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Mark Moya?

If he deserves an article so do I. Stirling Newberry 01:53, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

He doesn't. But it appears someone pulled the WP:PROD tag off of it. Oh well. Antandrus (talk) 02:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Request your attention to the GoldToeMarionette case

GoldToeMarionette (talk · contribs) had a WP:RFCU inappropriately completed on their account by Jayjg (talk · contribs) and Hall Monitor (talk · contribs) blocked the account after it was identified as a multiple account despite their being no violation of Misplaced Pages policy by GoldToeMarionette. These users did not respond to requests to undo the action.

Other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

Comments on RFCU itself

Other Admins contacted

Hall Monitor was emailed with no reply

GoldToeMarionette posted on the account's User and Talk Pages seeking assistance when the talk page was protected without the issue being discussed. User:GoldToeMarionette User_talk:GoldToeMarionette

GoldToeMarionette notified article contributors that illustrative examples were subject to an AfD. The account strictly followed the WP:SPAM#Internal_spamming guideline. The AfD was without controversy. GoldToeMarionette did not participate in the vote. HereToCleanup removed the posts following the AfD in accord with the widely accepted Misplaced Pages Guideline Misplaced Pages:Spam#Internal_spamming that states "Clean up your mess. For example, after engaging in cross-posting to promote some election, be sure to remove those cross-posts after the election is complete."

• GoldToeMarionette Contributions
• Breakdown of GoldToeMarionette's Posts
• Example post to 66 article contributors
• Example post removal from 66 article contributors
• HereToCleanup's Contributions
• No AfD participation

Since GoldToeMarionette was strictly following Misplaced Pages Policy, there should not have been a Check User completed by Jayjg. Hall Monitor only blocked the account because it was labeled as a sockpuppet by Jayjg's completed Check User. Absent policy violation it should not have been processed in RFCU or been blocked. I am asking for your help to confirm that policy was not violated, administrative action should not have been taken, and request that the administrative action be reversed by unblocking GoldToeMarionette and unprotecting the talk page. Thank you for your time with this request. SixWallRoom 04:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Same here, so far looks like a quite night for vandal hunting Æon 04:29, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I was just wondering...

Do you have a personal webpage with, say, MIDI versions of some of the music that you've composed? I might be interested in hearing some of it.--The Count of Monte Cristo 04:35, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Um... send me an e-mail; I'd rather stay quite anonymous here. I get too many death threats for my anti-vandal work. :-) Antandrus (talk) 04:39, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello!

I enjoyed your article on the composer John Bull. In your article, you mention that there's evidence that he was involved in espionage missions for Queen Elizabeth. I'm actually doing a Musicology paper pertaining to this subject; I was wondering which of your sources you got that particular piece of information from, so that I could look it up and use it. Thanks a lot, and I'll look forward to your response.

Jeff

Hi Jeff: sorry, I'm finally getting to my talk page backlog. I did not add that bit about Bull being involved in espionage; it was added by user User:Yellow Lion on 5 September 2005 . I have never read anything about this, and do not have a source to back it up (there's nothing in Grove that I recall). Antandrus (talk) 15:41, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

GHe's RfA

Advice

Hello Antandrus,

I'm wondering if I can seek your advice. I've recently been involved in a dispute with User:Robin klein that has greatly exacerbated my wikistress. I'm wondering if you would be so kind as to assist me in two ways: firstly, as an experienced editor and music scholar, to offer a third opinion, and secondly, to advise me as to how I might have handled or should continue to handle the situation in the most productive and cooperative fashion possible.

The dispute began on the music page. I copyedited the lead to try to make it clearer and more understandable and my edits were reverted without comment. I then began a discussion on the article's talk page. To my chagrin, this apparent feud continued on the issue of Voice instrumental music. I found this article a while back, couldn't understand what it was about, and tried to copyedit it for a while. User:Hyacinth changed it to a redirect to vocal music, calling it OR, and moved the rest of the contents to Vocal music, after which I copyedited more, removing a lot of what did not seem appropriate for a survey of vocal music. I now think the article was OR as I cannot find any use of the term "voice instrumental music", other than mirror sites of wikipedia. Robin, as the initial author, feels differently. Her comments are on on my talk page and my comments on her talk page.

I don't wish to burden you - I'm just not sure what's best to do in this situation and I hoped you might be able to help. Thank you. Best, MarkBuckles (talk) 09:11, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me! I didn't realize you were on Wikibreak when I first posted this. I hope the conference went/is going well! The situation has become amicable most thankfully, but has not been resolved. There are two unrelated issues. First, the lead of the Music article. Some discussion regarding this at Talk:Music. Second, the future of Voice instrumental music or its former content. Copious discussion of this at both our talk pages. I would be most grateful to get a third educated and experienced opinion, whether or not you agree with my views. Your general advice on the interaction is also quite welcome. I think I'm learning from this experience and I'm hoping to improve my general method of Wikitalk. Since text-based communication tends to be dehumanizing in a way, and because people are inherently protective of their creations (even though this is a Wiki), I've found assuming good faith to be extremely important at all times - and not just that you assume it, but that you actively demonstrate it in the tone and content of your messages, since that's all we have to go by. MarkBuckles (talk) 06:00, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

NPOV here?

I just came across this, which sounds maybe a little, teensy bit POV-ed: http://en.wikipedia.org/Istv%C3%A1n_Kert%C3%A9sz but am not certain of how to proceed. Merci! Wspencer11 14:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Concerto delle donne

<poke> Would you look at Concerto delle donne and comment at the peer review when/if you get a chance? Mak (talk) 04:07, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes: I haven't forgotten. I have a bit of a request backlog on this page right now. :-) Antandrus (talk) 18:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. I wasn't sure whether it had gotten lost in the shuffle, or was simply still in the queu, or however those Commonwealthers spell it. Mak (talk) 18:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

North Carolina vandal

I have given up the North Carolina vandalism. I actually stopped last month, but you blocked the accounts I was using in the sandbox.Steinerstein 02:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Not so. I just blocked you again. Antandrus (talk) 03:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Smile!

Mr. Lefty has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing!

Removal of entires on Vandalism board

Hi, I listed a user on the vandalism board just now. You removed him saying that he was already blocked. He wasn't. Why did you remove him? Tobyk777 19:31, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Blocked?

Um, I think there has been a slight misunderstanding. I was informed that I was blocked because someone happened to be using the same internet service as me. To my knowledge, blocks were meant to block people who did something wrong. Could you please unblock me so that I may continue contributing to Misplaced Pages? Green Machine 6 04:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Sure. First of all, if you are able to edit my talk page, you can't be blocked. Second, since there's nothing in the block log for you specifically, you must have been hit by an autoblock, i.e. by someone who shared an IP with you. I just cleared the only three autoblocks for which I was the blocking admin in the last 24 hours. Without the actual message on your block page that's about as far as I can go; hope it helps. Antandrus (talk) 04:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

August Esperanza Newsletter

Concerto etc.

Apologies if I'm becoming tiresome, I just thought that I'd let you know that I've shoved the concerto delle donne article on to FAC, largely because I'm going to have to give the Newcomb book back soon, and I want to have it for the majority of the FAC, just in case. If you feel like making constructive criticisms, the link is Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Concerto delle donne. I hope you're having a lovely time at your conference and causing as much trouble as possible. Cheers, Mak (talk) 01:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

No problem: I just haven't had any quality time to really have a close look ... these things happen. I did read it through already a few days ago, and it was a nice article. Cheers! Antandrus (talk) 00:03, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

More concerto - User:Makemi/Concerto delle donne, dramatic version. I thought you might be amused. Mak (talk) 18:53, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Composer catagorization issues...

Hello. I'm afraid I'm having a bit of a tango with Dafoeberezin3494 concerning several major changes that he or she been undertaking in the "classical composers" catagory. I posted something about this on August 12th at ], but haven't had any response. At my suggestion, he or she has posted something to the composers project page at ] but this seems to be escalating rather than deflating.

• My main problem is that he or she is using very questionable sources (a textbook generally used in non-music major Music appreciation classes at American Universities, "standard repertoire" lists and the like....) and has a tendency to use lots of non-POV language such as "the greatest", "the best" , "the most important". This wouldn't really be a problem except that he or she works very quickly and this is starting to change the whole structure of the catagorization of composers. I can personally can foresee several problems with this.
  • This person should obviously be encouraged as a young person with lots of energy, but quite frankly, I'm not the person to do so as we're not getting on at all. I'm wondering if you would mind perhaps communicating a bit about this and perhaps giving some insight. I think that if I say anything else, that this person is probably going to explode. And really, at this point, I would quite understand. It's just not a "fair fight". If you can't help with this, I would appreciate your passing this on to someone who can. Thanks in advance. Musikfabrik 20:10, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

A block?

Okay, this is the second time I have been blocked today based on my IP address...Can you please unblock my user name? I didn't do anything wrong. I was editing my user page when I saw I was blocked for something relating to Fidel Castro...I haven't edited that article...ever.

Sorry to bother you again...

Its Dwslassls...

Okay, well I may not be blocked from editing a talk page, but submitting the information is quite a problem...That is what I meant...

I can type all I want into an article...not a talk page, but whenever I try to submit the edits, it just says "your IP is blocked for...Fidel castro"...Then I try again, and everything i've typed is completely gone and I can't do anything. I spent about half an hour typing the articles I've edited on my user page, and I couldn't submit it, and all the work went down the drain. I'm not raving or anything, I'm just wondering if you can help when you have the chance.

Thanks a lot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dwslassls (talk • contribs) .

(Responded on your talk page). Antandrus (talk) 00:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Further note from the NCV

Why blame me for what some unrelated jackass named "Buzawz" did?Steinerstein 03:01, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

And you just happened to notice that he got blocked thirty seconds before, when you haven't used this account at all today? LOL. Antandrus (talk) 03:04, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Now why did you block Buzawz indefniely, although he wss being a victim of wikistalking.Steinerstein 03:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Please don't talk about yourself in the third person--it's confusing. I blocked you because you were vandalising, and I blocked your "Steinerstein" account because it is a sockpuppet for block evasion. Now please go away and leave us alone--we're an encyclopedia, not a gaming forum. Antandrus (talk) 03:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I will leave and never come back if you delete Misplaced Pages:Long term abuse/North Carolina vandal.Firaddahides 03:17, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Put it on WP:ANI and see what kind of response you get. I couldn't do that unilaterally anyway. Antandrus (talk) 03:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

(edit conflict)User:Buzawz was also attempting to pretend to protect Misplaced Pages:Sandbox using a very similar protection summary in edit summary, and to remove the sandbox header from a sandbox page to replace something like "This article is indefinitely protected.". -- ADNghiem501 03:20, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

And regarding Steinerstein, he himself added his original username "Jake Remington" to Misplaced Pages:Missing Wikipedians which I've removed. -- ADNghiem501 03:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with reverting the vandalism

Thanks for reverting the massive redirect vandalism. — ERcheck (talk) 00:34, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

2006 redefinition of planet page

Maybe you could sprotect the page because it is a current event (likely continued vandalism)? The same was done for the JonBenet Ramsey article (seems like the same person/bot is vandalizing over and over on these pages). — Super-Magician (talk • contribs • count) ★ 01:21, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing; let's try it. He/it will just move on to a different article, but we can sprotect that one too. Antandrus (talk) 01:23, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Blocking the Beast1234

There's no point in reasoning with him. Due to his history, he won't care or stop. Just delete and ban him PLEASE. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MikailMoolla (talk • contribs) 06:20, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. From all of us. *hug* I don't know how to give you a Barnstar but you deserve one anyway. -I eat cake! :->

You're welcome. Antandrus (talk) 14:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks on Ray Lopez

It's been a particularly nasty outbreak - goes across myspace and blogs as well as here. Stirling Newberry 05:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea what the whole history is on this one, but his talk page is frightening. At any rate there's no reason we have to put up with this kind of crap. Antandrus (talk) 05:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps he is trying to reach the GNAA standard of notability. :) Stirling Newberry 05:31, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I have stopped

Under the account User:Ilokon i tried to show you all that I had stopped, but they deleted everything I did. Please unprotect Misplaced Pages:Long term abuse/North Carolina vandal, User talk:A Man For The Glen, User talk:Dirkenstein, andUser talk:Remington and the Rattlesnakes. Also unblock Remington and the Rattlesnakes. None of this will be used for anything bad.Deloty 03:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Gregorian chant lede dispute

User:SCCC and I are having a fundamental disagreement over the lede to the Gregorian chant article. If you have a few minutes, could you please look over our discussion at Talk:Gregorian_chant#Alteration_of_lede and give your input? Thanks! Peirigill 21:32, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

NCV

Some people don't understant I have given up and they are blcking my accounts, although I am not using them to vandalize. Maybe you should make it more well known I have given up.The Robertson Quinn 01:59, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

So are you here as a good editor then? Post it to ANI. "Yes, I was the NCV. I'm promising not to vandalize any more. I'm not trolling. This is an honest post." Or something. The problem is that you've vandalized SO much, for more than a year, that people are jaded. But give it a try. People here are smart: they can tell when someone is sincere. Antandrus (talk) 02:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I gave up vandalism last night, and posted it to AN/I, but it was quickly reverted.The Robertson Quinn 02:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Please unprotected the pages I requested you to unprotect further up, and try to Unban Remington and the Rattlesnakes.The Robertson Quinn 02:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

AOL IP 207.200.116.*** vandalism

Hi, Saw you reverted an edit from the AOL address a minute ago. Looks like there is a vandal bot on the go from that address, look at my contribs from the last 30 mins or so, reverted loads. WP:AIV doesn't deal with range blocks, how can I get a range block put in place for 15 mins or so? This is similar to one I was involved in a couple of months back but I've forgotten how it was done. Cheers Khukri 22:15, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an admin so can't block, but I'm with you I'm not up for blocking for a longtime, just 15mins usually calms it down. Stopped using VP for this as it's not quick enough, back on popups. Cheers Khukri 22:18, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Image:RC logo.jpg

I noticed that you had reverted this logo before, it has been vandalized again, and my reverts don't seem to work. Can you help? DVD+ R/W 22:51, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Did you clear your cache? It looks fine to me. Mak (talk) 23:01, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

No, how do I do that? DVD+ R/W 23:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, I got it. Thanks for the second opinion though. DVD+ R/W 23:15, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, yes: looks right. (I've had trouble with image reversions too. Sometimes it's cache.) Antandrus (talk) 23:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

American classical music

You appear to be the originator of the section on the New England School. I find this sentence curious:

Their intellectual and stylistic descendants, such as Howard Hanson, Walter Piston, and Roger Sessions, and have remained through the 20th and into the 21st centuries in the major universities in the cities of the northeast and elsewhere.

"Their descendants" what? Eliding the examples of Hanson, etcet, gives "Their intellectual and stylistic descendants ... and have remained" which is gibberish. Could you supply the missing copy? For me? Please? :-) Signinstranger 19:20, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I honestly have no memory of having written that. Looks like I am perfectly capable of writing crap. Oh well. Maybe I was drunk. I removed a lot of it. :-) Antandrus (talk) 00:45, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

About the V|rus

Despite the names negative connotation, the V|rus truely means no harm. Its simply a fun community builder in which many users spread the word of the |nfection. There is no hacking, or even an actual computer virus involved. I know at first glance it seems like an evil thing, but it isnt really. I also understand why the V|rus was blocked, i just wanted to clear things up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by DJLO (talk • contribs) .

Please unblock me. Evidently a vandal has a similar IP address? Thanks MajorRogers 02:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

when they take wine and merriness the jws rebel againt king jimbo Zarbon The Great 03:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Take? I prefer to drink it. Antandrus (talk) 03:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

RE: My userpage, Thanks!

Thank you for reverting that vandalism to my userpage. It's very odd to me, because I've never heard of this user, let alone interacted with him/her. Is this vandal just targeting userpages at random? Anyway, thanks again. --Fsotrain₀₉ 13:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh dear :)

LOL, Antandrus is a Mensan and politically correct :) Anyway, I ran into this while attempting to research graduate musicology programs (got any suggestions, btw?) and thought you might get a kick out of The Browns they were from Cleveland. Who knew Ross Duffin (I hope that's a bluelink) was so into sports? Mak (talk) 19:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it's pretty hilarious. As for grad schools, Case Western looks pretty nice, but I think I'd really like to be on one of the two coasts (excepting Florida) or in England. I might be convinced to go to Austin, Texas or maybe Michigan, but they'd have to be really great and give me money. As that troll on my talk page kindly pointed out to me, I'm not fluent in languages other than English, so I'd rather not try to go to school in another language. Mak (talk) 19:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Hm, so far actually, the only schools which have appealed to me are in California. I wonder what's up with that? Mak (talk) 20:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Linza AfD

Thanks, for the sake of the sanity of a number of people, for voting delete in this AfD, but couldn't you have just deleted the wretched thing altogether and closed the AfD? It's been 5 days, and you are an admin...oh well, too late now! Cheers, Moreschi 19:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

OOPS!! I didn't even look at the start date. You're right. Too late, alas! Antandrus (talk) 19:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Argggh...oh well, never mind. I don't see how any other decision can be to delete. Back to sanity, I've stuck a new paragraph into Opera... the one about Gluck... feel free to hack away!! Cheers, Moreschi 19:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

AN/I

Ha, yeah, as amusing as it was, it was getting out of hand. -- Vary | Talk 20:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Image vandalism

Its sickening, but.... how about deleting their image vandalism versions? They'll just make another account to revert to the vandalism versions otherwise. I tried to enlist some admins to delete the vandalism, but so far they think that reverting is probably good enough. Kevin_b_er 04:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, you're right. We should. My mouse-hand is getting tired and it's getting late ... I'll make another annoying request for assistance on AN/I. Thanks! Antandrus (talk) 04:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Ray Lopez Related Attacks

It is getting amusing, latest Ray Lopez meat puppet is now accusing me of being Ray, and flinging personal attacks. The individual in question is also harrassing me at my home phone number. The Ray Lopez thing has been going on for well more than a year, and this outbreak has been going on for two weeks. for examples. Stirling Newberry 22:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Again, I am not Ray Lopez, I was making an observation on your actions related to our disagreement of Stirling. I would appreciate it if you would concentrate on the two open cases we have on the Administrators Notice Boards before you go around accusing me of being your "sockpuppet." T Turner 22:30, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Whether or not you are "Ray Lopez", I have looked at your edits, and your account clearly has no purpose other than to attack Stirling. Since I can't think of a reason to allow you to continue to waste our time, you have been blocked. Please leave us alone. This isn't Usenet, it's not a flame board, it's not the Free Republic, and we take our policies on harrassment, personal attacks, and civility seriously here. Thanks. Antandrus (talk) 02:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

The "M" organization

Hi: Thanks for your response the other day. The IT sexctor has provided a living of sorts but it has been neither terribly remunerative nor (increasingly) fun. But as you say it's definitely better than the usual track for us terminal degree holders. I keep my hand in as best I can, both here and at home (where I sing in the choir at church and conduct there when needed--nice to be married to the organist, and fool increasingly with composing and arranging, which I can do more or less independently of other people).

Tell me about your involvement with M. I have been completely uninvolved so far (joined in early 2004), largely because their events and my schedule have not aligned until recently. I am hoping to get to an introductory event sometime soon. The events also often seem to involve buying meals and sometimes lodging, and our finances have not been such that I feel I can do that, though I was told that I could always attend an event but not buy anything. What's your take on the whole thing? Thanks! --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 15:32, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

And a small addendum

From Whitman's A Passage to India, lines that I love (both on their own and the way RVW sets them in A Sea Symphony) and that could sum up one's approach to Misplaced Pages:

Sail forth! steer for the deep waters only!

Reckless, O soul, exploring, I with thee, and thou with me;

For we are bound where mariner has not yet dared to go,

And we will risk the ship, ourselves and all.

O my brave soul!

O farther, farther sail!

O daring joy, but safe! Are they not all the seas of God?

O farther, farther, farther sail!

--Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 15:39, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I have never heard the Hindemith setting but would love to sometime, though my experience of his music written after the early 40s or so is that it's clearly Hindemith but not generally very interesting--he just seems to go through the motions. (One buddy of mine from Aspen days decades ago always described Hindemith's music as "Looks like Bach, sounds like hell.") I believe I read somewhere once that someone (apparently with muchos cojones) asked him once why he wrote so much music when only 20% of it was worthwhile. He responded by saying that without the 80% there would not have been the 20%. (What a great reply!) So the Requiem is high-quality? --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 15:50, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Too many thanks

I'd give you an other star, but that would be redundant. So here is three cheers to one of the best vandal/troll slayers around. Hip hip hooray, hip hip hooray, hip hip hooray. KOS | talk 20:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Removing things from my talkpage?

Antandrus, I'm wondering if you could explain why you've been removing other users attempts to communicate with me from my talkpage? I find it very frustrating when people take the time to leave me a note and it's removed before I see it. --Improv 18:50, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

I answered you on your talk page. Typically when I shoot a vandal account I just rollback everything. Antandrus (talk) 18:58, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

• Oh, my bad. I didn't spot the changed image. I don't mind the removals then. Take care. --Improv 19:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I had a long talk with the user over IM (he contacted me), and I believe he's going to stop the problem behaviour. I've taken the liberty of unblocking -- I hope you don't mind. Your judgement was sound in blocking, I believe, and sometimes long talks are worthwhile in changing things. If I'm wrong about his intent, feel free to block again -- I don't have a stake in the unblocking. Take care. --Improv 21:43, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

User:Kpavery

User:Kpavery. Check out this guy. From SB. High schooler, I think. He could help work on WP:WPSBC. --hello, i'm a member | talk to me! 01:01, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Thanks

Ahh, I hadn't known that. I'll run for WP:PROXY or the nearest sysop on IRC, next time I see something like it. :) Luna Santin 05:12, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Condor

I started a split, but do need more help.--Mfranck 11:32, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Your vote on an AFD

Hi there! I know we haven't talked much (or indeed at all, from what I can remember), but you have a lot of barnstars from people I admire, and as such, I trust you by proxy :-P. I was wondering if you might throw your vote in at Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Hero_Clothing, as the entire article is cut and copied from the companies website at . Use your own judgement, of course, but I'm rather convinced that the article doesn't really warrant inclusion. HawkerTyphoon 03:45, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

That was a lovely sentiment in the vote. I didn't expect that, it made me smile:-) Keep up the good work, it is 5am and I am going to bed. HawkerTyphoon

"Braggish"?

Hello, Antandrus. You reverted your addition here because it "looked braggish": the edit was a statement of bare truth, and you are right to be proud of it! Take the "stay on for a while" option, please. Here's to the next 22,000! Best regards, RobertG ♬ talk 09:57, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Robert. I'll put it back for a bit.  :-) Antandrus (talk) 14:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Reuters, etc. Yahoo! vandal

Could you semi-protect those pages again? He's still at it. What a strange vandal! Stephen Aquila 17:31, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Well, all I've seen him do is redirect the home pages of newspaper services to their Yahoo! feed, and he likes to mention on the talk pages of news channels (MSNBC, Fox, etc.) that he's found a live stream of them at a certain IP address. I really have no idea why he's doing it, either. I mean, some of his earlier sock puppets didn't shy from the standard "replace the page with a curse word" vandalism on other pages, but that's all I've seen him do on newspaper and news channel pages. Stephen Aquila 22:08, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Ta

Vandal/concerto

Yeah, I noticed that that was the vandal's modus operandi. When we were fixing them the other night I tended to delete all his image reversions, so it wouldn't look like he was doing the vandalism reverting, and so that I wouldn't have to check all the images. Most of my Concerto stuff used Newcomb as their main source, so if you find stuff that doesn't, I'd be happy to hear about it and see if I can get it from NY Public. I didn't find much in Einstein, but I might not have looked in the right places. Even though Concerto is an FA now (woo!) I think it still needs some clarity in terms of the musical style, and better structure. But I'm feeling a little worn out on those aspects of it at the moment :) Oh well, maybe I'll write some articles on Lully operas. ...dinner party now, perhaps I'll see you in the recent changes later :P Cheers, Mak (talk) 22:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

You've got mail! About Gesualdo! Score! Mak (talk) 04:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

ZOMG!!!1!

I was actually going to say the same thing to you! =D Yanksox 02:01, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, pal.

It's nice to feel wanted again.  :) I've spent time on other Wikia wikis and even have bureaucratic rights on them...but man, they're lonely. Slow going. Anyway, it's nice to be back among friends. Need to get the lay of the land with all the new image licensing templates and such. - Lucky 6.9 16:26, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Stirling Newberry

There is something I have wondered. First note I am the NCV, but I have given p vandalism. This is unrelated to my vandalism.

Anyway, what I have wondered is whether Stirling is the same as the users harassing him? Maybe he'd actually just a troll. I'd like to request a checkuser on the matter. The things which make me think this are

1:User:Ray Lopez made an edit to his talk page around the time that Stirling came back from his wikibreak.

2:The harassers can't be watching him 24/7, but both Stirling and the harassers seem to be editing at around the same time. Maybe he's just switching his accounts from one to another and trying to fake a harssment going on between users.

Although this may not be true, I would like to see a checkuser to find out whether these are the same person. This includes Ray Lopez, T Turner, and the others. Shminh 16:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually they have been checkusered; look in the block log. There's a long history of abuse coming from the person behind the "Ray Lopez" account, but beyond about a year ago I can't tell who is who. I've known Stirling for a couple of years, and I don't see any reason why he would make sockpuppets to attack himself; I know that was a charge Ray made, but it just doesn't make any sense.

You know, security companies often hire former hackers to help them. If you are really a reformed vandal and have stopped, you can help us. I always had a hunch you were a smart kid who might join the good side some day. While I might be wrong, I won't stop you if you want to help. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 17:24, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

I take back my offer to help, since you are vandalising tonight. You have to stop lying, and actually stop vandalising before I'm going to bother with you. Antandrus (talk) 02:27, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I am not vandalizing. Show me a vandlism edit I have made since August 27.Shminh 15:23, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:No angry mastodons

Thank you for a beautiful edit comment. You've really put a smile on my face. Durova 17:51, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

For you

GRE

I didn't fail! (whatever that means) but I didn't do great either... Whatever, I probably shouldn't be editing WP, a little drunk. Perhaps I can revert some obvious vandalism. Mak (talk) 02:46, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, heck, drink some more. Getting through the GRE is a cause for celebration. Besides, it's Friday night. Cheers!! Antandrus (talk) 02:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I am :P Anyway, have you ever listened to the Elliott/Patrizia Kwella version of the Beggar's Opera? It's a favorite recording of mine, you should check it out. Paul told me his kids used to call it the "daddy sing" album :) sweet. Mak (talk) 03:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC) .../me goes off to revert vandalism

(wow, an edit conflict on my own talk page!) No, actually I don't know it: sounds like I'd love it. I'm busy trying to write something for a concert next month, while being sporadically distracted by watchlists, recent changes, and other things Wikipedian. Misplaced Pages usually wins. Antandrus (talk) 03:21, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

P.S. If you see me doing anything particularly dumb, tell me to go to bed. Mak (talk) 03:18, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

I tell you what, I'll open another bottle of wine and we'll be even.  :-) Antandrus (talk) 03:21, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good :) The bit I was just listening to was "Fill ev'ry glass/for wine inspires us/and fires us/with courage love and joy. You should check it out. It's on one of the harmonia mundi labels, I think maybe it's harmonia mundi France, although why I don't know. Mak (talk) 03:24, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Sonata problems

Hi Antandrus. It's been a long time since we've caught up with each other. I see you're still a keen editor of music articles. I'm now approaching you in that capacity, and in your role as an admin. There have been continuing difficulties at Sonata form and History of sonata form, along with other articles addressing sonata (of which there are far too many, but that's another matter). I would be very grateful if you would review the situation, looking at those two articles and also at their talk pages. A useful conspectus of some of the issues is to be found at User_talk:Rainwarrior#Sonata. As you know, I am a serious editor in these areas, and I have been patient (well, I also call a spade a spade in edit summaries). But I now need some advice from you about the best way forward. If things can't be put on a better footing, I fear that the suite of articles on musical form, in which Misplaced Pages has a genuine opportunity to excel, will be jeopardised. Thanks! – Noetica 01:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply to this at my talk page, Antandrus. Yes, Stirling and I do overreact to each other. For that reason I do not get into direct discussion with him: from my point of view, we are so different that it would be futile to attempt to engage him in dispassionate dialogue aimed at improving articles. I used to try; it didn't work. As I say, I can only claim this as my point of view! My style is to be meticulous in editing, and to declare my hand in edit summaries. If that can't work to make certain articles better, I'll probably stay away from those articles. (We must make what we can of the possible, as an ancient friend of ours reminds us!) Thanks, once more. We'll see what others have to say, and do. – Noetica 02:28, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for reverting my userpage. DVD+ R/W 03:40, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

And many thanks for reverting my talk page -- Samir धर्म 17:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

You're both quite welcome: anything to make Misplaced Pages a nicer place. Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 17:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Glass

Yeah, the problem was that there were actually two edits close together by different people. Perhaps I should have left the infobox, but frankly I kind of hate them, so if the people adding them can't do it right, I'm not going to bother to fix it. That other guy has inserted the "banal" comment a couple of times, so I've left another comment on his talk page about NPOV and WP:V. Hopefully it will help, but more likely I'll get a long rant about how his music is banal, and how dare I deny people the truth. Oh well. Cheers, Mak (talk) 20:37, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

(hums an ascending first-inversion triad many times) -- yes indeed. (I vaguely remember writing the Uncyclopedia entry on Glass, but I was probably drunk at the time.) Antandrus (talk) 20:39, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I make no comment on my true feelings about Glass' music. I just think accusing an artist of banality is just about the harshest thing you can do, and if you're going to do it you really have to do it right. If the guy got some good sources, a supporting paragraph, a couple other major composers/critics/conductors calling him banal, that'd be fine. ps I do really like a lot of minimalist music. Just not Glass. I think he's banal. Mak (talk) 20:42, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

LOL, just read your piece on Uncyclopedia. Brilliant. I think it was better as you originally wrote it than how it's ended up, except that I like that the "throw this CD across the room thing" has been templatized. Mak (talk) 20:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.  :-) I liked Mindspillage and David Gerard's contributions to it too. Antandrus (talk) 21:43, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Merci beaucoup. Mak (talk) 03:19, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

de nada.  :-) Antandrus (talk) 03:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

A way I will surely stop vandalizng

First, I admit to creation of attack accounts on September 9, 2006. however This is not vadnalism. It is not exactly at least. It can be considered "trolling" or "disruption", but this is not "vandalism".

I will promise to neither vandalize articles nor create attack accounts again, although this will not always hold true. Do not revert hhis edit, as it is meant in good faith.

Anyway, a way in which I will surely stop vandalizing is if you restore an edit to Haathi Mere Saathi back in to the hsitroy. It was made on April 9, 2006, and includes some important content I have needed for months. i will surely stop my vandalism if you restore that to the history. Although i9twas vandalism, it was made back in April and the edits since then will overwrite it.Woivazhoinzuz 00:31, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

A way you can "surely stop vandalizing" is to stop vandalizing. Only you control your own behavior. It's really a fairly simple concept. Antandrus (talk) 04:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Open proxies

I noticed that you blocked a couple of IPs as open proxies. How can you tell when they are? Regards, DVD+ R/W 03:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I've seen that before but didn't know what to make of it. Now that you point it out it makes sense. Thanks, DVD+ R/W 03:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Go raibh maith agat!

72.22.71.39

Just a 24-hour block? Just wondering... Thistheman 03:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

True. Your call. Makes sense. Thistheman 03:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I just felt like leaving another comment anyway, just for the sake of it. Thistheman 03:45, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The Kindness Campaign

Hi there: I have stumbled across this and it sounds nice but I have no idea how to sign up. You signed up, so how do I? Just by adding the template to my userpage? That would be too simple, I would think... --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 13:14, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Nightline

Thanks! (I'm wearing them again today, in fact; they're a favorite pair.) The story went better than I was afraid it might... overall not too bad, except for that "9 other languages" bit! Mindspillage (spill yours?) 14:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Intellect

Hello, Antandrus. This amusing edit reminded me of a story that I heard Denis Norden tell once: Bertrand Russell went out with some friends in the States, and they picnicked in their car in a no-parking zone. A policeman came up, pointed to the "no parking" sign, looked at Russell and said, "Can't you read?" Best wishes, RobertG ♬ talk 08:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that Denis Norden (the late Frank Muir was the other one). I used to love both My Word! and My Music. Would they were still on. --RobertG ♬ talk 16:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Satanism

Thank you for your efforts to protect the page for Satanism. Unfortunately, users are still vandalizing or inappropriately editing the page with unsourced comments in the lead, and are failing to enter into the discussion page to work out proposed edits or locate verifiable sources for information. What action can be taken to prevent this in the future? -Lvthn13 23:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I have entered into discussions with lvthn13 deletes your posting. You ask for reverence about Satanism http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanis5.htm If you want more I can provide more links. Satanism was not founded by Anton LaVey. You should ask for reverences about ths. Anton LaVey started Church Of Satan not Satanism as the article claims

But if you disagree with this a lot of people get unset.

Posted by Jungle1003 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jungle1003 (talk • contribs) .

The following user has attempted to include links to websites distributing illegal pirate copies of books: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&target=59.184.34.185

I am unsure what to do about this, can you advise? -Lvthn13 19:56, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any specific policy prohibiting links to sites that advocate illegal activity; but you'd certainly be within your rights to take the link away and make the case for doing so on the talk page, for it seems like common sense to me. WP:EL has our policies on external links. Antandrus (talk) 22:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Mail

You have e-mail. Mak (talk) 23:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

and again.... Mak (talk) 18:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert on my talk page

Much appreciated.--Taxwoman 12:42, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Re Nicolas Gombert article

Hi, I'm quite new to editing articles on here, which is why I removed the 1980 Grove reference from the article on Nicolas Gombert which you then restored. Obviously if it's your source that's fair enough, but I wouldn't recommend that article in general as it has quite a lot of errors. Is there a way of separating sources for the article from further reading?

Cheers, Sterencio

Thanks Antandrus

Hi Antandrus, I just wanted to thank you for your support during my recent RfA. I am thrilled to tell you it concluded today with a final tally of 160/4/1. I feel completely blown away by the incredibly generous support I received from so many fantastic, respected administrators and editors and I will do my absolute best to ensure I don't let anyone down. Thanks again for your support, Antandrus. Cheers mate, Sarah Ewart (Talk) 13:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

September Esperanza Newsletter

Music question

So, I'm working on Ruggiero (as in the melodic/harmonic formula), and I noticed we don't have an article for Reciting formula, so I went to see if Grove did, which they don't. Is there another word for it that I'm not thinking of? It seems like a fairly important cross-cultural musical/poetic/oral tradition-y concept. Mak (talk) 13:59, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Hm, yes, I've noticed that Grove often does not have articles on narrowly named or defined topics. Usually they are covered under something larger. I'd look it up in my Harvard Dictionary of Music to see if has other names (but I'm at work right now) ... try googling. I can't think of another immediately obvious name. Does that phrase occur in Grove at all? Antandrus (talk) 15:15, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

It seems that "recitation formula" is a little more common, but seems to refer only to Western chant tradition things. I'm thinking of a larger class of musical formulas, all of which are basically to assist in memorizing and chanting/reciting back stories/poems/epics in a variety of oral traditions. Is there a more global word for that sort of thing? Mak (talk) 17:32, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Do you have any interest in IRC at this time? If you're busy I understand. Mak (talk) 01:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Re: Fire

Turns out I was wrong about fire not being a plasma. If the anon adds it again, don't revert, but put a {{fact}} tag on it if he doesn't cite a source. --Coredesat talk! 04:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. In that case, that would be worthy of mention in maybe a sentence or two in the article, but it does not justify transforming the entire first paragraph. Basically, until recently, most classes I had taken had taught that fire is not a plasma or a state of matter, but is simply heat and light energy produced by a combustion reaction. --Coredesat talk! 17:34, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Billyjoebob

User:Billyjoebob has created about 5 articles that were completely empty or nonsense. He has been warned several times. Mkdw 15:52, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I can block him if he vandalises past his last warning; however so far I've just seen him create some low-quality substubs. I need to see malice rather than just cluelessness; I'm pretty careful on the block button. You can report him to WP:AIV though for another opinion. Antandrus (talk) 16:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

whitelist request

hello; i understand that i should contact an en.wiki admin about this, and i have discovered no better means than just picking you out of the admin list, so please bear with me; i was editing an article just now, to include a link to the radio page of my website, but my edit was blocked, due to a blacklisted link; therefore, please would you add my sweet little site -- mashoo.ma.funpic.org -- to the en.wiki whitelist? best wishes Mashoo (talk) 16:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

You can put your request up yourself here MediaWiki_talk:Spam-whitelist. Review our external links policy first and make sure that your site fits the criteria. I won't add it myself since I don't know what the reasons for blacklisting were. Nice pics, by the way; you're a good photographer. Antandrus (talk) 19:14, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

thank you; and thank you for your assistance; perhaps i'll be able to make some musical contributions like yours, one of these days; cheero Mashoo (talk) 21:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

More "Arm"s

User:Armking89 and User:Armkongo just recently created. No edits yet, but I'll try to keep an eye out until I sign off in a bit. --After Midnight 03:51, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

New "likelies" today: User:ArmKiNg, User:Armzcore, User:Armalai --After Midnight 01:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

In answer to your question on Mak's talkpage

"are you really arguing at this length, and spending this much time on this talk page, out of the best interests in improving our encyclopedia? ". :Yes, I am . This issue is being discussed by the International Alliance of women in Music. The Vice-President of the International Music council (UNESCO) has been informed. This is being followed closely by any number of scholars and is going to be discussed at any number of Universities this Fall. Gender bias is only one aspect of exclusionist thinking in the Academic establishment which supports the so-called "Standard Repertoire" canon. Gender bias is the easiest to spot and to confront, as it is objective. So, this is the most effective way to discuss what is really a much more complex issue.

I am not saying that Mak is consciously expressing his/her gender bias, but scholars discussing this have pointed out that his/her reactions (especially the reference to the "Don't be a dick" article) would probably indicate that the person making these statements was most likely a woman interacting with a male-dominated hierarchy and trying to become "one of the guys" as means consolidating this power. This is often refered to as "Venus de Milo" syndrome because although the woman becomes a valued part of the male hierarchy, she is "cutting off her arms" in the longterm by supporting the gender bias of status quo. If you've seen the demographics of Misplaced Pages, there's no arguing about the male domination part. The point is, the resistent to change and the acceptance of suppressing this type of material would almost certainly by a symtome of deep-seated gender bias by a woman. But, I do not expect or want confirmation of the validity of this theory.

Thank you for worrying about spending so much time doing this, but since we have so much help from experts in this field, this isn't really that much trouble. Somehow, I've managed to write three hundred measures of music in the past week, in addition to processing our Fall stock orders, sending out catalogues, working on new concerts/recordings etc. None of us sleeps very much around here...Jean-Thierry Boisseau 10:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Gender bias is "objective"? What exactly do you mean? Because there aren't any women on the lists of composers of opera, that this is proof of bias?

Don't you see the logical fallacies here? You are presupposing that something must be, and then going back and proving bias because you aren't finding what you suppose must be there. People are on those lists because their operas have been performed repeatedly in a wide geographic distribution, not because there is a cabal of evil Male Establishment Dominators saying their names belong there. Consider the possibility that the lists themselves reflect reality.

If you want more operas to be written by women and widely performed, then by all means work towards that goal. I'd like to see that too. When the number and distribution of performances equals that of men on the lists, then they will be listed. And for heaven's sake try to assume some good faith of your fellow editors rather than ceaselessly attacking them as part of some vast male-domination conspiracy. Antandrus (talk) 15:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

You ask why "Gender bias is "objective"?". Excuse me, but I didn't think that I had to explain the difference between girls and boys. I think that is a pretty objectively defined difference, unless you factor in "transgendered" people.

It's not what "I" expected to see or who should be on this list; Quite frankly, I really don't care. However, there are enough women who have written opera (especially in the past thirty years) that SOME should be on this list. The sources which could have proved that have been suppressed or dismissed. If they were examined, or if lists that include only men were discarded (aha, I'll bet that you didn't think of that...why are lists of only men neutral and lists of only women POV?), then at least one woman (in the case of these lists, that would be Judith Weir, but it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be her). The point is that the selection process of the lists had the POV agenda of confirming the standard repertoire, and that's basically what it did.

Before you ask "why didn't you express this in the discussion?". The answer is that since I was defined as having a POV bias to living composers and women, I was asked not to participate. I have counted less then ten people who made this list, two of whom were possibly women, the others who were almost certainly men. Regardless of what happens here, my contributions are neither wanted nor will they be accepted, given the "Great Purge" currently underway. So, there you have it.

The "Venus de Milo" syndrome came from a discussion with someone completely unrelated here, who teaches women's studies at an American University and who saw this as a textbook example. I'm not an expert at this, she is. I don't know anyone's gender in this discussion with certainty, so whatever it means to anyone personally becomes a question of their own self-exploration. If this is making people uncomfortable, then perhaps they need to think about this.

Would you mind replying (if you care to reply) on my discussion page? I only saw this by chance. Thank you. Jean-Thierry Boisseau 22:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)