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	Look, obviously biased POV pushing full time editor. It's highly disruptive to perpetually run off editors as you have been doing for years and years on end.		Look, obviously biased POV pushing full time editor. It's highly disruptive to perpetually run off editors as you have been doing for years and years on end.
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			Judging by your contributions? What 500,000 POV pushing edits and counting? You should be the last editor on planet earth repeatedly and endlessly using the words stupid, biased, idiotic etc.....
			The way it is supposed to be is a NPOV encyclopedia, not full time POV pushing shills and spinbots derogatorily running off anything that comes in their way. The material you removed is impeccably sourced, encyclopedic, not synth your latest go to deletion card, relevant and certainly buying a local election is not undue.

	== There is not section of controversies around Soros? ==		== There is not section of controversies around Soros? ==

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Needs NPOV tag

A very one-sided biography of Soros. I cannot affix an NPOV tag to the page as I am not registered (I do not wish to be). Soros is a highly controversial figure (and not just on the far right as some Wikipedians claim.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.76.186.108 (talk) 11:11, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

I agree. This reads like an authorized biography and is very one sided. I do question the neutrality. Gathering info to add a "controversies" or "criticisms" section. Paulthemonk (talk) 22:33, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Currently, there is an "unbalanced" tag to the article. Something's clearly wrong with this article and its content. Zakawer (talk) 17:39, 25 April 2017 (UTC)

I agree; I was puzzled when I read the article because it seemed so polished, almost admiring him, when his actions are in fact highly controversial, even amoral according to himself (source: interview with him, <removed - WP:BLP applies to talk pages>. --Jhertel (talk) 15:21, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Look, I don't know what kind of info you think would make this article "neutral". But this is a WP:BLP which means any criticisms have to be impecabbly sourced. And judging by past edits to this article, as well as that youtube video linked by Jhertel, it seems like your complaint that the usual idiotic conspiracy theories and attacks haven't been allowed into the article. That's actually the way it's suppose to be.Volunteer Marek (talk) 15:32, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Look, obviously biased POV pushing full time editor. It's highly disruptive to perpetually run off editors as you have been doing for years and years on end. There is nothing undue about Soros buying a local election. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.224.251.239 (talk) 08:11, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Judging by your contributions? What 500,000 POV pushing edits and counting? You should be the last editor on planet earth repeatedly and endlessly using the words stupid, biased, idiotic etc..... The way it is supposed to be is a NPOV encyclopedia, not full time POV pushing shills and spinbots derogatorily running off anything that comes in their way. The material you removed is impeccably sourced, encyclopedic, not synth your latest go to deletion card, relevant and certainly buying a local election is not undue.

There is not section of controversies around Soros?

There are tensions and controversies around Soros, both in US and in Europe. He has been involved in some ruthless investment and shorting practices thats brought whole countries' economies down. Why isn't there a well sourced section on these topics. This article reads more like an authorized biography than a neutral fact rich article. I am considering adding the section and am gathering material reliable source.

Paulthemonk (talk) 22:28, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

@Paulthemonk: See WP:CSECTION for recommended practices. --NeilN 23:00, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

@NeilN: I agree that "An article dedicated to negative criticism of a topic is usually discouraged". This is referring to an "article" that written "dedicated" to criticism and that is not what I am asking. Leaving out very prominent and sustaining criticisms of the subject seems to be pushing a view point as well. I am asking for reflection of all aspects of the subject. ex: A search through Donald Trump's article mentions about 10 "controversies", there is only one on this page and that is about another person. Q: Are you implying this article is complete? What approach would you suggest? Thank you Paulthemonk (talk) 23:42, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

@Paulthemonk: Please read the second paragraph of WP:CSECTION which is the main focus of that section. Specifically, "best practice is to incorporate positive and negative material into the same section". If notable criticisms are missing, add them to the appropriate section. --NeilN 23:48, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Mats33, what specific viewpoints do you think are missing? --NeilN 13:38, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

I removed the biased-tag. I just don't see what's missing. Perhaps if people wrote down a list of what's missing on this page, we can work on it. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 13:53, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

I re-added the tag because I see it as being adequate. Soros is accused of giving money to a bunch of radical left organizations seeking to implement globalism and other stuff. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's definitely something that should be in the article. In other words, Soros is the left-wing version of the Koch brothers. Holy Goo (talk) 15:29, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

You'll need to be more specific than "giving money to a bunch of radical left organizations seeking to implement globalism and other stuff." Smallbones_(smalltalk) 15:38, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

I expanded the article and added a source. I will edit more later. Holy Goo (talk) 16:54, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

The poll you added in this edit is extremely one-sided. Human Events is a conservative website and the poll was conducted there and likely only gathered the opinions of regular site visitors who share the site's views. If this poll is to be used at all, it should mention that it sampled the readers of Human Events, instead of leading the reader to believe it was an unbiased poll among a wide variety of people. But it shouldn't be used and certainly not in the lead. As an online poll, it's worthless for gauging actual opinion. It asks a leading question, and we have no idea what the sample size was or if they controlled for repeat votes. This is a biography of a living person, so we need much better sources than this. clpo13_(talk) 17:07, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

Other editor made more clear that it is the opinion of a closed group of people. This kind of information is important to make the article less biased. The template on top can soon be removed. Holy Goo (talk) 18:18, 24 April 2017 (UTC)

I think some editors own comments (" Soros is accused of giving money to a bunch of radical left organizations seeking to implement globalism and other stuff. I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory, but it's definitely something that should be in the article. In other words, Soros is the left-wing version of the Koch brothers") provide all the justification for removing the spurious tag we need.Volunteer Marek (talk) 15:33, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

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in the first paragraph it says that George Soros escape Nazi-occupied Hungary. This is ABSOLUTLEY INACCURATE. Hungary joined forces with the Nazi regime in 1941. George Soros evaded the wrath of the Nazi's, but Wikepedia does not say how. George Soros joined the Deutsche Nationale Sozialistiche Partei in 1941 as a member of the Schutz-Staffel, aka the "SS." Please correct these historical facts. 72.216.0.16 (talk) 18:09, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

This template is for requesting specific edits of the form "please change X to Y". You haven't provided sources for your claims, either. In particular, I find it hard to believe that Soros would have joined the SS at the age of 11. You might also want to read the section titled "Early life and education", which expands on Soros's life in occupied Hungary. clpo13_(talk) 18:29, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Though way off base in most of the comment, this did point out one minor inaccuracy. Soros did not "escape" the 1944 Nazi occupation (as in fleeing to another place). He survived it (in place). It was especially confusing in that it might be said that he escaped the Soviet occupation in 1947, except that (if I remember the bios correctly) it was not a secret flight that "escape" might suggest, but a regular border crossing. In any case I changed "escaped Nazi-occupied Hungary" to "survived Nazi-occupied Hungary." Smallbones_(smalltalk) 19:18, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

BTW, I think the "biased-tag" should be removed unless there are specific concerns brought up on this page. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 19:20, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Could somebody check this edit. Kicker Aha changed it back to "Born in Budapest, he escaped Nazi Germany-occupied Hungary and emigrated to England in 1947. " saying that "escaped" is less ambiguous. I don't see it that way at all (please read two paragraphs above). "Escaped" can be confusing in 2 ways in this sentence. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 03:30, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Articles that might be of use..

... To expand the article...

The dirty tricks that demonise George Soros. By Nick Cohen.

George Soros Has Paid for His Opinions on Donald Trump and His Performance as President. (a lot about the Trump vs Soros stuff and which organisations he has backed recently, around the presidential election, among them 56 womens marches)

--Mats33 (talk) 23:01, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

The intro was way too long...

... And talking about things in detail that the intro shouldnt go to details with. Thats why I deleted a large part. Everything about his studies etc can still be read under that headline.--Mats33 (talk) 17:15, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

I fully agree with you, except your deletion of the content from the lead section has resulted in citation errors below the lead section because you removed some sources that are referenced below the lead section. May I respectfully suggest that you re-add those references to their proper locations somewhere below the lead section, then remove the text from the lead section. Thanks, Ijon Tichy (talk) 21:37, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

I dont know how to do that. So its better that you do it. If you agree that the intro shouldnt be the same long text as the MAIN text. --Mats33 (talk) 10:13, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

Inappropriate tone

The authors of this article seem to have responded to the presence of conspiracy-minded idiots trying to trash Soros' reputation by overcompensating in the other direction. It comes across as praising Soros in a fawning and decidedly non-neutral way. Pauldelwynbates (talk) 04:10, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

I agree. The article is, in my view, too positive and the criticism should get a somewhat larger share of the text. --Mats33 (talk) 10:17, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

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Still too long intro...

Soros is a philantrop/good guy... Born in Budapest... Bla bla bla Bla bla bla ... his hometown...

In my view still too long. Of course he studied somewhere. Of course he gives money to liberal movements. Of course we can give numbers indicating that he is very rich. But details on that dont need to be in the intro/summary.--Mats33 (talk) 20:54, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

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