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AE sanction

Is my sanction indefinite? Mr Ernie (talk) 19:54, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes.  Sandstein  19:54, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Please explain to me how an indefinite sanction is warranted based on my comments in that particular AE request, so that I may avoid such actions in the future. I had apologized for my comments, and struck another comment that I deemed inappropriate. I would request that you please place a 1 year duration for the sanction. Mr Ernie (talk) 19:59, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Feel free to appeal it after whatever you think is an appropriate time, and provide examples of useful AE comments you would have made if you had been able to. Because sanctions are preventative, not punitive, I don't particularly like time-limited sanctions.  Sandstein  20:11, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

You want me to write hypothetical AE comments for my appeal process? If you will place an expiration time of 1 year or something, I will voluntarily withdraw from AE on the whole, indefinitely. I do not like having an indefinite sanction hovering over my account. In my 10 years of editing, your administrative action is one of the most offensive things I've had happen to me. Per WP:ADMINACCT, please take my comment seriously and with good faith. Mr Ernie (talk) 20:23, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

No, I mean, at the time you decide to appeal the sanction, point to ongoing AE threads and say, "if I could, I would write X, Y and Z, and that would help admins decide what to do with the request". Bonus points if it is not in support of an editor whose opinions you share. – Generally speaking, I am profoundly disinterested in your feelings; I am only interested in an AE board that does not make me waste my time. As your comments have so far.  Sandstein  20:32, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Again, per WP:ADMINACCT your flippant responses are in fact having quite the demoralizing affect on me. I have asked for good faith explanations as to why the sanction was indefinite, and for an enactment of an expiration date so I do not have to participate in the appeal process. I do not want to participate any longer in AE, yet instructions you gave me for a potential appeal include a hypothetical participation in AE. So, per the law of holes and WP:STICK, this will be my final comment to you. Please take it seriously and provide a substantive response. Mr Ernie (talk) 20:44, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If you don't want to participate in AE, then why do you care? TimothyJosephWood 20:54, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

That's a valid point, and I addressed it above. I don't want an indefinite sanction hanging on to my account. I've seen such sanctions and block logs used against editors in content spats. Mr Ernie (talk) 20:57, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I mean, it is a powerful debuff...makes it nearly impossible to roll crits. TimothyJosephWood 21:03, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry I don't understand that reference. Sandstein am I allowed to open new requests for arbitration enforcement, like to file an appeal for example? The sanction you wrote does not say so, but the appeal process you linked does. Mr Ernie (talk) 22:24, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, you may appeal your sanction at any time.  Sandstein  22:31, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

User behavior

Hi, I don't necessarily want to open an AE action, but I am getting sick and tired of being treated uncivilly and getting called names by Nishidani. If you look at User:Sir_Joseph/sandbox, I was working on an AE action, but if someone can tell Nishidani that he needs to cool his behavior, I'd be OK with that. There have been many times where he has used the edit summaries to attack, and he has also many times called those he disagreed with names. I know he violated 1RR but it's the behavior that upsets me more. thanks. Sir Joseph 21:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, admins aren't the user conduct police. I recommend that you use the procedures described at WP:DR to resolve disagreements.  Sandstein  21:17, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

OK, but I don't understand how admins are not the user conduct police, they are exactly that. If I bring this case to AE, it's an open and shut case of violating DS and casting aspersions, which could theoretically result in a block. I don't necessarily want a block for him, just a warning issued. Isn't that better than doing the whole bureaucratic process? Sir Joseph 21:27, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

If you want AE action, please make a request for it at WP:AE. This ensures we have all the evidence we need and an opportunity to respond.  Sandstein  06:16, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

"BDs are not cartoons"

Do you have any idea what you're talking about when you say this? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:08, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

And the point of this rhetorical question is?  Sandstein  10:42, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

You really do have no clue what you're talking about. Neither comics nor BD (which are comics) are "cartoons". Cartooning is a method of making comics; photography is another, as in fumetti. A person who makes cartoons is a cartoonist. A "comics writer" is a person who produces scripts for an artist or team of artists to illustrate in Marvel- and DC-style assembly-line comic books. The terms rarely apply outside of that context. It certainly doesn't apply to Florence Cestac. Please revert and leave these things to those of us who know what we're talking about. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:52, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

@Curly Turkey: I've opened a discussion about this at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Comics#Describing bande dessinée writers and artists in leads. Please join it, and please also remember that you should comment about content, not contributors, or you may be made subject to sanctions.  Sandstein  10:55, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Couldn't resist a threat, could you? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

And you can't resist continuing to comment about contributors rather than content?  Sandstein  11:02, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Your behaviour is the problem, not content. You've ignored what I've told you and continued to revert me—the article's still at your "preferred version". Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:07, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

It might surprise you, but not every person who disagrees with you is, for this reason alone, behaving wrongly...  Sandstein  11:11, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

It might surpise you, but not everyone who disagrees with me starts an edit war and threatens sanctions. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:18, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Requesting a deleted page be reinstated

Hi,

The Red Tyger Church[REDACTED] page was deleted on February 2nd, 2017. I was written about it on January 18th, and I wrote back Rogermx but did not hear back, and am only just now getting back to this. I think the page was deleted due to not having enough sources to prove it is a legitimate article. I have more sources, which I noted in my email to Rogermx, but did not know how soon I needed to add that info in. Could you let me know if it is possible to reinstate a deleted page, so that I can apply my edits, after which the page could be reviewed again?

The message I sent to Rogermx:

"Hi, I think I can make changes to the Red Tyger Church article in order to help bring it into compliance with Misplaced Pages's band page standards as listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Notability_(music)#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles. How long do I have to make these corrections before the page is taken down?

For example, here's a listing of one of their albums which was produced by Alive records on Discogs: https://www.discogs.com/artist/1812594-Red-Tyger-Church

And here is a review of that album by Modern Fix: http://www.modernfix.com/reviews/cdtheredtygerchurch/

And another by News Review: https://www.newsreview.com/sacramento/magic-realism-sacramentos-red-tyger/content?oid=1003641

Please let me know when I need to apply these updates and any others to the page on Misplaced Pages before it is taken down, so that it won't be taken down.

Best, Monica Diaz"

Please let me know what you decide. I would be very grateful if this page is reinstated so that I can improve it and make it more legitimate. At the very least, if it is not allowed to be reinstated, could I be provided with an export of the article, so that I can avoid losing the work as a whole? Thank you!

Keleosmaisie (talk) 06:05, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi, based on these sources you can recreate The Red Tyger Church as a new article. You can then request the restoration of the previous versions at WP:UND if the article is not renominated for deletion.  Sandstein  06:45, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

TRM

As much as I've been on the receiving end of his comments, I am not sure that this level of harsh punishment is the most constructive solution. Nergaal (talk) 22:36, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Sanctions are not punitive, but preventative. They are intended to prevent the conduct that the Arbitration Committee prohibited from reoccurring. The block will do that.  Sandstein  22:38, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Sure, but 1 month seems unnecessary. Nergaal (talk) 23:04, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

I have a different view. I have commented about this issue on the AE talk page and do not intend to comment about it further.  Sandstein  23:10, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh I was going to leave a comment but I noticed you blocked his page from editing. Is that even allowed? Nergaal (talk) 23:11, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

It is allowed. See this clause of the Arbcom decision. EdJohnston (talk) 23:49, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

• I will be so bold as to support the block. Seeing as only a few weeks earlier I had asked for this sanction for TRM's abuse, was denied and even threatened by a non-admin with a boomerang, I now feel vindicated, especially after TRM's subsequent snarky grave dancing at my Talk page banning me from his Talk page, though I was required to issue him a notification. At the point in time of TRM's post, I decided any further statement in my own defense was futile and possibly dangerous. Now TRM is blocked from the very page he banned me from, which I find ironic. The main point I want to make is this: it seems clear to me that emboldened by the lack of sanctions a few weeks ago, TRM decided he could go back to his openly abusive mannerisms. I'd like to suggest a topic ban from the WP:ITN area, since he has repeatedly shown he is unable to edit constructively there without conduct the community sooner or later has to sanction. Thanks again. Jusdafax 07:39, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

• Jusdafax, I have no authority to impose a topic ban in this topic area. Such requests should be made to the Arbitration Committee or to the community.  Sandstein  17:40, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

• Fair enough, thanks. As you are aware, discussion is now taking place on multiple pages regarding a number of points raised by the TRM block, so I'm going to refrain from requesting a topic ban at this time. Jusdafax 17:53, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Administrator's noticeboard

Your recent actions at Arbitration Enforcement are under discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard #TRM. --RexxS (talk) 09:22, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

Your enforcement action is under review

Your AE action has been formally appealed by The Rambling Man (talk · contribs). You may find the relevant discussion and make your required statement here. Thank you. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 19:29, 6 March 2017 (UTC)