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Gringo300 (talk) 11:22, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

@Gringo300: I've moved all of these (plus more related articles), except for British Canadian. Once all of the articles on that DAB page are moved, I'm going to have to restructure it and find out whether someone still intends to develop an article specifically on "British Canadians". It was proposed years ago, and the page seems to have been abandoned, so I think I'll just remove the proposal tag and continue to treat it as a DAB page. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:23, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Response

Hello, I emptied the talk page because there was only one question from 4 months ago that had no responses. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nonsenseop (talk • contribs) 20:15, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

@Nonsenseop: Yes, I understood why you removed it, but I've collapsed it now, plus am about to leave another comment about not misusing talk pages. The archiving system relies on there being one thread left on the talk page, meaning that it will soon be archived and the remaining thread will act as a reminder to anyone tempted to leave stupid comments that it is not what talk pages are for. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:22, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

Removal of entries.

Wow, ok, I can concur with 'kotleta' not being special, however, if you visit many other lists of 's dishes, simplistic dishes are found all throughout. People that come to view the article are interested in seeing what the title describes, whether this be simple staples or 'complex' occasion dishes. I think it's granted that if someone sees the Russian version of the cutlet in the article, they have enough common sense to know that not all cutlets were invented in Russia. I'm implying, no one country invented the cutlet (it's rolled meat for god's sake). On a shorter note, I gave a fair amount of time for looking for a source but obviously had difficulty if this was my best. I understood magazines are ok as sources, according to this. I believe you know I wasn't trying to disrupt the article, if so why would i have put the effort to write actual entries?

As for 'nyanya' you seem to have removed it without explanation, that was indeed a dish. It's not 'a copied haggis' if that's your belief. The dish originates with the vikings, which have been part of both Scotland's as well as Russia's history. Anubis300 (talk) 07:53, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Where did your haggis parallel come from?... and where did you get the Viking weirdness from? Evidently, you haven't even bothered to pay attention to where I hark from, so don't try to explain what cutlets and ground meat patties are. Fifty thousand modern convolutions on a recipe does not make for a noteworthy dish but WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS: it's just klops rolled into smaller balls and fried. As regards the 'nyanya', read WP:ES, plus WP:CIVIL... and try approaching other editors like an adult instead of being childish. Verifiability does not guarantee inclusion. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:21, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Both dishes are sheep's stomachs stuffed with offal and either oatmeal or buckwheat, depending, so I don't see what further parallel you're asking me to make for this specific dish. I can't currently retrace where I read the 'viking' theory from, but I hadn't included it on the article, nor did I plan to. I am aware of WP:CIVIL thank you, it is just not my duty to sound throughly academic outside of articles, 'wow, ok' and 'god's sake' don't have to necessarily be read as emotional, and aren't confrontational, that was not the intention. My surprise was not from 'Not notable' when it meant 'lacking reliable sources', because I could see the sense in that, but from 'Not notable' when it meant 'too simple', lists of other cuisines include dishes as simple as: minced pork with a fried egg, simple pureed peas, boiled fish 'klops', fried sliced potato(German), so there would be no sense in excluding this one when it can include parsley, rice, or/and mushrooms in versions that aren't modern convolutions. I simply hope an agreement to keep it can be reached whenever it is that I manage to collect a proper ressource for it. --Anubis300 (talk) 11:50, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Removal

Can you explain, what was the need of removing the change on "anti-Russian sentiment"? I write something that has already has a section in the article, and giving off a fact, as well as the source (https://www.good.is/articles/russophobia) not being reliable? What is not reliable? It has been written by someone who has written articles for other popular news outlets, whilst being balanced, saying that although the "russophobia", we should still be able to be critical of Putin and so on, while other sources in the article are still being used although they are very one-sided. I would prefer an explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.194.240 (talk) 20:18, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

WP:RS is self explanatory. Misplaced Pages represents mainstream views, whereas your arguments are for WP:GEVAL by citing anything you can find online. Editors are obliged to remain neutral, not to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:40, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

How so? This is essentially fact, there is even a section in this article based on Western media views, how can the same view I write about be dismissed as "anything I can find" when you have a whole section in this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.194.240 (talk) 00:37, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Oh, for goodness sake, your edit doesn't even read as being encyclopaedic. The section on Western media portrayal is amply explicit, just as is the section on Russian nationalism. There's no room in the article for amateur opining. How is such a simplistic statement 'fact'? Actually, don't respond on my talk page: if you want to discuss your proposed 'content' with other editors (and myself), take it to the talk page of the article... And you're trying to promote this guy as a respected journalist? Sorry, but he's doing a great job of trying to promote himself by being published in as many easy access places on the internet as he can find. No banana on the reliability: it's an opinion piece by Joe Blogger. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 02:21, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Two additional WP:REQUESTED MOVES

Since you participated in Talk:Red Square#Requested move 1 December 2016, two other discussions bearing a general similarity — naming disagreements in Ukraine and Kazakhstan (Talk:Hretska Ploshcha#Requested move 19 November 2016 and Talk:Kazakhstan National Museum of Instruments#Requested move 13 November 2016), may be of interest. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 07:18, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

@Roman Spinner: Not a problem. They're both no-brainers as far as I'm concerned. I'm going to have to disagree with you on the Greek Square business, I'm afraid... but cheers for the notification! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:23, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Battle of Ilovaisk result

Could you please look at the discussion here Talk:Battle of Ilovaisk and tell us what you think and can suggest. Thanks! EkoGraf (talk) 06:09, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

@EkoGraf: I think I've encountered this user before, and I'm concerned about the speed and confidence with which s/he is turning military articles on their heads. I'm afraid my health is a little off at the moment, but I'll inspect each of their edits on the article carefully, and go through their arguments on the talk page. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:54, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! Get well soon! :) EkoGraf (talk) 00:18, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

Revert

The topic was in discussion and there has been no response since the 29th of November. It is not an edit war, it is outside the normal hours to constitute one. Brough87 (talk) 20:59, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

@Brough87: Read the policy again, and stop resorting to trying to WP:GAME the system. 3RR is the bright line, but "The three-revert rule is a convenient limit for occasions when an edit war is happening fairly quickly, but it is not a definition of "edit warring", and it is perfectly possible to edit war without breaking the three-revert rule, or even coming close to doing so.", plus "Even without a 3RR violation, an administrator may still act if they believe a user's behavior constitutes edit warring, and any user may report edit warring with or without 3RR being breached. The rule is not an entitlement to revert a page a specific number of times." Please take my word on the matter as a senior editor. I've responded on the talk page of the article in question, and suggest that we keep the discussion there as a matter of transparency. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:19, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

why do you call it "rutheanian"?

in the article it is said that it was called "russian voivodehip" by everyone (poles, ukrainians, europeans). no one at that time didn't call it "rutheanian". So on what ground does wiki calls it "rethuanian voivodeship"?212.90.182.118 (talk) 07:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

Do you actually understand the difference between ruskie and the double 's' meaning of russkie, or even rosiyske, rosja, rosiya, etc.? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:03, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

--- so english wiki uses "rutheania" to distinguish between the "rus" and "russia"? hmmm... it's a bit problematic. I don't think that "Rutheania" was widely used for referring to "Rus", so I'm not sure it's the right thing that wiki is doing here. Aren't the article supposed to provide a superior number of scholar sources using the term "rutheania", in order for wikipedia to use it? So who exactly have ever referred to "ruske voivodeship" as "rethuanian"? Seems to me that no one. I mean this is your own wiki rules. I don't think you have enough to support the claim Rutheania = Rus'. 212.90.182.118 (talk) 01:39, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Regards to ethnicity articles

I've noticed not just on Arab Australians, but all articles on ethnicities tend to have info with no source, which nobody explains until I try to revert the edits. why does nobody explain that the info has no source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:183:C600:B855:7C17:F82:EB16:8F9C (talk) 22:53, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

The Arab Australians one isn't too bad as it does provide sources. Once this year's census is published, we should be able to update information I have to agree with you, however, that there have been quite a few new articles on diasporic Arab groups being created without any sources. I'm unwell at the moment, but I'm going to collate the new articles and propose them for WP:AFD if the editor creating them doesn't come up with any reasonable sourcing. Please feel free to leave a list of the articles you've found lacking in sourcing here on this thread on my talk page.

I don't actually want them deleted as it's obvious that the mass exodus of people from the Middle East recently means that there have been intakes of refugees around the world, but it's still in a state of flux and the actual figures aren't out there (meaning that Misplaced Pages can't 'guesstimate' anything without reliable secondary sources). I might take it to the ethnic group project - or elsewhere - to discuss how best to handle these articles with other specialised editors until more is known in order to improve the articles. Please don't get disheartened: it's just the way Misplaced Pages works. It would be great if you decided to get an account, but your welcome to keep contributing as an IP. The more hands on deck, the better. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:14, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Resilient Barnstar
	Iryna, there are not enough editors like you. You are reliable, meticulous, and above all, resilient. The work you do on articles about ethnicity is simply fantastic. You help them move forward while also protecting them from harm. Thank you! Caballero/Historiador 05:38, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Caballero1967! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 08:57, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Alans

Hello, Iryna -- In case you don't already have Alans on your watch list, I thought I'd ask you about this edit to the article, in which an editor added an image and a caption. I don't know whether the image is an appropriate addition, but the caption appears to be an attempt at a translation by a non-native speaker of English. If you think the image is worth keeping, perhaps you could improve the caption. You'll notice a tag at the Alans#Archaeology section that's been there since June 2015. I'm surprised that section is so short. I'm thinking about nominating this article for Misplaced Pages:Today's articles for improvement. Do you think more material could be found for this article?  – Corinne (talk) 16:07, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Corinne. I've removed the image and description as WP:OR. The file was uploaded as a one-off by someone who may be attached Kiev University, and this is a second editor who's translated the text and added it to the article (as well as the Mangup article). The who and when component is absent (although I'd say that it's related to a genuine archaeological expedition), as is any article on the findings. I could do a more fluent translation into English (appalling grammar!), but to what end when there's no context for it?

I have a vague recollection of the Alans practising ritual head binding, and I also don't doubt that the expedition was centred around Mangup Kale in Crimea. No doubt WP:ITSINTERESTING, but we've been given no indication as to what it is, or what it designates without RS.

I know that there has been a reasonable amount of investigation into ancient DNA of late, and investigation as to where the Alans fit into the 'out of Africa' equation in the populating of Europe from the Middle East. In my honest opinion, it's definitely a worthy contender for the daily articles for improvement. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:37, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your informative reply. I will go ahead and nominate it at WP:TAFI.  – Corinne (talk) 22:41, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

LokiiT has been reported to ANI

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Silvio1973 (talk) 14:53, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

What are your thoughts?

Hello Iryna Harpy,

Could you take a look at these two articles:

• Article 1
• Article 2

Since you have knowledge of both Cyrillic and English, could you give your feedback and point out any mistakes or any words which you think could be written in a better way?

Thanks. --DaveZ123 (talk) 03:05, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Note to self for archiving purposes: responded on DaveZ123's talk page. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you, Davey2010. Wishing you and yours an equally wonderful festive season! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:24, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

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Imminent GLOBAL threat

I've recently been reading that apparently there's some old guy on the loose who grooms kids by promising them toys and sweets, and then sneaks into their bedrooms in the middle of the night. He appears he have been getting away with it for years under innumerable aliases and it's even international in scope. It seems as though Interpol are also looking for him for unlicensed moving of animals across national (and even terrestial) boundaries.

Now I know this is getting confusing, but the old guy's activities tie in somehow with a pregnant teenage Middle-Eastern migrant who refuses to disclose how she begat her child, but who insists that her much older fiancé, who she is travelling with, isn't responsible. Apparently this unlikely pair are not only the 'cover' for the old guy, but they are also said to motivate lots of people all over the world to indulge in spontaneous acts of kindness towards their fellow humans! Sounds pretty unlikely to me! By best guess is that these people are behind it all somehow, only rational explanation!

ps … This site claims to be tracking the old guys whereabouts, is it WP:RS do you think?

HAPPY HUMBUG

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@Ebeneezer: Damn! Not only have I heard about him, when I was a kid I'm sure he groped me promising that he'd left something 'extra' in my stockings. Ewww... and he didn't reek of garlic as much as my family members, or friends of the family, so there's something decidedly halal about this. Personally – and I believe I represent many Wikipedians regarding this – I believe we should get an article about him out ASAP. It is our solemn duty to shoot our mouths off first in order to right great wrongs. The readers have a right to know! Thank you for reviving my interest in hysteria. --Ms. Lynch Mob (talk) 04:17, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

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Thank's for the Yo Ho Ho, hehehe, hope you have a Merry Christmas! :) PS In the end, over the at Ilovaisk battle, since that editor wasn't going to budge on the issue and at one point he wanted to remove the result of the battle all-together, I had to compromise and edit the result as a DPR/Russian victory. Also, I just made a new article for the War in Donbass here Battle of Svitlodarsk. Cheers! EkoGraf (talk) 15:31, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

@EkoGraf: I apologise for not having the time or energy to follow up on the battle over the Ilovaisk battle article! The compromise may have been annoying, but it's acceptable. I've just added the Svitlodarsk article to my watchlist. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:49, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

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Polite grumble

Hi there, (and Merry Christmas!) I'm just here to briefly grumble about these reverted edits. After looking back carefully I can see I misread the original revision (I interpreted 'both' to be both the rebels & Russia/Assad, rather than just 'both Russia & Syria' - and because it was so poorly written I was trying to rewrite it) and I think you misread my edit summary ('now all implicit' - it was intended to mean 'now all sides are implicit' rather than 'it's now all implicit'). However, aside from those misunderstandings, I was mildly miffed by a few things. Firstly you suggested I was simply adding a 'pretentious' synonym for the sake of it. Actually my rewording meant 'the use of' was repeated almost one clause after another in the same sentence, so I quickly used thesaurus.com to avoid repetition (I was just trying to make a nice sentence). You also threw WP:NOR at me for a rewording, even though no new info was added. Plus you ended up re-adding the 'targeting of civilians' phrase which wrongfully suggested rebel forces had purposefully fired their guns and civilians (the source doesn't support that claim, it was added to the sentence later by an editor).

WP:TLDR: OK, all those things are a bit tedious, but it's so easy to jump to conclusions (especially with treacherous articles like those on the Syrian Civil War). And quoting WP:PG can end up being taken as a WP:BITE when reverting users, especially newbies. I'm sure you reverted my edits in a couple of seconds before shooting off to do great work elsewhere on other articles, but please always WP:AGF!

Have a Happy New Year too!

Cheers, Jr8825 • Talk 23:46, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Jr8825. Actually, the NOR was in reference to "highly inaccurate" which is unsourced and (in this instance) redundant. My apologies if the ES came off as being harsh. As for the repetition of 'used', 'said', 'according to', etc., it's a standard with articles of this type. Could I make a suggestion - and this is not intended to be condescending - about jumping into the deep end when still a newbie? Don't. I see from your editing history that you're interested in contemporary political events. You're getting caught up in articles with the usual experienced editors warring over them. Please make an attempt to edit a few articles that need cleaning up. You really ought to get some generalised experience in before trying your hand at articles where you're liable to get seriously burnt. I jest not. If you're having a grumble at me for explaining why I reverted you as succinctly as possible (and invoking policy is best practice for ES), you're going to be a prime candidate for being WP:GOADed.

Whatever course of action you take, I wish you a Merry Christmas in return... and happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:25, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Oleg Sentsov and Oleh Sentsov

Since you participated in the exchange of opinions at Talk:Hretska Ploshcha#Requested move 19 November 2016, another discussion bearing a very general similarity regarding a naming disagreement — the recently-closed discussion at Talk:Oleh Sentsov#Requested move 21 October 2016, as well as its current re-opening at Talk:Oleg Sentsov#Contested deletion — may be of interest. —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 01:58, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Rfc at Battle of Aleppo

Hi Iryna Harpy,

There's a misunderstanding here. I wasn't the one who initially closed the RfC. It was Winged Blades of Godric (talk · contribs) who closed it and he is clearly an uninvolved editor. He was reverted by VM who said (and here) that only admins can close, which is clearly not the case per WP:RFCEND (see: "It can be formally closed by any uninvolved editor."). So no, I'm not closing it myself. I am restoring an uninvolved editors closure because of a misrepresentation of RfC closing procedures. 92slim (talk) 05:04, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Cheers, 92slim I was actually aware of that. The editor in question had left a comment on VM's talk page (here) to the effect of not being too fussed if VM chose to revert his close again. As it stands, I have no particular opinion as to whether the content is due or not, but I don't believe it to be early enough in the piece to close it. You may have noticed my dummy edit to further qualify that we're not counting !votes, but policy and guidelines. I honestly think that it needs to run for a while longer in order that those currently taking breaks have a chance to think on the content and chime in with their own arguments. Patience isn't always a virtue, but it is sometimes necessary to give outside editors a chance to voice their opinions. Happy holidays... even when life feels a bit grim! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:19, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

That's strange. The basis of you reverting me was that I was an involved editor. Which turned to be false. Then you say that it's Christmas, so it should remain open. Can you point to a Misplaced Pages guideline that specifically says RfCs should remain open during holiday season? Besides, I've seen RfCs closed with much less comments and discussion. And no, no one is "voting" and people are making legitimate policy discussions. Better yet, we have 12 users voting a certain way and 2 that aren't. In fact, this should be closed per WP:SNOW. 92slim (talk) 05:48, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

@92slim: I reverted you because you chose to restore the premature close... and, indeed, you are involved. As for SNOW, I don't believe you to be in a position to be the best judge of that because you are not a neutral party. There's SNOW, and there are legitimate arguments for something being WP:RS whether you deem it to be worthy of inclusion or not. Please don't try to change my mind on that score because I'm not going to... particularly as I know Misplaced Pages's personalities inside-out, and I'm seeing the same bunch of editors who argue the same points in the same manner article in, article out. I'm absolutely and utterly convinced that this RfC needs more time. Also, I'd like to know why you pinged Winged Blades of Godric into this discussion on my talk page. Should I ping Volunteer Marek into the discussion as you're turning this into an open forum when discussions should be on the article's talk page. Is there anyone else you'd like to inform of this cosy chat? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:03, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Okay well, I never said I was not involved, but that the closing editor wasn't, and you are wrong anyway about closing the discussion because you have no authority to deem or not deem anything into the discussion when there is a clear majority consensus and no, I didn't ping anyone, that was you, so do one. 92slim (talk) 15:09, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

@Volunteer Marek: @92slim:--I'm anyway not keen to close the discussion. It's perfectly fine if someone choses to continue with the discussion.(Esp. when the holidays are there!). I initially reclosed the decision because I thought Marek's rationale was wrong. And anyway WP:SNOW is always best avoided on such discussions. We apply such closure when the content under discussion is purely too whimsical to ever gain consensus.Light 09:20, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Winged Blades of Godric for confirming my understanding of your close. Your input is much appreciated. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 09:27, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

In fact, why did you harpy ping him and accuse me of pinging? I smell dirt. From now on your input is pretty much a sack of shite. 92slim (talk) 15:09, 27 December 2016 (UTC)