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			I don't waste my time getting into edit wars with these people who make confusing and misleading statements regarding GPS. I limit my valuable time only to criticizing and pointing out what is wrong with the GPS article. ] (]) 00:42, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

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Do regional systems qualify as "similar to" the Global Positioning System?

I have temporarily reverted the removal of references to IRNSS and other, similar, systems that provide a user's global position within a limited region. At issue is whether a system must span the entire globe to be considered similar to the US's "Global Positioning System", or merely be capable of providing a global position. My opinion is that if they are satellite-based and able to provide GPS-like positioning data anywhere on the globe - even in limited areas - then they are "similar to" the GPS system. Other thoughts? Jtrevor99 (talk) 22:20, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Jtrevor99 No, regional Systems aren't similar to Global Systems, US GPS is globally (all continents) indian regional system IRNSS is only "Regional" isn't capable to have a Global coverage . Indian Regional Navigation Satellite System is only a Regional System similar to The European Geostationary Navigation Overlay Service (EGNOS) .LuigiPortaro29 (talk) 00:25, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I understand that IRNSS etc. only have "regional" coverage. However, within that region, they are able to provide a global position - information identical to what GPS provides. Jtrevor99 (talk) 18:22, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I am inclined to agree with INRSS and the Japanese systems be mentioned here. Not because they are global but the article is about GPS which is a satellite navigation system. It is cleared stated that they are regional and helps the user understand that there are other systems out there. Also, FYI the article is about GPS a satellite based navigation system not a Global navigation system. In the Future please try to build consensus before trying to remove information. Most of this info has been debated and thus added. Misplaced Pages is a collective effort not a place for POV pushing. Thanks. Adamgerber80 (talk) 21:59, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

" If I want to change the added of the unknown , I need to Discuss in the Talk Page "? But Honestly the last version was added by ME and since 2 months that was here, Today the unknown have changed it , and then I had make a Good version of the section of GPS " GLOBAL - (G.L.O.B.A.L.) ("P-O-S-I-T-I-O-N") SYTEMS " for not make confusion Between "GPS " and other Global Systems with regional systems. , then you Have delete it without Talk in the Page , and You say me that I need to talk in the Talk page? and with no consensus you changed it?.... Why you still Believe that regional Indian deserves to be mentioned here in the same range of Beidou , Galileo and GLONASS?, I know that you are very Patriotic , But Honestly you can't say " I add Regional System of India" without consensus, AND Only because the regional system of India is a "Satellite navigation" here we are Talking about the GPS not about " satellite Navigation" ... please , C'mon , I assume that you can put a Tata car in the group of Ferrari or Mclaren saying that Tata is in the SAME group of Ferrari and Maclaren only because Tata is a " Car" , Can you understand that ? regional system of India don't deserves to be here and Believe me I don't have nothing against India, I like the legality, so what we make , we list ALL the regional systems that exist along with GPS and with the others Global Systems only because they are "Satellite navigation"?? Regional Systems like the Indian one, there's so many in every Continent and they aren't important , as well isn't true that we have talked here about the GPS , We had talked about the "Satellite navigation" ,You are confusing a Global system with a navigation system just because only here on Wipedia there is no a page about Global Systems and there's no the right Classifacation on here . we had an agreemend not here in the other section of Satellite navigation , so ins't true that we have talked about the GPS. So who has right ? You or I ? I'm educate so I don't want to change the version of today from part of the unknown to my Version that was here since 2 monts, waiting for a convincing reply.--LuigiPortaro29 (talk)-21:27, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

LuigiPortaro29 Firstly, IP editors have same rights as registered users on Misplaced Pages since is a community effort. IRNSS has been added multiple times on this page (by different users) and has been removed by you. Thus, this merits a discussion, similar to one we had on the Talk:Satellite_navigation. Misplaced Pages is a community effort and you thus there needs to be a broad consensus and no uni-laterally decisions. Now coming to the discussion at hand, no one is disputing the fact that IRNSS is not a global system. It is clearly stated on that page and its mention on this page as well that it is regional. On Misplaced Pages, the ""See Also"" section refers to other pages which might interest the reader and have some relation to the existing page. It does not mean that they are equivalent. There is a definite connection between GPS and IRNSS is that both of them are satellite navigation systems. Thus, it is okay to mention IRNSS in the See Also section. Similarly, the section header at the very end clearly mentions Other Systems. This is to point the user to other satellite navigation systems. The word regional again is mentioned clearly here. There is no attempt to equate these systems. I believe that your argument about cars is flawed here since there are many different car types and each car type has many examples. There are not many satellite navigation systems out there thus there is only a single page on Misplaced Pages, not a Global or a Regional one. It does make sense other systems are mentioned across pages since this list is not too long. If you like you can add the Japanese system here as well. Lastly, I have warned you in the past and do so again, that we are all here is editors and work together. It does not matter what our nationality is as long as we are fair in our analysis. Please refrain from bringing that in these discussions or basing your arguments on these irrelevant arguments. Thanks Adamgerber80 (talk) 22:15, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

What potential monitoring?

Need some details about monitoring potential (and sources!). GPS is one-way; the receivers are only receivers so as far as I can figure there is no potential for monitoring... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.36.79 (talk) 16:55, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Monitoring what? fgnievinski (talk) 20:05, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

I have removed the material in question. Burninthruthesky (talk) 07:36, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Visual GPS

Is there potential for a visible GPS using geostationary satellites that are visible to the naked eye. Anyone could then measure the relative angles to work out their approximate position. 86.143.210.142 (talk) 09:26, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

See Astrolabe - MrOllie (talk) 21:59, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Still have misleading and confusing writing

The closing of discussion below by fgnievinski was somewhat premature. There are still important issues to be discussed. fgnievinski says this has been discussed before. This does not mean all problems have been solved. We still have misleading and confusing writing in the current section 6.1 called Spheres. No one should be allowed to protect misleading and confusing writing from criticism. Let's make sure fgnievinski does not get away with it.

Again quoting from the current section 6.1 called Spheres, "In a simplified idealization in which the ranges are synchronized, these true ranges represent the radii of spheres, each centered on one of the transmitting satellites. The solution for the position of the receiver is then at the intersection of the surfaces of three of these spheres".

This is misleading and confusing, these synchronized ranges never occur unless we have the intersection of the surfaces of four or more spheres. Therefore speaking of a solution occurring at the intersection of the surfaces of three spheres is misleading and confusing. A correct statement is to say a solution is found when we have found the intersection of the surfaces of four or more spheres. For further clarity it could also be stated that a necessary and sufficient condition for a solution is that we have found the intersection of the surfaces of four or more spheres. RHB100 (talk) 02:19, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

This brings up the question why would anyone want to write anything so confusing and misleading as the above quote from section 6.1? While you might say it results from good intentions but failure to understand how GPS works, it is now becoming undeniable that something else is at work. Although I hate to say it, it is now becoming so obvious that it cannot be overlooked that some editors are almost certainly deliberately attempting to confuse and mislead readers. It is all but certain that some editors feel that their livelihood is threatened by providing a clear and unambiguous explanation of GPS on Misplaced Pages. Thus we have fgnievinski madly rushing to close any discusion of any criticism of this all but obvious attempt to confuse the understanding of how GPS works. RHB100 (talk) 18:41, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Why I'm not surprised we got into conspiracy theories. fgnievinski (talk) 20:17, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

@RHB100: Aren't you topic banned from GPS articles? —JJ Be rs 13:21, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't waste my time getting into edit wars with these people who make confusing and misleading statements regarding GPS. I limit my valuable time only to criticizing and pointing out what is wrong with the GPS article. RHB100 (talk) 00:42, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Intersection of three spheres is misleading

WP:SNOW close. This has been repeatedly discussed before, and rejected. I remind the poster to carefully re-read EdJohnston's 2015 warnings on their talk page. Burninthruthesky (talk) 09:03, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Here is a quote from the current section 6.1 called Spheres, "In a simplified idealization in which the ranges are synchronized, these true ranges represent the radii of spheres, each centered on one of the transmitting satellites. The solution for the position of the receiver is then at the intersection of the surfaces of three of these spheres".

These synchronized ranges never occur unless we have the intersection of the surfaces of four or more spheres. Therefore speaking of a solution occurring at the intersection of the surfaces of three spheres is misleading and confusing. A correct statement is to say a solution is found when we have found the intersection of the surfaces of four or more spheres. For further clarity it could also be stated that a necessary and sufficient condition for a solution is that we have found the intersection of the surfaces of four or more spheres. RHB100 (talk) 20:00, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Not again... Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive274#User RHB100 and GPS article/topic. fgnievinski (talk) 03:45, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Categories: