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If the Melbourne entry is going to mention that city's distance from Sydney . . . Oh, and you might mention the city's namesake.

As an inhabitant of Sydney, I honestly can't see why its subway is considered interesting - some details please, or else excise the reference -- MB

Probably just a remnant of the Underground nomenclature wars :-) --Anders Törlind

Manning: You don't find Sydney's subway system interesting? You've obviously never gone on a tour of the disused tunnels off St. James station :) -- Simon J Kissane

Sydney's subway is really just the urban section of the suburban rail network. The most interesting feature as far as I'm concerned is that double-decker trains run underground in the city centre. >>>>Lee M 01:15, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Double-decked trains are the only type of trains on the CityRail network, and such that fact really isn't that interesting :) Dysprosia 01:19, 24 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Sydney is still the only city I know that has double-decker trains running underground in the city centre. If I choose to be interested by that then it's interesting. :P Lee M 13:13, 25 Oct 2003 (UTC)

I know of another city, Paris, that has a far more extensive double-decker underground system, which is part of its RER network. This is not its underground system though, the famous metro. On the other hand, in many underground train systems, all the lines do not run underground all the time - underground trains typically run above ground on occassion. Sydney has a kind of underground in the form of the City Circle line, which is the remainder of a plan to produce a real underground system. --XmarkX 02:02, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Again, some discussion of Sin City's criminal past is worthwhile, but the article as it stands gives the misleading impression that the crime rate is extremely high in world terms, which is just not true. Not even Alan Jones can make it so.---Robert Merkel 07:31 Dec 5, 2002 (UTC)

I agree - the crime section seems very out of place - wm

I've bitten the bullet and yanked it and whacked a great big disclaimer on top. If somebody wants to fix it, well and good, otherwise it can stay well out of the way. --Robert Merkel 04:13 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)

That'sinteresting - it was part of a seprate article in the first place! ( See history of this page) Arno 07:35 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I just had a look at the Toronto city page and it seems to have more "stuff" and I think Toronto is good comparison city for Sydney. I might attempt to write some more stuff on Culture (isn't that with a K??) Film Festivals, Theatre (STC, Belvoir) Mardi Gras, Sydney Festival, SSO/ACO/Musica Viva etc etc any other thoughts?? Scotth1 08:33, 2004 Mar 17 (UTC)

feel free to expand the culture of Sydney article, it's good to add a summary of whatever you add there in the main article, but don't add all the content in the main article. the toronto article is rather long, and should probably have sections such as history, hived off into separate articles when they get very long, with prominent Main article links to them, similar to the way the country articles are laid out (see New York City as an example of how this is done). unfortunately many of the city articles aren't following the WikiProject Cities template (even though it says it's for US cities, it can be used for non-US cities). Clarkk 09:44, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

links in headings

links should not generally appear in headings of narrative articles (sometimes it's OK in "list of"-style articles) see: Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style#Headings, also WikiProject Countries and other templates (see my comment above), as well other articles use the Main article: convention. clarkk 12:39, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

How to list LGAs?

I added a list of local government areas...IMHO these are more important then most of the listed suburbs...only notable suburbs that aren't also LGAs should be listed, e.g. Bondi Junction, Chatswood, Cronulla. But the list is pretty long. Too long? I don't know how to format it into two columns. Maybe it's better to have a separate article, 'list of Sydney local government areas'.--Randwicked 10:06, 8 Jun 2004 (UTC)

There is a Local Government Areas of New South Wales. I really don't think the LGA list needs be here, maybe not even the suburbs, unless super-special. All those lists should be kept seperate. T.P.K. 16:09, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)

A soulution may be to add the Sydney_regions template instead. Might look a little neater, and it lists all the LGAs AND 'regions'. -Randwicked 10:45, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Chinatown of Sydney

I'm trying to develop the Australian section of the article on Chinatown, so no country will feel they're excluded from the list. Does Sydney also follow the old touristy urban Sydney Chinatown vs. the new surburban Chinatown pattern? If you have any local perspective, please add them to the article.

By the way, correct anything you feel is erroneous.

• So people are very quick to delete the link to the main Chinatown article (I added it because it could use some more information on Sydney's Chinatown), but yet they're not so quick in adding much-needed new information to it. Sad.

I've added some info to the Chinatown, Sydney article, but I don't think a link to an article on generic Chinatowns is appropriate in a list of Sydney tourist attractions. The Sydney Aquarium listing doesn't need a link to Aquarium.--Randwicked 15:44, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Rugby League

The ARL is a unique sport mainly played in Sydney. Someone wanna write something about that if they're interested?

Largest suburban area

I find no reference for this claim outside wikipedia mirrors. Its metro area is nowhere as big as LA's or New York's, and 'suburban' is a dodgy term. I changed it to 'one of the world's largest urban areas for its population', which is definitely true as the density is low. Randwicked 04:19, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Encarta :Sydney gives an area for the city and suburbs of about 12,400 sq km. This paper discusses the population and sizes of various cities. It is mainly interested in the top twenty by population. The listed cities and their size in sq kms are: New York (17884), Moscow (14925), Chicago (12028), London (11391), Buenos Aires (10888), Los Angeles (10780), Sao Paulo (8479), Tokyo (8014), Mexico City (7346), Osaka-Kobe-Kyoto (6930), Beijing (6562), Shanghai (5177), Jakarta (5100), Seoul (5076), Delhi-New Delhi (3182), Hong Kong-Shenzhen (3051), Manila (2521), Mumbai (Bombay) (2350), Kolkata (Calcutta) (1785), Cairo (1600), Karachi (1100). If the Encarta area is correct, the Sydney article should not claim it is the biggest city by area. It can claim it is bigger than most of the cities in the list. --CloudSurfer 10:51, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)

By the way, Los Angeles is listed on several sites as 1,215 sq km so Sydney is bigger than LA - just. --CloudSurfer 08:36, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

History of Sydney Melbourne rivalry

Is there an article on this somewhere? If not there should be. The interesting thing I find about it is that the rivalry seems more prominent in Sydney than in Melbourne. People in Sydney have a dislike of Melbourne whereas people in Melbourne generally like Sydney but dislike its egocentricity, or at least that is my experience. I suspect it has something to do with the fact that Melbourne was for many years after the gold rush larger and more influential than Sydney. It was chosen as the first capital of Australia. Many federal government institutions were set up there and have gradually left for Canberra or sometimes Sydney. It had all the embassies and all of these factors were reasons for many companies setting up there. With the move of the capital to Canberra, Sydney was then much closer and this has been a factor in Sydney's rise, not to mention the weather and the harbour views. Interestingly, most people in Sydney are unaware that Melbourne was ever the capital of Australia. I suspect they have forgotten why they don't like Melbourne. I am sure there must be heaps of documentation from the time of Federation and both before and after. I am not a historian but surely this is an interesting topic for someone. --CloudSurfer 23:25, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I have thought about an article before, but couldn't find any real information online, though I didn't search all too hard, and there's bound to be something offline too. As a Melburnian, I can say that the rivalry still exists here, and we do from time to time get 'Opera House envy' if you can call it that - things like trying to develop a landmark building in the Docklands, but not knowing exactly what it should be. I've always laughed at this rivalry though; where else has the government said "If you can't play fair with it, neither of you get it!" Frankly, it would have been better here :P T.P.K. 06:54, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I have found some interesting stats that I have put on the Talk:Melbourne page. In 1901 Melbourne was just larger than Sydney with NSW having a larger population by some degree but in 1881 the population of Vic was much larger than NSW. Federation didn't just happen in 1901 there was a long lead time. Another reason for Canberra was to be inland for strategic reasons. That way an army would have more problem attacking the capital. Mind you it didn't stop the British when they trashed Washington DC in the War of 1812. --CloudSurfer 08:28, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

yes it did - they needed to sail up the Ptomac. Canberra is up in the mountains - it's impregnable. The point should be that taking Canberra or not would have little or no strategic significance, since it's only Canberra.--XmarkX 08:27, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Cloudsurfer, I've found the opposite...people in Membourne have a HUUUGE chip on their shoulders about their second-class status and are always going out of their way to prove they're as good or better than us. Whereas Sydney people are too busy toning our perfect abs and talking property prices to care about Melbourne either way. :p - Randwicked 14:40, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Alternative satellite photo

FYI, there's another NASA satellite photo of Sydney here - much higher res (maybe too high?). Can be used under the PD-USGov-NASA image tag. - Nickj 03:34, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Regions

I really disagree with the list of regions of sydney, though I like the concept. Rather than Western Sydney, we should be talking about the Outer West and the South West. I also feel that the Sutherland Shire is a distinct (socio)geographical entity to Southern Sydney. Thought I'd sound people out before makign alterations.--XmarkX 08:37, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

CBD Areas?

I am interested why North Sydney is not mentioned as a major CBD area outside of the true Sydney CBD? In reviewing the North Sydney entry it is stated as the second largest CBD area in NSW. Any thoughts? --Michael 07:31, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)