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New message on User talk:109.155.83.184

I've replied to your message on my talk page with additional information. Kent Westlund (talk) 05:24, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Premature closure of a deletion discussion

Hello Rob. I see you deleted File:Adi-bitar-9.jpg as per the discussion. I think it will be extremely difficult to verify the identity of a deceased individual or their deceased relative. It may seem implausible to you the subjects son would be allowed in an important meeting, but this is common in the Arab culture. I think that a discussion of all the uploaders photos must be taken. I have opened a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Files for discussion/Mohammed Bitar. Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 13:52, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

@Emir of Misplaced Pages: Based on our current policies requiring OTRS verification in cases like these, the arguments of one side were quite strong relative to the other side, which led to my finding of consensus. My aside was just that - an aside - and didn't factor into my close. As for the close being premature, the discussion had gone on three months, so it was quite overdue. As for the FfD, FfDs aren't opened on individual pages like that. You'll need to create a discussion as described at WP:FFD if you'd like to discuss the remaining images. The already deleted image usually isn't re-discussed at that venue, but see WP:CLOSECHALLENGE. ~ Rob₁₃ 14:00, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

What cases are exempt from OTRS verification? I think this is a special case not only as the uploader is deceased, but also because of the confusion as to whether the image in question is in the public domain. I understand that FfD's aren't usually opened on a page like that, but I think this is a special circumstance as it could be possible that the majority if not all of the uploaders photos across their multiple accounts should be deleted. I understand that the deleted image isn't usually a part of the FfD, but if it turns out that the delete image was deleted incorrectly then it may be possible that the other images uploaded by the uploader are allowed to stay. Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 16:24, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Any image where the claim of authorship involves being a specific noteworthy individual requires OTRS verification, as do cases where the uploader is not the copyright holder. We have no method of listing an unusual FfD sub page for discussion, and if we tried, it would likely break the bot that clerks FfD. Technically, it's impossible to handle the nom like this instead of as a usual multi-nom, as far as I know. ~ Rob₁₃ 17:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

The images author is not a noteworthy individual nor from what I gather did they claim to be, however they were related to such an individual who was deceased. OTRS verification is impossible or at least very difficult as the uploader is deceased. In the specific case of the image that you deleted I believe that either the uploader was the copyright holder, or that the image is in the public domain as the uploader stated that the UAE copyright laws were not retrospective. He was likely to know this not only as his career was a producer in the UAE, but his father wrote the constitution. I am thankful for you teaching me how the FfD pages work, and pending the outcome of our discussion I will probably put that specific one under a CSD request. About your aside that it is highly unlikely the uploader would have been at the event, I think you may be looking at it through your own cultural lens (I'm guessing Canadian or American from your userpage) but in the Emirati/Arab cultures espacially of the time it was common for grown men to be with their fathers throughout the work day. I would be grateful if you could tell me what evidence is likely to persuade you to restore the image, or perhaps use the uncropped variant that was mentioned by Explicit but not clarified to as the source of this fuller version. Furthermore I think the other issues about the uploader are due to an inadequate grasp of English, and not due to poor understanding of UAE copyright laws. Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 16:22, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Update Have you had time to consider this or should I discuss it with other editors? Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 15:01, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

@Emir of Misplaced Pages: A claim of being related to a famous person is usually something that is verified through OTRS. As for the UAE copyright, even if that wasn't retrospective, this would likely still be copyrighted in the United States based on its date of publication unless you can find evidence it was published before 1977 without a copyright notice. Sorry, but given all this, usual practices, and the fact that 4 editors supported deletion at the deletion discussion, I'm not seeing any basis to reverse my close. ~ Rob₁₃ 16:08, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

What is your view on the other historical uploaders by this user across their various accounts then? Are you going to delete them with the same rationale as this image, or will someone have to individually do a FfD for each of the images? Emir of Misplaced Pages (talk) 16:28, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

FfDs are typically handled individually to avoid discussions where suddenly a few stray PD claims are being thrown around. I don't personally plan to nominate them for deletion, but I acknowledge there's probably grounds to do so. Limited time, etc. ~ Rob₁₃ 16:31, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

The LeBaron vandal now impersonating editors

This IP, the one from this and this discussion, is now quacking as User:Reddirector2.0, most likely an attempt to pose as User:Red Director. Red Director is a highly prolific fixer of minor typos in sports bios, while the imposter is displaying all the disruptive editing habits of the IPs that he has used ( ), even making some near identical erroneous edits (compare this and this). Sorry if that's a lot to digest, but sullying the name of an editor who's done nothing but fine work was the last straw for me. Lizard (talk) 01:07, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing this occurrence out to this user, Lizard. I can assure anyone looking at this post that I do not any connection to this potential sockpuppet. Red Director (talk) 02:04, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, very clear. Blocked. ~ Rob₁₃ 03:35, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

He's back using this IP. Maybe we should start an SPI? It doesn't look like he intends on letting up, and I'd hate to keep spamming your talk page. Lizard (talk) 19:04, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

What's interesting to me is that sometimes in edit summaries and occasionally on user talk pages, he will swear up and down (usually with hostility) that his edits are correct. When they're some of the most easily verifiable things like Pro Bowls, Super Bowls, and teams played for, I find it really hard to assume good faith. Lizard (talk) 19:34, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Blocked for a month. ~ Rob₁₃ 16:10, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

UTRS appeals

Greetings, this is just a courtesy note to mention that three UTRS appeals, that you have reserved, have been in your queue for action or release for a about a week. Just Chilling (talk) 14:31, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

@Just Chilling: Apologies, those were returned to my queue while I was on vacation. I've now responded. ~ Rob₁₃ 16:52, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks for your prompt action. :-) Just Chilling (talk) 17:10, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of the page "User:TyEvSkyo/Particle Sphere Theory"

Hello, you have deleted an article in my user space that you believed to be a hoax article. It was not, however it did contain original research. This original research was going to be sourced in the future. It was a Work in Progress Article, and according to Misplaced Pages:User pages, "Besides communication, other legitimate uses of user space include (but are not limited to):... Work in progress or material that you may come back to in future". Thus, this WIP article was not against the rules of Misplaced Pages.

Also, the page does not qualify for any of the Criteria for speedy deletion, you stated it applied to the G3 criteria (Pure vandalism and blatant hoaxes), however, as stated above, the article was a WIP article, not a hoax. Finally, the U5 criteria may apply. However, it does not, since the criteria states "with the exception of plausible drafts and pages adhering to Misplaced Pages:User pages#What may I have in my user pages?"

TyEvSkyo (talk) 19:44, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

@TyEvSkyo: The things you wrote are not supported by any mainstream scientific source. As such, it constitutes a hoax to present them as fact. If you can provide any evidence for your claim (not based on original research or synthesis, but actual mainstream scientific sources making the same claims made in the article), then I will gladly consider undeletion. ~ Rob₁₃ 16:13, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

@BU Rob13: The some of the sources can be seen here TyEvSkyo (talk) 16:41, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Hello

Hi, Rob! Ad Orientem was kind enough to provide the stronger 30-500 protection here per a report at WP:RFPP from Callmemirela, but I'm thinking it should still be indefinite for obvious reasons. Thank you. Amaury (talk | contribs) 22:42, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/AlexGerrard77

It's been a little over a week. Have you had a chance to review this case? Failing that, would you object to my reopening it? Sir Sputnik (talk) 03:51, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sir Sputnik: Whoops, this fell off my radar when it got archived. I'll look tonight. Thanks for the reminder. ~ Rob₁₃ 16:14, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

Thanks for letting me know about the page mover feature. This will make my life a lot easier. I wasn't aware of it - it seems to have been introduced last year when I was overseas. Thank you! Hawkeye7 (talk) 03:59, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

@Hawkeye7: No problem! Sorry I didn't return to actually grant the user right; I was out of town for a couple days and missed the watchlist entry that you had responded. ~ Rob₁₃ 16:13, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

No worries. A WP:RFP/PM did the trick. Hawkeye7 (talk) 20:23, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Tell me, how can a user who's been blocked four times for personal attacks / harassment, twice for edit warring and once for abusing multiple accounts, all since 2014, not get an indefinite ban? CrashUnderride 11:45, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Soon, at least, I haven't sent it yet. Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 16:45, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Re-Notice that you are now subject to an arbitration enforcement sanction

Really, what!!?. i'm fixing Wiki Link - Palestinian people to Palestinians.--Marlo Jonesa (talk) 01:31, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

@Marlo Jonesa: Editors have repeatedly attempted to explain to you that you are not permitted to make any edits to pages connected to the Israeli–Palestinian topic area until you are extendedconfirmed as per WP:ARBPIA3 and the consensus at your AE thread. The topic ban doesn't change this; it just makes clear that this restriction – which applies to all new editors, not just you – will be enforced through blocks if such edits continue. Please edit outside the topic area as requested by the community at AE and then let me know when you've accumulated enough significant edits. I'll happily lift the topic ban at that time. ~ Rob₁₃ 01:34, 18 January 2017 (UTC)