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User:Lilza35

This smells really fishy to me. Although the user removed the tag later, I still really don't feel good about the user. Stikkyy (talk) (contributions) 17:54, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Nevermind, already blocked. Stikkyy (talk) (contributions) 19:40, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, reporting things to me directly is unlikely to result in a timely response for a while. Glad to see it got dealt with. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:47, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – March 2017

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2017).

Administrator changes

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• A recent RfC has redefined how articles on schools are evaluated at AfD. Specifically, secondary schools are not presumed to be notable simply because they exist.
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• Defender, HakanIST, Matiia and Sjoerddebruin are our newest stewards, following the 2017 steward elections.
• The 2017 appointees for the Ombudsman commission are Góngora, Krd, Lankiveil, Richwales and Vogone. They will serve for approximately 1 year.

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Please explain this and this. This notice serves as a warning about personal attacks. El_C 23:53, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Floq, mind WP:BAIT. TRM is pretty good at yanking people's chain; don't give him the pleasure of responding. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 01:19, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi SBHB, you're being a much better admin than El C. Noted, thanks, and you're right of course, I'm well aware of that, but am occasionally imperfect. (Parenthetically, always glad when I see you still poking around here occasionally. We don't really deserve you. Just went out to dinner with Mrs. Floquenbeam, no kids, and had an interesting Kentucky Bourbon English Ale. In a much better mood. Hope you and yours are well.) --Floquenbeam (talk) 03:21, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

OFF TOPIC: Floquenbeam, the first half of that drink sounds god-awful(I prefer single malt scotch), whereas the second half sounds pretty good. --Kansas Bear (talk) 08:11, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I'll take that slight, and counter with: you can't speak to other users this way and simply go about your business. If that position makes me unpopular, so be it. El_C 03:24, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh, it saddens me when two nice boys don't get along. Floq, El C is a decent admin. He didn't go about this in quite the way I would have but then not everyone has my boundless wisdom, personal charm and animal magnetism. El C, Floq has admitted that he slipped up. No need to keep making the point. Now let's all go have one of those Kentucky Bourbon English Ales. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:55, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh, it's not that much of a slight; you can be a worse admin than SBHB would be (if he was an admin) and still theoretically be in the top 10%. --Floquenbeam (talk) 04:11, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I won't comment on the rest of this, but I find this especially disappointing coming from a functionary. --Rschen7754 21:56, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

"Functionary" has always struck me as a stupid, embarrassing title. I'm not a "functionary", I can oversight stuff. But anyway, if people who can oversight stuff are not allowed to get pissed off at months of continuing snark, and you'd like me to no longer be one, tell someone I respect to suggest I resign, and I will. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:00, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

"For most of us, being described as a functionary wouldn't be a compliment. The word refers especially to a person of lower rank, with little or no authority, who must carry out someone else's orders. Bureaucrat is often a synonym. However, functionary can also refer to the world beyond government and offices; a character in a play, for example, could be called a functionary if it was obvious that her sole function was to keep the plot moving." (Merriam-Webster) --Bbb23 (talk) 22:22, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

It is not exactly reassuring to folks to see gross incivility from someone who has access to oversighted and highly sensitive information. I don't want you to resign, but you need to dial it back a bit. FWIW, I have voiced similar concerns about other CU/OS/stewards who have done similar things (including on this wiki) and I would do so again. --Rschen7754 22:12, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Rschen7754 I think he gets the message, maybe time to stop winding him up - after all, you're not TRM, Floquenbeam don't let yourself get baited again. DuncanHill (talk) 22:15, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I hope Flo gets the message. I respect him, but I must note a non-admin would likely be blocked for those edits. Jonathunder (talk) 01:54, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Is this TRM's tagteam turning up? Has Floq repeated the behaviour since Boris advised him to mind WP:BAIT? Have any of the admins piling in paid any attention to WP:BAIT? DuncanHill (talk) 02:01, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

My hope is that admins apply warnings for personal attacks, unless they're especially egregious. That's certainly my modus operandi. When this fails to happen, it's noticeable. A block in this case would have been excessive and an escalation, regardless of user-rights. El_C 02:18, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't think I have the words to reflect the disappointment I felt on reading this thread. I disagree with those above as to who was doing the baiting. I have always respected your work on this project, but baiting a sanctioned editor into potentially breaching the terms of their ArbCom restrictions is beyond the pail, and it's what I see in that thread. I gather there is history between you and TRM that would provide context to this rather uncharacteristic behavior from you, but that only reinforces my concern as to why you got into an argument with TRM on WP:ERRORS in the first place. Might I suggest if you have trouble holding your cool in discussions with TRM that you simply avoid him? Others can respond to his posts on WP:ERRORS. WJBscribe (talk) 12:45, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

The problem is that TRM's behavior at WP:ERRORS is such that no one is going to be left to respond to his posts. I, for one, felt like I was being treated like a servant and being told that I had to jump to do whatever he thought necessary. While I'm very willing to help out, and I certainly don't expect to be fawned over when I do something, I don't expect to feel like I'm being ordered to do things. So, I just don't help out there nearly as much as I thought I would when I ran for adminship. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:11, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

• I suppose getting multiple versions of this kind of public lecture is my penance for momentarily losing my cool. So please, by all means keep them coming, they are all really improving the situation and helping me to become a much better person. --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:14, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Floqué d'Arc, eh... ;) — O Fortuna! 15:25, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

As I said above, I do respect you. You are a valued editor and member of the community. If this is chastisement, please consider it as well-intentioned. Jonathunder (talk) 15:30, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

• "Fuck you" isn't a personal attack, and people who say it is (not so much on this page, where the standard seems to be a little higher, but on multiple other pages) might benefit from reading WP:NPA. Is it a derogatory comment to or about a person? Is there anything personal about it at all? "Fuck you" is a way to push somebody away, maybe even a way of telling them you don't like them. Though I would argue it's at most a way of saying you're not liking them at that moment. It's rude, and is a "profanity" (in that strange modern usage of "profane" that doesn't have anything to do with religion and that I was very surprised to learn about (from Misplaced Pages) — sex is sacred now? What the fuck?) It's not something Newyorkbrad would say. But a personal attack, absolutely not. Bishonen | talk 17:38, 6 March 2017 (UTC).

• @Bish, "Profane" in this sense (" irreverent, blasphemous, impious, ribald, coarse, indecent") is attested as a common usage for well over 400 years (Ȝor prettikes ar profane, Puir ladeis to supplant, Alexander Scott, 1568 is the earliest confirmed use of this meaning—albeit in Scotland—with Richard Braithwait's So should our prophane Pamphleteers restraine their libidinous writings more in 1614 the earliest confirmed use in England itself.) I think we can allow that this meaning has had enough time for anyone who disapproves to raise objections. ‑ Iridescent 18:01, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

• Well, I disapprove, Iridescent, perhaps because I'm from a country where cursing is profane, in the sense of based on religion. I know usage is king, but IMO you guys might at least take a shot at saying "libidinous" instead. You might like it. Bishonen | talk 18:12, 6 March 2017 (UTC).

Don't sweat it Floq, anyone who's spent any serious amount of time editing here will have bad days, and while I don't think I have told anyone directly to fuck off, I have come very close, up to and including of hitting "Show preview" showing me replying to a comment with "Fuck off" + signature and hovering the mouse over the "Save changes" button while wondering of the consequences of clicking it. I'm glad Beeblebrox wrote that essay, the most important part of which (IMHO) is "don't do this, it's not worth the hassle". (PS: I lied, though that's not directly telling a specific person to fuck off, and I did apologise) Ritchie333 17:44, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

• You didn't "momentarily" lose your cool, you carried out obviously premeditated actions to bait an ArbCom sanctioned editor into breaching their restrictions. That is completely unacceptable behavior for anyone on this site, let alone an administrator. Consider yourself admonished in lieu of a block by a consensus of uninvolved administrators. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 18:32, 6 March 2017 (UTC)