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: Lol. I've told him I'll block him if he does it again. ] ] 06:12, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
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That owl I had looked so incredibly wise and meditative and full of itself. I think I'll just go with the African Hooded Vulture, a k a Adminbird Waiting to Pounce, for a while.
This user has been blocked from editing Misplaced Pages 3 times. And the last admin blocked by Jimbo. The LAST. Don't trifle with her.
Userbox barnstar
Awarded by DHeyward
10:19, 2 September 2015
Hamster-powered barnstar created for this user by User:Penyulap 24 June 2013
Saw this at the top of my watchlist. As I'd already warned for topic ban violation once before, I've blocked for 48 hours as an AE action. —SpacemanSpiff07:25, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you both. Oh, look, what a beautiful page notice picture today, thank you User:MONGO. I just this minute warned another topic banned user who had gone right ahead and violated their ban. The fact is, they hardly ever get it. I always tell them specifically to read WP:TBAN when I ban them, but apparently they never do. Maybe I should start quoting it at length? Bishonen | talk10:06, 12 December 2016 (UTC).
Arghh, I can't believe I wrote articles instead of pages in Peeta's ban notice. Changed now. It makes no difference wrt the violations you blocked for, Space. Bishonen | talk10:28, 12 December 2016 (UTC).
@Bish: I clicked edit just to see that MONGO picture! Cool Tetons... ages ago I visited the Yellowstone, stayed for a while in Jackson Hole with a family. They, pre-wikipedia NPOV pioneers, gave me two stories behind the name. Those majestic peaks were called Teton by lonely, French-Canadian men with imagination (Tétine, teats = téton) who were apparently trying to cross the vast midwest country to get somewhere, or it might just be the name of adventurous Lakota Indians in Lakota-speak, who knows. On quoting WP:TBAN, I doubt it will help the person behind the sanctioned account, but it sure will add more work for you. @Peeta Singh seems upset unfortunately, links IAR for @Doug Weller to read, added a note inviting you to block. All this after the kind words and suggestions by @RexxS, @SpacemanSpiff and others above. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 14:05, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, Ms Sara, I saw the rather sad message from PS to Doug. :-( Please note again that "@" system you have doesn't ping people — not sure if you were trying to do that? You need to link their username, the way I just did with yours. Actually, when I wrote about the edit notice picture, it was a wonderful mountain lake — it switches every twelve hours, courtesy of RexxS. The Tetons are cool too, indeed. Bishonen | talk14:23, 12 December 2016 (UTC).
Sometimes I just use "@" to identify the addressee, not to ping. With a lot of participants, I find it easier to read a thread. But indeed, sometimes I just goof up. I don't think I need to ping you when I post on your talk page; but may be I am mistaken. Now am wondering about that 'wonderful mountain lake'!, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 15:01, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
Great...some folks get views of mountains and I get to look at a Praying Mantis. MONGO need add more pretty pictures...mantis not pretty.--MONGO05:38, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Hurry up and look now, little MONGO, it's a storm! Not pretty, but magnifique. Better take a good look before it turns into a whiskered fish! Bishonen | talk16:59, 14 December 2016 (UTC).
Sorry, Celia Homeford! I've blocked the range 172.58.216.0/23 now, which takes care of both of them. Please let me know if you should see any obviously related IPs that are still at large. If necessary, I could block a slightly larger range. Bishonen | talk13:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC).
New Violations of Sanctions
Fly-by socks: Image of incendiary socks dropped from free flying balloons. Detail from: Civil Defence Training Pamphlet No 2: Objects Dropped From The Air (3rd Edition). Issued by the Ministry of Home Security. This training pamphlet described some of the objects which could be found on the ground after an air-raid, including certain items which, though not of enemy origin, may be mistaken for hostile weapons, and others that may drop from the air at any time.
Since it seems like you were one half of the decision on this AE to give TTAAC an -ahem- 'last warning' about his disruptive behavior, I wanted to bring to your attention that there's been yet another jaw-dropping 1RR violation by this user no less than a mere few hours 'AFTER' the AE thread was closed with yet another "last warning" to that user: .
Forgive me for the irritation I may cause to the powers that be, but appeasing TTAAC like this over and over again and in the past has only served to empower him over the years (and this isn't the first time he has bullied and conned his way out of consequences for his behavior). It should be about conduct and competence, not a false equivalence about politics and a /false/ perception about how Trump supporters are unfairly treated on wikipedia. Their movement is largely an anti-intellectual one. So it's par for the course if they continually run into conflict with others in a decidedly *intellectual* community like wikipedia. The rest of us non-partisan historians shouldn't have to suffer because other overly-sensitive types feel like they these far-right conservative editors should be graded on a curve. It's not about liberal versus conservative. It about how many good editors who don't even go to speak up at AE because disruptive editors such as TTAAC have driven them off of articles that Arbcom recognized need special protection. Otherwise, why do we bother with the distinction at all?
I will never understand why Admins are so reluctant to enforce Arbcom discretionary sanctions and then even when a formal case is filed they second-guess whether the sanctions are really necessary, especially in a case as blatant as TTAAC. In fact, when TTAAC thought he was going to be topic banned he blamed it all on a liberally-biased conspiracy to rig the system against him, citing "a fix". He only began to watch his behavior carefully at the end when and only when he was under the gallows. How you all missed that is mind-boggling. That he resumed his disruptive behavior (see above) the very moment the investigation was over shouldn't come as a surprise. Also ignored in the AE, in favor of appeasement, was the fact that TTAAC had been called out for a serious BLP violation when he falsely slandered the Christian American President of being the founder of the radical Islamic terrorist group ISIS.. Maybe in America this is the norm where a black President's birthplace can be questioned without evidence and his religion questioned without reason. On the international community that is wikipedia, I hope the standard is higher. Never one for drama, I'm content with occasional editing of history pages, leaving the drama to the others, which is why my ego hasn't required the creation of an account until now. But if necessary to take a stand against this disruptiveness, then so be it, count me in officially.
Make no mistake, this was never about a willy-nilly mistake by a grumpy first-time editor. In that instant, I too might be so inclined to believe that only a slap on the wrist was deserved. Certainly "power tools" are required to fix this kind of slanderous damage to law-abiding public servants and others by wikipedia when it is misused this way by attacks dogs like TTAAC and Hidden Tempo.Lurking4thetimebeing (talk) 17:02, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
I'm tired of fly-by socks. Please log into your regular account if you expect me to address your concerns. Don't avoid scrutiny, it's not respectable. Bishonen | talk17:09, 12 December 2016 (UTC).
A kitten for you!
Edit conflict? with moi? It would be our first conflict ever...
Appreciate, little Drmies, it'll be fine here. It's a mistake to think db eats them (they're more useful as capos) or even that Bishzilla will eat them (she's fond of pointing out that they're too small to be worth the trouble; possibly that's some kind of hint about giving her BIG food). Bishonen | talk19:32, 12 December 2016 (UTC).
And with good reason, her being Trump's wife and all. Perhaps you could put a decorative picture of yourself on your userpage.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:36, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Oh crap, Melania. I have to dig out another ever-loving template? Why is my life so full of them? And then I'm to log it somewhere, no doubt about it. This is what I get for telling you you're only supposed to do fun stuff on Misplaced Pages. Isn't it? Bishonen | talk20:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC).
Yep, that's what you get. When you give someone advice, there's always the danger that they will take it. 0;-D And Bbb23, believe me, if I were really as good looking in RL as Melania is, you better believe I would have a picture of myself on my userpage. --MelanieN (talk) 20:58, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
If I may ask a question, I see you logged the DS notice and the page says that these actions must be logged. However, I have seen users just place a DS notice on the talk page and that is it. I have seen actions against users based on those notices, even though it is not properly logged. Indeed, I found one on a page that was so far out there that I removed it. It seems to be that sometimes people place them there incorrectly. What is the correct procedure? I do think admins/editors need to be aware that if you place a template on a page it must be logged. 🔯 Sir Joseph21:28, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
It would sure be helpful if, when article are placed under strict Coffee™ restrictions, we also added extended confirmed editing restrictions so that the obvious socks, trolls, and agenda-driven SPAs would not have the upper hand in content disputes by their sheer numbers. So far, this has not been much of an issue at this article, but I would be surprised if it doesn't become one in the next few days. My poor head hurts just thinking about it. MrXasperation21:30, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I'd have to add, MrX, that Extended Confirmed Protection is not something we use lightly. It is supposed to be used rarely and only after standard Semi-Protection has failed. We certainly can't use it pre-emptively just in case there might be disruption. Obvious socks and trolls can and should be dealt with individually - and many are screened out anyhow by semi-protection. POV warriors are another problem, harder to deal with, but many of them would be eligible to edit under Extended Confirmed anyhow. --MelanieN (talk) 22:34, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I hear you. Don't give up, an article like that needs reasonable voices (I am assuming you are one), and the DS actually do provide a good tool for removing POV warriors and other disrupters. I looked at that page and thought "this really needs help" but haven't had the time or energy to jump in myself. At least not right now. --MelanieN (talk) 22:44, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, RexxS. I didn't notice, below, that you already had it in hand up here; also, I wanted to explain about admin discretion, because sometimes people (and, frankly, admins among them) seem to get the idea that an interminable AE discussion is supposed to happen before anything can be done in those areas. That's a mistake. Hey, I notice you didn't use any of those accursed anchors either! Bishonen | talk22:21, 13 December 2016 (UTC).
You're welcome, chère. Those anchors are particular to the DS page, so it's not obvious to editors how they are to be used. In those sort of cases, I prefer to use standard section links when explaining to others, as it's one less novel item for them to take in. Cheers --RexxS (talk) 22:51, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks to both of you. I guess it seems from the links that only an admin can place the DS notice, and it must be logged. It appears some admins have been shirking their duties then. :) 🔯 Sir Joseph01:49, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
I don’t see anything that restricts the tagging of Talk pages to admins; the links above appear to refer only to their applying protection, editing restrictions (1RR & the like), or edit-notices. In case your interpretation is correct, though, I hereby confess to having tagged Talk:Macedonians (Greeks) as falling under WP:ARBMAC and request that an administrator review same.—Odysseus147902:06, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Darouet and Sir Joseph, post-1932 American politics is a topic under standard discretionary sanctions. Please click on the link and... sigh... I've no idea how to use those kinds of ≠}{\¶‰¢¥¢‰¶ anchors. Make a search for "page restrictions". The idea of discretionary sanctions is that admins, can, at their own single admin discretion, place sanctions such as topic bans and page restrictions in an area. DS are emphatically not supposed to add an extra layer of bureaucracy, but on the contrary to make it simpler to do something about battlefield topics, so there has been no discussion of the kind you'd like to see, Darouet — even what you call the "discussion" above, which wasn't really one, wasn't needed. It was just me responding to a request from an editor, MelanieN, above, naturally after first assessing the situation for myself. The correct procedure is for an admin to decide on page restrictions, place a note about them on article talk, and log them here. And that log is also the nearest thing to a list of pages under page restrictions, Darouet. As far as I've seen, page restrictions are logged in a separate subsection for some topics ("Editing of Biographies of Living Persons", "Gamergate"), but not all. For instance, for American policics, everything is just logged chronologically, restricted users and restricted pages all mixed together. Adminning is a work in progress, performed by volunteers, so you get inconsistencies. However, it's always reasonably easy to find a particular article in the log for a given year — you can just make a search for its name. I hope this is clear. Bishonen | talk22:12, 13 December 2016 (UTC).
@Bishonen: thank you. I wasn't trying to indicate displeasure or put you on the defensive: I've been unsettled by editing behavior on the page and so I think additional oversight is ideal. I just wanted to be sure I understood the mechanics and could contribute to any discussion, if there was one. -Darouet (talk) 22:17, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
And, Darouet, just in case it wasn't clear from Bishonen's response: There does NOT have to be any discussion about placing an article under those restrictions. It is not a community decision. It does not require process or consensus. Any article relating to American politics since 1932 can be covered by the Discretionary Sanctions, at the sole discretion of any individual administrator. That process, authorized by the Arbitration Committee, exists for multiple subject areas that are likely to become battlegrounds, precisely so that action can be taken swiftly and without any bureaucracy. I could have done it myself, but I came here to ask Bishonen to consider it, because I am WP:INVOLVED at multiple articles relating to the the recent election so I do not take admin actions in those topics. (Bishonen may regard that as a convenient excuse to get me out of making any tough calls.... or to dump them on her!) --MelanieN (talk) 22:27, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I do! But I also admit my own failure to edit those topics and help keep them clean day-to-day — an ungrateful job which you stubbornly perform, Melanie — is a convenient excuse for keeping myself "uninvolved" so as to be able to admin them occasionally. Bishonen | talk22:37, 13 December 2016 (UTC)
I'd rather have my job than yours, MelanieN. Sometimes it does feel like I'm unendingly explaining the abstruse wrinkles of Discretionary sanctions, and heck, of blocks, to inexperienced users. But that's OK, because a) I don't blame them, as discretionary sanctions are abstruse, and b) I'd much rather do that than to be unendingly answering stupid talkpage questions like you do. Especially that one, where the temptation to simply link to this would most likely get the better of me. Bishonen | talk16:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC).
Yeah, I don't find it hard to be nice to newbies. I can relate. I sometimes feel like a newbie myself. (What's an anchor? 0;-D) As for answering the same question over and over, I don't mind. I recall what my high school trig teacher used to say to his fourth period class, mocking himself: "I have explained this three times already today, why don't you understand?" --MelanieN (talk) 16:49, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Hey @Bishonen: this may be an unusual request, but one editor at Talk:2016 United States election interference by Russia has accused me of a DS violation, but also not reported me formally, and is asking me to check with an admin that they're correct. I'm a bit dubious because my edit is neither a revert nor an edit to a revert, but does modify content recently added by the same editor here. The implication seems to be that when they edit the contested topic that's fine, but when I do, it's a DS violation. I'd consider that obnoxious and an effort to scare other editors from working on the page. On the other hand if they're correct, they've been charitable not to report me, and I'll self-revert. It is my first edit on the SZ content in the article, and there's not an active edit war, so I assumed I should be fine. -Darouet (talk) 12:42, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Talk page protection
Is it possible to have my talk page indefinitely under extended-user protection? Whoever is trolling me keeps coming back as soon as protection expires so it will save everyone a lot more time if this can be made possible. Thank you.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 05:05, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
I see Barek took care of it, though only for a month. Now I suppose we may see very patient sleepers waiting for one month and then making 500 nonsense edits, like this character, who I indeffed for gaming (I'm not as soft as Dennis thinks). Bishonen | talk16:53, 14 December 2016 (UTC).
The only reason I asked for such an extreme measure is because even longer periods under that level of protection have been put in place but the person or persons who do this still come back. They are not saying anything particularly harsh, but it causes a lot of trouble for other editors who continuously revert him until an admin comes along. It is a cycle that has been going on for almost a year. Strangely, I know it is not CrazyAces so I have absolutely no idea why whoever it is feels inclined to keep this going on for so long.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 19:06, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
Star + snack
The Barnstar of Good Humor
With all due respect to the lovely menagerie, this one goes to the H. sapiens sapiens—the "one'n only 'onen". And, because barnstars aren't especially delicious, a bite-sized loaf of banana bread. (Don't give 'zilla; 'frigeration not required.) RivertorchWATER02:04, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
One'n only 'onen, hehehe. Thank you User:Rivertorch, it's nice to see you yourself on my page, with all due respect to your evil twin. Banana bread, delicious! I only hope Darwinbish isn't already in there, tunnelling around like a pacman and gorging herself. She thinks that's a very good joke whenever I get something tunnel-able to eat. Bishonen | talk11:24, 15 December 2016 (UTC).
No, it doesn't need an update saying Bigfoot definitely exists, which is what you've been trying for on the talkpage, P.I.M.S.. Please use reliable sources. This is not the way to find reliable sources! And please pay more attention to all the warnings and advice on your talkpage. I'm afraid so far you have simply been wasting other people's time — and you think it's getting annoying?Bishonen | talk15:31, 15 December 2016 (UTC).
If you don't see any difference between Vanamonde's request and your pointy one, I can't help you. I'm too busy to start investigating a user who's completely unknown to me. Administrators are volunteers. You may be able to find some with more leisure at AE. Why do you keep changing your username? Bishonen | talk10:51, 16 December 2016 (UTC).
Please don't block me!!!!!!!!!!!!p.s. see my talk page.
I didn't know having book recommendations on y user page was bad. Thank you for the information it was very useful I didn't know the rules of Misplaced Pages so thank you for giving me a chance I probably should not have paniced and went overboard with the messages ..... Wordsighn (talk) 15:50, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
RexxS, can you advise the user? I went to Misplaced Pages:User Page Design Center/Help and collaboration/FAQ and looked at the tips. Unfortunately, the note at the top, "This page exists only to help users with the design of their pages, not to design it for them. For that, go to Misplaced Pages:User page design center/Help and collaboration/Trading spaces", turned out to link to a long defunct page. Wordsighn is so new that I suspect he needs more practical help than those tips (and that's probably why he came to me). I'm pretty sure there's some help to be had somewhere, but that's as far as I've got. Wordsighn, I'm stupid about that stuff, but I've got very smart talkpage watchers, RexxS and others. Please wait until one of them posts either here or on your own page. Bishonen | talk17:18, 17 December 2016 (UTC).
Yes, of course I can help, but I really need to know what Wordsighn wants. Perhaps if they looked around at other users' pages, they might find something they like and I could adapt it for them? User:Alarbus has an elegant minimalism about it. User:Giano has hidden links all over the image. Jack's userpage had lots of little flourishes. And so on. Multiple columns, different background colours, borders, drop shadows, etc. are all design features that can be used, but Wordsighn really needs to make some suggestions. --RexxS (talk) 19:06, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
This user popped up on my radar about a year or so ago, and notice that they still come to Misplaced Pages. Would it be worth looking into a possible unblock considering it has been like 4 years now since they got blocked? I am asking you because it looks like you have had dealings in the past with the user. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 05:29, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Knowledgekid87: Oh, that reminds me: I've got plenty of room to unhide Penyulap's hamster-powered barnstar at the top of the page again! Done... I don't think the wobbly TOC will interfere with it. I have indeed had dealings. I'll think about your suggestion and get back to you. Thanks for bringing it up. Bishonen | talk12:24, 19 December 2016 (UTC).
I've edited Bishonen occasionally in the past, but I don't really want to; COI, you know. Update on Penyulap: I've tried to get in touch with him, so far without success. Bishonen | talk17:38, 20 December 2016 (UTC).
Okay well thanks for trying, if he still comes around though I am sure he will read it eventually. As for Bishonen I don't really see COI being of issue there, if you have knowledge about the subject and can source it then it would be beneficial. You have been on Misplaced Pages awhile now so I feel that you could work with others when it comes to neutrality. This is just my opinion anyways, it doesn't have to be a bad thing. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 14:39, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Merry Merry
Season's Greetings, Bishonen! At this wonderful time of year, I would like to give season’s greetings to all the fellow Wikipedians I have interacted with in the past! May you have a wonderful holiday season! MarnetteD|Talk16:22, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Funnily enough, today we had some people by the house singing Christmas carols, which is a first for me. I found it peculiar that, as a Canadian, my first experience with Carolers is in Indonesia, and they were Australian. A merry Christmas to you Bish (and Bishzilla et. al.) And a happy new year. --kelapstick10:34, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
"Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind you That Dad Time be your friend from here to the end And sickness nor sorrow don't find you." —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926. Montanabw 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi, Just Chilling. When you ask for my views, do you just want my views, which you can certainly have, either here or on the UTRS page, or am I supposed to also deal with the user (unblock them, and discuss their draft page)? Or will you take care of that? When I softblocked them, they were called "Arabic Robotics", and I can't quite understand why there's no trace of the name change.
You know, I rather regret ever volunteering for UTRS, because I have a lot of trouble with the interface and the whole system, and didn't get any help when I asked for it the last time. (My own communication was at fault, no doubt.) After the current issue has been solved, I think I'll just un-volunteer. (Assuming I ever understand how to do that.) Regards, Bishonen | talk22:55, 25 December 2016 (UTC).
I, also, have had issues with the UTRS interface. Though the name change is puzzling, my inclination is for me to unblock the new name with a COI warning. Their article will then have to take its chances. Are you OK with this? Just Chilling (talk) 00:52, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, that's fine, Just Chilling. I get the impression the user's main reason for appealing to UTRS was to have their Draft:ِArabic Robotics undeleted — I deleted it as unambiguous promotion. But that may have been a bit hard. I don't mind at all if you undelete it, still as a draft, of course. Possibly they can get enough help with it to eventually make it reasonable for article space. Bishonen | talk23:59, 26 December 2016 (UTC).
Thank you, Just Chilling. I've now attempted to un-volunteer through the medium of an e-mail to utrs-admins@googlegroups.com. I think it may be more a place for computer nerds, not so much for the likes of me. Bishonen | talk17:23, 27 December 2016 (UTC).
Soham321 sanctions
@Bish: Have the sanctions on @Soham321 expired, or been lifted? Please see this, which would fall under the old sanction. Is there an easy way to find out what active sanctions apply on a particular user? Nothing urgent, enjoy the holidays. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:03, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I came here to offer some off topic thoughts after reading your comment at a current a AE thread. But first I have to thank you for the double-take, followed by the laugh. I've never seen the slanted TOC before. Did I enter the lair of Batman's enemies? Anyway....
I'd like us to make reforms that
Block editing until complained-about eds make a reply
After said reply, encourage unilateral admin action
Condemn admins who make "no action" closings because both sides are in the wrong or by dismissing bad behavior by classifying it as a "content" dispute
Encourages sanctioned eds to appeal their own sanction and purge any badge of shame from their record, but deals harshly with any appeal based on how wrong the other party might have been
Readily dish out sanctions to eds who vent about others without diffs (and use 50-word limit without diffs as a likely red flag)
Maybe other things; idea is to renew the DS/AE process by nurturing a culture of Clean hands. I'm interested in general goals or tangible ideas for other ways to make DS/AE work better. Your thoughts?
Welcome to my page, @NewsAndEventsGuy: WP:AE, though very much run by admins, is an arbitration committee page, so a proposal for reform should probably be put on... hmm... somewhere like Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration Committee. I feel cynical about changing human nature or internet customs by either encouragement or condemnation, though. When it comes to appeals based on how wrong the other party might have been, and venting without diffs, they pretty much dominate AE, and the most common reason for it is WP:CIR. Did you happen to notice the new request, posted on the page after my complaint, and well enough illustrating what I was talking about..? For my part I feel more like going with TNT than reform. (And then setting up a new page for appeals only, because sunlight and publicity are essential for bans by cowboy admins. Input from the community, and from more admins.)
Admins ought probably to be more ready to trust their own discretion, and mete out sanctions. But that said, there's often a respectable reason why the most knowledgeable admins don't: they're involved. Many (most?) Indian admins edit the slough-of-despond of caste pages, and many American admins edit the major American political articles. It's often in practice left to European admins to "admin" both areas — even though they're statistically less likely to be knowledgable about them, and consequently less confident in handing out sanctions. A bit of a cleft stick, that.
Sorry to be so negative. Hey, did you notice that my TOC not only slants, but wobbles? Reload the page a few times to see. It's that RexxS character.Bishonen | talk22:33, 28 December 2016 (UTC).
did you notice that my TOC not only slants, but wobbles? Oh, is that what it was? I thought I was just overdoing it with our new espresso machine.... Yes, I generally agree with your description of the state of affairs and that the arbs would have to debate any changes. Its my understanding incoming arbs are interested in exploring reform ideas and am trying to (optimistically) marshal my own thoughts to contribute. Interesting observation about admins shying away due to conflict of interest issues. Maybe the admins could articulate some guidelines to encourage them to act. If did blow it up and start over, what are the general goals it should strive for? What are the chances we'd end up with something demonstrably different than what we have now? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:21, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
@Bish: Ahh! A lovely Yellowstone-like pic by MONGO!! The meditating owl in the silent wilderness is amazing too. On AE/AN/etc.... I see SpacemanSpiff is now hauled by @Junosoon in three venues ANI, AN and AE. Ludicrous, frankly. The edit history of OP filing the cases, is just rapid fire edits, each separated by some 1 to 4 minutes, of major deletions/disruptions of a high traffic ARBIPA-space article, without any consensus or serious discussion on the talk page. These ignore wikipedia content guidelines. @SpacemanSpiff, as usual, made the right call.
The ability of upset editors to post the same issue/appeal at a rapid fire pace on AE/ANI/AN noticeboards needs a rethink. Due process objective for the upset editor is important, but so are three other objectives: the time and effort of admins, the time and effort of non-admin editors hauled up, and the goals of the wikipedia project. Time is a zero-sum issue. It may be time to consider, if there aren't already, rules on case consolidation, that is cases by the same editor cannot be posted on more than one admin forum cool off rule between appeal(s) on the same case; that is, if someone is sanctioned or blocked, the first appeal can be immediate; but if the appeal is denied, thereafter, the editor must wait for 24 hours before second appeal; if that is denied, wait for 72 hours before third appeal on a different board, and so on. This may help all concerned. Just some suggestions, but I confess I am really clueless about AE/AN guidelines and history. I also confess that I am far more concerned about the three objectives above, far less about the due process for upset disrupters after the first appeal. Happy new year to you and all your talk page stalkers, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:00, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Was that MONGO's geyser you saw, Ms Sarah? I'm never sure when exactly the pic changes. The owl is there for the long haul, though — at least until the horse comes ambling back into the summer meadow. You make very good points; won't you add your thoughts at Misplaced Pages talk:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement, the last section? I'll say one thing, though: I feel both admins and non-admins who are hauled before those boards could often afford to be a bit cooler about it, and not take so much time and effort to respond. If you can see the report is without merit, then likely enough the uninvolved admins can, too. Of course it's harder to ignore a report if you're not used to being hauled up and criticized, and you may feel your rep is on the line. But you note how brief SpacemanSpiff is in his response at both ANI and AE, and as for me, being a very abusive admin, I'm so used to being reported that I sometimes barely reply at all — though of course it depends on the quality of the report. Kautilya3, I'm glad to hear welcomelaws works. It looks awfully long and a bit overwhelming to me. Bishonen | talk18:07, 31 December 2016 (UTC).
Maybe we should have a word limit at AE, while allowing people who post to their word limit to request a specific number of additional words. We could instruct admins to routinely deny such requests except in complicated cases where the first posting has high signal-to-noise. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:16, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Roter Glühwein
@Bish: Yeah, geyser with steam going one way, clouds the other. Pretty. You are spot on about the time and effort if one is not used to being hauled up.... may be it is the process, may be it is human nature, may be it is just lack of good cup of something wonderful like tea/coffee/glühwein. May be it is inner geyser of the frustrated affected parties venting some steam. May be it is the urge to either be silent or say all that must be said. Will post that para; is this the right section, or some other, or should I start a new section? @NewsAndEventsGuy: there is a 500 word limit already at AE, if I remember right. The archives suggest filers typically don't care!! Are you suggesting the edit box should automatically count and force this limit (or just display the first 500 words)... that could be interesting if our software wizards can figure out how to do so? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 18:44, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
That's the section I meant, Sarah, but if you think it's veering off from the subject and/or the header is mysterious, I suppose you might start a new one. A new section typically gets more attention, I think — people notice it. Bishonen | talk20:00, 31 December 2016 (UTC).
@Sarah, absolutely, the loquacious droners should be cut off. In my view, the project would benefit if we jettison all those lacking the self-discipline to stay within a limit, because such people probably fall under WP:CIR.... this assumes, of course, that they know about the limit. I post at AE from time to time, but I did not. Maybe that's so obvious that my failure to realize it means that (((I))) fall under CIR, but whose counting? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:53, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Editor of the Week seeking nominations (and a new facilitator)
The Editor of the Week initiative has been recognizing editors since 2013 for their hard work and dedication. Editing Misplaced Pages can be disheartening and tedious at times; the weekly Editor of the Week award lets its recipients know that their positive behaviour and collaborative spirit is appreciated. The response from the honorees has been enthusiastic and thankful.
The list of nominees is running short, and so new nominations are needed for consideration. Have you come across someone in your editing circle who deserves a pat on the back for improving article prose regularly, making it easier to understand? Or perhaps someone has stepped in to mediate a contentious dispute, and did an excellent job. Do you know someone who hasn't received many accolades and is deserving of greater renown? Is there an editor who does lots of little tasks well, such as cleaning up citations?
In addition, the WikiProject is seeking a new facilitator/coordinator to handle the logistics of the award. Please contact L235 if you are interested in helping with the logistics of running the award in any capacity. Remove your name from here to unsubscribe from further EotW-related messages. Thanks, Kevin (aka L235·t·c) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:19, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Questionable IP actions
I had a brief interaction with User:SlitherioFan2016, in which I tried to explain that they should not continue the behavior that was currently leading them down the road to being blocked. Shockingly, they are now indef blocked. However, before this, they left a message on my talk page. Standard Christmas stuff, but as I had washed my hands of the issue I removed it because I didn't want to encourage further correspondence. Twice now, an IP editor has come in and restored it. Now, I'm trying to assume good faith here, but I have suspicions that this might be SlitherioFan2016 editing from an IP address. No IP editor took this much of an interest in my talk page before this, and the double reverts from two different IPs makes me wonder. Do you have any suggestions? If SlitherioFan2016 is indeed socking, how do I go about requesting a check user? Obviously I don't want to make a false claim, but this is just too coincidental for me to let go. Thanks. --Tarage (talk) 00:40, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Now another sock, unrelated to SlitherioFan2016, has tried to get my talk page deleted randomly. I'm a bit confused as to what has drawn all of these vandals to my talk page all of a sudden... --Tarage (talk) 00:44, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
It won't profit you to request a CU; the CUs will never connect an account with an IP, for privacy reasons. I've blocked both IPs for 48 hours as obvious ducks. The account has also been blocked and was, guess what, brand new. As for "all of these vandals", I expect they're all one person. Shall I semi your page for a week or so? That'll protect it against both IPs and new accounts. Please reply soonest, as I'm about to shut down for the night. Bishonen | talk00:52, 31 December 2016 (UTC).
Sorry I did not reply fast enough. Either way I'm fine for now. I'll let you or another admin know if things get worse. Thanks. --Tarage (talk) 01:00, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Happy New Year ...
... dear Bishonen. Will the molybdomantic result be shaped like a crown, as Lasse saw it, meaning you will be Queen next year (or just a book, as Anna saw it, meaning you will be spending another year editing Misplaced Pages)? ---Sluzzelintalk18:36, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello Sluzzelin, happy new year to you too! As long as it's not shaped like a ?=≠}{\)(/&%€# handheld device, I'm good. I just donated my tablet to my techie son, who had some peculiar use for it... remote control for his camera, I think. Bless him, just as long as he takes it off my hands. Our Molybdomancy article is quite interesting: apparently the shapes are to be interpreted "symbolically", e. g. the shape of a horse would mean I'll get a new car. LOL... you'd think the shape of a car was easier for the lead to assume, wouldn't you — why go round via the difficult shape of a frigging horse! Montanabw, if you tried molten lead divination and were pleased to see it predicted a new horse for you, I'm sorry to say no, it didn't, all it meant was a car! Disappointing, I know. Bishonen | talk20:16, 31 December 2016 (UTC).
You rang? LOL! Actually, I DID get a new car in November AND a new horse last April, so who knows? Thanks for the ping! Montanabw17:00, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Hate to bother you with this but I could use help nipping a possible wikihounding in the bud. My goal in writing you is not enforcement, just a warning so this does not grow into anything bigger (hopefully). Specifically, I think My very best wishes (talk·contribs) has hounded me to the essay WP:Wikilawyering and I explained the reasons for my belief at his talk page. In reply, MVBW simply purged my comment with the dismissive edit summary "if you disagree with my edits, please explain why on talk page of the corresponding article". I'm aware of WP:OWNTALK so the fact he deleted the comment is not the issue. The problem is that I laid out what I believe is pretty clear evidence that I was hounded to that page, and MVBW has disruptively ignored the polite question that concluded my comment -- "Setting aside the merits of my bold edit, can you please explain how you managed to appear there so soon after I made that change?"
Under WP:WIKIHOUNDING, the merits of one's edits are not the issue. It's the stalking and bugging and annoying that is so effective at driving away editors. I'd like MVBW to answer the polite question about how they managed to appear someplace they have never been just 30 min after my edit. The merits of the edit is a separate issue. To their credit, they did start a talk thread at that essay page, but I have not yet read it because the merits of the edit are far less important than the respect and trust that are so essential to collaborative efforts at consensus. Might you have a word with us, after looking the matter over? Thanks for thinking about it. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 17:46, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
NewsAndEventsGuy, the "User contributions" button is there for a purpose; there is nothing wrong with somebody clicking on it on your page, or even with going on to click on one of your contributions to take a look, even if that contribution is on a page the person has never edited before. (I do that all the time, when I'm either concerned about, or simply interested in, somebody's edits.) The question isn't whether MVBW has turned up at a page you have recently edited, but whether they have followed you from place to place and joined discussions on multiple pages or topics you have edited, with an apparent aim of creating irritation, annoyance or distress to you. (The italicized bits are verbatim from WP:WIKIHOUNDING.) I can't see that MVBW has done any of that, or even has put forth anything like a bud that wants "nipping". You made a bold edit to the essay, MVBW reverted it, with an explanation (a good explanation IMO) in the edit summary. The next thing that needed to happen, per the highly respected essay WP:BRD, would be for you, if you wanted to stand by the edit, to start a discussion on talk. Instead you went to MVBW's talk and accused him, in a roundabout way, of acting improperly. After removing your post on their talk, MVBW started an article talk discussion themselves, which was nice of them, you know, as it was actually your job. I'm afraid I don't understand your reaction at all; not your insistence that the merits of your edit don't come into it and perhaps least of all your statement that you haven't even read MVBW's article talkpage post, instead giving priority to going to an admin to talk about hounding. I suggest you go read it now and, if you're still interested in the matter, respond. Bishonen | talk18:29, 1 January 2017 (UTC).
I'm glad we agree that he (almost instantly) followed my contribs to a place (he'd never been before); and you're correct that there are no further details with which one might analyze the interaction. My intent, before he started that thread, was to start my own and call attention at talk for WP:3RR and WP:3RRN, and I will carry on with that plan as time allows. FYI, I'm reserving the option of revisiting this example if any additional evidence should emerge which suggestgs the possibility of a problem. Thanks for your time, though we disagree. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:52, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
I see... I think. Thank you for raising this, GSS-1987. You know, I have trouble even understanding how the templates you link work. I see he created a whole heap of them, so I think I'll just ping a couple of admins who are more at home with the subjects. @RegentsPark and SpacemanSpiff: might one of you like to take care of this? Bishonen | talk11:37, 2 January 2017 (UTC).
I usually stay away from Template deletions unless they fall under the G criteria for speedy, I don't deal with Tx deletion rationales, though I think in this case the couple mentioned here may classify for G2 as I can't see them being anything more than, "See, I can make templates" kind of actions. GSS-1987, if you think something can be speedied then please tag them per WP:CSD and any admin can perform the deletions, others will have to go throu WP:TfD. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff11:56, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
@SpacemanSpiff: Thank you for your responce, Actuly I was not sure which G criteria for speedy I need to request so thank you for your suggestion and have a very Happy New Year. GSS (talk|c|em) 12:09, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
I think I spoke too soon. The first temlate can't be deleted G2 because it is in use. The appropriateness is a different question altogether, so a TfD might be needed. Also, why is a religious symbol being used in a geographic template? —SpacemanSpiff12:14, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
That's what I was thinking and not only in geographic templates even in music and biographic related templates too. I have replaced that symbol on few stub templates and still doing on others. I have not yet requested G2 on the first one but there are some more which fall under G2 so am working on those at the moment. GSS (talk|c|em) 12:22, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
I am sorely tempted to invoke IAR and delete the most pointless of these, but going to TfD might be best, just to be safe. These are less test pages in the strictest sense, and more just an outpouring of pointless and not-thought-out templates; for which, regrettably, we have no CSD criterion. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 12:52, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
I've deleted that one, as for the task force, you may want to check with Cyphoidbomb or others interested in Punjabi cinema and at WT:FILM if that should be kept or sent for deletion (I'm guessing that task forces get discussed at their project before being created). I notice that the Khanda (Sikh symbol) has been spammed there too, sort of like putting a Cross or Star of David in a Hollywood project.—SpacemanSpiff13:55, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
SpacemanSpiff: I'm not so familiar with the guidlines for creating WikiProjects but I can see many of the WikiProjects and other pages created by the user looks incompleted and unused. I tired but can't find any discussion for creating task force project. As per his behaviour and edits I think he was here just to prove Punjab as a Sikh homeland but I think he forget to check the census report and the use of Khanda (Sikh symbol) everywhere related to Punjab seems like a part of his mission, In one of his comment he said The Khanda is a symbol of the Sikh nation and Punjab, which represents the Punjabi and Sikh people and their homeland. I think am done with the templates so moving to concentrate on other pages he created. GSS (talk|c|em) 16:16, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Purple flowers/weeds or whatever
Posting this here to see if one of your 2 million talkpage watchers has any clue what these purple flowers are...I've never been able to find anyone who knew. Happy New Year!--MONGO17:24, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
And there you go, MONGO! See what clever talkpage stalkers I have. Acroterion please give my regards to Mrs A. Very pretty, Liatris. I've never met them IRL, which is explained by their being North Americans, I guess. Bishonen | talk18:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC).
Acroterion and his wife are probably super smart Reptilians...Masters of the Universe, Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. cause I've asked around alleged experts and they said "purple flowers". Thanks Mr. A and to his wife especially!--MONGO18:14, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Very fine Rivertorch...see master of Bishzilla, they might have these Jurassic looking flowers somewhat nearby afterall.--MONGO18:42, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Oh wow, I have these in my garden, although I confess that the name escaped me since I planted them long ago. Like just about everything else in my garden, they're chosen because the bees love them. There are side effects to having a garden filled with plants intended as food for pollinators - I had a stand-off with a hummingbird last summer when trimming some shrubbery. Definitely the coolest thing that happened to me in the past year. Risker (talk) 18:56, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Mme A complains that they don't grow for her, but it may be that the rabbits, voles and groundhogs like them too. Considering she has no trouble growing anything else I think the critters are the real problem. @Risker: last April I was fixing the house and heard angry buzzing. I turned around and there was a male hummingbird two feet from my head to complain that I hadn't put out the hummingbird food yet. They remember food sources from year to year and they aren't shy about making demands. I had new food out within the hour. By August we had 6 to 8 little demanding birds tanking up on sugar water. Acroterion(talk)19:06, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
They tend to self-seed in my garden adjacent to the border where they're supposed to be. (Liatris, I mean, not hummingbirds.) If I were more punctual in my weeding, I might inadvertently pull them before realizing what they are and moving them back where they belong. RivertorchWATER19:24, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
It's so nice to get a notification that I have seven new messages, and none of them turn out to be from <long-term vandal name redacted> and/or the kind stalkers who revert them. Happy new year, everybody, and thank you for sorting out the purple flowers and also the stroppy hummingbirds. Especially it's cool to get all that while MONGO's purple Liatris are still featured in the edit notice (which will probably change soon now). Bishonen | talk21:57, 2 January 2017 (UTC).
Thank you for your message and taking the time to explain.
1. I did not knowingly violate 1RR. I thought that meant 1 edit per day only but GoodDay seems to explain that it is not that strict but follows another rule. Still, I never tested that to the limit.
2. There is no clear stable version but the one that I am suggesting is among the more stable of the non-stable versions.
3. The version that I proposed is very much a compromise version. I discovered that the Donald article is very heated and discussed more than once to withdraw from the article, which I did, with the noted exception of fixing the prose and grammar to the first sentence or two, at which time I would completely withdraw. I have followed that for a few weeks but even one sentence is difficult to nail down in that article.
3a. There are reasonable rationale that Donald is not a politician having never held elected political office before. Therefore, mention that he is an American politician is wrong. However, in the interest of compromise and de-escalation, something that many editors in that article are not doing, I said that forget about the politician issue. Let's assume that it is there. If so, then fix the sentence structure and make it not redundant. That is really being accommodating and conciliatory, far more than the other editors. You should recognize this.
4. You wrote that I have not discussed the matter since December 20. Millions of Misplaced Pages users have not either. In fact, NOBODY has. The last discussion was in archive 40. At that discussion, NOBODY disagreed that redundant prose is good and nobody disputed that one version was redundant.
4a. To refresh your memory or explain to you for the first time, consider the following sentence. Bioshonen is a Japanese businessman and a Japanese businessperson. Isn't that redundant? Trump is an American politician and the President. That is redundant because the only claim to being a politician is being President. However, if you separate it into 2 sentences, it is not glaringly redundant because the second sentence expands on the first.
Once again, it is not "my preferred version" but merely a compromise to put my feelings aside and concentrate only on the quality of the prose and withdraw from the article otherwise (and withdraw from the article totally after the first 1-2 sentences are corrected in the medium term).
Your preferred compromise which you have no consensus for, then. That's the last straw; I have topic banned you from Donald Trump and related pages. Please see your own page. Bishonen | talk09:29, 4 January 2017 (UTC).
Mistake
Cooperation happens when the boss and the subordinate truly agree to work together.
Your action has stifled desire to work in Misplaced Pages, for example in the Boeing 717 article. You write that "it won't be a great hardship". This is where you are wrong about human psychology. Cooperation is better.
Here is where I feel I have been hurt.
1. One of your first sentence is "you have been sanctioned for disruptive editing". This is not true. The non-redundant prose by having 2 sentences instead of one repetitive sentence is still there. This has not caused disruption.
Furthermore, plenty of people edit and don't add talk page comments. The easier to understand rule would be that all edits, except typos, must have discussion by the editor wanting any change.
3. I have adopted a truly neutral position. I do not take sides to what to include in the sentence, whether Trump is a politician, television personality, etc. I do have an opinion but have limited myself only to prose correction in the first paragraph of the lede, not even the whole lede.
4. I am truly hurt by your sanctions and the permanent mark it leaves me.
However, I hear what you are saying in that you want to apply sanctions.
Therefore, I suggest the following:
1. You remove this sanction as if it never existed.
2. I will voluntarily not edit at all for a week for any article. This will show self control. Believe me, this really would show willpower.
3. I will be more familiar with the rules. I did not know this technical rule about commenting on the talk page because I thought it was a settled matter after archive 40 and NOBODY else raised a discussion in the talk page after archive 40 until those comments (which support me) hours before your sanction.
Thank you for your kind consideration of not sanctioning me. Please undo it. I will not disappoint you for doing so. In fact, if you do so, I will make extra effort to repay such thoughtful action by diving back into Misplaced Pages and make stuff good, especially that Boeing 717 article (after a week of self imposed total self control of not editing). Usernamen1 (talk) 04:46, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
@Usernamen1:, I do understand that any kind of sanction hurts, beyond the mere inability to edit a certain article (which you probably don't mind about so much, am I right?), and I was sorry to have to do it. But you were actually being extremely stubborn. Your changes to the lede kept being reverted, by different people, and both Melanie and I warned you, so you surely aren't going to tell me you didn't know that others disagreed with your version. It's really not about not understanding a technical rule, but about insisting on your own version beyond what's reasonable (yes, it's your version — your compromise version — and it has now been reverted again).
I'm not interested in testing your willpower; I don't see that it would be any benefit to Misplaced Pages if you stay away for a week, rather the contrary. I have a countersuggestion: if you undertake voluntarily to not edit Donald Trump or related pages for the next few months, I'll lift the sanction "as if it never existed", as you say, including removing it from the log. No permanent mark. How's that? You wouldn't have to do anything of an official nature: just state below whether or not you accept my suggestion. Bishonen | talk15:29, 5 January 2017 (UTC).
Kind request
I, hereby, kindly ask for your reconsideration of the topic ban. Please consider the following:
1. I have not had bitterness but showed extreme restraint in not editing or looking at Misplaced Pages for a week. Ok, I think I looked at it twice over the past few days but only for a moment.
2. Your statement that "I don't see that it would be any benefit to Misplaced Pages if you stay away for a week, rather the contrary." shows that your actions actually harm Misplaced Pages because it take the lifeblood of good editors when you take action against them.
3. The most important is that a week later, the grammatically correct and non-redundant version of the Donald article is just what I said. My suggested version IS the stable, consensus version. It has remained for a week, not the bad prose, redundant version, which is now a past, no-consensus version. My suggested version is that if you have the word "politician" (and I have taken no stance on that in recent weeks), you cannot have President-elect or President in the same sentence. So you are punishing me for doing the right thing and encouraging people who did the wrong thing.
4. There has been absolutely no support for a redundant, bad prose version. Many are fighting over content, but nobody is supporting the bad prose. There are a few people mentioning about redundancy and support my suggestion. Remember, I have disengaged from all politics and only concentrate on the prose of first 1-3 sentences of the lede. If there is a model for constructive behavior in this article, I am the one.
5. I was never warned or made aware of the offense which caused the topic ban, namely "you're not supposed to re-add a disputed version without first getting consensus for it through discussion on the talkpage". I did leave commentary in the edit summary. Others changed stuff without talk page discussion and are in clear violation yet I am the only person among 7 billion people that is topic banned for the Donald article, as far as I can see. This is not right!
5a. The talk page has some consensus FOR my suggestions and no support at all for wanting redundancy (nobody said "Americans are stupid, you have to repeat and be redundant" or "this should be the exception for redundancy")
Please make this a positive experience for me by removing the topic ban. This will energize me in Misplaced Pages writing. I have no desire to wage political battles in that Donald article, unlike many.
Thank you for your kind consideration of my request. Please be a nice person and unban me. The result will be a happy situation and you can be sure that I'm not going to jump back into that article....for sure! Usernamen1 (talk) 00:47, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Perhaps I didn't read your message carefully enough. When you say "you can be sure that I'm not going to jump back into that article....for sure!", is that actually your voluntary undertaking to stay away from it (and other Trump-related articles) for three months? You only have to say "yes" or "no" below. Bishonen | talk04:39, 12 January 2017 (UTC).
But not absolute refraining. My intent is to merely and occasionally remind others, if the non-consensus, redundant, bad prose version creeps up, then I plan to remind them of the prose error. (Note that my suggested version or similar versions have stayed on the article for a week and before that was on for a while (with others making edits but keeping the same non-redundant sentence structure). I don't get involved in the politics, merely the prose....and the prose of just the first 2 or so sentences. As far as voluntarily staying away from Trump-related articles, sure. As far as voluntarily staying away from political aspects of the Donald article, sure. As far as voluntarily staying away from prose issues in other parts of the article, sure. And if users come out and state "I want a bad prose article and want crappy writing for the 1st paragraph of the lede" and everyone else says the same thing, sure. It's crazy to punish me when there are so many aggressive and fighting editors in that article. Think about that! Usernamen1 (talk) 04:46, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Please allow this and lift the topic ban. I now realize that you do not have the power to remove all traces of it because then you would have to oversight all of our conversations and many edits over different user talk pages. Usernamen1 (talk) 04:48, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Usernamen, the reason I topic banned you was that you zoomed in on this one thing, which was never an "error", and insisted on it to the point of disruption and beyond, in defiance of consensus and the page rules, and kept "reminding" people that they must accept your version. I won't have any more of that, sorry. You can't come back in any shape or form to that talkpage. If you won't agree to that voluntarily, please take your appeal of the ban to either WP:AE, WP:AN, or WP:ARCA, per the instructions in my ban notice. As for "not removing all traces", no ordinary editor nor people outside Misplaced Pages would be able to see it any more. Let it go. You think an admin would be digging around for traces of it in the log history? Nobody will. Anyway, please stop this now. I'm going back to bed. Take your appeal to one of the boards I've mentioned, if you like. Bishonen | talk05:00, 12 January 2017 (UTC).
Sorry to wake you up. You must have a different kind of Misplaced Pages because my Misplaced Pages does not have any kind of alarm to wake me up. Sorry also to have made you angry. But please note that my suggested version has become the consensus and stable version for a full week. My suggested version was "whatever you want but don't have redundant, bad prose". Others agree.
No administrator may modify a sanction placed by another administrator without:
the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator
I am having trouble understanding your suggestion. You mentioned WP:AE but that says that they will act only if you agree to lift a topic ban. If so, then why go through them when you have to approve it whether I go to you or go to them (who will then go to you)? Again, I voluntarily agree to stay away from all Trump related articles and the Trump article itself, with the exception, that if people forget about bad prose in the first 2-3 sentences, I will see if they have considered the current consensus version WITH respect to prose and non-redundancy....choose whatever political contents you want but write it in a decent way. Again, sorry for making you angry but you have the final say whether I appeal or not. Funny how Misplaced Pages works. You are the decision maker and there is no real appeal because you must give the ok for any change. Usernamen1 (talk) 05:37, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Is this trolling deliberate (and hence disruptive), or through an inability to read (and hence incompetent)? 'Shonen is far too soft on both disruption and incompetence, but others are not, and I will not treat your behaviour here with kid gloves. So take this seriously: The text in WP:AC/DS #sanctions.modify states "No administrator may modify a sanction placed by another administrator without: (1) the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or (2) prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" below). (my emphasis). Do you not understand the word "or" in English? Or did you just stop reading after the first option? The "Important notes" clarify that an appeal will succeed if there is a "clear and substantial consensus of (a) uninvolved administrators at AE or (b) uninvolved editors at AN." For somebody who spends so much time arguing about the niceties of English grammar, you certainly seem to have little comprehension of what is written about the sanction. Now, either take your complaint to WP:AE for uninvolved admins to decide it; or take your complaint to WP:AN for uninvolved editors to decide it. You actually have other options such as wasting Arbitrators' time at WP:ARCA (which will end badly for you), or accepting that the sanction was properly placed for your blatant edit-warring after a warning on a page under discretionary sanctions. But you've had to chance to appeal here, and it's been politely declined: if you post here again and mention the topic that you are banned from, I'll take you to WP:AE myself with a request to have you kicked off the site indefinitely. --RexxS (talk) 15:40, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
RexxS, your threat is taken seriously. Your threat to have me kicked off the site indefinitely is very aggressive. That sort of attitude will get you the "yes, sir" but is not a service to Misplaced Pages. Like a concentration camp prisoner, I say "yes sir".
Bishonen, your behavior is mixed. In some ways, very effective in getting understanding and cooperation. In some ways, you shouldn't get up from bed to answer but wait until the next day. In some ways, your warning was unclear because I did not violate 1RR so your lack of precise sanction notice comments was a disservice to your good reputation. Do not get discouraged in administering but also know that some people, including me, see sanctions as a badge of disgrace and clear discussion with the user, if they are open to it, can lead to long term good behaviour, rather than resentment.
My plans is that this whole thing has soured me on Misplaced Pages. I do not plan to edit anytime soon, not even 2 non-political articles that I had high hopes to make them featured article quality. Usernamen1 (talk) 06:22, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Usernamen1: Your warring over that lede was stunningly lame and time-wasting, your refusal to hear what you are being told is hard to comprehend, and the support at AE for your topic ban was unanimous. You need to drop it now. If you don't drop the subject of your topic ban, and you continue distracting productive people who have much better things to do with their time than listening to your incessant complaining, I will block you for disruption. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 11:25, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry you've been soured on Misplaced Pages, Usernamen1; I hope it's temporary. And, while I can understand a bit of venting when you were topic banned, and again when your appeal was declined, you need to stop souring other people's Misplaced Pages experience. No more crap about concentration camps or the like. Misplaced Pages isn't anything like Nazi Germany or South Africa during the Boer War. It's just a website which you're free to edit or not. BTW, I now withdraw my rejected offer to remove the topic ban and the log note on my own in exchange for a voluntary self-ban by you from Trump-related pages. It's a little dodgy to tamper with the log anyway, and I was going out on a limb for you — I'm done with that. Altogether, since I have already declined the appeal you made here on my page, I don't see that you have any further business here. Thank you. Bishonen | talk11:58, 13 January 2017 (UTC).
I do see that I have further business here and that is to offer you a cookie. I do not agree with you completely but I do see that you don't have the aggressive, bullying attitude that some administrators have.
Many administrators used to edit before getting their administrative power. Then they either edited as part of a secret plan to get administrative tools or became corrupt that they didn't feel they had to edit anymore. They then became bullies. Such description is a sizable chunk of administrators. Another chunk are those that are inactive. Yet another chunk are editors and do not do much administration. Only a few are calm ombudsmen that try to be the positive face of Misplaced Pages.
One part that could stand improvement is that you never explained your 1RR topic ban clearly. After your January 3rd message to me, you topic banned me on January 4th even though I edited once, I believe, not twice. And there was never any consideration that my suggestions held for over a week when I voluntarily stayed away from Misplaced Pages.
My foray into getting non-redundant prose was a compromise to Misplaced Pages warriors but they did not take it. I wrote that, for a moment, stop edit warring and just concentrate on good prose. I became the first to do that. Those who supported saying Donald was a politician should have taken that as a clue that they could get their way through good prose (bad prose would be one reason to eliminate the word politician). But in Misplaced Pages, it's becoming clear to me that compromise doesn't work, just gets you punished. Another problem with Misplaced Pages is that consensus is voluntary. Compromise should be a required part of consensus. That would be a significant change in Misplaced Pages. Should there be a WP:CompromiseIsRequired?
At times, you've shown that you have some great potential. Work on that and fight the bullies...and enjoy that cookie. I do plan to exit Misplaced Pages, at least for now and this week and maybe longer. We'll see. I just don't have the urge to fix those 2 non-political articles that I had planned. Usernamen1 (talk) 04:37, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
Oh... not for a cookie, surely, Boing. Considering I've already eaten it, I've unblocked. But now seriously don't come back here again, Usernamen1, no matter your errand, and don't discuss Donald Trump or the article or your topic ban again anywhere on Misplaced Pages, other than in the context of an appeal at WP:ARCA. (I really don't think such an appeal would be worth your or others' time, mind you, after admins at WP:AE have unanimously upheld the ban.) Bishonen | talk11:54, 14 January 2017 (UTC).
Well, if it had just been a cookie I wouldn't have blocked... but there was more about his topic ban and that bloody lede sentence argument again. Still, if you're happy to unblock, that's fine with me, but I think RexxS is right that you're too soft sometimes ;-) Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:04, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
measurements against User:207.251.43.98 because of this edit, in which my work on Indo-Aryan migration theory is being compared to Mein Kampf, and his related racistic remarks ("he presents the Western Academic (race-based) view"; "your main impression of being informed is to accept Western theory and negate indigenous theories");
and also for a warning for User:Crawford88, because of his response in which he calls the expected responses to pov-pushing "a shit-storm": "I encourage you to try and edit some pieces of this article.. and see for yourself how large a shit-storm it causes."
The IP is ranting against the present state of the article, insisting that it's incorrect, meanwhile arguing for an Indigenous view on the Indo-Aryans, which is evidently fringe, without presenting any sources, despite a request to do so. This way, the talkpage is not used to improve the article, but to rant against mainstream scholarship and the editors who try to present this scholarship to a larger audience, and consuiming their valuable volunteer time. And Crawford88 does nothing to stop this rant, but, on the contrary, seems to take sides with this IP. Enough of these rants by people who have no interest in scholarship or creating a reliable encyclopedia. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk!12:45, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm glad you came straight to me, JJ. Topic bans of IPs are rare, for obvious reasons, but this IP does seem to have been used by the same individual for a long time, so possibly a topic ban might be useful, if they should persist in personalising disputes in that way. Hopefully a strong warning might work. And a discretionary sanctions alert. Bishonen | talk14:42, 5 January 2017 (UTC).
Because topic bans are on people, not IP addresses, but we can never be sure what person is behind which IP address, since they can change. So practically, a topic ban on IPs is impossible to enforce consistently. 2600:1003:B002:A673:3A39:BAF8:7DF4:AFDA (talk) 16:40, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
I remember reading here about some tool to check range contribs but I don't remember when it was so I can't even find it. Can you point me in the right direction? cheers. —SpacemanSpiff04:29, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Here, for IPv4, SpacemanSpiff. You can check IPv6 too — the long forbidding-looking ones — those ranges are actually easier to contribs-check and block, once you get into it, but it takes a little preparation. First you have to enable or tick something in your prefs... looking... I've done it, but now I can't find it. @Johnuniq and RexxS: help! Where is it? What does Space need to tick? And one of you might as well tell him what to do next, too, if you will. I'm sure you'll explain it better than me. Space, it's really worth being able to identify and if necessary block those ranges, so don't give up. Bishonen | talk16:00, 6 January 2017 (UTC).
HELP!!!!!!Bishonen. I got hacked and now im being blamed for vandalisum . What should i do i have hpalready been blocked temporarily but I'm afraid it will happen again . Should I make a new user id? Wordsighn (talk) 14:50, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Hacked, Wordsighn? Do you mean you have let somebody else get access to your password, or to your phone/computer while logged in? I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe your account was actually "hacked". Secondly, how do you mean, you're being blamed for vandalism? I don't see any vandalism warnings on your talkpage, nor any block on your account. Where are you being blamed for vandalism? What account are you talking about? I can't see these things, you know. You have to tell me. And it sounds like you need to read WP:SOCK, too. You're not allowed to have more than one account. Bishonen | talk15:45, 6 January 2017 (UTC).
OK so I hit the "change it" button on the template for my user page hoping to fill it in when I saw this thing that said you received a message or something like that and it said that I'd I vandalize Misplaced Pages one more time I would be blocked and that a temporary block was on me that made me think that I was hacked . Wordsighn (talk) 21:06, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
No, sorry, Chère. Wordsighn has a template {{New user bar}} on his user page as a start point for editing. If Twinkle were enabled, I'd have guessed at an accidental click on the warning button on his own user page. Anyway, I'm happy that it's gone now. Perhaps we'll never know what the problem was. --RexxS (talk) 22:23, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
1) I have been trying to REMOVE the biased phrase "Roe protects a woman's right to an abortion before a fetus is viable, which anti-abortion activists contend is at the 20-week mark" without adding the other side's POV language. I have also included the widely used terminology "pro-life" and "pro-choice". This is obviously not biased as the language is balanced, unlike Neutrality's wording "pro-abortion rights" and "anti-abortion rights", which you can see is not balanced. I have also added a dispute tag so other users can contribute. Please withdraw the accusations that have been made against me. As you can see, I have been seeking neutral and unbiased language which is the exact opposite of pushing POV. Ontario Teacher BFA BEd (talk) 19:48, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Ontario Teacher BFA BEd, you have been topic banned for breaking the page restrictions at Political positions of Donald Trump by repeatedly reinserting your preferred version without consensus, despite being repeatedly warned about the rules. Apparently you didn't look up the explanation of what a "topic ban" is, although I urged you to, since you have already violated it with this edit. If you do that again, you will be blocked. I noticed you had some trouble with the formatting of your appeal at WP:AE — I certainly don't blame you, I hate templates — perhaps one of my talkpage watchers could help format it? (Don't worry about the lack of notification to me, it doesn't matter.) Bishonen | talk20:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC).
Well, just because I've done so many warnings for the first topic ban breach, I've made a principle of it, for fairness: whoever they are, they get one for free. (That is, iff I'm the first admin to see it, so don't count on it, mofos!) Doesn't really do any harm, does it? They don't get two! Bishonen | talk23:54, 6 January 2017 (UTC).
Bishonen, with this long overdue sanction User:Ontario has got off lightly, "abortion, broadly construed" is not broad enough. She has done substantial damage to electoral systems pages but, far from being shown the door (cf.RexxS ), it was her principle opponent (moi) who after sweating blood for six months decided to seek the exit; despite two ANIs, two DRNs, and some admin warnings on her talk page, admins would not block, not even for a day (apart from a 3RR block which I provoked just to see what would happen). RexxS is so right, a couple of judicious blocks of a day, a week, a month, then would have saved an enormous amount of editor time. All Ontario's electoral systems edits are partisan, all of them; sooner or later they are all going to have to be undone. The point also should be made that they are of a piece with Ontario's anti-abortion edits: the introduction of proportional representation in Canada would make an abortion ban impossible - that's the only reason Ontario is interested in electoral systems. But thanks at least for this ban. --BalCoder (talk) 10:50, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
BalCoder, I understand that a big problem has been that your ANI and DS filings haven't had much attention. That's how it sometimes goes on a volunteer website: the subject is pretty abstruse, and probably non-Canadians hesitate to dive into it (as do I). Therefore, I won't advise you to take it to ANI again. The best I can do is keep an eye on their edits going forward. Please don't hesitate to report to me if they should edit some subject that involves abortion in ways I might not realize. Bishonen | talk11:17, 9 January 2017 (UTC).
Hi, I was wondering if you can look at the contributions of Nishidani at Talk:United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_2334. One of my issues I have with him is that throughout his editing tenure here, he is extremely condescending to everyone. He pontificates, and throws out snide personal attacks. Is this a personal attack: "You've obviously never read a paragraph of anything he's written, not only because it would require more concentration that you seem capable of." And also calling someone "foggybrained," I know this may seem small, but it's basically with every interaction, and it's not just with me. Finally, I ask you to notify him that his user page violates WP:POLEMIC. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sir Joseph (talk • contribs) 20:54, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Sir Joseph. Please ask another admin, or maybe WP:AE if you prefer. Palestine-Israel is a highly contentious and contested area under discretionary sanctions — as arbcom said in 2008, it's a bitter and long-standing real-world conflict — and I'd rather not stick my ignorant nose into it. Bishonen | talk21:23, 6 January 2017 (UTC).
Thank you, it was more of the comments I posted right above that I was questioning. I'm not going to take him to AE just for that, but I did warn him to stop insulting others. Sir Joseph23:59, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
And he now responded to my warning with a post (in yiddish so people wouldn't notice), that "to write history, you need a head not an ass." Sir Joseph14:35, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I am not suggesting Nishidani is a saint or always correct, but you are totally misunderstaning him. Google confirms the obvious conclusion that the text written by Nishidani is a quote that would be well known to those who study in certain areas—that is why he wrote the text in the original. You may be right to think that nevertheless the text is inappropriate, but perhaps it would be better if those involved worked to reduce the level of misunderstanding. If such a simple post can be misinterpreted as "in yiddish so people wouldn't notice" what other meanings are being missed? Johnuniq (talk) 05:00, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
While I understand that, you need to realize it's coming after all the comments above, and this one that wasn't mentioned, "
"Okay- I'll dumb this conversation down even further to help you grasp the point." He has a habit of being condescending to all and it really needs to stop. Sir Joseph14:29, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Jehochman, thanks and I try, but he continues to attack, now he is also talking down to another editor for daring to disagree with him. He has also labeled my edits as abusive because I don't share his opinion. Talk:Sippenhaft#Connsistent_abuse_by_Sir_Joe, this has nothing to do with content/conflict of the IP area, this is a behavioral concern and I am upset that no admin is doing anything about it. That is all I'm asking for, I don't want to open an AE case when all that is needed is an admin warning him to stop his attacks. Sir Joseph18:07, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Bishonen, this really has to stop. Can you please do something about it? As the admin who blocked me for supposedly not listening or bludgeoning or whatever, Nishidani is doing the same thing. Bradv and I are constantly pointing out to Nishidani our concerns for why the Trump inclusion is not warranted, and I am pointing out to him that he can go to WP:DR or open an RFC, but he just keeps bludgeoning and reverting potentially BLP edits, which BTW violate ARBCOM sanctions, as a BLP and as a US Politics area. Sir Joseph17:34, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Sir Joseph, I advised you above to contact another admin, which I believe you did (Drmies), or a noticeboard such as WP:AE. I'm no longer sure AE is the best place, since it's a civility issue; maybe WP:ANI. You should consider which to use, if any. Anyway, I don't understand why you would come back here after what I said above about not wanting to get involved with the Israel-Palestine area, where I feel ignorant. Frankly, you're bludgeoning me. The way you put it this time ("As the admin who blocked me for supposedly not listening or bludgeoning or whatever") suggests you come here because you can't get over my block of you in May 2016. Note that that block had absolutely nothing to do with Israel-Palestine, compare . Please stop. Bishonen | talk21:50, 19 January 2017 (UTC).
Sorry you have to read that name again. I came across a user called BlackAmerican (will not ping for obvious reasons) whose editing style matches CAs. He mass produces articles, his grammar is similar, and uses bare links on a majority of those he starts. It is also telling that one of the userboxes is adjusted to say number 1, like CA did in the past. Should I take this to SPI?TheGracefulSlick (talk) 03:39, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
No, I don't think you should, TheGracefulSlick, since you ask me. I'd say more, but the subject is a little delicate, so I'd prefer to say it privately. But you don't have wikimail enabled — I could have sworn I advised you to get that some time ago? Oh well. I advise you to hold your horses while I make some private enquiries. Bishonen | talk17:07, 11 January 2017 (UTC).
My apologies, I registered an e-mail but never confirmed it. I fixed that so you can e-mail me now. If you have time, please inform me of the situation. I think it is rather obvious who this user is but I will wait as asked for now.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 21:23, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Also, if for whatever reason this account is not indef blocked for sockpuppetry (cannot think of one reason), I want to push for this account to be required to have articles reviewed before being placed in main space. As I survey the work, I can safely say CA on this account has learned nothing about notability, formatting, and overall quality. It is going to be another long clean-up.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 03:01, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) and I've asked him to remove it. I took a quick look at the history and there is no indication that there is disruption. It appears to me to be a content dispute and you are trying to protect the page to gain an upper hand. The IP is using sources, using the talk page, using the edit summary. In addition, if protection is warranted, it should be regular semi-protection not ECP protection. Not every article with the word Jew in it is ARBPIA protection material. Sir Joseph00:26, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
I reject this claim about me I have more sources to add to the article. I tried to work with the IP but he would not listen. I am willing to reach a compromise.Jonney2000 (talk) 14:11, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi Bishonen. I don't know if you are Japanese but I lived in Japan for years. I agree I have only had interest in creating and editing this article after I went to a retreat years ago which was really good and I wondered why I could only find negative things on the web about this teacher. I thought I could present a more balanced view of him and let people make their own minds. I also have interest in a very old sword art school but it is almost impossible to find any references to it and good luck getting access to old museum scrolls. At any rate, I have noticed certain individuals that have vehemently attacked the article over the years. Look at the history. As of writing this Richard Gooi has just undone all of the edits made the the Misplaced Pages Arbitration Committee editors within a day of their edits, cleverly crafting a negative picture. Misplaced Pages is to be impartial and balanced. Who said it was to be slanted negative. See for yourself. Thank you.Planktonium (talk) 17:29, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Hi, User:Planktonium, welcome to my page. Your approach to writing an article is at odds with the way Misplaced Pages is supposed to work. It's Misplaced Pages's job to reflect what reliable sources say, not to push for righting great wrongs. You don't get to express your own opinion by being more positive than the existing sources. When you say "I could only find negative things on the web about this teacher", you have really said that it's unavoidable for the article to be pretty negative too — if, indeed, we should have an article about John de Ruiter at all. It might be better not to, IMO. Of course, now that we have it, it must by no means be an attack page, or unfairly slanted, but I don't think it is at present. Bishonen | talk18:10, 18 January 2017 (UTC).
Socks of TTAC
Hello Bishonen.
I see that there have been at least half a dozen sock IDs and IPs of TTAAC blocked recently for vandalism, personal attacks and TBAN and block evasion. The master ID's block is going to expire next month. It seems clear this user has gone off the edge and that its block should be extended to indefinite. Is this something that's going to require another round at AE or SPI or if not, I suggest that the Admins deal with this promptly so that the community doesn't have to? Thanks.
SPECIFICOtalk15:03, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I have made private inquiries about a couple of new accounts (not IPs). If they do turn out to be TTAAC, or even one of them does, I guess it'll be time for an indefinite block. So, no, I don't think there's any need for AE or SPI, if you'll have a little patience. But thanks for keeping your eyes open. Bishonen | talk15:17, 19 January 2017 (UTC).
Edits using wikisources are not disruptive, nor are they invalid.
Aside from your baseless claim that User:Sitush knows a lot about these things, it does not matter when using a wikisource. I notice you've been banned a few times before, and I think adding page protection to remove reliable sources to protect your friend is a serious infraction.
This conduct is inexcusable, and it is hard to dispute that your previous behaviour a few months ago is harder to defend now that the edits follow protocol (and both of you are still acting like this).
Thank you. I have replied at ANI. Your reports there and here make me wonder if I should revive my old special noticeboard for clueless complaints about Sitush, which was intended to de-bloat AN and ANI of these things. I've deleted that noticeboard because I felt it got old, but you can get the flavour, as well as assistance in framing future complaints, from the Clueless Complaint Generator, a help page that I've kept for the historical interest. Bishonen | talk17:25, 22 January 2017 (UTC).
Afew years ago, I saw a comment directed at Drmies along the lines of "love the username Drmies" and didn't understand it. I thought that one day I might achieve enlightenment, but alas I am still a novice. Please help. Roxy the dog.bark18:03, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
Hiya, Roxy, I hope you didn't bait the fine bear which currently adorns my edit notice! "Drmies" is just "Dr Mies" afaik, Not sure what's to love about it. Now "Bishonen", that's a name of infinite grace! But now you've started it, perhaps somebody will come along and enlighten us both, grasshopper. Bishonen | talk18:12, 22 January 2017 (UTC).
I used to suppose it rhymed with "armies". It had a certain musicality, and you could riff off it, e.g., Please don't harm me, Drmies. Sigh. Reality is so boringly prosaic. RivertorchWATER20:57, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
WTF? Now I'm ordinary and boringly prosaic??? Bishonen, everything that goes through your talk page seems to get flattened into the kind of sad, grey, monotonous bleakness we know so well from realist Scandinavian fiction. If only The Lady Catherine de Burgh were around to bring grace and life to this odd conversation. Yes, Drmies does rhyme with "armies", as it rhymes with "ballet", "beauty", "butterfly", "butter", "bootyshake", "bodily", "beholden", and "Bishzilla", and that's just a few random b's--oh and I forgot Eric B. Drmies is "just" Dr. Mies--pshaw. That's almost like saying "grace is just not falling on your ass in the middle of a triple pirouette". Drmies (talk) 22:51, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
But you're not a pretty Japanese boy, are you, Dr Mies! Yes, it's always a privilege to see Lady Catherine on my page, but I'm not sure how often she logs in. Perhaps her nephew knows where to find her. Bishonen | talk23:26, 22 January 2017 (UTC).
What are the odds--I just sent Bishzilla an email containing revealing photographs of said nephew from some twenty-odd years ago, from that crazy dinner party. You might want to see if that hickey is visible in any of them. Drmies (talk) 23:34, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
I can assure you that there has never been any untoward behaviour by any of my family members at any dinner party hosted by myself. Such claims are phony news from sick people. I’m a very high profile person, I’m surrounded by bodyguards: it didn't happen it is fake news! I’m also very much of a germaphobe; In fact, many of closest friends are from Dusseldorf. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 15:52, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Hey pal. I'm having trouble with this user once again just like how I've had back in 2015 for Adelaide Productions.
Take a look:
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And the user did the same thing on the Sony Pictures template:
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I've told that user to look on those two links that I've provided two years ago and this user's behavior is getting out of control. The Bizapedia reference says that it's active and when I've looked under CorporationWiki's site, the site says that Adelaide Production is still active. I'm looking up more sites that'll say that it's still active. I'm having a discussion with that user under the Adelaide Productions talk page right now. Can you please do something about that user? King Shadeed 20:59, January 23, 2017 (UTC)
I don't understand where the information "Defunct June 23, 2014" (in the infobox) is supposed to come from; no source is given. I've asked a question on the talkpage. Bishonen | talk05:10, 24 January 2017 (UTC).
The user preferred not to reply to me, King Shadeed, but apparently got the point, as they edited the article to remove the insistence that Adelaide Productions is inactive. That's good. I've warned them about the namecalling. Bishonen | talk22:10, 25 January 2017 (UTC).
Thanks. I appreciate it. ] 14:09, January 30, 2017 (UTC)
Talk:John Peter Grant
If you or any of your stalkers are prepared to opine at Talk:John Peter Grant then it might be useful because I am coming to the boil there and likely to mis-speak. There was a spat there a couple of years ago and the same contributor has returned in the last few hours. The third party who got involved that time is, alas, no longer active. In fact, their involvement in that case appears to have been their last involvement with WP (hopefully, correlation ≠ causation ?!) - Sitush (talk) 11:07, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Poor Mrs Bishonen seems to have gone absent without leave. At her age it's hardly surprising if she goes wandering off; so I am here in her place. Now remember dear Sitush: "least said soonest mended" is always good advice and I'm sure that's what poor little Mrs Bishonen would say to you if she remembers who you are. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 18:37, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) To my reading of the remark, it was not Sitush on whom those aspersions were cast, but the WMF. This is presumably in reference to unspecified claims the site may make to represent the truth (as the poster sees it), or perhaps the “anyone can edit“ slogan, on the premise that donations are being solicited under a promise to fulfil them. So I wouldn’t take it personally.—Odysseus147907:20, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
The problem is, the guy is clueless and he's likely not going to change. He talks of WMF "subscriptions", he talks of personal knowledge of the Grant family, of deduction from primary sources etc. His writing lacks care, he misrepresents sources, he doesn't take on board stuff he is told (eg: WP:VNT was explained to him 2 years ago) and so on. I'm sorry but I don't cope well with people who have such a multitude of issues. - Sitush (talk) 07:27, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
Fear not! My 3rd husband (he may have been the 4th) was a High Court Judge so I am well versed with such matters, and it that is almost a legal threat so we need to ban the perpetrator. Lots of Admins keep an eye on this page and they will now go and ban him. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 19:18, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I've been out on the tiles. Sorry, @Sitush:, can't face it today — resting — maybe tomorrow. Not only admins but lots of other helpful users keep an eye on this page — hello, little talkpage stalkers! Bishonen | talk21:40, 25 January 2017 (UTC).
<Abashedly>Actually, that is all Lady Cat (Sorry if that's too familiar for M'lady; I'm a big GoT books fan and couldn't resist). I just happened to see the edit summary of the comment I replied to and got a little silly... To be fair (to myself), I took a look at it, but the history of colonialism in the Caribbean is just not my thing, and the content dispute at the heart requires some familiarity with the subject. MjolnirPantsTell me all about it.13:24, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
You forgot. little Tenor? And here I hoped thought you were incapacitated by the bomb in the box! Glad you enjoyed the basso of the great Bishzilla. But I wish it had struck me at the time that I might have used an explosion for the sound file (for the opening of the box). Bishonen | talk17:32, 26 January 2017 (UTC).
Well, that explains those mysterious, scary rumblings I kept hearing back in December. 'zilla was rehearsing, practicing Scottish rolled 'R's. RivertorchWATER21:34, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm being stalked? Oh, wait, it's not by a giant radioactive lizard, so that's OK.
Thanks for the note. I've looked at the edit history, and near as I can figure -- and I will admit I'm not up on the subtleties -- Nkansahrexford (talk·contribs) created this page, but did it in the sandbox of a different user, Iamjunie07 (talk·contribs), who moved it into mainspace . This seems odd, especially since the only communication I can find between them is a welcome message left by Nkansahrexford on Iamjunie07's talk page. Am I missing something? --Calton | Talk08:13, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
And now see also . But I think I, rather than you, am missing something; I didn't realize they had created it in another account's sandbox. That to me suggests they may be using multiple accounts. Bishonen | talk11:27, 27 January 2017 (UTC).
I'm really suprised "you know who" hasn't realised that he's never going to be unblocked and even though it's been over 1 year since he was blocked. He really needs to go spend his time doing more important things rather than just sit at a computer and leave messages which achieves nothing. Hope you're doing well Bish! Class455 (talk|stand clear of the doors!) 16:22, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
This page isn't semi protected. All you did was downgrade the move protection level, I assume by accident. Sro23 (talk) 16:29, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
Oops, I could have sworn... thank you, Sro23, fixed. Anyway, I hope you both enjoyed MONGO's very fine storm in the edit notice! I'm so glad I had the notion of having a switch (or whatever the term du jour is) for those photos. Bishonen | talk16:39, 28 January 2017 (UTC).
I've reverted and warned, and I'll issue an edit-warring block if they continue (if nobody from the noble Bish clan gets there first). I'd think a DS alert wouldn't go amiss if you choose to offer one, but I think I might hold off for now to avoid swamping their talk page after my warning and a COI one from Toddst1. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:51, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
I wonder if the account is related to Bikak R A, which added kind of clueless stuff to Bikak tribe and also its talkpage in December? Of course I understand the "Bikak" part of the name isn't distinguishing. Anyway, never mind, that one hasn't edited this year.
What do you guys think of PRODding Bikak tribe, @Sitush and Boing! said Zebedee:? What good is it? Shorn of the clueless additions, as currently, it's 17 words long and innocent of references, also a honeypot for additions referenced to (or I presume indeed lifted from) unreliable British Raj sources. Bishonen | talk17:55, 30 January 2017 (UTC).
I have been unable to find any reliable sources. There are a couple of passing mentions in gazetteers which may or may not be reprints of Raj stuff but that is all. - Sitush (talk) 18:26, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Not sure I understand your question, Wordsighn. Find what other users? If you know their name, you type User talk:X in the search field to go to X's talkpage, but I think you knew that. Please explain what users you're looking for — there are so many. (To find very new users, you can look here.) Bishonen | talk15:39, 31 January 2017 (UTC).
Hello. It seems that I have been topic banned from articles related to India. I would like to point that I mostly make minor edits and also create articles once in a while. I'm definitely not here to push any agenda and seeing this ban honestly makes me quite sad. Yes, arguments do occur and recently I haven't been taking the best methods to resolve them. You can check my talk archives and see some ones that have been successfully solved. Question: Does this topic ban affect articles in other languages as well, or is it just on the English Misplaced Pages? Thanks. Filpro (talk) 21:47, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
This only concerns the English Misplaced Pages; our discretionary sanctions and admin decisions here don't affect any other Misplaced Pages, or any other Wikimedia Foundation site. I don't agree that you mostly make minor edits; it looks to me like you mostly make reverts, and remove text. You have been edit warring very recently on several articles. That's emphatically not the best method for resolving arguments. As for your talkpage archives, if you mean your own user talkpage, it looks to me like you rarely reply there other than by removing the posts you receive. Here's your response to an IP user who attempted to discuss sourcing with you, with regard to the articles Languages with official status in India, Languages of India, and Names of India in its official languages, and to warn you about edit warring. You had been reverting a lot at those articles without, as far as I can see, ever responding to attempts to discuss on article talkpages. Look at this talkpage history, for example: the IP is all over it, and you're nowhere. That's just one example; indeed, I hardly ever see you on article talkpages. But you know you can appeal my ban at a noticeboard, right? See this information: you can appeal either on WP:AN, WP:AE, or WP:ARCA. The difference is that at AN, the community will evaluate your appeal; at AE, uninvolved admins will; and at ARCA, the arbitration committee will. AE is the most common, and probably the best, for these appeals. Bishonen | talk22:23, 31 January 2017 (UTC).
I can't speak to user:Filpro's violation of Wikietiquette etc, but it is clear to me that the IP is attempting to wreak mischief by making nonsensical claims. Hindi written in the Devanagari script is the official language of India, has always been, with English as a subsidiary, or associate, official language. So, the locked down page Languages with official status in India carries incorrect information, when it begins with the IP's version, "The Constitution of India designates the official languages of the Government of India as English, as well as Hindi written in the Devanagari script." Filpro's version is the more correct version, and has been the stable lead sentence in the article. This is an issue that was settled long ago on Talk:India. See Talk:India/Archive_12#Secondary_sources:, and see continuing discussion in archives 13 and 14. Filpro, might well have made tendentious edits on other pages, but here he is correct about the underlying content dispute. Fowler&fowler«Talk»00:07, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi F&f. Topic bans are not issued for being right or wrong on content but rather for a pattern of disruptive editing which includes edit warring, not participating in discussions, and, as in Filepro's actively avoiding discussion. In the case of the language article, you're probably right - since it's you, almost certainly right :) - and, if the current version is the wrong one then you should take it up with the protecting admin (Ferret) and ask them to revert the article back to the long term stable version (this one, I think). I'd do it but have edited that page in the past and am, consequently, involved. --regentspark (comment) 02:14, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
While I don't disagree wifh F&f on the lede in this case (I say that as one who has repeatedly used "subsidiary" for English on this and other articles), but, as I said earlier in response to Ugog Nizdast, neither are entirely right: with this edit he changed Union government to Republic, that isn't correct as the same constitution explicitly provides for English in the context of the courts and legal system as well as for individual states to adopt their own (subject to Presidential consent). That said, I don't believe the tban was based on this one instance, rather a pattern of disruption, as seen with many edits including this edit which hijacked the article to something against talk page consensus, and this which essentially furthers the same agenda as well as this which uses that new change in another article. Then, there's this which again goes against the consensus from a discussion he started, clearly refusing to accept any opinion to the contrary. There's also this behavior which is far too typical of their behavior so far, treating any disagreemnts, especially from IP editors like shit. Never participates in any discussions with anyone, just continues to edit war. A broken clock is also right twice a day, and this happens to be the case with the lede here. —SpacemanSpiff02:49, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
As I said, I'm not privy to user:Filpro's behavior; my point is that regardless of the words "Union" or "Republic," or the language of the High Courts, etc, the expression "Official language of India" has been interpreted by most sources, countries, and international organizations to be Hindi. English does not have equal status as an official language of India. It never has since the early 1950s, in the predominance of sources, that is. In other words, even
Thank you very much, Fowler&fowler and the rest of you. No, it wasn't the last straw, even if it was the most recent problem. Just cast your eye at the user's contributions — just the list — see how there's never any talkpage discussion. And compare this discussion, which is very enlightening, with many more diffs. Perhaps I should have given the user some more examples. Bishonen | talk12:01, 1 February 2017 (UTC).
@Fowler&fowler, SpacemanSpiff, and RegentsPark: In that case, I'll go ahead and make an edit request there to restore it to that version per above. The remaining changes can be made anytime later, at minimum, I'll just make it echo exactly how it's put in India since that's the most agreed-on. Will cite this discussion and Talk:India there. If everyone's probably having a discussion in some centralised article page regarding this matter in general, (cause I just watch that page that too because I rechecked some figures recently), link it there then as well. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:07, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
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I saw you deleted this as an expired PROD. Just curious why it was showing up that way. I'm prettt confident I just placed the tag today with Twinkle. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:52, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm curious too. Not sure if there was a technical glitch or a brainfart on my part, but the second is more likely, no doubt. I've restored the article. Thanks for keeping your eyes open, TonyBallioni! Bishonen | talk01:01, 4 February 2017 (UTC).
TheGracefulSlick and I are involved in an edit war on the talk page of the Garage rock article. He asked Ilovetopaint to propose a possible re-review of the article's current GA status. This is disruptive, because I was about to take the article to FAC. I've been trying to make changes that would satisfy everyone, so such a regressive step should be unnecessary. I think that his intention is to harm and disrupt. What can I do? Garagepunk66 (talk) 07:32, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi thank you very much for pointing me to the policy. please note that I didn't ignore you. We wont repeat it anymore. But do we do with the account that has been created? should the usernames be abandoned? Olaniyan Olushola (talk) 21:20, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm not sure, Olaniyan Olushola. I certainly don't want to block those accounts: the potential new users should not be bitten! If you can think of a simple way to give them new improved names and ask them to abandon the old ones, that might be best. But, you know, it might be better to leave it as it is — I don't think it's worth creating difficulties and bureacracy for them. They're brand new users (I assume), so they probably have enough trouble navigating our labyrinths without having to jump through extra hoops. I'll leave it to you to decide what's best to do. How's the editathon going? Thank you for arranging it. Bishonen | talk23:54, 8 February 2017 (UTC).
Ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Hindus. In this article sockmasters are using IPs for block evasion. As I expected RFPP request was declined. Maximum edits of the last 50 edits were made by socks.
Hi, Marvellous Spider-Man. Only one IP has edited the article (twice) in the past three weeks, so it's unsurprising the RFPP was declined. If you're posting here to ask me to semiprotect anyway, I'm sorry, I won't. If you think 2405:205:88:24af:94b:392a:7437:3f51 was used by one of the sockmasters you name, do you have an opinion of which one? It might be worth posting that IP to the relevant SPI. I know Checkusers won't connect IPs to accounts, but if the behavioral evidence is compelling, admins can block per WP:DUCK. @Kautilya3: I see you have been editing the article, do you have any opinion? Bishonen | talk11:08, 10 February 2017 (UTC).
Yes, the page is on my watch list. I don't see a lot of traffic on it. The topic is contentious. So occasional edit=warring is unavoidable. I will take a look. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 11:16, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
Are you dare to prove my article is purely promotional
You have deleted my article named 'Fathers of Missionaries of Mary Immaculate' . How are you saying that this article is not neutral? Can you give me valid reasons. Without any proper evidence you have deleted my article. Misplaced Pages is not a good place for emerging article writers. Because of you people, I have stopped to write articles. Having some worthless intentional causes you have done this atrocity. You will repent for it soon. Edson Frainlar (talk) 12:04, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
@Edson Frainlar: Yes, I dare. You have lifted most of the text from MMI's own site. Naturally, MMI are promotional and not neutral in talking about themselves. That's not a problem; but putting it into Misplaced Pages, which is supposed to consist of neutral articles, is a big problem. It's both a copyright violation (unless indeed you own the copyright to the MMI site,in which case you have a huge conflict of interest and shouldn't be creating articles about them at all) and results in the article reading like an advertisement. Compare:
From http://www.mmi-eap.com/our%20mission.html: "The world is our mission. Any culture and any country will be our missionary field. Our missionary thrust will be a living sign to encourage others to follow Jesus more intensely. Any service that helps human and spiritual development of persons will be a mission to us. Our Mission is not to provide fish but teach them how to fish. Our Mission as educators takes place in the education of youth in schools, colleges and Universities. As educators of faith, our mission take place in parishes,Rural areas."
From your article: "The world is their mission. Any culture and any country will be their missionary field. Their missionary thrust will be a living sign to encourage others to follow Jesus more intensely. Any service that helps human and spiritual development of persons will be a mission to them. Their Mission is not to provide fish but teach them how to fish. Their Mission as educators takes place in the education of youth in schools, colleges and Universities. As educators of faith, our mission take place in parishes,Rural areas."
You changed "our" to "their" but otherwise kept the text exactly the same. This is just one example, the article was full of them. So was the other article I deleted, Sisters of Daughters of Mary Immaculate and Collaborators. Please follow Samtar's advice above, and read our policy. Also, please stop harassing all the people who have been involved with you in any way, usually by trying to help and advise you, as you did here, here, here, and here (a whole dialogue, very aggressive on your side). Misplaced Pages is a place where people are supposed to be able to discuss articles without being attacked. Bishonen | talk16:41, 10 February 2017 (UTC).
please stop reverting my article what i write are facts and i have given appropriate source for it. sitesh is saying pedia press is not reliable many wikipedia pages use pedia press as a source check other wikipages for example please understand (akshaypillai 15:51, 11 February 2017 (UTC))
Please discuss this with Sitush, who is knowledgeable about sources in this field. I will block you if you continue to edit war. BTW, I see you have never edited your own talkpage — perhaps you haven't found it? It's here. Please read the posts on it right now. Bishonen | talk15:53, 11 February 2017 (UTC).
Possible IP range block
Hello Bishonen. I was hoping that you could impose a range block, as an IP seems to be continuing editing from a new IP (in the same range), after being blocked on their preview ones. They have been blocked respectively for 2 weeks (, block still ongoing), 31 hours (), and had warnings ( and ). I believe they are the same person as they seem to be in the same IP range, and have the same pattern of adding unsourced information about WWE events, in particular they seem to be adding the same fake reference to University of Phoenix Stadium about Wrestlemania 35 (, . , ). I ask you in particular, as you have imposed a range block on a similar IP in the past, who may be the same person: (), who also added a similar fake reference to that article: (). Thank you for your assistance. Silverfish (talk) 19:15, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Silverfish. The range I blocked here on 15 January, 2600:8800:4487:aa00::/64, had a lot of edits from different IPs right up to 15 January; but has had none since, obviously, as the range is still blocked.
The IPs you have linked me to are in the range 2600:8800:4481:5b00::/64. There is a kind of similarity, indeed, as the first two groups of digits are the same, but I'm kind of hoping it's not the same person despite the similarity in editing, because I can't block the huge range that both the /64 ranges belong to. (How huge? @Johnuniq and RexxS:. I'll block your recently active 2600:8800:4481:5b00::/64 for a couple of weeks and can only hope that will help. Thanks for alerting me. Bishonen | talk19:38, 12 February 2017 (UTC).
The allocations of IPV6 tend to be a complete nnnn:nnnn:nnnn:nnnn/64 range for an individual entity (person, firm, etc.), and it's quite possible for someone to be editing from 2600:8800:4487:aa00::/64 for some time and later on from 2600:8800:4481:5b00::/64 - it could even be home and work, for example, although both are allocated to Cox Communications Inc., US. You don't want to be blocking everything from 2600:8800:4481:: to 2600:8800:4487:: - that's potentially half a million people. --RexxS (talk) 20:08, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, John. Well, I just blocked 2600:8800:4481:5b00::/64 for a couple of weeks. I'd blocked 2600:8800:4487:aa00::/64 previously, for a month, nearly a month ago (that's probably the reason Silverfish came to me). That block will expire on Feb 15. I guess it is highly likely it's all one person, as the editing is similar. So I suppose 2600:8800:4487:aa00::/64 may well spring into action on Wednesday? That's worrying, but I can hardly re-block pre-emptively... or... nah. Silverfish, please let me know if you should see IPs from 2600:8800:4487:aa00::/64 making unsourced edits again. You can recognize them from the way they begin with "2600:8800:4487:aa00". Bishonen | talk02:52, 13 February 2017 (UTC).
Thanks for the block. I'll keep an eye out for similar edits on either range. I've activated the gadget to check contributions for ranges. To be clear, I wasn't suggesting a range block to cover both /64 ranges, I just mentioned the previous block for context to explain why I asked you, and in case it was relevant in deciding the block length. Silverfish (talk) 02:16, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
Mayorkun
Hello Bishonen, You deleted the Article Mayorkun due to an AFD discussion lead by only one censuses which was a Sockpuppet and a block user. When u wanted to create the article Mayorkun their was a coloured box which warnd me, If am here to create a different content about Mayorkun I should continue but if am here to create the same content I should contact an administrator. Actually I believe my content was different from previous deleted version. I believe the deletion page was by mistake because the vote came from a Sockpuppet. I was trying to explain this but it seems there's no Understanding, Please look at the AFD discussion and found out what am saying. Mayorkun passes its citeria mainly WP:GANG and WP:MUSICBIO. If an AFD was raised on this new version I will be prefer that because it bring good censuses this time around wiich I believe. Please I would like you to look at the AFD discussion which was a Sockpuppet. Looking forward to your advice regarding Mayorkun article, thanks.--Donald422 (talk) 23:34, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I seem to be merely giving you a runaround, Donald422, but the fact is I speedy deleted Mayorkun simply because it was a recreation of an article that had previously been deleted per a deletion discussion in November 2016 (this deletion discussion). That is one of our speedy deletion critera. Therefore, I'm afraid you'll have to take your concern to MBisanz, who originally deleted the article, and who closed the deletion discussion. He's the admin who took stock of the Keep/Delete arguments. Sorry about that, and I hope the can stops with him. Bishonen | talk00:42, 13 February 2017 (UTC).
Oh I see, I think that will be a nice idea, reporting to the admin who deleted the article as delete, thanks for your explanation, now I understand.--Donald422 (talk) 23:38, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
You've really had a string of bad luck, Donald422! I'm sorry. But I think MBisanz is reasonably active. He hasn't edited since you posted on his page, but as you can see from his contributions, he's generally around. Please give it another 24 hours. If he hasn't replied by then, I'll take care of it. Bishonen | talk21:05, 15 February 2017 (UTC).
ARBAP2
Hello Bishonen. Whatever your opinion, I think it would be helpful to all if you could comment at the AE case as to whether the reverts by Guccisamsclub (cited in my comment there) constitute violations of DS. This has come up repeatedly. Thanks. SPECIFICOtalk00:57, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi, SPECIFICO . I'm not sure. I was looking at it, but Sandstein has now closed the AE request. I suppose you might still be interested, especially considering Sandstein's closing comment — right? For instance, if you want to submit a request of your own. I can look some more if you like. I do understand these page remedies need some Kremlinology to interpret. Bishonen | talk15:27, 13 February 2017 (UTC).
Basically, I try to back off completely, except for citing policy, when these things get contentious. I'm afraid it would only encourage more retaliation against me. But regarding "longstanding", I do think there is a disconnect between highly motivated editors who are on the computer all day and interpret "challenged by revert" to mean "immediately reverted" vs. others who do not track every edit real time and who read articles on many topics somewhat less frequently, over a longer cycle. Oh well... SPECIFICOtalk15:35, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
To be fair, @SPECIFICO: it is hard for all of us to follow the stream of edits on pages like that, which is why I wrote in my comment at A/E that it would be inappropriate to sanction you. But I disagree that it is appropriate to conceive of those who disagree with you as a separate class of "highly motivated editors who are on the computer all day." If there was more genuine AGF going on, the contention would be more palatable, and that is certainly possible. -Darouet (talk) 16:43, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
As you may not have seen, Darouet, I've already addressed that concern on the article talk page immediately after another editor took it personally. My remark referred to no individual. I was commenting, as a social scientist IRL who tends to notice such things, about the demographics of the WP editing community. The disparity in connectedness and web-centricity in editors lives gives rise to a particular effect on articles such as American Politics. The larger problem on that particular article is that some editors deny basic WP principles such as BLP, WEIGHT, RS, V, NPA. I do not make personal comments. I do point out that this or that edit violates one of these principles. Often an editor will reply with a personal attack, a derisive reference to a policy link as "alphabet soup" or some other unproductive remark. Just sayin'... SPECIFICOtalk16:58, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
I agree that demographics are a major problem for Misplaced Pages. This includes the problem that you note about web-centric people, and the problem of ensuring that Misplaced Pages is a global (not primarily an American) encyclopedia. I also agree with you that policy links bombarded at fellow editors are obnoxious. -Darouet (talk) 17:08, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Not sure I follow you on the wikilinks. I was saying that the policy links must be followed and that editors should not misinterpret such citations as disruptive or personal remarks. SPECIFICOtalk23:58, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Ah, I see now what you're saying. I used to hate the spamming of links in a dispute - sometimes it can become wikilawyering - but I've come to see it as necessary sometimes too. It's difficult because if someone has been editing long enough to know all these policies, citing one won't make much of a difference. I like citing them much more at the Teahouse because there at least, people genuinely have no idea what you're talking about and learn something whenever you link a policy. -Darouet (talk) 16:59, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
New bird image
Rüppell's griffon vulture, known to fly higher than typical Lufthansa / United / British / SAS flights!!Secretary birds have beaks bigger than than their perfunctory name might suggest.
...but admin-vultures only eat the bits left after other admin-birds have made the kill. I thought you enjoyed the kill? (joke - please take in the light-hearted way it is intended). DrChrissy 17:34, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Nah, the kill is most often suicide-by-wiki. Admin vultures just clean up the carcass. I'm really sorry the owl has gone; no doubt 'Shonen thought it reminded her of me ("full of itself"). --RexxS (talk) 17:43, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Oh, I do enjoy it. I was actually inspired by this comment (not as light-hearted). But I'm not sure I'll leave it up very long. Hmm... maybe some dainty little critter next? Or a big squawky bird? You're good with birds, aren't you, @DrChrissy:? You got a suggestion? Bishonen | talk17:46, 13 February 2017 (UTC).
@Bish: this one may be meditating on something different. Vultures... typically harsh looking, but some are impressive. Such as the Rüppell's griffon vulture. Came across a few, some 10 years ago at Lake Nakuru National Park, northwest of Nairobi during one of the lovely stays in East Africa. Don't know why a griffon flies above 35,000 feet? Can it see targets from up there? Who knows!! A nice @MONGO pic today. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 17:52, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Bish - be aware that although the bish-secretary bird appears elegant, thoughtful and gentle, it kills wp-prey by stamping on them. You might end up with the name "Bish-Bash-Bosh" (UK humour which might not translate!) DrChrissy 18:40, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
There are several birds I can think of, but they all seem to have negative aspects you might not like to be associated with. You could try the Marabou stork which spreads its wings over its kill so that other editor-birds cannot see what they are doing - but the have the distasteful habit of excreting down their legs to keep cool. You could try the Jakana which learns to tread extremely carefully over floating editor-lilly pads - but they are often eaten alive by editor-crocodiles. My third suggestion is the Hornbill. Hornbills are known for their intelligence, long memory and fidelity - but they have the lovely habit of blocking their editor-mate into a nest hole in a tree and feeding them through a small gap.
Bish's alter egosBish-Marabou stork spreading wings over a killBish-Jakana treading carefullyBish-hornbillBish-hornbill feeding a victim
Hehehe, thanks for all the cool birds, little stalkers. Maybe I'll make a carousel of them, like the MONGO carousel in my edit notice. Or change the pic according to mood. Love the Jesus bird! Bishonen | talk20:32, 13 February 2017 (UTC).
Possible reptile
Closeup of the head and fore-quarters of the Bish-dragon
Bishonen, perhaps you are prepared to consider (in the same light-hearted manner) the admin-Komodo dragon. First of all, the "Bish-dragon" would be a wonderful name, but their best attributes are the way they deal with pesky editors prey. They have venom glands in their jaws, but the venom is very slow acting. So, Bish-dragon becomes an ambush predator by hiding in bushes, waiting until an unsuspecting editor deer walks past. Bish-dragon then sprints at their target with huge speed and nips the editor deer on the heel, thereby injecting venomous saliva into the editor deer. As I said, the venom is slow acting so the editor deer initially runs away, but Bish-dragon follows the scent trail, often drooling at the thought of the inevitable block meal. Bish-dragon slowly, but relentlessly, continues to follow the editor deer until it becomes incapacitated from the venom or infection from the bite wound. This might take several days, but Bish-dragon is unforgiving. When the correct moment comes, the victorious Bish-dragon pounces on the defenceless, now completely disoriented prey, making a block kill inevitable. ;-) DrChrissy 21:04, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
This aint no little dragon and you would need mighty pockets to keep one in - an average adult male weighs 79 to 91 kg (174 to 201 lb) and measures 2.59 m (8.5 ft). Oh, and another cute feature is they can breed by parthenogenesis, which means Bishzilla would not need a daddy Bishzilla for all those baby Bishzillas! DrChrissy 21:54, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
@DrChrissy:, she'd need mighty pockets, is it? I can only assume you have never visited Bishzilla's pocket, where the entire island of Komodo would fit quite comfortably. Here's the link again. Feel free to drop in! Baby Bishzillas...? ]. Bishonen | talk22:28, 13 February 2017 (UTC).
Oh... I see I forgot to actually place the block, Hemant banswal. Now I have, and I'm afraid the answer is no, you can't. Please get back to your talkpage, User talk:Hemant banswal, the only Misplaced Pages page you can now edit, and talk to for example User:McGeddon, who has taken so much trouble to reach out to you about your pictures. Depending on how that goes, I'll consider unblocking. Bishonen | talk21:31, 13 February 2017 (UTC).
You're both very sweet. Thank you. Hint to others: I like flowers, and incidentally chocolate I suppose, but I really like liqourice. HINT HINT. Bishonen | talk11:34, 14 February 2017 (UTC).
Article on Surprise Based Learning
Hint for 'Shonen
Hi Bishonen, I was posting an article about a new artificial intelligence learning approach called Surprise-Based Learning (SBL) when it was rudely deleted as advertising. I thought that Misplaced Pages was a 💕, so should it not be the first place anyone should read about a novel approach that rivals Deep Learning? SBL was a technique conceived by a Nobel Laureate and developed at the University of Southern California with many publications, and it must be linked under cognitive robotics, so would you be kind enough to undelete the page and allow me to finish it by adding the appropriate section titles, process figures, links and other things which adhere to Misplaced Pages standards. Thanks in advance.
(talk page stalker)Hi, SurpriseBasedLearning, and welcome to Misplaced Pages. I'm MjolnirPants and I'm one of the editors who watches Bishonen's talk page. Your username leads me to believe that you are a single-purpose account, and while there are no rules against that, you should be aware that other SPA's have caused problems for us in the past. With a name like yours, it also raises the possibility of a conflict of interest. This is another 'red flag' for experienced editors who do things like patrolling new pages. Without being able to read the page you mentioned, I can't tell you my opinion on whether it was overly promotional or not, but even if it wasn't, the combination of your username and an article about a brand new field in computer sciences is bound to raise a few eyebrows.
So let me give you a few tips, if you want to be able to contribute an article. I'll start by answering your question:
"I thought that Misplaced Pages was a 💕, so should it not be the first place anyone should read about a novel approach that rivals Deep Learning?"
In a word; no. Misplaced Pages does not publish novel research or ground-breaking discoveries. In order to provide information which is accurate and verifiable, we generally wait until new lines of research are well established before writing about them. This allows us to find reliable, secondary sources on which to base our articles. This way, we can write about more than the technical aspects of such fields, including how they impact the wider world.
My next tip (okay, my first real tip) is that you should always sign talkpage edits with four tildes (~~~~) so we know who's talking.
Next, I would advise you to read through some of our core policies and guidelines. You can find these at The 5 Pillars of Misplaced Pages and Misplaced Pages Policies and Guidelines. These will really help you to get a handle on how things are done around here, and what we look for in a new article.
Finally, I would invite you to check out our Talk page guidelines for some more in-depth information on how formatting and etiquette on talk pages is handled. You'd be surprised at how much easier it is to get on here when you know exactly how people expect you to communicate.
As a parting note, I'd like to add that the title of this subject has left me haunted by the mental image of Samuel L Jackson leaping out of my closet to smack me in the face with a math textbook and scream "Calculus, motherfucker! Can you do it now??" so thanks for that. I hope I've been able to help and I wish you happy editing. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᛁᚱPantsTell me all about it.05:04, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
What MjolnirPants said. Thank you very much for assisting the new user, ᛗᛁᛟᛚᛁᚱPants. It's very common that people don't know exactly what Misplaced Pages is for, and only natural that they may think it's for sharing new discoveries with the world, though that's not so. User:SurpriseBasedLearning, please see also Misplaced Pages:Alternative outlets. I didn't actually delete an article, but your userpage, and I never mentioned advertising — I don't even think your page was advertising. I gave the reason "Misuse of Misplaced Pages as a web host", as you can see here, and I believe it was that. Please see WP:USER for the purpose of userpages; in a word, you shouldn't try to write articles on them. Bishonen | talk11:28, 14 February 2017 (UTC).
(talk page stalker) You don't need to do anything, Jim1138. That's probably a member of staff informing anyone who is contemplating a block that it's a school, and that a soft block would be preferable to avoid disrupting registered editors who might edit via the school's IP. The IP is a registered proxy server in Conwy belonging to "Welsh Assembly Government". Admins should normally hard-block open proxies, but may confuse the two. The school is almost certainly not asking for a block. Hope that helps. --RexxS (talk) 11:29, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Oh, you think that's what they meant, RexxS? I read it differently, and was about to recommend ANI so more admins could enjoy and opine on such an unusual block request. But you're probably right. What you could do, Jim1138, is make the request more visible — you know, bold it, put it at the top, state that it's a request coming from this IP. Because in the usual course of things, with another warning or two, their little note will soon be pretty much invisible. Bishonen | talk11:35, 15 February 2017 (UTC).
Well, you could be right that they want to be blocked so that the staff don't have to worry about their kids causing vandalism. But looking at the contributions, it's 50-50 between useful edits and writing "poo" into articles, so we ought not to be pre-emptively blocking, IMHO. I've dropped a little template on the IP's talk page that should help to educate the users and warn any admins who may block in future. --RexxS (talk) 11:49, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
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Are you available to do some revdels over on Donald Trump talk? I'd give you diffs but that just generates more revdels. Very recent, in the health section on talk. Thanks. Have already been revdel'd from the main article. SW3 5DL (talk) 21:22, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Don't worry, I've deleted them. Some very odd editing from Fred Bauder. Worrying when we can't trust former Arbs to follow basic policy... WJBscribe(talk)21:45, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on User talk:Ethanbas. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. You should probably avoid threatening editors with bans, Bishonen. Don't abuse your administrator privileges. Ethanbas02:10, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
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That's what I was thinking and not only in geographic templates even in music and biographic related templates too. I have replaced that symbol on few stub templates and still doing on others. I have not yet requested G2 on the first one but there are some more which fall under G2 so am working on those at the moment. GSS (talk|c|em) 12:22, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
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Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on User talk:Ethanbas. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. You should probably avoid threatening editors with bans, Bishonen. Don't abuse your administrator privileges. Ethanbas 02:10, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
