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Mumbai edits

Hi! Please could you cite credible sources to your recent edits to the Mumbai page. you can reference it from a credible website or a published book (with ISBN). =Nichalp «Talk»= 15:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, through the Mumbai article most likely. P.S. use 4 tildes ~~~~ instead of 2 ~~ to sign your posts. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Most published books have ISBN numbers. When adding the references please include the book title, page number/s, author, publisher and ISBN. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Hi Raajiv, I left the following message on the talk-page of (what I presume is) your Anon IP. I don't suppose you have seen it, and hence I forward the same to you. In your Welcome message above, I have also added links to pages that will guide you on Misplaced Pages policies and on WP:NPOV. I look forward to your constructive contributions. Regards, ImpuMozhi 18:18, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Message on yout IP talk-page
Hi, I understand your feelings. Please do not feel bad -- Misplaced Pages is about the whole truth, and we do not take sides. It would be unnatural if, in the border areas, people speaking both languages did not abide. Naturally there are Kannada people in Akkalkot and Marathi people on the other side. Even the Maharashtra government website says that lot of Kannada people live in Solapur district. So what? It is natural.

It is also natural that some nuts on both sides will want to take territory from the other side. These ravings are lamentable, but since they exist, they should be documented on Misplaced Pages. These people do not seem to realize that cultural borders cannot be demarcated easily and that the interaction of cultures is what makes for richness in culture. If you hail from the M-K border area, you would probably speak both languages, although Marathi would be your mother-tongue. Especially in the M-K border area, people feel very proud of the sheer cultural richness of the area. How to separate Purandaradasa from Vitthala? Are not the Deshasta brahmins followers of Madhavacharya? It goes on and on.

On another note, let me welcome you to Misplaced Pages. You may wish to register as a member. Regards, ImpuMozhi 17:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

English etc.

Don't worry about the English. That is the least important thing here, because someone else will correct any mistakes. It is more important to get content here. Because this is the English Misplaced Pages a lot of information that is available in other languages is underrepresented. It will be great work if you start filling in these gaps by, say, updating the article on the Samyukta Maharashtra movement by filling in information from other sources. Just mention those sources in the reference section, even if you can't find ISBN numbers. Just the names of the books will do - others may be able to find the ISBN numbers by searching for them. Also, I wonder - does the Marathi Misplaced Pages have anything about the movement? if so, then translating from there to here will also be a lot of help.

About the paragraph in the Mumbai article, I just rewrote it to be city centric, rather than movement centric. - To give a movie analogy it is not the length of the scene, but a different camera angle to the scene. From the city's point of view, the significance of the movement was that some important event took place near an important landmark, and that the city became the capital of a new state. So I wrote from that point of view. — Ravikiran 08:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

P.S. BTW- I am making a serious offer - If you do the research, I will work with you and we can togethre make a real good article on the Movement. — Ravikiran 08:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

reverts on Mahajan commission report

I am not writing this note to get into a protracted war of words with you. But I suggest you please grow up and stop calling the Mahajan commission report biased just because it went against Maharashtra. You sound like a school boy who has lost a game of cricket and is complainig about bad umpiring. The commission was set up at the insistance of Maharashtra. Over the months that I have been monitoring this article, I have come away with the opinion that you guys are naive and brainwashed. What exactly do you mean by biased. Did the Karnataka govt. bribe MehrChand Mahajan?, or do you think the central govt. has something against Maharashtra that they appointed a biased Supreme court judge?.

Grow Up and learn to take life with a pinch of salt. You loose some, you gain some.

Dinesh Kannambadi

DO NOT DELETE OFFICIAL WARNINGS FROM YOUR TALK PAGE

Stop deleting warnings for vandalism from your talk page. Sarvagnya 08:34, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

AMA request

On Belgaum and Belgaum_district Karnataka wikipedians are constructing the language of 'Border problem' in a defamatory and biased way agaisnt Maharashtra state.The citations provided are either misinterpreted or bluntly anti-Maharashtra.The citations are of a Karnataka based newpaper which only dispalys their 'version of truth.'A NPOV is needed to be implemented. Maharashtra state is being shown as arrogant and guilty and the account of the 'dispute' is explicitly pro-kannadi.i request concerned authorities to help out.

(mahawiki 09:19, 28 August 2006 (UTC))

WP:3RR

You have been involved in an editing dispute. Please take a look at WP:3RR. I could count atleast 10 places where you have crossed the limit. Please stop, take a deep breath and listen to what I have to say here. I hope you follow my suggestions. You are very very close to getting blocked. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 18:56, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Belgaum

Hi. I have made a few changes in the article Belgaum. See this. I have kept the use of Belgaum as a name as Belgaum is the more popular name used by the people and more importantly the media (as it is verifiable). I could not fathom what you people were fighting about. Please do not remove any citations from the text. Make changes to cited text only after discussion on the talk page. Do not revert each other again for 1-2 days on any article. I do not have time to make chages to the Belgaum district article but you could copy-paste the "Border Problem" section for now. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:36, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

You asked how I came to the dispute. Take a look at WT:INWNB. A note was left there by User:Sarvagnya. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

You are right. I shall try to tone that sentence down and add a reference too. And no need to call me "Sir" (it is sir though, not madam :))- Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I am aware that Deccan Herald is a Kannada news paper. But that is being used to only cite facts like the outcome of the Mahajan report (which cannot change whoever publishes it) and the summoning of the CMs by sonia gandhi. There is no way in which the DH is biased in atleast these 2 sentences. There may be other biased sentences in the news articles, but are not used in the article. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:51, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I will do so myself. Hope you don't edit-war further. Regards - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:57, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I have dealt with the issue even before you posted on my talk page. I have all pages concerned on my watch list. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 20:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Final say in the matter

I am not going to reply to anyone now. I would appreciate if both of you stop bickering on my talk page. I am very much aware which versions were being fought. I do not consider any edits involved to be vandalism. What you both did was worse than vandalism. I will only reply to messages on the talk pages of the respective articles. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 20:39, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Please Note

• The word 'unconfirmed' was added by user:AreJay !! Not by me! I only added information about "four member committee" with proper citations and also added a few more external links. If you are new to wikipedia take your time to go through the histories with a calm mind and also read up on how things work on wikipedia. Wp is not the place for your jingoism. Sarvagnya 08:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• the word 'unconfirmed' was used because maharashtra's assertion that there were more marathis than kannadigas in belgaum is not supported by any official census reports. If you find any census reports or any WP:Notable and WP:Verifiable source that establishes that marathis outnumbered kannadigas in 1967, please cite it. If you cant, take your troll someplace else. Infact the word "unconfirmed" should be replaced with "false". Sarvagnya 08:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• And your repeated use of the word "Kannadi" is ceasing to be funny anymore. Just so you dont plead ignorance, people who speak Kannada are called Kannadigas just like people who speak Marathi are called Marathas or Marathis and not Mara-chee or Mara-Thoo. Sarvagnya 08:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• I am not editing this for a few hours. Do whatever edits you want to make, but make sure you maintain consistency between the Belgaum and Belgaum_district pages as far as the Border problem section is concerned. You yourself seem to have different versions of the Border problem for the two pages. Fix it. Sarvagnya 08:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
• Also your branding Deccan Herald untrustworthy, 'comic relief' etc., is not going to make any difference to Deccan Herald's WP:Notability or WP:Verifiability. Deccan Herald is too reputed a newspaper for you to wish it away. So stop making a spectacle of yourself on that count too. Sarvagnya 08:23, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Warning

Please see Misplaced Pages's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. -- Sundar 10:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki, I didn't say that either you or Sarvagnya was right about the Belgaum issue. My previous message concerns only the no personal attacks policy, which is inviolable. I don't see any personal attacks by Sarvagnya here. If there are any, bring it to my notice or to the administrators' noticeboard, but don't engage in personal attacks yourself.

On the larger issue of Belgaum, I'd advise you to be patient for sometime, collect all your points with supporting external sources and present it in the relevant talk page. Don't edit the article during the intervening period, we can always revert to a "correct" version if it's clearly established so. If your valid and cited points are not adequately addressed in the talk page, approach a third party neutral editor for mediation. If nothing works out, you can ask for dispute resolution. Stay cool. -- Sundar 11:19, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure there are many English newspapers from Maharashtra, especially from Mumbai. If not, you could extract Marathi text from newspapers and let respected users like Nick do the translation. By the way, if you're not aware, there's a thriving Marathi Misplaced Pages, one of the leading Indic language Wikipedias. You might want to contribute there also. -- Sundar 11:54, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

A new day

Hello. I see that the article is more stable now. I am sorry I could not stay longer yesterday, but I had to sleep. I had already contacted some admins yesterday before leaving giving them instructions to block anyone trying to insert POV in the articles. I feel the article reads better now. I think you should follow Sundar's advice and cool down(Though I think you already have). Don't ever loose control over yourself over such emotional issues. If you had been blocked yesterday (and you came very close to it) then the article would be something else now. Anyways, do leave a message on my talk page if you have any more difficulties. Regards, - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 11:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

You misunderstand me my friend. I was referring to the events before I came into the picture. I have seen cases where a violation of 3RR leads to immediate blocks in similar cases. Hence my reference to your (and others) coming close to it. Everything is fine now. Infact I am very pleased to see that you followed my suggestions after that. I understand your feelings about POV in the article and I too will try my best to see that such a thing never happens again in this case. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 13:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

My pleasure. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 13:18, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I'm not an enthnic chauvinist of any kind — I don't even live in India and I also don't know if your message to me was meant to be a compliment or an insult. The bottomline is that this article would be served better if we try to channel our efforts on being inclusive and representing all views in the dispute with appropriate citations, than if we go around calling people names and yelling blue murder. Also, please stop using the word "Kannadi". People from Karnataka are called Kannadigas. I don't think "Kannadi" is even a word, even if it is, it appears to be less than flattering. Thanks AreJay 13:36, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

STOP IT!!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH

Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Misplaced Pages has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by administrators or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you.

Misplaced Pages guidelines dictate that you assume good faith in dealing with other editors. Please stop being uncivil to your fellow editors, and assume that they are here to improve Misplaced Pages. Thank you.

It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate edit wars.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarvagnya (talk • contribs)

Final warning

Hi Mahawiki. Why don't you remain silent and away from Sarvagnya for some colling period? You're only acting against your own "cause" by being aggressive. Any article can be always brought to your version, if found correct later. Why don't you wait till other wikipedians work on the contentious articles? -- Sundar 07:45, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Why do you go tit-for-tat with Sarvagnya? If you are sincere about your apologies, you could've just stopped with that without slapping {{defwarn}}. Also, your comments on Dinesh's talk page were also not warranted. Refraining from that would've given you some brownie points if you ever went for dispute resolution. I'd advise you to wait for sometime before you edit contentious articles even if you feel their current state is not fair. -- Sundar 08:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

My advice was to help you not get banned and present your views. I can understand that in matters of passion, people get emotional and start fighting. But, that'll only harm your "cause" of representing pro-Marathi views if you get banned. I don't say that Sarvagnya or Dinesh do not have a POV, but your purpose will be served better if you don't get banned and make your edits without any personal attacks. If they revert you, approach a neutral admin from this list. It's up to you. -- Sundar 11:57, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Response to AMA Request

Hello Mahawiki,

I am writing in response to your recent AMA request. While I have no previous background whatsoever in the issues you and several others have been contesting, I do have some background in the WP:DR process, which was aquired over the summer in a long term campaign I ran against two biased editors. From what I understand, there are limits to what can be effectively done through Advocacy or other stages in the Dispute Resolution process. Basically, the success of these efforts depends on the assumption of good faith on the part of all participants, who then must be committed to working together to resolve whatever POV issues are at stake. This is how the process would work ideally. If you think you can assume good faith on the part of the people whose edits you have been contesting, and are willing to work together with them towards developing an NPOV account of the areas contested in the article, then the AMA process should work and I would be willing to take your case. If on the other hand the problem has more to do with the personal behavior of any editors who are entirely unwilling or unable to work with others, then I can tell you ahead of time the AMA process will not work. If I take the case and find out the problem has more to do with anyone's personal conduct than with a content issue then I will terminate the case and recommend that parties in accord with WP policies issue Requests for Comment on any suspect users.

If you decide to take me on as your advocate I may be able to communicate with you once or twice a day, at most. You can send me an email or communicate with me via my talk page. Best Regards, Amerique 00:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello Mahawiki,

I understand from your message on my talk page that you consider the POV dispute largely resolved due to the intervention of Aksi_Great and sunder. I will continue to monitor the involved articles as you requested. Thanks for contacting the AMA and attempting to gather 3rd person input. I suggest, if you ever don't feel you can reach a consensus with other users regarding POV issues and want to gather more input, post a straw poll at WP:POLLS or an article content request for comment at WP:RFC. Feel free to contact me if you ever need any advice or someone to act for you in an advocacy capacity. Best Regards,--Amerique 05:45, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello Mahawiki,

Now that the page is protected, I suggest disengaging from further direct confrontatons with your various antagonists in favor of trying to establish a larger consensus for your edits. To be honest, I've checked out the discussions on various user pages and there does not seem to be any foundation of mutual good faith for a diplomatic attempt at advocacy to work. I can't effectively represent your concerns to someone entirely unwilling to work with you. And you can't show or prove yourself to be in the right to third party observers by continuing to quarrel with them. So, I strongly recommend designing a survey to gather and register concerned opinions on the issue and posting it to the article's talk page and listing it here: WP:POLLS. If the survey does not show consensus, or if the consensus goes against you, it will at least show that you are trying to gather input and are willing to work with others in doing so.

As I understand, the main item leading to the dispute is whether Marathi is an official language of Belgaon. To me, whether or not the language is official, it still should be recognized as the language of the proportion of the population who speak it primarily, and the issue is over how to incorporate recognition of this linguistic group into the article. Send me your ideas for phrasing the survey and I will work with you on it. I won't be online much tonight or tomorrow, but should be online again two days from now. Best, --Amerique 20:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello Mahawiki,

Ok, what I meant by "phrasing the survey" is try to determine the proper words to use to describe the issues leading to the POV dispute. From what I understand, a specific issue leading to the larger dispute is over whether the Marathi language, and by extension the Marathi speaking population, is appropriate to make reference to in the Belgaum articles. To me, the significant work done on the border dispute section confirms that it is appropriate, so the underlying question seems to be how to incorporate broader references to the Marathi linguistic population within the rest of the article. To me, just listing the Marathi names for things is entirely appropriate and NPOV, but I can't argue for or against any claims as to origins or meanings of any terms or concepts. I propose writing a survey to attempt to gather more opinion from outsiders or onlookers to the practical matters underlying this debate, which the many personal attacks have entirely obscured, but I want to be sure I have identifyed what the issues are correctly.

Some sample survey questions might be:

• Is it appropriate to list Marathi names for things within the Belgaum article?

• Does this reference here: "_" show that Marathi is an official language of Belgaum?

And more questions for anything else that is being contested. Best,--Amerique 03:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello Mahawiki,

In the case of this proposed survey, I beseech ahead of time the assumption of good faith on the part of all participants. The point of doing this would not be for any majority to decide what is "true" or even what goes into the article, but to determine what various users feel is legitimate or NPOV information. On your call I will post the first survey question to the talk page of the article to see how the response goes. Best, --Amerique 05:36, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello Mahawiki,

There does not seem to be much more I can do with this article. I agree with your basic premise that Marathi scripts belong in the article, alongside other scripts, but I think the lack of good faith on both sides of this project will keep the article a war zone. I would like to recommend further steps in dispute resolution, but with the consistent lack of good faith and unwillingness to compromise I don't see how any formal steps in WP:DR could work. I recommend continuing to try to get second and third opinions and establishing consensus for all your editing activities. This is the only way to effectively do things on WP, as opposed to making arguments or possibly offending people. Best of luck,--Amerique 20:02, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello Mahawiki,

Well, until the article is unprotected I don't think there is much more I can say on the conflict as it stands currently. In event of further reverts or deletions without reason I do not recommend responding in kind. Sustained activity of this sort can be reported on the appropriate link here: WP:AN. I do not recommend making personally-based accusations against editors who are opposed to your activities, as this will look bad on you and on the objectives you support. (Speaking frankly, to clear things up you should probably apologize to some of those you've offended, whether intentionally or not.) If you want to make arguments strictly based on sources and on WP policy in an informal 3rd party mediated environment I suggest proposing WP:MEDCAB to opposing editors. I don't think the more formal steps in WP:DR would serve either side in these disputes any good, at this point. Formal DR steps are probably something both sides want to avoid, but you must remember that everything you post to WP can be taken as evidence against you should any individual user decide to initiate these steps against you. I'll serve as your advocate to the extent I can, but I can't promise much. Best,--Amerique 06:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: My plea about Belgaon article

Hello. I know I am late, but I had to stay away for 2 days due to personal reasons. The only thing that I want to say now is not to be emotional about this issue. There is no need to rake up past issues now. Whatever Sarnagnya may have done before I came to the picture is of no concern. The important thing is that things are better now. Forget about any edits he may have made in the past. And whatever you do, please obey wikipedia rules to edit here. You have almost broken 3RR again today regarding the Marathi name. That rule is non-negotiable whatever may be your justification. I am not going to report you, but that does not allow you to go on like this. Discuss the issue on the talk page first if reverted. You had put a comment about the marathi name on the talk page. That was a good thing, but you could have waited for some more discussion to take place. I request you to take some time off. Misplaced Pages can be stressing for people. Even a 1 day break can be quite relaxing. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 12:09, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no verdict. Neither of you is bound to the so-called "verdict". I am not the arb-com, nor an official mediator. In fact I am not even an administrator. Just a concerned wikipedian. You have as much say in this matter as I have. The photo which you have given is a very good one. Now, what you can do is add the link to Belgaum talk page. See how the others react to it. If that is indeed a picture of the mahapalika then that should be enough. This is what you should have done before reverting to it in the article. This is ho wikipedia works. One of the pillars on which wikipedia works is "verifiability, not truth". This may seem to be surprising at first glance. But it is just something that you must accept while editing anything. So when you say "despite the clear mention of usage of Marathi in Belgaon Mahanagarpalika" you must have a link (like the one you provided) before adding anything to wikipedia. If all the people and media decide tomorrow that the sky is brown not blue, then wikipedia must follow suit. We are not here to decide whether it is true or not. Hope you undertands. Go ahead and discuss on the talk page of the article. I will keep an eye on it. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 14:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

ENOUGH!!

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED BEFORE NOT TO USE UNCOUTH SLANGS LIKE 'KANNADI'(SIC). STOP THE NONSENSE NOW!!

Sarvagnya 05:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Vande Mataram

Our buddy Sarvagnya had a problem with using Hindi/Devanagari on there. I heard you had a problem with him too.Bakaman _Bakatalk 15:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

False warnings

Please don't ever use false warnings like these again. You do not have the technical ability to block another editor, and those warnings would not have been appropriate anyway. Please leave the warning to the administrators or other uninvolved editors in this case. Furthermore, as per WP:VAND, mischaracterizing anothers' edits as vandalism in a content dispute is a breach of incivility.

If you are involved in a content dispute, the proper solution is to calmly pursue dispute resolution, which means you should not make attacks, edit war, or use a confrontational tone in discussion, but rather engage in mediation and compromise. Dmcdevit·t 19:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Others' misconduct does not excuse ones's own. You've given me a red herring, when I came here to warn you about your misconduct, and ask you to correct it. That's all. Dmcdevit·t 19:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Removal of warning

I removed the warning because test6 cannot be given by ordinary users like you and me. It is reserved for admins to give to users who have been blocked from editing due to vandalism. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Just ask yourself what purpose these warnings would serve? Instead stick to the talk pages of these articles and discuss issues there. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:18, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

But Maharashtrians are called Marathis, Gujarat people Gujaratis and Kannada people Kannadigas. If people are getting offended with your use of Kannadi then you should stop. Just for the sake of not hurting others. What say you? - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

No one is about to get blocked. As long as both of you discuss the issue on the talk page, I have no problem. But you must reach a consensus. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 19:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Conduct

Please refrain from shouting at other users in Caps Lock and calling people vandals, or implying that they are "dumb" - You are pushing the line.Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 02:37, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

निरोप

निरोप वाचला आणि खोडला, विषेश कारण नाही. तुझी चर्चा वाचुन बरे वाटले.--Sandipani 05:37, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Maharashtracha Vijay Aso !!!!!

Hi Mahawiki,

Great to know that there is atleast one true Marathi here, who's fighting for our asmita. I have been seeing what things are going on in this site for quite sometime now. People are constantly vandalising Marathi-related articles like Shivaji, Marathi, Maratha, Maharashtra, Mumbai and many others. I didn't know about Belgaum article being vandalised. We'll stand united and defeat the vandal hordes trying to break the Marathi self-respect.

I must tell you that i didn't mean what I said about Brahmins because those were stray instances of betrayal. And I very well know that Marathi Brahmins are extremely loyal to our Marathi culture and are great marathi nationalists. Heck, infact, they have contributed a lion's share to the development of our Marathi culture. Casteism is wrong but some people are hell bent on dividing the Marathi community. Just see the Shivaji page. An ill-informed user is trying to put Brahmin-Maratha conflict there in a way of "Coronation" section. That's why I got really angry. But I also know there are people like you. I totally agree with what you say. If there is a legitimate conflict between North-Indian Hindus and Marathi Muslims then I would support the Marathi Muslims. I am pained to see the state of religious pluralism in our state. Our state has always been a religiously pluralist state unlike other regions like Gujarat, UP or Bengal which are communally polarised. But the recent spate of incidents where North Indian Muslims provoke Marathi Muslims and North Indian Hindutvavadis along with a few of our own rabble rousers provoke Marathi Hindus to go against each other are heart-breaking. Also, we must understand that our Marathi community is the most religiously diverse community in the whole India. We have Marathi Muslims, Marathi Christians (esp. Vasaikars), Marathi Buddhists (Neo-Buddhists or Nava Boudh) and also Marathi Jews (aka Bene Israel). And all of these people have contributed to the development of the Maharshtra culture and identity. Also regional differences like Deshi/Deshast people, Malvani and Konkani people, Vidarbhiya are not going to divide us. I personally feel that if there is a strong sense of ethno-linguistic identity, then religious conflicts will never happen. Sadly our politicians never let it happen. They know the consequences.

Also, Maharashtra and Maharashtrians are almost always given a raw deal by other Indians. Still our elders are shouting from the rooftop against Western influences on Marathi, as they are influenced by the other Indians. But what they don't understand is that Western culture/influence is not a threat on Marathi culture !!! The real threat is the other Indian cultures which are unfairly suppressing our Marathi culture. I reiterate my point - Punjabi/Gujarathi/South Indian/North Indian cultures are suppressing our culture in Mumbai. And it won't be long before they reach Pune or the sheltered Konkan.

I have been ranting about things. I hope you will understand and agree with this. We need to be united against these thugs.

--Sawai Raja 07:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Also I forget to mention that article on Rashtrakuta Empire has been totally Kannadified by a user. I dont know much about Rashtrakuta but I feel that it was a precursor of Marathi culture. And I have heard that Marathi language comes from Rashtrakuti language, which surprisingly has no mention in the Rashtrakuta Empire. Maybe you know something about that. Check it out, bro.

--Sawai Raja 07:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

हिंदी

हिंदीत 'बेलगाम' असे म्हणतात. हे मराठी "बेळगांव" पेक्षा एकदम वेगळे आहे. तुझ्या चर्चेमध्ये "बेलगाम" असे लिहले तर बरे होइल.--Sandipani 17:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Your irresponsible comments

Hey, please refrain from insulting Kannada people on your comments. This is not something you should be doing on Misplaced Pages. --SunderKrishnan 17:27, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello. Don't worry, I am very much in touch with latest on the Belgaum front. I have taken a back-seat as Wikiamerique is doing a good job. I will help when need arises. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 18:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

And yes, I have a request. When you leave a message on my talk page, create a new section using the + button on top. This keeps my page better organised. Or you could add your comments to a previous discussion between us, otherwise I could miss reading your message (as I did today). Thanks. - Aksi_great (talk - review me) 18:58, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Reply to Dinesh Kannadabadi

Hi mahawiki, I've been observing, you've been fighting for Mrathi cause for some time now. Keep up the good work. Did you read the inflammatory article written by Dinesh Kannadabadi on Belgaon talk page. I have replied him. Check out his talk page - User talk:Dineshkannambadi. He may try to delete my reply because of embaraasment. But you can check it out in history of his talk page. Fly the Marathi flag high soaring up in the sky !!! And thrash maggots like Kannadabadi to dust !!!!

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 14:11, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanx, Mahawiki

Mahawiki, I must thank you for your support and I salute you for your enduring and endearing work to fight Marathi-haters. I know, there are a few others who are standing for the Marathi cause as well. We must all unite and keep these anti-Marathi people at bay. --Arya Rajya Maharashtra 15:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Kannadabadi Is On A Spree

Kannadabadi has resorted to childish and vandal-like acts now. Check out his edits to the Maratha article. Click on this link here to see his edits - diff1. He did the same thing with Maratha Empire article. I checked out the other articles that he is frequently editing - Rajkumar, Rashtrakuta, Belgaon, et all. The articles have been reduced to Kannada-propaganda tools and nothing else. This user must be checked. I also checked the talk pages of these articles as well as the talk-page of Kannadibadi. The fellow seems to be a Kanadda fanatic. Really bad for Misplaced Pages. But I know truth will prevail. Victory will be ours, Mahawiki. I have decided to actively participate in contributing to this site, just for the truth and the Maharashtra cause. Take care.

Maharashtracha Vijay Aso

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 15:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Jawab Mangta

Tension kay ko leta hai, Dadagiri Kay ko Karta Hai, Gandhigiri ke bare mein suna KYa, who kar. Agreed Maharastra is Great, Marattis are killed in Mumbai and what do u do-Nothing-thoda daring hona mangta, Fanatics in Malegaon shout pakistan zindabad and what do marattis do about it-nothing, Dawood rules Mumbai from Karachi what do marattis do about it-Nothing, Malegaon is Little pakistan and not under Maratti control what do u do? nothing, Mumbai film industry is ruled by Punjabis and Muslims and what do marattis do-Nothing and what right have u got to talk about Kannada and Belgaum, first try to keep ur house in order, do just sit watching lavni. vgowda

VGowda ha Kannadabadicha Sockpuppet aahe

mahawiki, kasa aahes ? Kannadabadine aata navin sockpuppet kadhl aahe. Vgowda ha presumably tyachach ID aahe ashi malaa shankha nasun khaatri aahe. Tula kay vatate ? Hya Kannada fanatics ni kaahi articles chi vaat lavun taakli aahe. Rashtrakutala tag lavle aahes he uttam kelas. Pun ha Vgowda che comments paahiles ? Kahhihi lihile aahe. Mi svataha hun tyana shivigal naahi keli re. Mi fakht loser aani fool mhanalo. Shivigal dyaychi jhali aahes tar ashi dili asti ki changlich jhomli asti. Aaplyala tyanna dakhavun dile paahije ki Marathicha apmaan karnaryanche aapun kashi vaat lavato te. Bye for now. Kaaljhi ghe and kaahi madat laglyaas mala nakki comment kar. --Arya Rajya Maharashtra 04:36, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Remain civil

Your comments on the Rashtrakuta talk page and Dinesh Kannambadi's talk page and elsewhere have been extremely uncivil. If you have any problems with the content of a page, take it up on the talk page and provide citations and references for all your claims. Stop browbeating editors and acting in uncivil manner. Misplaced Pages has no place for such behaviour.

It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner. Please remain civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate edit wars.

You have been blocked for 6 hours for repeated incivility toward other editors. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 05:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

{{unblock|If I am uncivil so is Dineshkannambdi and vgouda.Plz see my talk page for the uncivil behaviour of vgouda and see Dinesh and my talks in Rashtrakuta talk pages.He is petrified since his pushing of POV is being exposed!}}

Your block is about yoru behaviour not: Users: Dineshkannambdi and vgouda; If you wish to be unblocked please state why, ie: do you promise to cease your behaviour? Or option two is you wait annother 2 hours or so for your block to expire. thanks/Fenton, Matthew Lexic Dark 52278 Alpha 771 09:24, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Cool down

Hey man, don't take the hate out on Blnguyen. He's helped me quite a lot on wiki, and has contributed to a ton of Indian articles.Bakaman _Bakatalk 01:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I was referring to User_talk:Dineshkannambadi#Maharashtra_Is_The_Greatest and your encouragement of Arya here. I have no plans to ban anyone at all. We won't even get to the article until people calm down and stop calling everyobdy vandals. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 04:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

I think you would be better off trying to improve articles than hand me a list of Marathi cricketers. And perhaps improve the bios of Tendulkar and Agarkar. The Indian cricket bios really are poor - see User:Tintin1107/Status. I think your battlefield mentality is hindering your attempts to get a proper article. Sachin Tendulkar is in very poor shape, and since Dravid is supposed to be Marathi by birth, well hopefully User:Blnguyen/Rahul Dravid is an improvemtn to the main article. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 08:13, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Niraash Nako Hous

Mahawiki, I feel extremely sorry that you got blocked. Block cha dhabba lagayla naahi pahije hota. Pun niraash hou nakos. Satyachi vijay honaarach. Mi Blnguyen la suddha reply dile aahe. Aapan aata legitimately tyaana uttar deuya. Aani majhya talkpagevar comment dyayla sankoch karu nakos. Tyaat gair naahi. Pun, mi tujha Blnguyen la dilela reply "Admin and God" paahila. Tula raag yene jaayaz aahe, punh admin var raag vyakt karu nakos. System var vishwas thev. Justice milnaarach. Aani thoda tari yash haati aale aahe - Vgowda la 3 divasankarita blcok kele aahe. Tyaamule, nirash hou nakos. Aani kaaljhi ghe. Bye.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 07:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki, te lok halla karit aahet. Sarvdnya ne tujhyabaddal complaint keli aahe Bingyaun kadhe. Majhya mate to jastach masala lavun tujhya baddal vait sangto aahe. Tyala todis tod uttar de. I dont know much about those discussions. Mhanun, tulach tyala reply dyava laagel. Take care.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 10:12, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello guys... i think i was one of the first Maharashtrians on Misplaced Pages (i came sometime in May 2004). I used to maintain Maharashtra article before i left Misplaced Pages a few months ago. It seems you guys are having some problems on Maharashtrian articles... do let me know if you want any help.

File:England flag large.png अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 14:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey,

Dont worry about getting spanked by the admins... its a part of WikiLife! You seem to be one of the more balanced Maharashtrian contributers here. Actually dude, i've read some of your anti-North Indian anti-Kannadiga posts. Well methinks they reek of nihilism. Even though i'm only a half-Maharashtrian and havent spent much time in India, i know about those 'ghatti' slurs thrown are our folks. Just ignore them, let the fools show their colours. We arent inferior to anyone. Those who disregard our culture, language and historic significance are insensitive idiots. Lets not massage their superiority complex with nihilistic poss like the ones left by Sawai Raja.

Lastly, even though my mum belongfs to Maratha community i'm saddened by the virulent anti-Brhaminism of fellow Maratha posters. I apologise on their behalf. Let the bygones begones moreover Marathas werent exactly epitomes of virtue!

I'll conclude by saying consider yourself to be an Indian first, a Marathi later. Dont let inter-Indian rivalry spill over into Misplaced Pages. Reach a compromise if necessary. Afterall we Maharashtrians have always compromised and adjusted for others (my paternal folks Sindhis are eternally indebted to Maharashtra for giving them refuge)...

File:England flag large.png अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 18:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

• sigh*... Maybe as i havent experienced anti-Marathi prejudice, i cant relate to your experiences... Though i know the tendency of South Bombay snobs to berate Marathi. I think this prejudice is sustained through national media which is run from Mumbai. Bu then again, all people are stereotyped, Sikhs,Bengalis,South Indians... that is one thing you havent thought of. Competing nationalisms can easily rip India apart.

File:England flag large.png अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 19:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

But hate will get you nowhere. Who is responsible for the despicable condition of Marathis in Mumbai? Marathis themselves... The only way to break this North-Indian superiority complex IS to earn economic power... We have dozed for long enough... File:England flag large.png अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 19:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Well i dont know about Indian Copyright laws, but under British Crown Copyright laws, you can reproduce a copyrighted. Photographing it will be considered reproduction. Still you can upload the images on Magazine covers, as they are cosidered fair-use... File:England flag large.png अमेय आर्यन DaBroodey 19:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Mind your language on Talk:Rashtrakuta

Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Misplaced Pages has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by administrators or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you. Sarvagnya 19:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I think he referred to the last part where you called him a "brat". I've told Sarvagnya to take the courtesy to voice his concerns by pointing out what he does not like. The other thing is to focus on what is an accurate portrayal of the topic, rather than thinking in terms of a Maharashtra vs Karantaka mentality. The posts on the talk page shows that everybody is speculating too much about each other's personal attitudes to regional bias in India, rather than what is correct info. I think perhaps if people can put down a simple statement about what parts of the article are misleading or unbalanced I can have a look, but if people continue to have 75% innuendo and speculation on regional bias/aggro and ascribing motives then a mediator can never see what the content issue unless they sit on a computer 16 hours a day with nothing else to do but try and decipher something which is not clearly stated but is mixed into rambling personal complaints. Also, wrt your edits to User:Blnguyen/Rahul Dravid I was hoping that the best way forward was to give comprehensive info about the accomplishments that Maharashtra has given to cricket, rather than a superficial addition like his name in Marathi script. There is nothing bannable about your dialog with Arya, except that other people seeing a battle mentality may have trouble working with you because of how they perceiv your attitude. Another Indian admin had already tranlstated it for me. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 03:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

No you are not allowed to call other people names even if you are not confornting them. I have also made some comments in talk for Akkalkot, Solapur and Konkani language. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 05:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Photo

Generally no. If you take a photo of a photo, then you can only use it to describe the photo itself not what the photo describes. Basically, if I take a photo of a biography about Sachin Tendulkar, I can only use it to discuss the biography about Tendulkar, I cannot use it to talk about Tendulkar himself. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 05:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

If the photo is under copyvio, then, you can't photocopy it and say "this is a photo of X temple" and put in X temple. You can only use it to describe the work of the photographer. People have been trying to add TIME magazine photos to Sachin Tendulkar - this is only allowed to discuss TIME magazine, not Tendulkar. So th photocopied photo can only be used to talk about the photographer, not what the photo describes. You'll have to dig up your holdiay photos basically, or photos which are expired. Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 05:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

The latest fair use criteria take this one step further: the interpretation of WP:FUC #1 is that a fair use photo cannot be used to depict anyone still living. Relevant discussion is on WP:ANI and User talk:Crzrussian -- Samir धर्म 05:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mahawiki, sorry to have just crept into the conversation. I think that the interpretation is: for any living person, you have to have a free picture (one taken yourself or obtained from another free site). Otherwise, the photo won't qualify as "fair use" (meaning that Misplaced Pages can use it without copyright for limited purposes). -- Samir धर्म 06:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

For non-living beings it's a little sketchier. The broadest interpretation would be that if a photo could theoretically be taken for free of the object, we should wait for a free alternative instead of using a fair use image. This is all developing of the past few days, so all that I've said may not be valid -- Samir धर्म 06:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Mahawiki, kasa aahes ? Tujhe barobar aahe. Aapan aata Marathi related articles improve karuya. Tu mala saang tu konte articles improve karit aahes. Aapan tya articles na featured status paryant aananyacha prayatna karu. OK. Chal, bye aani kaaljhi ghe.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 05:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Mi aata online aahe. thik aahe. Aapan Marathi la develop karuya. Mi thoda matter add karto. Rashtrakuta baddal tu changlich ladhat dilees. Arre, malaa rashtrakuta baddal jast maahit naahi re. Mhanun, mi jaast edit karu shaklo naahi.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 06:08, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Mahawiki. You need to remain cool and not let yourself be troubled by others' words. I have total faith in Blnguyen (and most of the admins). I have seen Blnguyen in action and one thing I know is that he will never judge a situation on the basis of only one side. He is the sole mediator in almost all Indian disputes and till now he is doing a fabulous job. There are a lot more people watching over this dispute than there were before. A few points of advice - (1) Stick to your decision to stay away from talk pages of the Sarvangya unless it is absolutely critical. Keep your discussions with him limited to the talk pages of articles. (2) I have seen you allege that many articles are no longer neutral and that they are biased. I would urge you to provide diffs to prove your point. The diffs will show a previous version and a new version by which we can see the changes made. For example - this is a diff. (3) To divert yourself from these disputes, try and improve Maharashtra related articles. You could join up with User:Arya Rajya Maharashtra and User:AMbroodEY and decide a list of articles which must be improved. And finally (4) My name is Akash, not Akshay :). Cheers - Aksi_great (talk) 18:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I have the page on my watchlist. As for the Marathi translators - I know of only Nichalp. But you don't need admins for that. Why don't you post at WT:INWNB for help. Someone should respond. Ok then, I'm done for the day. If you need anything more, leave a message on my talk page and I'll deal with it tomorrow. - Aksi_great (talk) 19:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Development Of Articles

Hi Maawiki,

kasa aahes ? Mi kaahi pages madhye Marathi transliteration add kele aae. Tu pahiles majhya contributions madhye tar Kandivali, Santacruz, Aurangabad, ityaadi articles madhye mi transliteration add kele aahe. Aata Marathi language cha article chaan pane develop hoto aahe. Tar aata mi ek article pahila. Marathi people he tya aticle che title. Tya article la expand kele ta faar uttam hoil. Aata tari te article khupac lahaan aahe. Tya manaane Gujarati people var che article paha. Tya lokani changlech mothe banavale aahe. Aapan maghe rahun kaay fayda naahi. Mi te develop karayla gheto aahe. Tujhya kadhe kaahi ideas, sources, references va kahihi matter asel tar tyat zaroor add kar. Chall, bye. Kaljhi ghe.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 12:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Info about Belgaum assembly session

I saw that you have deleted info somebody put about the Belgaum assembly session saying that there was no citation. It is inappropriate to delete such stuff without asking for citations on the talk page. the person who put it in might be new to WP and this can probably be considered 'biting' a newbie. This info is definitely true as any quick search of the net will tell you and whats more is far from a bad faith edit.

If we were to start deleting every word that's uncited on WP, we wouldnt have much left neither on Marathi related pages nor on Misplaced Pages in general. If you dont have the patience to take it to the talk page, just add a {{fact}} tag next to the line/s for which you need sources. That is the way to go about it, not by simply deleting it. Sarvagnya 20:06, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I have no problems with being 'citation savvy' as u call it. But on wikipedia there is a method to everything. If you want a citation for something, you tag it with a {{fact}} tag first(unless it is a clear case of vandalism) and then if you dont get any response, you delete it. That is the civilised and good faith way of doing things on wikipedia. And my posts here concern only your behaviour and practices on wikipedia, not the article. If it is about the article, I know better than you to take it up on the article page. Sarvagnya 06:24, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanx

Thankx, Mahawiki. Te article mi develop karit aahe. Do contribute to that article. I would like you to contribute to especially, the Marathi culture (a new section should be created for this), How Marathi people came together for a cause (esp. the Sanyukta Maharashtra Chalwal) and of course, the marathi transliteration of the title. I am sure you'd be more than happy to edit the article and add valuable contributions.

I think they are Maharashtrians, because their surname is Pandit and also their sister is a Marathi singer or so I heard. I am not too sure though.

Again, thanx and keep the Marathi flag flying high.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 12:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Great Contributions

You have done a great job indeed on putting Marathi transliterations on Maharashtra-related articles. Also, good job on articles like Marathi people. Keep up the good work. And BE BOLD !. Misplaced Pages needs people like you.

--NRS 14:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

And here's a barnstar for your excellent contributions on the transliterations --NRS 14:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

		The Working Man's Barnstar
		To mahawiki for his tireless Marathi transliterations on umpteen articles....Keep it up ! --NRS 14:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Marathi people article

Hi mahawiki, I feel the article has been expanded very well in the last three days, I guess and it has a strong case to be featured on the Misplaced Pages mainpage as "Did You Know" (DYK) entry. If it is featured, I think there is no other bigger tribute for our Marathi roots. Just expand the article a little more and try to find an interesting fact from the article, a fact which is somewhat universal for Marathi people. For more on DYK, you can ask a administrator to help you. I am sure this article can reach DYK status. The eligibility for DYK status is significant expansion (1000 words) in the last 5 days. I think, it's only 3 days since this article has been expanded. So there is still a chance. Just expand the article even more. I have added some more material to the article. Names of religious figures.Just check them if they are correct. I have added Sai Baba, Gajanan Maharaj and Swami Samarth apart from some saints. What do you say ?

--NRS 04:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Mahawiki. I see that you've been working on this article, and want it to go on the mainpage in the Template:Did you know section. I have been quite active there in the past (I have 44 DYK entries and am one of the admins who helps to update and process the entries - seeUser:Blnguyen/Contributions the DYK are in italics - you can check the history to see how I've expanded, eg, Harbhajan Singh, Yuvraj Singh, Yograj Singh, Shanthakumaran Sreesanth, Parthiv Patel). At the moment you will need sources for the article and also NPOV - eg, the comment about Marathis dominating cricket is POV, especially as India has not been dominating cricket. Also the expansion applies to actual TEXT, not LISTS, so you will want to make the main body more comprehensive - as the main expansion is by adding names to the list. If you get it done, then go to Template talk:Did you know and add your suggestion.

Also if you want to get the article to Featured article status, the highest quality of article, you can look at Azerbaijani people for some ideas in the long run. The last thing is that the collage pic you created of famous Marathis is not allowed - you make put some pictures together - this is not OK as the picture of Madhuri Dixit is actually copyrighted and unfree, so you can't reprocess it, so it will have to be deleted. Finally, I'd like to commend you for your work in the last few days...we are not here to attack Maharashtra. Regards, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 07:06, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Cauvery

When I saw the article, the Tamil transliteration looked fine. Which dispute are you talking about? -- Sundar 06:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

It was there when I saw that. Only now I noticed that they removed it. I've put a comment in the talk page and shall reinsert the transliteration. -- Sundar 06:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Image:Maharashtrian people.jpg

Hello! Nice work with this image. However, I'm afraid that there are some problems that disallow us from using it on Misplaced Pages. The images used to derive the said image are not available under a free license : The image Image:Lata.jpg is tagged as possibly unfree, Image:Bal Gangadhar Tilak.JPG does not have a copyright tag, Image:Shivaji Maharaj.jpg does not have a source tag and Image:Madhuri_Dixit.jpg is a fair use copyrighted image. Hence, I'm forced to tag the image for deletion. In case any clarifications are required, please feel free to drop me a message on my talk page.-- thunderboltz 10:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Basically, you can only make a collage out of those pictures which are "free" - the Madhuri Dixit pic is "fair use", so it cannot be modified for further use and cannot be used outside the "Madhrui Dixit" page. You can make a collage only from pictures which are "free" use. IF you read the Dixit pic, it tells us that it is copyrighted we are only allowed to use it to describe Dixit herself. As to the time limit, you have 5 days since the last substantial expansion. As for the cricket thing, it would be better to describe what Gavaskar, Tendulkar and DRavid have achieved and their records, rather than a generalistation like "dominated", perhaps you can find stats about the performance of Mumbai cricket team and Maharashtra cricket team in the Ranji Trophy or Deodhar Trophy. I can't say I follow Indian cricket pre-2000, but for example Punjab is a much smaller state and they have had many good players also - Bishen Singh Bedi, Navjot Singh Sidhu, Harbhajan Singh, Yuvraj Singh, so you need evidence of "dominance". Thanks, Blnguyen | BLabberiNg 01:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks like Blnguyen's got here before me. I'm sorry if there has been a slight miscommunication in my earlier message. I was not being sarcastic when I said the image was looking good. I was, in fact, appreciating how much it added to the appeal of the article.

Misplaced Pages's rules aren't that confusing. They might overwhelm you in the beginning; but trust me, they become as easy as ABC with a little experience. As Blnguyen has already explained, just check the image's description page and the licensing terms given there before using the image to prepare a collage. It is important that wikipedia upholds its policy on copyrights, or else it could be sued by the original copyright holders. Regarding your question on where to get free images, this link might help. Cheers, and happy editing!-- thunderboltz 06:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Marathi people

Thanks for your message. My response is here: . I wish you all the best. --Bhadani 14:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Marathi people and User:Sarvagnya

Hi mahawiki, it would be great if Marathi people would be elevated to "featured" or "DYK" status. I already saw your dialogue with NRS and Bhadani. We'll improve the article.

By the way, our stalker Sarvagnya is back and is upto his old tricks again. Just check out his edits to the Marathi people article here - diff. Also check his edit summaries on the article history page here - History. He seems to be hell bent on undoing our hard work. Something needs to be done about him. I am removing most of his tags. Bye and take care.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 06:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki, thanx. Tu velewar aalas. Naahitar to sarvagnya jaastach karat hota. Marathi manasacha hinga tyaane paahila naahi aahe.

--Arya Rajya Maharashtra 11:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Language Timothy

Mahawiki in case you do not know it there is no such term as "Kannadi" the correct term is "Kannadiga". I would request that you do not use the term "Kannadi" as it is offensive. Also please stick to English on the English wikipedia. You can enable you emails and talk among yourselves if there is something you and Arya Rajya want to discuss in private. Haphar 18:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Mahawiki, this is my request as well. Please do not use the term "Kannadi". You can either use 'Kannadigas' or 'Kannada people'. Thank you for your understanding. - KNM 18:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

We are discussing an English article here and English wikipedia. So the term Kannada or Kannadiga is the right use. In Marathi wiki you can use whatever term is used. Also in English wikipedia please stick to English. You can set up private conversations in email between the two of you. The talk pages are for discussions on behaviour and articles. You can have personal conversations but the ettiquette demands the language be used that the forum is in. You can look to contribute and discuss in Marathi on the Marathi wiki in marathi. Please avoid it in the English wikipedia. Excalmations, random sentences are still tolerable not whole passages. Haphar 15:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I dont give a damn what Maratis call Kannadigas or what is written on Marati wikipedia. This is english wikipedia and the only right term to use is the native term. Using your own hoary term is like using angrezi/angrez to refer to English speaking people on Misplaced Pages. And dont hide behind meaningless google hits which only maratis can read. Interestingly, google also gives a hit for Chatripati Shivaji. So right, Chatripati Shivaji(wow.. the name sounds so coooool), he is and will be from now on. Sarvagnya 16:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Shouting

Please do not "SHOUT", as you did on User talk:Blnguyen. It is considered incivil. Thank you. Mar de Sin 20:10, 20 September 2006 (UTC)