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Hello, "DreamGuyTemplate:Infrog welcome -- Infrogmation 16:38, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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DreamGuy

No relevance? Spamming?

"also removed link to site that's been spammed to all sorts of wiki pages to which it has no relevance"

Hi DreamGuy,

what do you mean with the above statement (which I find repeated several times)? The link you were referring to was neither spammed nor to "all sorts of wiki pages" nor does it have no relevance to those pages I added the link. Furthermore I checked with some Wikipedians, if it would be okay to add the link.

Serial Killer Crime Index indeed has relevance to articles about serial killers. I can agree, if you don´t think it is appropriate to specific articles on individual serial killers. I remember having added it to pages, where there is more detailed information on an individual serial killer.

As I don´t mean to spam, I would appreciate your explanation when adding external links is meant to be spam.

BTW - the links are there since April 2004 - don´t you think they would have been removed before, if found inappropriate?

Kind regards from Austria eliZZZa 04:19, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)eliZZZa

Quite simply, links should go to more information about the topic of the article, not some pet site made by the person making the changes that generically covers some information related to the topic. Your site has absolutely no information about the topic of the vast majority of the pages it is linked to. If I made a website about, say, general phsyics principles and then tried to add it to every page on wikipedia that has anything to do with any thing in physics, that would be spamming. It's clear that you are doing this silely to boost traffic to your own site when the pages you go to don;t deal with the topic you put the link on.

I'm, sorry if this upsets you, but what you are doing is the same as spamming. I don;t have a problem with general info serial killer pages linking to your site, or *If* you have a page about the specific killer with more info than what;s already on the page, linking to that. But people want to use these links for MORE information on the page they were seeing.

DreamGuy 09:29, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

R section???

"no reason to have German language page linked to on English article, and the "R" section of same site is totally over the top link farming"

Maybe you oversaw that there is a language link on top of every page, where you can toggle languages (german/english).

Sorry to bother again - what is an "R" section and where do you find link farming???

eliZZZa 04:19, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)eliZZZa

No, I didn;t see a language link to toggle, and it's not up to wiki users to figure out how to operate your site for you. If you are on an English wikipedia page, link to the English page of the site dealing with the topic, or don't link to it at all.

And the R think was on some page of a killer last name starting with R, you didn't link to an article with *more information* about that killer (if you even have more info on any of the topics already covered by the wikipedia pages, I never saw it) featured on the page you put links on, you just linked to a page listing every serial killer whose name started with R. That's completely unhelpful. If a link doesn't go to someplace with more information, it's just a vanity/spam link.

DreamGuy 09:34, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Default Language

The default language of the mentionned sites is and has been English since 5 years. There is a language toggle to German (and if you toggle to German you can toggle back to English). If you toggled maybe when you visited the site, then it will be German the next time you visit the page.

About the "R section with link farming" as you stated: You should be at least so fair to look at the pages you are talking about: The site is organized in an overview section, where serial killers are listed by name (this was a request of several universities in USA and Germany), how else would you enable users to find single cases out of 1,800??? From such a list (with statistical details needed for research) you find links to cases where there is more detail or a "story" about the case.

Is this linkfarming??? A page on my own site, which links to pages on my own site??? Like a sitemap???

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The toggle shouldn't be an issue, as you just send them to whichever one is appropriate for the language of the article in Misplaced Pages.

How else would you enable users to find a single case out of thousands? If you have info on a single case on a page, link to that, don't link them to a card catalog and expect it to count as a legitimate External link for a Misplaced Pages article.

I looked at the pages I am talking about, so please don;t accuse me of not doing so. The pages I removed are not helpful for anyone looking for more information on that particular topic. That's what external links are for. You apparently think it deserves a link because you want people to see your site, not because it's relevant to the article in question. You probably also figure tons of links coming in will increase your search engine ranking.

P.S.

Your physics example would be true if I run a site for crime - or link my serial killer site to anything about crime - which I don´t. eliZZZa 14:59, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)eliZZZa

Come on, think about it. So since I have a site about mythology, I should be able to go to any and every article in all of wikipedia that is some topic within mythology and list it as an external link even if it has no information on the topic of the article or no more information than what the article already has?

You aren't making any sense. I'm sorry, but that's just how I see it. Maybe instead of complaining to me you should spend your time making pages on your site relevant to the articles I removed your links from.

DreamGuy 18:07, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Well, I am just complaining about your tone & the insinuations you make. And thanks for telling me what to do. eliZZZa 23:46, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)eliZZZa

Tons of...

Okay, removed the rest of the links. Your "spamming to tons of" actually was (your deletions and mine) around 20 links. Some of them not even put there by myself. This makes your "You probably also figure tons of links coming in will increase your search engine ranking." a good laugh. eliZZZa 00:19, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)eliZZZa