian sockmaster Satt2, who had a frantic POV to try and push Georgia into Europe and break all its Asian bonds, really had a dislike for you. He created tons of socks over the span of many years all having the same insane obsession, namely "preaching" this Georgia is Europe agenda on Misplaced Pages. He often created socks with hate names referring to you ("Meurtrierdechipmunk", "Chipmunkmustdie", etc.) as well. Does this all ring some bells, perhaps? Well, he has returned on a new sock and has managed to dodge the bullet for a few months now. Glad I found the SPI case. Considering you had alot of interaction with previous socks, would you mind presenting your opinion here on the SPI case?. Bests and thanks - LouisAragon (talk) 01:57, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Your report is very detailed and convincing User:LouisAragon. As you can imagine, the evidence you have posted rings quite a few bells, given the former unpleasantness of dealing with this user that you mention. I was on a long wikibreak until recently, which is likely why I didn't notice this user. I am disappointed that this is all still going on. I will keep an eye on the SPI and will make an official comment if I feel it would be helpful, but frankly you've tied up the case pretty well. If the SPI goes through and the thankless task of removing their edits per WP:EVADE needs to begin, feel free to inform me and I will do what I can to help. CMD (talk) 22:48, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Hey, I haven't really been online since the 11th, so I couldn't give you a response. It's all over now anyways. Thanks for having reverted there where needed. If you need my help, opinion, comment or whatever regarding anything in the future, please don't hesitate to let me know. Bests and take care for now - LouisAragon (talk) 15:15, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

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Citation Hunting

Hi, I've recently started to help out using the 'citation hunt' page. I need to know the etiquette regarding facially absurd, or, after considerable research, unsupported 'facts' that have been cite-tagged. Should I go ahead and cut the passage or post to talk-page first? Sorry to bother you with this. Thanks.Bjhodge8 (talk) 22:04, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Hey Bjhodge8, a noble cause. The answer is to be WP:BOLD, while applying your judgement. If something has been cite tagged for awhile, and you can't find any sources about the point in question, there's no reason you shouldn't remove it. Add an edit summary explaining the removal of course. If it has only recently been tagged, or you feel there is merit to the statement even though you can't find a source, it may be worth leaving it for a bit. However, even then if you do choose to remove it (which you can), the worst that will happen is someone reverting it, so no harm done! CMD (talk) 22:20, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

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Draft:Kuala Lumpur Marathon

I have declined speedy deletion of the Kuala Lumpur Marathon draft and I have moved it to Draft:Kuala Lumpur Marathon. You indicted you wished to incorporate material from that draft to the main article, so I have not tagged the article for deletion. Be aware that I did tag it with an Articles for Creation tag and it will be deleted in six months time. Safiel (talk) 00:22, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

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Sukhumi

Hi Chip, to my amazement (I just had a proper read) the lede of the Sukhumi article contained some huge POV, and, of course, when I had a look at the revision history, thats mainly thanks to our buddy, who's doing his very best to keep that revision there at whatever cost. I just tweaked the lede to make it fit more conform the WP:NPOV standards and to actually reflect the verifiable facts, but I think, nevertheless, we have to keep an eye on this. If you already have the article on your watch, then consider this message to be not sent. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 17:29, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

I do have Sukhumi on my watchlist and have edited it before, but it's not an article I've keep a continuous eye on. It is unsurprising to me to find POV in articles related to the Caucasus, and Sukhumi isn't an exception, although it's a more interesting one as I've seen users and IPs that seem to espouse various POVs editing there, instead of just one slant. Thanks for the heads up, I'll keep a keener eye out. CMD (talk) 23:02, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Disruptive CN tags on East Timor

Hello User:Chipmunkdavis. You removed my tags on the East Timor article as being disruptive. I do think there is a citation needed because the source now given is a working document of a UN commission and not a document by the Timorese authorities. The document now cited doesn't establish facts on names of countries in official use by these countries persé, specially not when there are conflicting translations in use in other places. Like the constitution of the country in it's English translation. I will not challenge your revert however but I'd be happy to restore, for the time, the source I initially removed as failing, when I got involved in the situation yesterday evening. Thus restoring the source that was there, while not taking away anything that was added since. This for more clarity in the discussion that is bound to follow. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 19:58, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

I have now restored the earlier source I had removed as having failed. Just so it can be seen as this is being discussed. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 20:05, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

At the very least the UNGEGN source establishes official names used within the UN system. A cn tag next to a citation will be confusing for any user not already familiar with the talkpage dispute, and it is unnecessary to place one prominently in the infobox as well as in the text. If you do not like the UNGEGN source, perhaps you could pick a source you do like from publications of the East Timorese government? CMD (talk) 00:10, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

I won't remove the UNGEGN source. Gerard von Hebel (talk) 04:47, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Elections in Jordan

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DYK for Jordanian general election, 2016

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Starting work at Singapore

This has been long overdue so I am starting work on the Singapore lead. I have set up a talk page section for discussion. Talk:Singapore#POV_and_WP:UNDUE_in_lead. I would appreciate if you could help out. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 05:29, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

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Singapore

Chipmunkdavis, I have just seen your bold edits, which is fine. Generally, I would agree with half of your removal but will revert/copy-edit others later or next two days, especially those which are sourced. Hope to avoid an edit-war and discuss on the Talk page. I would prefer that you state your stance since too much has gone on in the last few weeks. Is it fine with you? Wrigleygum (talk) 14:14, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

My stance? My edits were made discretely, each with a very short edit summary which hopefully gave an outline of my stance on them. What from them is unclear? CMD (talk) 14:58, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Your summary is quite clear indeed but may be disputed, then we settle it cordially in Talk or RFC, as per WP guidelines to avoid edit-warring accusations. Wrigleygum (talk) 15:10, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Dispute resolution applies as always, of course. That said, after the RfC on lead statistics concluded they were overdone, you started a new section saying they should be kept because they were in the body. What form of resolutions can you envisage there? Is there a need to resolve your edits which made the original changes to the lead? CMD (talk) 15:53, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

I do have to retire earlier tonight but will have a look at what you're saying, reply tmr. Wrigleygum (talk) 16:00, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

I see what you are asking. Firstly, I would have objected to the manner RFC closed, right after I posted an update of and immediately after Warpslider changed his 'Comment' to 'Oppose'. Given a few more days, the outcome may have been different. That aside, the RFC closing summary reads "There is broad though not unanimous consensus that the lead needs to be trimmed, and that the statistics are overdone". What to trim? It will be by Consensus correct? Does trimming refer to just the stats or everything? One editor does not determine that. She bold-removed paragraph-5 with the edit summary "Unsourced boosterism", and my reply in Talk is "..all the statements are sourced in body content - widely acknowledged, not boosterism." -Wrigleygum (talk) 16:18, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

In that case you should raise it with the RfC closer. RfCs are not votes, and are determined by the arguments taking into account wikipedia policy. Stonewalling changes is not appropriate conduct, consensus at its best includes all editors ban it does not have to. The very least that requires is participation, and that talkpage conversation ended when you stopped replying, which is unhelpful. CMD (talk) 01:34, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

CMD, I think you are referring to my non-response to your reply to "Specific Issues"? On that occassion I saw Lemongirl had extended the RFC from 30d to 60days, so I decided to wait for further response from uninvolved editors. All comments at that point in time came from editors with some edit history in Singapore like yourself and would have some bias. My time is really limited and thought it best to consolidate answers to a single section - that way, others can digest all the main issues before commenting. A substantial reply like you did, then no engagement I admit is frustrating. Although not for the same reasons, see my own efforts at Lee Hsien Loong and early LKY - both times I lost interest (but not forever) as WP does not pay my bills. I did find your reply to the first "Specific issues" draft helpful and addressed most of it in the 2nd update. I think you do still have some bias, which are hard to change so hopefully the pillars can help sought it out soon. I agree RFC is a lot of work and not the best way. Wrigleygum (talk) 10:24, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

If editing an article creates bias, then there's no hope for any of us. At any rate, I was not referring to that, I was referring to the new section you started after the RfC had ended in response to LemonGirl's implementation, which you titled "Sources". I would ask you to think carefully about bias and where it lies, given your previous statement about deliberately ignoring negative statements in favour of positive ones for the lead. CMD (talk) 10:38, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

• Note: See this ANI thread. I am sick and tired of this, so I am seeking to restrict Wrigleygum and the other SPAs from editing that page. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 15:36, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Attempt to privatize article about Georgia

Your decisions are worthless unless you won't provide proper arguments for every revert of other users edits! This article is not your property to do not let other users make changes in text. If you have something to say, write every argument in the talk page and then act if it will be consensus on that. "imbalanced pointy edits" is not an argument!--g. balaxaZe★ 11:44, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Of the last 50 edits to the article, you made 36 of them, so clearly my attempts to privatise the article aren't going well. Have you not learnt that ramming through your changes without discussion then complaining others won't discuss is poor editing procedure? Especially combined with the lack of participation you sometimes put into discussions others start. We've discussed this before. CMD (talk) 12:47, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Your answer once more shows how weak is your "argument", count not lines of edits but changes in bytes(!) while step by step I try to improve the article also finding and uploading photos for it, you simply only revert other users contribution just because you want like that (If you say imbalanced then I say it is balanced, and what?). I suggest you read WP:OWN more carefully. I am demanding your argument for every sentence to explain for each of them what you see there "imbalanced". Enough your wilful reverts of others contribution. If you don't provide I'll involve in this discussion wider audience.--g. balaxaZe★ 16:54, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

The note on edit numbers was referring to your privatisation argument. I understand WP:OWN. Have you considered it in relation to WP:POT? While I'm not making the changes, I will provide the short summary of my wilful revert. In regard to the lead edits, the lead is meant to be a summary of the article and concise but informative introduction to Georgia, not a place to navel-gaze particular interpretations of geography. This has been discussed numerous times in the archives, I am not striking a particularly original position on this. As for the history, it should be concise, and also should try to present helpful information rather than spin narratives by doing things such as anachronistically using "Eastern Georgia" as a pipe for Kartli-Kakheti. Additionally, the clear parameter gymnastics added into the last paragraph are a particularly obvious form of puffery, and demean rather than impress. As a final point on conduct, you really need to stop using wider discussions as threats. Firstly, you never seem to actually follow up on these threats, and secondly, it's not a threat, it's what's meant to happen. Your repeated insistence on such threats is baffling. CMD (talk) 02:39, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

You answer your own wrong interpretations yes it is not a threat "it's what's meant to happen". When you revert such big edit with 3 words it is not enough and needs more explanations something similar what I read above, but still, not enough because you reverted other things as well that are not mentioned above. So what do you think to restore those ones that you didn't mention and explaine?--g. balaxaZe★ 08:33, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Also I'll repeat edit numbers are not relevant you should count qualitative change, not quantity, I remember how you reverted huge portions of the article to very poor material just because it was Damian's contribution (it was not obligatory but you still did). Unlike you, I am not reverting other users good sourced edits, by this, you violate WP:AGF you think that others do not want to improve the article. You act similar to WP:Wikilawyering to halt further development of the article and that's why many users that edit other articles about Georgia avoid editing this one.--g. balaxaZe★ 08:58, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Well if it's not a threat I recommend rewording the way you say it in future, but that's good to know. I want to point you again to WP:BRD and WP:BURDEN, if you want to put through changes you need to explain them, as you ask me to do but for some reason have been reluctant to do so yourself. It is disappointing to see that you still fail to understand en.Wiki's policies regarding sockpuppets, but I do not want to repeat the same points all over again. You remain welcome to contact others regarding this. Your statements regarding AGF and Wikilawyering lead me to believe you do not fully understand these guidelines as well. I recommend again asking others about those, as my explanations do not seem to help. CMD (talk) 10:35, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Bot archiving

Hey Chipmunkdavis. Do you mind if I set up a bot archive at Talk:Singapore from 2016 onwards? It is easier than the year based archives. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:01, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

No, I don't mind. I would recommend initially leaving a very long period of inactivity before archiving if you do it soon, given the current situation where lots of sections are based of previous sections. I only archived up to the RfC for that reason. CMD (talk) 04:13, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

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Eurasia?

Eurasia IS NOT a continent under the 5 continent model!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Capleri (talk • contribs) 05:58, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Eurasia?

Eurasia IS NOT a continent under the 5 continent model! The 5 continent model is just like the Olympic rings describe: Africa, Asia, America, Europe and Oceania, refrain from re-editing this as it it patently wrong! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Capleri (talk • contribs) 13:01, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

List of sovereign states and dependent territories by continent‎

The earlier version appears to be more comprehensive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.44.198.53 (talk) 21:46, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

It was comprehensively wrong, with entries not belonging on that page. CMD (talk) 02:20, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Same issue

Hey Chip, some time no see :-) hope you're doing well man. I just wanted to say a few things...
Its interesting to note, that in the Satt2/Damianmx "appreciation" spree of Giorgi Balakhadze, which we could briefly see a few days ago on the Georgia (country) page, he's now also opting to move the page "Transcaucasia" to "South Caucasus" (see here). Its no surprise to take into account that the very same move was in fact made by Damianmx/Satt2 on 29 May 2016. Interestingly, furthermore, the article in question was never touched by Giorgi Balakhadze in the span of all these years prior to the move.

Now to make the story complete; just a few hours after Giorgi Balakhadze opened the request, an IP that geolocates to the exact same city, country, and state as earlier CU blocked IP's of Satt2/Damianmx, hopped in to support Giorgi Balakhadze's concerns, having the same proficiency in English as the sockmaster in question. In fact, he signed the comment the very same way as well ("--"). Call it weird coincidence, but its a bit fishy if you ask me. Elockid, the admin who knows the most about the sockmaster/IPs, hasn't been active for some months, so I thought of just giving you a heads up at least. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 19:44, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

OH, Before I forget; unfortunately, he still hasnt even slightly lowered his clear agenda-loaded sabre throughout all these months, regarding the issue of Abkhazia/S. Ossetia, despite complaints regarding his editorial conduct numbering well within the double digits. Some of the most recent diffs which continue to strike me as really worrisome about these topics in particular.. He clearly still wants to "war-in" his personal opinion/grief about this political matter way too much, in my opinion. Clearly, the crucial aspect of the territories simply not being under Georgian rule/administration for many years (which has nothing to do with the entire world (figurly) recognizing it as part of Georgia on paper), is something that he will never accept and which is, in my opinion, also the core of this problem on this place. Sorry for it being a tad too WP:TL;DR-ish this time. Looking forward to your response. Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 19:44, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello, nice of you to pop in. I didn't notice there has been an appreciation spree. (Yet I'm very appreciative that you somehow have the patience and energy to keep track of these things.) If there is a spree, this is disappointing considering our sock guidelines, but I suppose its utility otherwise would depend on the individual edits in question.

As it happens I have seen the Transcaucasia move request, as the article is on my Watchlist. It seems clear that the title change is motivated by some sort of nationalistic dislike of the term, and some of the arguments on both sides have reflected this in their poor quality. However, strictly on the merits of the move itself I remain undecided. Ajax's initial oppose notes a book n-gram that demonstrates a clear historical preponderance for Transcaucasia. This n-gram shows that even recently it remained more common, yet it shows a clear and obvious decreasing trend corresponding with an increase for South Caucasus. Dealing with changing terminology is always tricky, as there will inevitably be times where different standards for primary names recommend different results, and it is hard to objectively say when you've got over that hump. Regarding this I tend to be cautious, preferring to retain the status quo when uncertain as an encyclopaedia should be descriptive, not prescriptive. That said, on a personal level, I prefer South Caucasus because it has less implicit geographical bias and provides a nice pairing with the term North Caucasus. Of course, neither of these lines of reasoning has any validity in Misplaced Pages titling policy, so they're not that relevant! Hence my remaining indecision on this issue.

Regarding the sockpuppeting, the IPs signing in that way is not by itself unusual. Having two hyphens is the default format if you click on the sign button on the top of the edit boxes. IP geolocation and style however, they are more conclusive benchmarks. Given the individuals inability to leave, it is not a stretch to accept the IPs new socks. If a particular IP or a very small range becomes disruptive, that can be CUed. Dynamically changing IPs are harder to pin down. That said, in the meantime, the quality of their arguments hopefully limits their credence in these discussions. (On an aside, if Elockid has left the project, that is a loss for Misplaced Pages as a whole.)

Regarding the cross-wiki agenda, the pushing of a particular POV has been obvious for years. The core problem isn't the specific belief you identify per se (there are other tricky beliefs by the way, that is just an easy one to express), but the conduct which surrounds it. Dealing with that problem is much harder. (If one encounters a tendentious editor, does one follow them from page to page, wiki to wiki? If so, how should (and how do) others distinguish between their actions and yours? Despite my return to more regular editing, I remain somewhat disillusioned with Misplaced Pages's processes in these regards.) On specific problems relating to nationalism issues in Georgia, however, there may be a couple more tools. I don't know if the issue has been tested, but such editing may fall under discretionary sanctions relating to WP:ARBAA2 or WP:ARBEE (and sharing in principle many of the issues around WP:ARBMAC).

Finally, no need to apologise, you're welcome to come to this talkpage to discuss things (as well, is anyone really, I've never considered my talkpage a controlled space), even if it's long (at any rate you seem to write reasonably concisely even when you write at great length). This is especially true for these topics of which I may be of assistance due to my long (sigh) involvement with the issues and the area, and which may require some length due to their complexity. Nothing would make me happier than having all these issues sorted out so that editor time would be spent more productively! So if I can help, I will try to. Best, CMD (talk) 06:12, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Heh, I think I can pretty much safely conclude that we agree on every single thing/matter. ;-) Thanks much for the elaborate response btw, appreciate it. Just a few things in response; I find myself indecisive regarding the move as well, indeed based on the very same reasons you mentioned. "Tricky" would perhaps be a good word to describe it. Regarding Arb, I think that the issue is covered under ARBAA2/ARBEE/ARBMAC, but as I'm not sure myself as well, I will consult an admin whose active in these topics to be sure. I might be wrong, but I believe that we've (not just me and you; other users as well) have tried, throughout the span of years/months, to adress the concerns appropriately, cooperatively, and politely, but none of them were to any avail. In any case, really unfortunate, in my opinion. Its nevertheless important for ARB I noticed to bear in mind, as they demand from the parties in question that they have thoroughly discussed the matter with the accused user in question. The edit-warring/protecting of long-term sock abusers has to be dealt with on ANI (sigh) as its unfortunately not a merit covered by Arbcom.
Consider yourself always welcome as well to visit my talk page, about whatever it might be. Pleasure talking with you again man, all the best. - LouisAragon (talk) 02:28, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

...I just had to say something about this line -- "Nothing would make me happier than having all these issues sorted out so that editor time would be spent more productively!". Really, truer words were not spoken! - LouisAragon (talk) 02:28, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

LouisAragon maybe before your shameless intrigues you first talk to me a? I am renaming it now because before I didn't search for it and when I searched I saw Transcaucasia which was very strange for me because in modern life I never seen that in magazines and etc. Then I decided to check which one is popular and what I found is clear there. So be more careful before you will make decisions. Now about Georgian article if someone wants I can provide that discussion where it was said it is ok to re-add those materials if user thinks that it was worthwhile. I've already done it with military section there in cooperation with CMD so please have more dignity and stop childish intrigues since I hate people who blame on me something that I am not, personally -_- --g. balaxaZe★ 13:31, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

LouisAragon If you are talking about my views and behave like WP:WIKIHOUND I remember our talk where you wrote your political views which are against of mine and since that you try to block me. you are not objective and try to block other users who have different view.--g. balaxaZe★ 13:43, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Unlike users like you I am a member of Georgian Wikimedia user group and I know rules, I am writing with my name and do fair edits not hiding anything. I do not need fake IPs to rename something because rename should be done according to wikipedia rules. --g. balaxaZe★ 13:48, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

"Abhkazia and South Ossetia being a part of Georgia which they are currently not" your words about conflict regions which shows that you act according to your POV--g. balaxaZe★ 14:03, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Also, I want to answer about diffs that he tries to show me from the negative side and he lies because here I removed it because it had another category Orthodox cathedrals in Abkhazia and this category is under the category Cathedrals in Abkhazia (I corrected it -_-). Here it was changed because there is no Abkhazian Cathedrals and in article clearly said Georgia Orthodox cathedral, what is wrong here ? some will want to know how is it looks in Georgian and I know many articles like this. This note template was made specially for such cases what problems here? Be sure Aragon if you continue behaving like this (POV based intrigues) and "throwing" to me dirty I will ask admins to review this case, to make special efforts and to call down your appetite in attempts to block me.--g. balaxaZe★ 14:31, 9 December 2016 (UTC)